If I had a revolution I'd swap cars for bikes
ComandanteBanana
(hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
Chavez will swap gas-guzzlers for clean cars
CARACAS, Venezuela - Give up your gas-guzzler and get a free car.
That's President Hugo Chavez's offer to Venezuelans.
Chavez says he plans to start a program next year that will give away
cars running on less-polluting natural gas to people who turn in old
cars that consume "too much gasoline."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081005/...uela_free_cars
***
So what would you do if you had a revolution?
WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
(reason #101: because bananas power bikes!)
Jack May
"ComandanteBanana" <nolionn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0...@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as many
third world people as possible.
ComandanteBanana
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> Interesting. I guess he realizes oil is in decline. Still, the top
> selling Hummer dealership is in Caracas.
Maybe he's playing camouflage (trying to look good) when promoting
efficient cars while keeping the gallon of gas at 12 cents. ;)
I think Big Oil and him are one big happy family.
ComandanteBanana
> "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
You don't seem to know much about energy efficiency, do you?
When you are powered by bananas, you only carry yourself plus the
weight of the bicycle, say, 1/20th the weight of you carrying an SUV.
So you can still cause some minor suffering, but nothing comparable to
what you do with an SUV.
And then if we have a revolution down there too, we can have the
banana workers work in coops with all the benefits and perks --
including healthcare-- normal to the civilized nations outside the
USA.
ComandanteBanana
> "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote innews:SYKdndhFWpG6ZXXV...@comcast.com:
>
>
>
> > "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0...@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.
> > ..
> >> there (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd
> >> probably take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap
> >> cars for bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
>
> > In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off
> > as many third world people as possible.
>
> but one must also mention that lions, monkeys, and bananas figure
> into the equation. In what way? I don't know. My understanding of
> Banana Epistemology is lacking.
You don't seem to watch Animal Planet let alone political debates.
Like in the jungle, politics is about camouflage (lies) by which you
hide the fact that the big predators (lion) eat the common people (the
sheep). Then the monkey realizes this game of deceit and cries: LION!
Oh, the banana is for the lion trying to eat the monkey. ;)
ComandanteBanana
wrote:
> Jack May wrote:
> > "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the
> makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake
> in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
>
> We will not mention the amount of potential food-stocks (corn [1] and
> soy beans) being used to make motor fuel.
>
> [1] Maize for people in .uk.
Yeap, we shall export the American way of life where the fatter you
are the better.
It feeds the Healthcare Industry for one. ;)
ComandanteBanana
> > We will not mention the amount of potential food-stocks (corn [1] and soy
> > beans) being used to make motor fuel.
>
> The work on biofuels is developing approaches that do not use food sources
> for fuel. You are way out of touch with what is going on.
>
> I exercise to keep myself very health. My "gym" is an Olympic size
> trampoline in my back yard I have had for years.
Are you promoting trampolines? They sound fun, but do they get
something accomplished, like when you commute by bike?
And are they kind of boring after jumping on it for half an hour?
ComandanteBanana
could put in place a BICYCLE PROGRAM like this. Notice this is
someone's contribution to the revolution...
(I quote, link below)
If we have a revolution in this country:
1) We should make cycling a pre-requisite for driver's ed. lessons.
2) We should give cyclists a tax break for cycling to work (this is
already in progress, maybe the revolution has already started).
3) Motorists who approach bicycles should be treated the same way as
any child molester. Children ride bicycles, therefore anyone who
approaches a bicycle is a child-molester.
4) We should build a system of super-bikeways. Every Interstate
highway and parkway should have a parallel bikeway. The super-bikeways
should be wide enough for streamlined recumbent bikes to run at speed
(~80MPH). The superbikeways should have elevated flyover bridges to
avoid highway crossings.
5) Privatize the highways- Let bicycle clubs in on the bidding to buy
highways and charge heavy tolls on cars.
6) Institute the Death Penalty for any motorist who kills a cyclist.
(Or at least life in prison.)
7) Work proactively with Trucking Companies and Teamsters to get roads
widened, and get inept motorists off the road.
8) Double or triple the number of Amtrak trains.
9) Install light-rail back in every city street which once had
trolleys.
10) Install a device in every car to limit the speed to the actual
posted speed-limit. (The technology is coming, we already have GPS.
Every car should have an RFID chip and every speed-limit sign could
have a scanner to read said RFID chip.)
11) Give 100 million dollars to Nascar to expand the Nascar track
circuit to keep motorists happy. Motorists will still be allowed to
drive faster than the speed limit, they will just have to do it at the
nearest motor-sport park.
12) Make Cycling a sport at every high school. Funds should at least
match what they are paying for school football.
13) Install signs reading "SHARE THE ROAD" on more roads.
14) Double the frequency of road sweeping.
15) Do more brush cutting to clear roadside vegetation.
16) Give bicycle companies "Equal Time" with car companies. Television
and Radio stations will be required to air a bike commercial for every
car advertisement they run.
17) install video surveillance at every bicycle rack, to eliminate the
need for heavy U-locks. Plus install more bicycle racks.
18) Eliminate street parking for automobiles, make the kerb-side
(curbside) lane a bike lane.
-Finis-
There may be more good ideas to institute. Thank you, Mr. Quixote1954,
for starting this thread.
ComandanteBanana
death penalty. Notice that now the fact of riding a bike often amounts
to a death penalty)
Originally Posted by Roughstuff
"I like the numbers I have highlighted.
(6) which proves the death penalty IS, indeed, constitutional!"
***
Not sure about that, but I'm sure that if bicycles had been around
when the Constitution was written, it would had been a different
story...
"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happines... guaranteed by the
bicycle"...
ComandanteBanana
But it's for Venezuela, right?)
(I answer at bottom)
Originally Posted by Viva.Viagra
1 - Then let's make sure the cyclist is also licensed. And failure to
obey the posted laws results in the egregious fines.
2 - Why does the goverment need to be involved? You can't have a
revolution and ask for goverment intervention at the same time.
3 - Way to paint with a broad brush. Should the next step be to label
all black cyclists as potential terrorists? All male cyclists as
rapists?
4 - Great. Where's that funding going to come from?
5 - So you want the goverment to subsidize cycling, build super
bikeways but privatize them? What happens when the owner of the
private highway now decides he doesn't like the cyclist using it?
7 - Make sure you remove the inept cyclists at the same time. Those
that don't conform must be eliminated.
10 - So our revolution leads to back to 1984 and the abolition of
privacy? Why should only the car have a chip. Why not every vehicle.
Heck, let's impant the chip into every citizen at birth. The Nazi's
made the Jews wear flair, it's the next logical step.
16 - Bicycle companys are free to purchase commercial air time, just
like any other free enterprize
In closing...........Viva La Stupidity !!
Be careful of the revolution you advocate. People like you are likely
to be the first lined up against a wall.
***
No, only the motorized people need to be licensed. There's very little
damage a bicycle can do.
2- Under the revolution the goverment will be on the side of the weak
and rightful. Nothing wrong with that.
3- Those minorities would only be potential terrorists if they are
behind the wheel of an SUV. THEY TERRORIZED PEOPLE.
4- The funding is coming from stopping the wars over oil. I don't
think we would need wars over bananas, right?
5- People to drive SUVs are fine with paying tolls. They advocate
hands off from the government (Libertarian Party in United Selfish of
America).
7- Inept cyclists remove themselves from the gene pool. They don't
kill others like reckless SUV drivers do.
10- No, the revolution doesn't need to see your underwear at airports,
just make sure the proles on bikes are safe from the predators out
there.
NOTE: I DON'T EVEN DREAM OF SURVIVING THE REVOLUTION, but I've had
some close calls by doing nothing else than riding a bike in traffic!
Besides, the revolution is for Venezuela or something, right?
Hey, VIVA LA BANANA!
ComandanteBanana
> What in particular has your personal medical story (no matter how
> interesting it may be,
> or how much empathy you deserve for it) to do with cycling as means of
> transport,
> its contribution to public health and the likes?
>
> You're calling everybody else here a technology laggard. But I do think,
> your case must some of a social laggard.
They love technology not for the sake of technology, but for the fact
that they don't have to do anything about it now, and if it ever comes
it will cost you an arm and a leg.
Bicycles are too cheap and simple to be a viable solution where
everything is about money, I say.
ComandanteBanana
mostly present in the American psyche. Something to keep in check like
the bird flu)
Originally Posted by Viva.Viagra
"So I give up my rights to privacy upon entering a vehicle? I alow the
goverment to montior and track my movements?
Sounds pretty Orwellian to me. But then again, this would be in
keeping with being a Citizen of the Socialist Revolution. Giving up
liberty, freedom and self determination for the collective good."
***
You already do when Big Brother issues you a ticket for speeding. And
yet you get away with intimidating bicyclists and pedestrians as well
as drivers of smaller cars.
In Germany on the other hand you can run as fast as you want in many
(safe) places, and yet they give you a ticket for, say, chatting on
the phone.
I don't see the problem as much as having a Big Brother, but having
one that only cares for the big, fat, reckless, stupid drivers.
Of course, the same ones that have money to burn and vote for oil
drilling --and war.
DennisTheBald
wrote:
I think you get at least as much bang outta just lowering the speed
limit on all the non-hiway roads to 30mph.
ComandanteBanana
>
> - Show quoted text -
Don't quite understand. I would lower the speed on the right lane to
20 MPH to accomodate bicycle traffic. Then allow higher speeds on
passing lanes regulated both by speed cameras.
ComandanteBanana
> ComandanteBanana schrieb:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 12:22 am, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> "Tadej Brezina" <tadej_use...@gmx.at> wrote in message
>
> >>news:48e9d8de$0$12126$3b21...@tunews.univie.ac.at...
>
> >>> Jack May wrote:
> >>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:gcb7lj$846$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> >>>>> Jack May wrote:
> >>>>>> "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0...@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
> >>>>>>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
> >>>>>>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
> >>>>>> many third world people as possible.
> >>>>> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical
> >>>>> activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the
> >>>>> makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake
> >>>>> in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
> >>> How comes you oppose cycling as means of transport and as means of public
> >>> health improval so much, as it has been proven numerous times to increase
> >>> overall health in societies?
> >>>> is not remotely food to fuel conversion. That is one reason Kaiser is
> >>>> the lowest cost medical and tends to have the best results. But you are
> >>>> in the very stupid approach that the solution to all resource management
> >>>> is conservation instead of technology development to expand the options
> >>>> for being "green". As always your ignorance of almost everything in
> >>>> society is extremely apparent.
> >>>>> We will not mention the amount of potential food-stocks (corn [1] and
> >>>>> soy beans) being used to make motor fuel.
> >>>> The work on biofuels is developing approaches that do not use food
> >>>> sources for fuel. You are way out of touch with what is going on.
> >>> percentage at hand - of the biofuel resources is standing in the way of
> >>> food resources.
> >>>> I exercise to keep myself very health.
> >>>> My "gym" is an Olympic size trampoline in my back yard I have had for
> >>>> ever taken their entire bank of test where they found no detectible
> >>>> medical problems. Kaiser keeps a large computer database of all their
> >>>> medical activities. They know what is happening and what has happened
> >>>> there. The doctors have often made comments to others about my unique
> >>>> health characteristics. My family history is that of a very long life.
> >>>> I have a rare disease which is the result of a random mutation of
> >>>> antibodies which would be impossible to prevent with exercise. I just
> >>>> finished 10 days at Kaiser where they pumped blood cell out of my body (a
> >>>> small amount at a time) through a machine that centrifuged it to separate
> >>>> the antibodies by molecular weight and molecularly grab the offending
> >>>> antibodies with albumen (blood product) and remove them from my body
> >>>> where they are discarded. Could give me maybe as much as few years with
> >>>> out the problem. The process can be repeated if the anti-bodies pop up
> >>>> again.
> >>>> The process is a low energy treatment.
> >>>> By rare I mean in the SF Bay area there are two people at Stanford
> >>>> Medical and me at Kaiser that have the disease. All three of us are
> >>>> being treated with the machine which is also used to maintain suppression
> >>>> of the offending anti-bodies for life.
> >>>> OK you can now waste your time again to come up with more retarded
> >>>> comments that technology laggards so often do because of their deep
> >>>> inferiority complex.
> >>> What in particular has your personal medical story (no matter how
> >>> interesting it may be,
> >>> or how much empathy you deserve for it) to do with cycling as means of
> >>> transport,
> >>> its contribution to public health and the likes?
> >> exercise. A lot more food to energy wasted than just for exercise. Now
> >> technology can mitigate those problems, but the human powered vehicle people
> >> tend to hate technology advances and want to push for maximum wastefulness
> >> of food to energy.
>
> >>> You're calling everybody else here a technology laggard. But I do think,
> >>> your case must some of a social laggard.
> >> adopters. We are the most advanced people pushing the design of society to
> >> improve, not pull it back into a long dead past. We are the people that
> >> design the future that people tend to want as what is most desirable for
> >> their lives. Its is more complex than that, but you must realize that a
> >> lot of things go on in society that are not related to technology laggard
> >> concepts of the world.
>
> >> You really should try to understand how the culture works at different parts
> >> of the curve rather than just making uneducated reformatting of my
> >> statements
>
> >> In general the technology laggard segment of society has been show in
> >> research to be the most socially probamatic segment. The laggards have been
> >> found to often fail in many of the key social characteristics such as
> >> connections with people, less than average intelligence, lower income, and
> >> far fewer accomplishments in life.
>
> > I think you are about to prove that walking is obsolete in America...
>
> > Source: Talking Point, BBC News
>
> > Having lived in the US last year, I can say most of the comments here
> > belittling this lawsuit stem from ignorance of life in the US. People
> > here in the UK are MUCH more aware of what is healthy. In the US "Big
> > Food" dominates the airwaves and the vast majority of people are
> > genuinely misinformed. Americans live off processed food regularly
> > now.
> > Having said that, I think the lawsuit is partially misguided because
> > bad
> > food is no more than half the problem of obesity that is now coming
> > to
> > the fore in the US. The other half is the lifestyle the country
> > imposes
> > on people. In the US you are literally FORCED to drive everywhere -
> > even
> > a 5 minute hop to a local supermarket. People live in a system where
> > they do everything sitting down. So it is not just that massive
> > amounts
> > of calories (with little nutrition) are readily and cheaply on offer,
> > but that burning any of it off in the normal course of a day is near
> > impossible.
> > James, UK
>
> > Luckily, America offers a substitute to it...
>
> > (I think is on sale now)
>
> I do think that all intelligent people around the world wonder about
> this rather strange Mumbo Jumbo behaviour. Although the health
> destroying convenience illusion is rapidly progressing around the world,
> including it's obesity and health "side effects".
>
> But hey, didn't last year Conklin and May try to explain us, that
> obesity increases life length and health?
It's funnny that the there's a certain behavior (let's call it the
"American way of life") in which being a perfect couch potato is
considered bliss...
So everything is AUTOMATIC, the car you drive (saves you the "work" to
shift gears), the stairs, the motorboat (who cares about those sails
or paddles) and finally the electric scooter to save you from walking
in old age. Of course, EVERYTHING AUTOMATIC HAS A PRICE, whether
thats' a price tag, or an OBESITY DISEASE.
Then again HEALTHCARE HAS PRICE TAG TOO, so we are back to square one.
http://www.sethbarnes.com/imagefolder/seth/ske_couch_potato_lg.jpg
Tadej Brezina
> [...]
> http://www.sethbarnes.com/imagefolder/seth/ske_couch_potato_lg.jpg
Hah, here we see how evolution "really" works. Bring in the
"highly-technicised society" on the "upper end of the curve": It
develops a belly even for the skeleton-stage.
Tadej
--
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
depends upon his not understanding it.”
<Upton Sinclair in The Jungle>
ComandanteBanana
> ComandanteBanana schrieb:
>
> > [...]
> >http://www.sethbarnes.com/imagefolder/seth/ske_couch_potato_lg.jpg
>
> Hah, here we see how evolution "really" works. Bring in the
> "highly-technicised society" on the "upper end of the curve": It
> develops a belly even for the skeleton-stage.
I've lost some 20lbs ever since they opened some trails around here. I
was kind of a couch potato before but not by choice. The roads are for
the suicidal type and I was waiting for a miracle or something.
But now they want to make another Amsterdam out of it...
Originally Posted by harleyfrog
"Now that I think about it, Miami becoming the next Amsterdam is
possible. I mean, they already have the drugs and prostitution, just
add some bike lanes, a few canals and some windmills and you'll be all
set."
Sorry, it's only coming together with the revolution...
'Actually, I propose a "Dutch Package," where issues normal to the
Dutch --gay rights, bike facilities, prostitution and marihuana-- are
discussed in less open societies.'
Of course, I provide the windmills. ;)
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=474893
Jack May
On Oct 5, 1:23 pm, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
> "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0...@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
> > (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
> > take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
> > bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
>
> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as
> many
> third world people as possible.
You don't seem to know much about energy efficiency, do you?
When you are powered by bananas, you only carry yourself plus the
weight of the bicycle, say, 1/20th the weight of you carrying an SUV.
You are a total moron. Food production is one of the most oil intensive
uses in the economy. It takes on the order of ten times as much oil
energy for the food you eat to power your bike as is in the food itself.
It is only morons like you that can understand that manual energy source are
high intense users of oil. A bike will often expend more oil per mile than
a small car. There is a lot research in this area trying to figure out how
much oil energy everything takes to run. Since you understand NOTHING, you
have been assuming just because you don't know where the energy comes from,
it must be green and use no oil. That are a total joke with your total
ignorance of what you write about.
News
That argument would only hold as 'true' if a person consumed more food
to expend the energy used in transporting themselves. IE: when I was in
the military (1) I ate at a rate of 6000+ calories per day to keep up
with the energy requirements. As a normal 'fit' person who also cycles
and has a fitness regime of running and upper body work most weekdays I
eat what my wife puts in front of me, about 2000 calories per day. Your
average non exercising person consumes far more 'food oil' per day as
they don't measure their intake against calorific value so that whilst
at extremes (1) you might hold some truth over a short distance in
general your argument is unsupportable for the majority of the
cycling/fitness population.
This is of course purely a 'common sense' response. To make a true
analysis one would need to work out the calorific equivalent of a gallon
of petrol and then ascertain how much of that was used over a given
distance. As you propose the idea and have suggested research is
available I would ask you devise a method to 'prove' the assertion using
a 'small car' by which I take it you mean a vehicle of 1000 cc.
FYI:
I read that 1 litre of petrol is the equivalent of 9.7 kWh
1 kWh = 3600 kJ of energy
1 Kcal = 4.2 kJ
So unless I have made a mistake, 1 Litre of petrol has around 8314 kCal
Source: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Calorific_value_of_one_litre_of_petrol
Calories Expended During Certain Activities:
Biking 12-13.9 mph (moderate effort) Male 334 Female 258
Source: http://www2.gsu.edu/~wwwfit/physicalactivity.html#Calories
The average cycle journey of 6 miles is roughly 30 minutes.
Source: Memory
Sniper8052