Divorce Your Car --and get into a relationship with a Bike!
donquijote1954
our automobiles. There is help, you can Divorce Your Car, if you are so
bold. Heck, you could save $30,000 over the next five years ($6000 per
year)."
Yep, just like you deserve to be free from a bad marriage (tell me
about it), you deserve to be free from the enslavement of the
automibile. Well, then you can get into a hot romance with a red (or
whatever color you like) bike or recumbent. They are simply cool as
well as more troublefree and cheaper. And they'll give you a nice
attention-getter physique wich is bound to end in a torrid affair
(unlike an SUV with tinted windows meant to hide a short fat man).
Anyway, whatever your reasons, don't tell you wife... ;)
Cars: True Cost of Ownership
Gasoline is $3.11 per gallon in Port Townsend this week (unleaded
plus). Some feel this is expensive, but gas prices in the USA are cheap
compared to the rest of the world where upwards of $6 per gallon is
more the norm. If your car gets 20 mpg, you currently have to pay
$2300+ for a years (15K miles) worth of gas (per car) - such a deal.
http://ptslacker.blogspot.com/2006/04/cars-true-cost-of-ownership.html
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george conklin
"donquijote1954" <nolionn...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Too bad our economy rolls on four wheels. Many of us are enslaved to
> our automobiles.
Many of us are enslaved to our wives too, but that does not mean we want
a divorce. Both are necessary for a normal life.
Bill Sornson
Wow. So much wrong in so few words. Brava!
Tom The Great
<<SNIP>>
First Windmills, now cars. Guess they offer more sport.
:p
later,
tom
Pat
I think you are somewhat city-o-centric. Maybe you can "live" without
a car and have fun on a bike, but not everyone can. I can't. My city
is under 5,000 people with most of it on an Indian Reservation. We're
20 miles from almost anything. You may have fun on your bike, but in
my community there's no place that sells bikes, or tires, or tubes or
anything you would need. We could come up with the compressed air, but
that's about it.
I work out of my house. When I travel, sometimes the meetings are 350
miles away. Sort of tough on a bike -- esp. if you want to make it a
day trip. Oh, did I mention a nearly complete lack of public
transportation. Could take Trailways north and then go to the meeting.
I should get there sometime, I guess.
I am not arguing that most people don't need SUVs or such, but out
here, you pretty much need a car.
Glad to see a post in this group. It's been dead lately. But please
don't try to impose your view on others and tell us what we need when
you have no idea. You and I live in a different world.
One last example for you to think about. What if you went hunting and
got a deer. How would you bring it back to your house on a bike? 10
miles on dirt roads pulling a deer on your recumbant? It's be fun to
see.
Oh, did I mention snow storms. I can't imaging a bike on 6" of
unplowed snow on a packed snow base when it's -20F and windy. Those
car heaters sure come in handy then.
John S.
commuting by bike.
Take the average commuter that lives 20 miles from work. To make an
8-4 work schedule that commuter will have to get up at 4:00 to begin
riding at 5:00 to arrive at work by 8:00. The commuter then does the
same in reverse and arrives home at 7:00 The times assume he is able
to find a lot of flat and downhill both ways with few traffic and
stoplights.
Incremental cost: New bike every year plus repairs $2,000; Medical
expenses from road injuries $2,000
When it snows, or rains the commuter is either off work and not paid
because he cant make it in, or he is forced to get a hotel room close
to work because he can't ride home in inclement weather.
Incremental cost: Lost wages $5,000; Hotel rooms $1,000
Tiring of those exceedingly long riding days and days missed with no
pay the commuter decides to shorten his commute by moving closer.
After some research he determines that to reduce his commuting distance
by half he will have to pay twice as much for the same house because he
is much closer to the big city now.
Incremental Cost: $200,000
The commuter works in sales and he is asked to make a presentation to
two potential clients, one located 90 miles south on the coast and the
other 45 miles west in the mountains. The commuter presents his boss
with the proposed 6 day ride to cover both potential customers and is
promptly fired.
Incremental cost: Annual salary $100,000
Before the commuter has a chance to shorten his ride, his wife sues for
divorce because he is gone so long from home that she became lonely and
had an affair with the cable tv repairman.
Incremental cost: Alimony and child support for the next 20 years.
Pat
MY wife would probably like it if I was gone more ....
>
> Incremental cost: Alimony and child support for the next 20 years.
Yeah, but if she's sleeping around with the cable guy, the the divorce
probably goes in the "plus" column, not the minus.
>
>
And interesting and incomplete analysis. You forgot something. How do
you (or your teenager) make out on the back seat of a bike.
marian.r...@gmail.com
John S. wrote:
> An interesting but very incomplete analysis of the true costs of
> commuting by bike.
>
> Take the average commuter that lives 20 miles from work. To make an
> 8-4 work schedule that commuter will have to get up at 4:00 to begin
> riding at 5:00 to arrive at work by 8:00. The commuter then does the
> same in reverse and arrives home at 7:00 The times assume he is able
> to find a lot of flat and downhill both ways with few traffic and
> stoplights.
3 hours to go 20 miles??
I could go faster than that riding a single speed steel city-bike with
balloon tires when I lived on the North China Plain. That was coming
at a time when I still walked with a cane.
I have managed a 20 mile hour but there wasn't much uphill and I did
have a paceline helping me for the first 8 miles.
> Incremental cost: New bike every year plus repairs $2,000; Medical
> expenses from road injuries $2,000
Why would you need to get a new bike every year?
A perfectly acceptable race bike (not commuter bike) doesn't run $2000
a year in repairs and replacements.
And if you are riding to work that much why would you possibly be
falling off enough to hurt yourself that much? $50 in repairs and
medical bills is usually considered to be a major bicycle accident and
most bicyclists don't have major accidents very often (barring mountain
bikers who go out of their way to have major accidents and who are
generally very proud of how they managed to do it).
> When it snows, or rains the commuter is either off work and not paid
> because he cant make it in, or he is forced to get a hotel room close
> to work because he can't ride home in inclement weather.
>
> Incremental cost: Lost wages $5,000; Hotel rooms $1,000
I guess you haven't heard of a poncho, a jacket, boots, or other
articles of winter clothing. I guess you also haven't heard of
carpooling, mass transit, or using the car that most of us still have
but aren't using for ordinary short trips.
> Tiring of those exceedingly long riding days and days missed with no
<snip>
I guess I should have read the rest of this before starting to respond.
You really have no idea of the reality of bike riding do you?
-M
David Kerber
hjs...@cs.com says...
> An interesting but very incomplete analysis of the true costs of
> commuting by bike.
Inaccurate, too. See below...
>
> Take the average commuter that lives 20 miles from work. To make an
> 8-4 work schedule that commuter will have to get up at 4:00 to begin
> riding at 5:00 to arrive at work by 8:00. The commuter then does the
> same in reverse and arrives home at 7:00 The times assume he is able
> to find a lot of flat and downhill both ways with few traffic and
> stoplights.
3 hours for 20 miles? Even at a "no sweating allowed" speed, that would
only take me 2 hours. More typical speeds would be 90 - 100 minutes.
>
> Incremental cost: New bike every year plus repairs $2,000; Medical
> expenses from road injuries $2,000
Why a new bike every year? I've put more miles that on my bike every
year for the last 3 years, and it still runs like new. Only needed 1
set of new tires, chain and cassette, for a total of about $200 over
that time. And medical expenses would likely go down, not up: I haven't
had a cold since I started riding all year around 3 years ago (I'm not
claiming it's cause-and-effect, but it's still true), and it didn't cost
much to buy band-aids for the 1 case of road-rash I got last year (and
that was in my one race I entered last year, not commuting or riding for
recreation).
> When it snows, or rains the commuter is either off work and not paid
> because he cant make it in, or he is forced to get a hotel room close
> to work because he can't ride home in inclement weather.
How about just working from home? It's an option for many IT people.
Or keep a car around for just such emergencies. It doesn't cost much to
run, repair and insure a car which is only driven 3000 miles per year.
>
> Incremental cost: Lost wages $5,000; Hotel rooms $1,000
>
> Tiring of those exceedingly long riding days and days missed with no
> pay the commuter decides to shorten his commute by moving closer.
> After some research he determines that to reduce his commuting distance
> by half he will have to pay twice as much for the same house because he
> is much closer to the big city now.
What big city? The one I live in is bigger than the one I work in.
>
> Incremental Cost: $200,000
>
> The commuter works in sales and he is asked to make a presentation to
> two potential clients, one located 90 miles south on the coast and the
> other 45 miles west in the mountains. The commuter presents his boss
> with the proposed 6 day ride to cover both potential customers and is
> promptly fired.
Another good reason for an emergency car. Or rent one if the beater you
drive in bad weather isn't appropriate for going to a sales
presentation.
>
> Incremental cost: Annual salary $100,000
>
> Before the commuter has a chance to shorten his ride, his wife sues for
> divorce because he is gone so long from home that she became lonely and
> had an affair with the cable tv repairman.
>
> Incremental cost: Alimony and child support for the next 20 years.
If it's the wife who has the affair, then the husband won't be paying
alimony.
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Bob in CT
<ns_dkerber@ns_WarrenRogersAssociates.com> wrote:
> In article <1153157343....@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
> hjs...@cs.com says...
>> An interesting but very incomplete analysis of the true costs of
>> commuting by bike.
>
> Inaccurate, too. See below...
>
>>
>> Take the average commuter that lives 20 miles from work. To make an
>> 8-4 work schedule that commuter will have to get up at 4:00 to begin
>> riding at 5:00 to arrive at work by 8:00. The commuter then does the
>> same in reverse and arrives home at 7:00 The times assume he is able
>> to find a lot of flat and downhill both ways with few traffic and
>> stoplights.
>
> 3 hours for 20 miles? Even at a "no sweating allowed" speed, that would
> only take me 2 hours. More typical speeds would be 90 - 100 minutes.
It takes me 1.5 hours to ride 17 miles, with tons of sweating and really
large hills. I only ride one way (17 miles) to work or from work, but I
don't ride in and then home -- I don't think I could do it right now. In
AZ, however, I could ride much faster because it was flat. 17 miles would
take me around an hour, depending on how many traffic lights I had to sit
through.
The rest of this was too funny to respond.
--
Bob in CT
David Kerber
says...
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:06:38 -0400, David Kerber
> <ns_dkerber@ns_WarrenRogersAssociates.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <1153157343....@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
> > hjs...@cs.com says...
> >> An interesting but very incomplete analysis of the true costs of
> >> commuting by bike.
> >
> > Inaccurate, too. See below...
> >
> >>
> >> Take the average commuter that lives 20 miles from work. To make an
> >> 8-4 work schedule that commuter will have to get up at 4:00 to begin
> >> riding at 5:00 to arrive at work by 8:00. The commuter then does the
> >> same in reverse and arrives home at 7:00 The times assume he is able
> >> to find a lot of flat and downhill both ways with few traffic and
> >> stoplights.
> >
> > 3 hours for 20 miles? Even at a "no sweating allowed" speed, that would
> > only take me 2 hours. More typical speeds would be 90 - 100 minutes.
>
> It takes me 1.5 hours to ride 17 miles, with tons of sweating and really
> large hills. I only ride one way (17 miles) to work or from work, but I
I don't have much in the way of hills on my route; only 3 worthy of the
name.
> don't ride in and then home -- I don't think I could do it right now. In
> AZ, however, I could ride much faster because it was flat. 17 miles would
> take me around an hour, depending on how many traffic lights I had to sit
> through.
>
>
> The rest of this was too funny to respond.
Yeah, he started off with some reasonable arguments (though with serious
exaggerations), but then got off into a fantasy world.
george conklin
"Pat" <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
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>
> One last example for you to think about. What if you went hunting and
> got a deer. How would you bring it back to your house on a bike?
He would cut it up into 132 pieces, eat 10, and bring the rest home 3 at
a time.
george conklin
"John S." <hjs...@cs.com> wrote in message
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Nah, just make your wife ride with you for her health!!!!
Brent P
> Oh, did I mention snow storms. I can't imaging a bike on 6" of
> unplowed snow on a packed snow base when it's -20F and windy. Those
> car heaters sure come in handy then.
In an urban environment, if there is 6 inches of snow on the ground you
have a better chance of getting where you are going with the bicycle or
with snow shoes for that matter..... Not because there aren't motor
vehicles that could handle those conditions, but because the roads would
be stop and stop gridlock with the drivers who cannot.
Arif Khokar
> An interesting but very incomplete analysis of the true costs of
> commuting by bike.
>
> Take the average commuter that lives 20 miles from work. To make an
> 8-4 work schedule that commuter will have to get up at 4:00 to begin
> riding at 5:00 to arrive at work by 8:00.
Are you saying you can only average 6 to 7 mph on a bike? I'm not very
fast, but I can average 15 mph on a bike. That means I can make the
commute in about 80 minutes give or take.
> Incremental cost: New bike every year plus repairs $2,000
Properly maintaining a good quality bike will cost far less than $2000
per year. The bike will last quite a bit longer than a year as well.
Dave Head
wrote:
>John S. wrote:
>> An interesting but very incomplete analysis of the true costs of
>> commuting by bike.
>>
>> Take the average commuter that lives 20 miles from work. To make an
>> 8-4 work schedule that commuter will have to get up at 4:00 to begin
>> riding at 5:00 to arrive at work by 8:00.
>
>Are you saying you can only average 6 to 7 mph on a bike? I'm not very
>fast, but I can average 15 mph on a bike. That means I can make the
>commute in about 80 minutes give or take.
Try 20 miles each way in Virginia today. 100 degrees out there.
>
>> Incremental cost: New bike every year plus repairs $2,000
>
>Properly maintaining a good quality bike will cost far less than $2000
>per year. The bike will last quite a bit longer than a year as well.
And maybe an expensive ride to the emergency room for heat exhaustion.
Dave Head
Pat
... but the premise was "divorce your car", sort of like divorce your
wife. The problem with the comparision is that in most states, you
have an "emergency wife" or rent one if you need one. And while it's
always good to rent your car using a credit card, it's probably a bad
idea if you are renting a "wife" for the evening.
Tom Keats
"marian.r...@gmail.com" <marian.r...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> John S. wrote:
>> An interesting but very incomplete analysis of the true costs of
>> commuting by bike.
>>
>> Take the average commuter that lives 20 miles from work. To make an
>> 8-4 work schedule that commuter will have to get up at 4:00 to begin
>> riding at 5:00 to arrive at work by 8:00. The commuter then does the
>> same in reverse and arrives home at 7:00 The times assume he is able
>> to find a lot of flat and downhill both ways with few traffic and
>> stoplights.
>
> 3 hours to go 20 miles??
When I ride to work (10 downhill & flat miles,) I like to give
myself an extra hour or so in case of flats or mechanicals
(haven't had anything like that happen yet, though,) and some
dilly-dally time for a pit stop at McD's if I feel like it.
I'm also that eager to ride. So I just get to work an hour early.
That gives me a chance for an extra cup of coffee, and to chum
around with my co-workers.
cheers,
Tom
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Brent P
> Take the average commuter that lives 20 miles from work. To make an
> 8-4 work schedule that commuter will have to get up at 4:00 to begin
> riding at 5:00 to arrive at work by 8:00. The commuter then does the
> same in reverse and arrives home at 7:00 The times assume he is able
> to find a lot of flat and downhill both ways with few traffic and
> stoplights.
You're nuts. My last job was 6 miles away. Time by car or bicycle was
about equal. 17-20minutes by bicycle. 15-20 minutes by car. New job is 9
miles away, have to take a different route by bicycle. It takes
35minutes by bicycle, 25 minutes by car. About 5 minutes less for each
coming back. Even if I had to go 20miles, I would still make it there in
an hour if I faced stop lights every 1/2-3/4 of mile or so on average.
Fewer lights and stop signs means reduced travel time.
> Incremental cost: New bike every year plus repairs $2,000; Medical
> expenses from road injuries $2,000
I have been riding since I was about 5 years old. I've been riding for 30
years. I can count injuries that needed banages on one hand. I think I've
spent $5 on them if that. Since 1982 I have had 3 bicycles. They cost
$150, $380, and $1200 in that order. I have yet to spend $2000 in
repairs. In fact, if you added everything I've ever spent on bicycles
together in the last 24 years, it probably wouldn't make $2000. Hell, my
second bicycle, when it was worn out I ordered the one I ride now.
However I needed to make a repair to keep riding the old one. The new
parts cost me the huge sum of SIX dollars.
> When it snows, or rains the commuter is either off work and not paid
> because he cant make it in, or he is forced to get a hotel room close
> to work because he can't ride home in inclement weather.
Who said one has to use a bicycle _every_ day?
The rest just goes off the deep end....
Brent P
> Try 20 miles each way in Virginia today. 100 degrees out there.
I just did 10 in chicago's similiar heat. I could probably do more. I
remember going out for a ride one hot afternoon and noticed nobody was
out. Nobody on the roads or on the bike trails... it was nice. I forget
how many miles I rode, probably 20 or so.... came back home, turned on
the TV and heard about people in the town droping over from the heat at a
little league game... The heat doesn't really bother me that much when I
ride. Now if I am sitting in a lot of traffic, then it gets irritating.
Pat
up about. Happens all the time. Buffalo gets some, but Rochester and
Syracuse get piled on. Figure 10 FEET per year and about 30" per year.
Lot of northern cities gets lots of snow -- and I would guess lots of
cities in the Rockies do to.
The city I live in got just under 100" last year.
6" of snow isn't all the much and drivers know how to handle it. It
doesn't cause gridlock. It doesn't even cause schools to be closed.
Things slow down a bit, but that's a good thing. A 6" storm doesn't
have much effect on an expressway at all unless the snowfall is coming
down hard -- maybe over an inch an hour. That, mixed with wind, can
cause localized whiteouts which are dangerous.
Biking on packed snow -- especially snow over packed snow -- is very
tricky because the tires aren't formulated for it. The rubber is too
hard. Also, at 100 psi, you don't have enough contact with the ground.
So bikes and motorcycles go away when the snow starts.
FYI, snowshoes are about useless with 6" of snow. You really need a
foot or more to make then worth wearing -- and then only if it's virgin
snow. They don't do anything on packed snow.
Brent P
> Welcome to Western New York. 6" of snow isn't worth getting all wound
> up about. Happens all the time.
But does traffic actually move faster than a bicycle? In chicago it
doesn't when 6 inches is on the ground.
> 6" of snow isn't all the much and drivers know how to handle it. It
> doesn't cause gridlock. It doesn't even cause schools to be closed.
It doesn't cause schools to be closed here either... but there are more
than enough morons and transplants driving to screw up the roads big
time. I don't have a problem driving in snow, I have a problem driving
around in snow with other people.
> Biking on packed snow -- especially snow over packed snow -- is very
> tricky because the tires aren't formulated for it. The rubber is too
> hard. Also, at 100 psi, you don't have enough contact with the ground.
> So bikes and motorcycles go away when the snow starts.
I've ridden on ice BTW.... I ride in snow at least once a year. It's a
bit a tricky... the bad thing is the brakes becoming useless with the
snow/water/ice on the rims.
> FYI, snowshoes are about useless with 6" of snow. You really need a
> foot or more to make then worth wearing -- and then only if it's virgin
> snow. They don't do anything on packed snow.
The person I was replying too said fresh 6" on top of snow already there.
Arif Khokar
>> Are you saying you can only average 6 to 7 mph on a bike? I'm not very
>> fast, but I can average 15 mph on a bike. That means I can make the
>> commute in about 80 minutes give or take.
> Try 20 miles each way in Virginia today. 100 degrees out there.
It was 90 degrees here, but I still rode 25 miles. I'd ride further,
but I really don't have the time on weekdays.
> And maybe an expensive ride to the emergency room for heat exhaustion.
I just keep up with fluid intake.
Arif Khokar
> The heat doesn't really bother me that much when I
> ride. Now if I am sitting in a lot of traffic, then it gets irritating.
I only really start to notice it if I'm stopped, or slowly going uphill
(much more so for the latter).
Jack May
"donquijote1954" <nolionn...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> well as more troublefree and cheaper.
Too expensive in the cost of time. Very few people can afford to use a
bike.
Jack May
>
> And interesting and incomplete analysis. You forgot something. How do
> you (or your teenager) make out on the back seat of a bike.
That is evolution in action. Weeding out the failures in society like
donquijote1954
brink
"Arif Khokar" <akhok...@wvu.edu> wrote in message
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My bike has an IV drip attachment for days like today. Mainline Gatorade
and you're good to go.
brink
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taxes $300, state sticker $156, inspection sticker $36, tires $400,
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ebike does 30 MPH so does the Taurus after I put gas in it.
Bill
that all 48 states had temperatures topping the 90's and that it was
supposed to be hotter here tomorrow. 115? Enough. I worked on 3 bikes in
the morning until about 10 then went to take them all for a test ride
and came back sweaty. It was already 92 by 10, and passed 100 at about
12:30 and was still 84 at 11 tonight. I may have to become a night time
rider.
As for the topic, I use a car with A/C to go to my LBS, wonder why.
Bill Baka
george conklin
> Welcome to Western New York. 6" of snow isn't worth getting all wound
> up about. Happens all the time. Buffalo gets some, but Rochester and
> Syracuse get piled on. Figure 10 FEET per year and about 30" per year.
> Lot of northern cities gets lots of snow -- and I would guess lots of
> cities in the Rockies do to.
>
Even the school buses in Syracuse run through 6" of snow without thinking
about it. Our children sometimes would even lose their boots in snow drifts
on the way home from school. My wife went out and looked in each step
depression to retrieve their shoes.
george conklin
"Arif Khokar" <guyinc...@techemail.com> wrote in message
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> John S. wrote:
>> An interesting but very incomplete analysis of the true costs of
>> commuting by bike.
>>
>> Take the average commuter that lives 20 miles from work. To make an
>> 8-4 work schedule that commuter will have to get up at 4:00 to begin
>> riding at 5:00 to arrive at work by 8:00.
>
What? The Tour de France averages 25 mph. Why can't we all do that?
george conklin
>> On 17 Jul 2006 15:14:50 -0700, "Arif Khokar" <guyinc...@techemail.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>> Are you saying you can only average 6 to 7 mph on a bike? I'm not very
>>> fast, but I can average 15 mph on a bike. That means I can make the
>>> commute in about 80 minutes give or take.
>
>> Try 20 miles each way in Virginia today. 100 degrees out there.
>
> It was 90 degrees here, but I still rode 25 miles.
Barefoot too?
dgk
>An interesting but very incomplete analysis of the true costs of
>commuting by bike.
>
>Take the average commuter that lives 20 miles from work. To make an
>8-4 work schedule that commuter will have to get up at 4:00 to begin
>riding at 5:00 to arrive at work by 8:00. The commuter then does the
>same in reverse and arrives home at 7:00 The times assume he is able
>to find a lot of flat and downhill both ways with few traffic and
>stoplights.
>
>Incremental cost: New bike every year plus repairs $2,000; Medical
>expenses from road injuries $2,000
My $300 Trek 7100 is going on its fourth year, around 14,000 miles.
I've paid about $300 over the years on various tuneups but flats and
chains I handle myself. Not medical expenses.
On days when weather is just too awful to commute by bike, I take a
bus and train.
My commute is 15 miles each way. It takes me, and I'm slow, 80 minutes
each way. I do not, at the conclusion of my ride home, need to go to
the gym. In fact, my cholesterol and ldl, which used to be very bad,
are now excellent. The good HDL, previously low, is now excellent. My
doctor freaked on my first exam after starting biking. Cost of heart
attack, well, I'll hopefully never know.
I don't need to make presentations at clients, but if I do, my company
will arrange transportation.
Brent P
> What? The Tour de France averages 25 mph. Why can't we all do that?
It's not difficult to average in the 20s with out stoplights on flat
ground with a decent bike. However, you might have noticed the mountains
in the Tour de France... It would be just as valid to compare NASCAR,
IRL, and pikes peak hill climb to regular commute driving.
Pat
Brent P wrote:
> In article <1153190599.2...@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, Pat wrote:
> > Welcome to Western New York. 6" of snow isn't worth getting all wound
> > up about. Happens all the time.
>
But does traffic actually move faster than a bicycle? In chicago it
doesn't when 6 inches is on the ground.
I colleage from Westchester was in Syracuse and dreaded leaving an
office at 5:00 to head towards home. He didn't want to sit in traffic.
I told him not to worry about Syracuse's Rush Quarter-Hour.
Seldom to these places have traffic tie-up that would have a bike going
faster than a car. A big part of that is because "no one" lives in
those cities anymore. Everyone uses the expressway and commutes. So
the only tie up is on the way to the on-ramp.
Pat
Yeah, I bet you'll feel strange when, year from now, you are laying in
the hospital dying from nothing. :-)
trino
My only bike for 4-5 years was a Nishiki. cost me $10 at a yard sale. Took
me on 50 mile trips occasionally. I went everywhere on a bike only, no
vehicle ever. Cost some tires and a hub, needed acessories, essentially
nothing spectacular like you are trying to assume. Oh yeah and I commuted
every day all year on that bike for work no exceptions.
donquijote1954
george conklin wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <nolionn...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153146927.6...@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > our automobiles.
>
> a divorce. Both are necessary for a normal life.
Just don't leave her. Simply have an affair with the bike. ;)
donquijote1954
Bill Sornson wrote:
> george conklin wrote:
> > "donquijote1954" <nolionn...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1153146927.6...@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> >> "Too bad our economy rolls on four wheels. Many of us are enslaved to
> >> our automobiles.
> >
> > Many of us are enslaved to our wives too, but that does not mean we
> > want a divorce. Both are necessary for a normal life.
>
Well, at least he doesn't accept the leash!
donquijote1954
Pat wrote:
> Glad to see a post in this group. It's been dead lately. But please
> don't try to impose your view on others and tell us what we need when
> you have no idea. You and I live in a different world.
I see. Why don't YOU come up with a bicycle store?
>
> One last example for you to think about. What if you went hunting and
> got a deer. How would you bring it back to your house on a bike? 10
> miles on dirt roads pulling a deer on your recumbant? It's be fun to
> see.
How about asking the indians around how they managed in the
good-ol'-fashoned way? It would be fun too.
>
> Oh, did I mention snow storms. I can't imaging a bike on 6" of
> unplowed snow on a packed snow base when it's -20F and windy. Those
> car heaters sure come in handy then.
OK, just use it in the mild seasons. When there's a will, there's a
bicycle, you know.
Brent P
>> But does traffic actually move faster than a bicycle? In chicago it
>> doesn't when 6 inches is on the ground.
> I colleage from Westchester was in Syracuse and dreaded leaving an
> office at 5:00 to head towards home. He didn't want to sit in traffic.
> I told him not to worry about Syracuse's Rush Quarter-Hour.
> Seldom to these places have traffic tie-up that would have a bike going
> faster than a car. A big part of that is because "no one" lives in
> those cities anymore. Everyone uses the expressway and commutes. So
> the only tie up is on the way to the on-ramp.
Am rutinely in traffic that is slower than I ride, driving or bicycling.
This morning a traffic light defaulted to a stop sign. Huge backup as
drivers don't know wtf to do... I could have biked to work faster using
the back roads with nothing but stop signs. Trouble was I was I was past
the point of no return before I saw the backup thanks to the way the
roads are designed.
donquijote1954
John S. wrote:
> Before the commuter has a chance to shorten his ride, his wife sues for
> divorce because he is gone so long from home that she became lonely and
> had an affair with the cable tv repairman.
Isn't that what you wanted? Then you are free to go out with that sexy
lady you met in the bicycle. And she will save you from a couch potato
life in which you were bound to have a heart attack in 3 years. As for
the alimony, whatever you saved in insurance, you know, consider it a
loss.
donquijote1954
>
> >
> > One last example for you to think about. What if you went hunting and
> > got a deer. How would you bring it back to your house on a bike?
>
> a time.
Either that or simply don't kill the deer. Just set up a trap and then
have him walk with you properly attached with a rope to the back of
your bicycle.
donquijote1954
george conklin wrote:
> >
> > Incremental cost: Alimony and child support for the next 20 years.
>
> Nah, just make your wife ride with you for her health!!!!
OK, that's good --if he doesn't want to get rid of her!
donquijote1954
> And they'll give you a nice
> > attention-getter physique
>
> ever!
Don't blame the bike, blame genetics!
But think how much worse it would be if it weren't for the bike.
donquijote1954
More likely than not they are either afraid, or simply have given much
thought to it. Remember, the sheep follow the herd, and the herd
follows the SUV commercials.
donquijote1954
Don't say that. Just call me the "Black Sheep." You know why they were
expelled???
HOW THE BLACK SHEEP WERE EXPELLED
One day the Lion, who had been thinking how to best eat the sheep,
decided to dress as one of them... This way the common sheep trusted
the new sheep more and more every day, some confessing to him, others
voting for him, and most allowing to be fleeced by him...
Meanwhile, the Black Sheep--who was able to see through
camouflage--thought this way: "If he got big paws and teeth, and takes
the lion's share, lion he is..."
And that's the reason why from then on the Black Sheep weren't allowed
to mingle anymore with the simple and common sheep...
donquijote1954
lbu...@wt.net wrote:
> 1500 miles per gallon @ $3 per gallon of gasoline vs 20 mile charge
> cost 5 cents.
> Electric bikes typically travel at speeds of 10 to 20+ miles per hour
> and go up to 12-20 miles charge. Charging your electric bike for four
> to six hours uses 5 cents worth of electricity from common 110 wall
> outlets. The electric bike power can give you a break from pedaling or
> supply more power when you're going up hill.
> http://www.bicycles-electric-bikes.com/bike_to_work.htm
Oh, I like that. Another advantage of a noiseless electric motor is you
can sneak up on your wife who you know is having an affair with the
cable man.
trino
donquijote1954
lbu...@wt.net wrote:
> I am looking at my 2002 Taurus, I have not driven in months now - cost
> used $8995 plus 8.5 sales tax, insurance before I dive it $1600 year,
> taxes $300, state sticker $156, inspection sticker $36, tires $400,
> battery $90, gas if I drove it 3000 miles $442.50, oil change $39...fix
> parking lot dents / repaint $650 ... and the depreciation of initial
> car cost.
>
> Ebike motor $500 - bike $150 .. changed to better tires $18, lights $28
> - air conditioning included free - ok I am cheap - would rather have
> the 12K I spent on car in my pocket.
> ebike does 30 MPH so does the Taurus after I put gas in it.
You can tell you are in love with the Ebike. I'll like to have an
affair with her too!
donquijote1954
trino wrote:
> >> Too expensive in the cost of time. Very few people can afford to use a
> >> bike.
> >
> > More likely than not they are either afraid, or simply have given much
> > thought to it. Remember, the sheep follow the herd, and the herd
> > follows the SUV commercials.
> >
> How much do you sins cost you?
My sins are on the cheap by now. No tobacco or even alcohol. Cheaper
than confessing my sins and paying 10% of my salary to the church.
trino
I hear you. I should also add we cannot afford not to ride a bike.
The energy crisis has cost millions of innocent lives because people are
stupid enough to go to war to fill their gas tanks.
bicycle_disciple
John S. wrote:
> An interesting but very incomplete analysis of the true costs of
> commuting by bike.
Not as flawed as yours.
> Take the average commuter that lives 20 miles from work. To make an
> 8-4 work schedule that commuter will have to get up at 4:00 to begin
> riding at 5:00 to arrive at work by 8:00. The commuter then does the
> same in reverse and arrives home at 7:00 The times assume he is able
> to find a lot of flat and downhill both ways with few traffic and
> stoplights.
3 hours on your bike for 20 frikkin miles? Thats a speed of 6 miles per
hour!!! Tell you what? You'd do better on foot!
> Incremental cost: New bike every year plus repairs $2,000; Medical
> expenses from road injuries $2,000
What are you Lance Armstrong? Im not harrassing you because of your
speed, but given the fact that you said you take 3 frikkin hours to do
20 miles, and on top of that, you want a new bike every year,...thats
inexcusable!!! Expenses from road injuries?? 2000 dollars worth of
road injuried for 6mph??? What are you, a toddler or something???
> When it snows, or rains the commuter is either off work and not paid
> because he cant make it in, or he is forced to get a hotel room close
> to work because he can't ride home in inclement weather.
Thats when you need a car. Hope you drive faster than you ride a bike!
And jesus, get some clothing man! Now you want to get a hotel room too?
No wonder your wife bonked someone else.
> Incremental cost: Lost wages $5,000; Hotel rooms $1,000
>
> Tiring of those exceedingly long riding days and days missed with no
> pay the commuter decides to shorten his commute by moving closer.
> After some research he determines that to reduce his commuting distance
> by half he will have to pay twice as much for the same house because he
> is much closer to the big city now.
>
> Incremental Cost: $200,000
I will pay twice more in INCREMENTAL EXPENSES to get your brain fixed.
> The commuter works in sales and he is asked to make a presentation to
> two potential clients, one located 90 miles south on the coast and the
> other 45 miles west in the mountains. The commuter presents his boss
> with the proposed 6 day ride to cover both potential customers and is
> promptly fired.
>
> Incremental cost: Annual salary $100,000
If I were your boss, I would fire you...ofcourse....with my rifle!
> Before the commuter has a chance to shorten his ride, his wife sues for
> divorce because he is gone so long from home that she became lonely and
> had an affair with the cable tv repairman.
>
> Incremental cost: Alimony and child support for the next 20 years.
Hopefully the cable tv repairman has more brains than you. Besides,
having your nuts on your saddle for the '6 hours every day' as you
mentioned for god how many months, coupled with all the 2000$ worth of
injuries, I wonder how you pieced youself together to bonk your wife
and get this 'child'.
Being a nice guy, I have forgiven you for your wild fantasies. You need
to work for cartoons.
Bill
what the tower attacks totaled up to be. Solar cells are really not that
expensive to produce, but there has been no competition between giants
like Intel and AMD due to lack of customer interest. Let's hope that
changes soon and the house with out a roof full of solar panels or a
windmill is declared the neighborhood eyesore. That would sure piss of
some of those high and might home owner's associations. My sister lives
in a planned community on the outskirts of Phoenix and she has never
mentioned even one house having any solar panels or water heating thee.
I guess if you can afford the house, you are supposed to afford the
power bill. A / C on an average 115 degree day with maybe 10% humidity
really sucks up the KW/Hr.s
Bill Baka
marian.r...@gmail.com
> >> An interesting but very incomplete analysis of the true costs of
> >> commuting by bike.
> >>
> >> 8-4 work schedule that commuter will have to get up at 4:00 to begin
> >> riding at 5:00 to arrive at work by 8:00.
> >
> >fast, but I can average 15 mph on a bike. That means I can make the
> >commute in about 80 minutes give or take.
>
> Try 20 miles each way in Virginia today. 100 degrees out there.
Just takes a little getting used to.
I'm in Maryland for the summer but I spend most of the year living on
Hainan Island in the South China Sea. If it its only 100 degrees I'm
cool and comfy and still biking.
> >
> >> Incremental cost: New bike every year plus repairs $2,000
> >
> >Properly maintaining a good quality bike will cost far less than $2000
> >per year. The bike will last quite a bit longer than a year as well.
>
> And maybe an expensive ride to the emergency room for heat exhaustion.
Only if you don't drink enough water.
-M
Pat
Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> tetraethylle...@yahoo.com (Brent P) said in
> rec.autos.driving:
>
> >Am rutinely
>
> Sorry, Brent, but I just can't let this pass anymore.
>
> The word is spelled "routinely" - with an 'o' before the 'u'.
> --
> What the heck, I'll play too.
> - Dave
Michael Warner
> Just don't leave her. Simply have an affair with the bike. ;)
Or become a bigamist.
--
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"Michael Warner" <s...@homepage.com> wrote in message
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> On 18 Jul 2006 07:44:55 -0700, donquijote1954 wrote:
>
>> Just don't leave her. Simply have an affair with the bike. ;)
>
> Or become a bigamist.
Or a bikeamist
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> I'm in Maryland for the summer but I spend most of the year living on
> Hainan Island in the South China Sea. If it its only 100 degrees I'm
> cool and comfy and still biking.
Where in MD? I grew up in Silver Spring and lived in the DC area all my
life until moving to CA in '82. (Aaack, it's almost 50-50 now!)
I don't go back often (no family left), but when I do I'm always shocked how
GREEN it is! LoSoCal is /brown/...
Bill "DC & CA: no wonder I'm goofy" S.
george conklin
<marian.r...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Dave Head wrote:
>> On 17 Jul 2006 15:14:50 -0700, "Arif Khokar" <guyinc...@techemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >John S. wrote:
>> >> An interesting but very incomplete analysis of the true costs of
>> >> commuting by bike.
>> >>
>> >> Take the average commuter that lives 20 miles from work. To make an
>> >> 8-4 work schedule that commuter will have to get up at 4:00 to begin
>> >> riding at 5:00 to arrive at work by 8:00.
>> >
>> >Are you saying you can only average 6 to 7 mph on a bike? I'm not very
>> >fast, but I can average 15 mph on a bike. That means I can make the
>> >commute in about 80 minutes give or take.
>>
>> Try 20 miles each way in Virginia today. 100 degrees out there.
>
> Just takes a little getting used to.
>
>
Plus a place to bathe and change your clothes when you get to work.
Actually wash you clothes too.
Peter Cole
>
> Biking on packed snow -- especially snow over packed snow -- is very
> tricky because the tires aren't formulated for it. The rubber is too
> hard.
Not any bike tires I've used. How do you know this? Bike tire rubber
seems softer than car tire rubber.
> Also, at 100 psi, you don't have enough contact with the ground.
> So bikes and motorcycles go away when the snow starts.
You can have as much contact as you want, you can use treaded and even
studded tires. Lots of people ride bikes all winter in snowy climates --
I do.
donquijote1954
"When I was a kid the ice cream man (actually a teenager, but old to us
kids) traveled the neighborhood in my small flat-land town on a three
wheel bike with an ice chest. Two wheels and chest in front, one wheel
in back. It was a factory built looking rig with a row of bells mounted
across the handle bars. No electronic repetitive tune to drive you out
of your skull. The mailman walked to your front door rather than
driving down the curb and all of us kids walked to school except in the
worst of weather. We delivered papers by bike in summer and pulled them
on a sled in the winter. No car routes. What Happened???
Found a picture, they still make them:
http://www.industrialbicycles.com/v-ict.htm"
And now when the Middle East becomes one big ball of fire, the pizza
man will drive something like this...
http://www.industrialbicycles.com/Pizza%20Delivery%20Bicycle.htm
I'm looking forward to it (the man riding the bike).
donquijote1954
trino wrote:
> > My sins are on the cheap by now. No tobacco or even alcohol. Cheaper
> > than confessing my sins and paying 10% of my salary to the church.
> >
>
> I hear you. I should also add we cannot afford not to ride a bike.
> The energy crisis has cost millions of innocent lives because people are
> stupid enough to go to war to fill their gas tanks.
I get you now. You are probably are referring to big fat Americans...
But everything will end when the Middle East becomes one big ball of
fire (see post elsewhere).
donquijote1954
bicycle_disciple wrote:
> What are you Lance Armstrong? Im not harrassing you because of your
> speed, but given the fact that you said you take 3 frikkin hours to do
> 20 miles, and on top of that, you want a new bike every year,...thats
> inexcusable!!! Expenses from road injuries?? 2000 dollars worth of
> road injuried for 6mph??? What are you, a toddler or something???
Either a toddler or a senior citizen with a trike.
donquijote1954
Michael Warner wrote:
> On 18 Jul 2006 07:44:55 -0700, donquijote1954 wrote:
>
> > Just don't leave her. Simply have an affair with the bike. ;)
>
> Or become a bigamist.
A Mormon will be happy.
By the way, I see religous people often driving gas-guzzling SUVs (with
all the mandatory bumber stickers: support our troops, Jesus is on our
side, etc), will they be on the side of Jesus or the Devil's?
donquijote1954
getting one of these...
http://www.sunbicycles.com/sun/recumbents/ez1/ez1.htm
It's not superfast but VERY COMFORTABLE and we can sell the idea to
lazy Americans (you know who you are) who still have a modicum of
concern for the environment AND want to save the buck. Then they can be
healthy as well as say they are working for peace, and truly be in line
with Jesus's lifestyle. Hallelujah!
marian.r...@gmail.com
Baltimore area.
-M
trino
In the South West BC Cambie Cycle has been the recumbent specialist for
decades. fastest recumbents etc
CAMBIE CYCLES - CANADA'S PREMIER RECUMBENT DEALER
http://www.cambiecycles.com/ no pictures as such but several brands offered
including Sunbicycles
trino
"trino" <s8ayqzw...@jetable.com> wrote in message
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I know the store owner used to ride to Seattle every weekend on one like
that. Cool bike.
donquijote1954
trino wrote:
> In the South West BC Cambie Cycle has been the recumbent specialist for
> decades. fastest recumbents etc
> CAMBIE CYCLES - CANADA'S PREMIER RECUMBENT DEALER
> http://www.cambiecycles.com/ no pictures as such but several brands offered
> including Sunbicycles
Yep, and we can sell the idea even better with the windshield since it
makes it look more of a vehicle. I'd pick it over a Ferrari anytime.
Well, you get the idea. ;)
donquijote1954
donquijote1954 wrote:
> (brought from another group)
>
> "When I was a kid the ice cream man (actually a teenager, but old to us
> kids) traveled the neighborhood in my small flat-land town on a three
> wheel bike with an ice chest. Two wheels and chest in front, one wheel
> in back. It was a factory built looking rig with a row of bells mounted
> across the handle bars. No electronic repetitive tune to drive you out
> of your skull. The mailman walked to your front door rather than
> driving down the curb and all of us kids walked to school except in the
> worst of weather. We delivered papers by bike in summer and pulled them
> on a sled in the winter. No car routes. What Happened???
"That's a job American's won't do but Canada won't let the eskimos who
WOULD do the job cross the border. Damn Canucks."
Talking about eskimos, if Big Oil/Detroit can sell Stupid Unnecessary
Vehicles to Americans, we can sell ice to the eskimos.
donquijote1954
trino wrote:
> Look under used bikes for the finest looking recumbent.
> I know the store owner used to ride to Seattle every weekend on one like
> that. Cool bike.
I wanted the EZ-Sport
(http://www.sunbicycles.com/sun/recumbents/ezSport/ezSport.htm) but
it's too big, and must settle for the lowly EZ-1.
Jan Kalin
I had a similar recumbent bike, a Batavus Relaxx
http://home.wxs.nl/~kreul1/relaxx/home.html but I didn't like it very
much. Whilst it is comfortable being able to sit in a relaxed pose and you
can actually exert more force on the pedals than on a normal bike, my legs
got tired sooner than on a normal bike.
The problem, at least on this bike, is that you need to hold your legs
horizontally to pedal. To maximise the force on the pedals the leg needs
to be almost straightened when the pedal is the furthest away from the
body. In that position the thigh muscle has a twin duty: it pushes the
pedal *and* needs to hold your leg horizontally. Now, if there were some
sort of straps on the pedals or if I installed the clips that the racing
bikes have it would help, but the first option is dangerous and the second
option necessitates that you use special shoes just for riding the bike.
It got stolen anyway, so now I'm back to a regular bike.
I see from the web page that the EZ-1 has pedals lower than my ex-bike,
but I'd still suggest that before you buy it you take it out for a spin
and see if what I've described also applies to your future bike.
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donquijote1954
Thank you for the tip. Well, I took it for a spin for a couple of
minutes and... didn't get tired. ;)
But it's probably an issue. However:
a) I got other bikes
b) I ain't spending that much money ($500)
c) I'll see whether the sport is worth it, since I'm sure all
recumbents would present the same problem.
Now I'm riding a comfort bike which I used to hate until I got the Easy
Seat...
http://www.bikemania.biz/Easy_Seat_by_Hobson_p/hobsoneasyseat.htm
And at least the recumbent won't spoil my sex life either!
trino
That is the most unique collection of bicycle seats I have ever seen.
Like the italian in particular.
Sojourner
> have him walk with you properly attached with a rope to the back of
> your bicycle.
More like take you on a wild (but short) ride through the woods...
donquijote1954
Too many wild animals.
Well, our roads are no less wild. By the way, when you go in the
jungle, always carry a banana. Lions are said to eat it, and probably
bears, sharks and other predators (including the ones behind the wheel).
donquijote1954
trino wrote:
> That is the most unique collection of bicycle seats I have ever seen.
> Like the italian in particular.
Dunno what collection you are talking about, but here is a comment on
recumbents which surely got the most comfortable seat...
Recumbents
A Linear recumbent
For many cyclists, the best solution to saddle discomfort is a totally
different style of bicycle, the "recumbent." A recumbent features the
basic position of an easy chair, with the pedals out pretty much
straight in front of the seat (not "saddle".) The seat has a back, like
a chair, which is important, since the rider's weight is not pressing
against the pedals. The seat back provides a purchase so that the rider
can pedal forcefully without sliding backward.
Many people believe that the recumbent is the bicycle of the future,
and they may well be right. Recumbents are significantly more
comfortable than conventional "upright" bikes, and in some ways are
safer.
Unfortunately, recumbents are larger and more awkward to store and
transport than conventional bikes, and, since they are not mass
produced on the same scale, they tend to be substantially more
expensive than comparable uprights.
The recumbent position also complicates the drive train design, so the
mechanical efficiency is frequently less than that of conventional
bikes. This is somewhat offset by the fact that many recumbents are
more ærodynamic than uprights. Unlike the conventional diamond-frame
bicycle, which has evolved and been refined over a period of more than
a hundred years, recumbents are still in an early, immature design
stage. As more and more of them are sold and ridden, the poorer designs
will fall by the wayside, and better features will survive.
For more information on recumbents, check out the International
Human-Powered Vehicle Association (I.H.P.V.A.)
trino
trino wrote:
> That is the most unique collection of bicycle seats I have ever seen.
> Like the italian in particular.
>>Dunno what collection you are talking about, but here is a comment on
recumbents which surely got the most comfortable seat...<< I bet
It was here under saddles. there are three categories,
comfort was the one I was looking at.
Bicycle Saddles
http://www.bikemania.biz/Bicycle_Saddles_s/55.htm
Bill Sornson
Sorry to hear that. <eg>
(Guess the ol' Washington-Baltimore rivalry is still alive in me!)
Bill "only place I ever saw live gun fire on the streets was Baltimore" S.
Chris Foster
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>
> "Arif Khokar" <guyinc...@techemail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153174490.0...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> John S. wrote:
>>> An interesting but very incomplete analysis of the true costs of
>>> commuting by bike.
>>>
>>> Take the average commuter that lives 20 miles from work. To make an
>>> 8-4 work schedule that commuter will have to get up at 4:00 to begin
>>> riding at 5:00 to arrive at work by 8:00.
>>
>
> What? The Tour de France averages 25 mph. Why can't we all do that?
>
>
They also in a huge pack, much easied to ride 25 in the middle of a pack.
They have the Alps and Pirinees (<===Cant Spell)
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Paul O
Hmmm, lets see now... 2006 minus 1982, times two... ;-)
You're only as old as you feel!
Paul D Oosterhout
(from SAIC)
donquijote1954
Good variety. I tried first the sportier seats but it was a pain in the
ass, then the comfort that wouldn't let me pedal, and finally the Easy
Seat, which solved the problem. A bit of sliding forward but I stop it
by keeping my hands firmly on the grip or bar ends.
Bill Sornson
I'm 93?!? Aaack.
> Paul D Oosterhout
> (from SAIC)
Know Lenny Caro?
Mark Hickey
A new bunch of trolls.
Don't feed the troll, folks. I know you think you can out-reason this
one (no doubt true) but it's like the proverb about teaching a pig to
sing.
Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame
Bill
> Bill <larr...@sbcglobal.net> said in rec.autos.driving:
>
>> My sister lives
>> in a planned community on the outskirts of Phoenix and she has never
>> mentioned even one house having any solar panels or water heating thee.
>
> Drive outside of town a bit, where the non-terraformed desert is, and
> you'll see them all over the place. Desert land is cheap, so people
> buy 5-acre lots out in the boonies so far that there is no
> electricity, gas, or city water, so they put up a roof full of solar
> cells, a couple of giant water tanks to collect rainwater that flows
> off the roof, and drill a nice deep well. Believe it or not, some of
> these solar power systems can even run an air conditioner if your
> house has enough insulation.
>
> $30,000 worth of equipment will make you pretty much independent of
> the power grid AND the city water supply.
My sister would love to do it but they already have a crime problem in a
walled community. Too many illegals breaking and entering, even in a
heavily patrolled retirement community. Great idea, but I would put
about a 10,000 volt fence around it and then label it every 5 feet or
so, "Danger, this 10,000 volt fence will kill you if you touch it.",
but only in English. That way the morning cleanup could find the non
English speaking thieves who tried to climb it and steal something.
I know, I am so inhumane.
Sick of illegals, too.
Bill Baka
Chuck Anderson
It is against the posting guidelines that were posted here just this week.
Please remove rec.bicycles.rides from all of these irrelevant threads
(started by PITA trolls, I might add).
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Arif Khokar
Chuck Anderson wrote:
> Please stop cross posting to rec.bicycles.rides.
>
> It is against the posting guidelines that were posted here just this week.
>
> Please remove rec.bicycles.rides from all of these irrelevant threads
> (started by PITA trolls, I might add).
Unfortunately, cross-posting trolls are a part of usenet. The best
thing to do is to kill the thread. Since you apparently post using
Thunderbird, you can just press the 'K' key when viewing any message in
this thread. This will "kill" the thread. After switching to another
group you've subscribed to and switching back to r.b.r, this thread will
no longer be visible.
HTH.
Chuck Anderson
> In article <l4OdnalX-ZsikyLZ...@comcast.com>,
> Chuck Anderson <website...@seemy.sig> wrote:
>
>
>> Please remove rec.bicycles.rides from all of these irrelevant threads
>> (started by PITA trolls, I might add).
>>
>
>
> BTW, you can remove rec.bicycles.rides from _your_ responses. And you
> can also set followups outside r.b.r.
>
> But, by whinging,
New word?
> you've pretty much insured that all the responses now
> will be deliberately posted to r.b.r.
>
> Welcome to usenet. It's like junior high all over again.
>
>
To you and Arif, ... my post was a simple request - no reply was asked
for or needed ... unless, that is, you needed help understanding it.
Both of your assumptions about me are way off. I've been posting to
Usenet since Arpanet days and the good groups I've participated in over
all those years do not operate in this way (rec.bicycles.rides rarely
sees this much crap). Ignoring trolls is what users here need to do -
not following them blindly. Trolls will always be here, true, but they
are rendered meaningless if ignored.
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers)
to deliver any clue to the following address: Chuck Anderson
<website...@seemy.sig>
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>Trolls will always be here, true, but they
>are rendered meaningless if ignored.
What fun is that?
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El Pollo Loco (Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend) demonstrates it's complete gullibility, stupidity, and state of delusion when it falls for an April Fool's joke, hook, line, and sinker:
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.democrats.d/msg/008d032d86999983?hl=en&
Ragnar wrote:
> Gods, you're dumb. Its a rather obvious April Fool's joke. And you're
> the Fool.
This is no joke.
Pat
OP cross-posted the latest edition of "bikes are better than cars" to
at least one planning group. Personally, I think it's a boring subject
by city-centered cyclists, but what can you do....
donquijote1954
Mark Hickey wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <nolionn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> A new bunch of trolls.
>
> Don't feed the troll, folks. I know you think you can out-reason this
> one (no doubt true) but it's like the proverb about teaching a pig to
> sing.
Oh, my dear predator, why don't you sell Hummer parts instead of
bikes???
Don't you understand that once we get more bikes on the roads you will
sell more of your frames? It's not fair, it's not fair.
Well, that only shows you follow the Party Line: Four Wheels Good, Two
Wheels Baaaad... ;)
donquijote1954
Bill wrote:
> > $30,000 worth of equipment will make you pretty much independent of
> > the power grid AND the city water supply.
>
> My sister would love to do it but they already have a crime problem in a
> walled community. Too many illegals breaking and entering, even in a
> heavily patrolled retirement community. Great idea, but I would put
> about a 10,000 volt fence around it and then label it every 5 feet or
> so, "Danger, this 10,000 volt fence will kill you if you touch it.",
> but only in English. That way the morning cleanup could find the non
> English speaking thieves who tried to climb it and steal something.
> I know, I am so inhumane.
> Sick of illegals, too.
> Bill Baka
I would use only one word in German: achtung!
Paul O
Sorry, I don't know Lenny Caro - SAIC is a big company.
I'm about your (calendar) age and I grew up near Silver Spring (in
Burtonsville). These days I live in Northern Virginia.
Some days I may feel like I'm 93, but I'm convinced that I'm still a
teenager. That fat, wrinkly old man that I see in my bathroom mirror is
some sort cruel hallucination.
Good Luck,