why I'll never ride sram in any grand tour or one day classic
yirgster
push) broke off on the right shifter. 30 miles to go.
Looking around in the forums, I'm not alone. Maybe an extra 10 grams
or so would have helped.
About 3000-4000 miles.
Phil H
I hope you were stuck in a 53/14 with no hills.
Phil H
Clive George
I've bust two campag shift levers so far.
bfd
But you have been able to repair them, right?! :) Good Luck!
Fred on a stick
You'll never ride in any grand tour or one day classic.
Colin B.
Had a shiny new Shimano MTB brake lever snap off on me - a brake lever!
No torsion on that, just weak metal, bad design, or flaws.
Shit happens.
yirgster
yirgster
The lever broke just at a start of a climb (the hill to the cheese factory in Marin, if you're familiar).
My two friends and I were just looking at it sort of flummoxed when someone else pulled over, saying, let's just adjust the cable. Don't know why I didn't think of that. I've fixed bikes.
So, I selected a cog, he quickly adjusted the cable so that it sat on it, yielding 2 fixed gears, one per chainring, obviously.
There was this hill and one more, the Marshall wall (doesn't deserve that sobriquet, imo) to the coast. No problema, thankfully. On the flats and downhills I quickly outran the gears.
yirgster
The group was still under warranty. You have to go through the dealer for sram. At least that's what they said on their web site. I called them--neuvation cycling. They promptly, that day, sent out a new lever, asking that I return the busted one so they could get credit. Arrived in two days. Sent back the other.
It was about a week before the bike was back together. Meanwhile I had to slum it on my old Habanero ti. Don't know how I managed.
Fred on a stick
Fixed your subject line for you.
landotter
Which model year? They switched to magnesium last year which may have
contributed to gimpiness. I'd contact Sram and see if you can warranty
the levers.
yirgster
Per a previous reply, they were warranty replaced immediately by the dealer, neuvationcycling.com
Snortley
I haven't had any SRAM parts break, but I've wanted spares, and had an
awful time getting them.
They are very generous with exploded diagrams and part numbers, but
the actual pieces are next to impossible to obtain. Some European bike
shops list a few for sale, but if you try to order them, they turn
out to actually not be in stock.
I did once ask a LBS to order axle nuts and a click box for a SRAM
DualDrive hub. The manager had to go through a ton of red tape to get
them. After over six months of runarounds, he finally got the order -
2 sets of nuts (weird size: 10.5 x 1) and washers and 2 click boxes.
When I asked how much, he replied, "No charge; warranteed items."
Can't beat the price, but SRAM's policy is discouraging.
Apparently, they would rather you just swap out a $250 component when
the problem is just one piece worth only a few bucks. For most of
their customers, this isn't a problem. Most of them won't put more
than a few hundred miles on their bikes in a lifetime, so nothing
breaks. For anyone who rides a lot, though, it can be a real
irritation.
I guess the days are long gone since you could get hold of all sorts
of spares. Once upon a time, many manufacturers were at the ready
with every little piece one way or another.
Nowadays, when when we in the West manufacture so little, and use the
dustbin rather than repair anything, this is to be expected. Fairly
often I've found myself in the home of someone who doesn't even have a
screwdriver or pair of pliers. If no one fixes anything, why bother
with parts?
Last month, I was on a lunch break in the middle of a ride. Outside
the diner where I was sitting, there was a long line of patrons at a
table in front of a housewares store. I wondered what was in such
demand that so many were turning out. Then I saw the banner
advertising the deal: bring in you chef's knife for a free sharpening!
These people couldn't even sharpen a kitchen knife! Not a few, but
they were showing up in droves! What the store was offering seemed
like a sign of the times. Would this have been a draw 50 years ago?
Probably not. What will be next? A shoe store offering to tie
shoelaces for free? We're becoming helpless. Last year, on a club
ride, someone's chain broke. No problem, maybe; I had an extra 9-speed
master link with me. I asked the rider how many rear cogs she had. She
didn't know. Probably couldn't sharpen a knife, either. (She had nine
cogs; the chain was fixed.)
You very well may get the same "warranteed item" policy on your
brifter, in which case you're set, though with another brittle paddle.
The way those things tend to be riveted and crimped together, it
probably couldn't be remedied with a replacement part, anyway. Still,
you have to wonder just how much it would set SRAM back to keep a room
stocked with spares, for the few remaining who do have a few tools
around the house, and know how to use them. I reckon if they did, the
payback in their reputation would give them such a competetive edge,
it would be well worth it. But I've got to stop thinking that way;
that's SO twentieth century.
Ronsonic
"Snortley" <jtk...@enterprise.mil> wrote in message
news:a6f6s6dmupb7man53...@4ax.com...
> Last month, I was on a lunch break in the middle of a ride. Outside
> the diner where I was sitting, there was a long line of patrons at a
> table in front of a housewares store. I wondered what was in such
> demand that so many were turning out. Then I saw the banner
> advertising the deal: bring in you chef's knife for a free sharpening!
> These people couldn't even sharpen a kitchen knife! Not a few, but
> they were showing up in droves! What the store was offering seemed
> like a sign of the times. Would this have been a draw 50 years ago?
>
Fifty years ago there was an old guy on a pedal powered thingawachit who
rode through the neighborhood ringing a bell. He sharpened knives. And
scissors! The sign was real big about the scissors but knives were his core
business.
Not only was it a draw, but a big enough of one to be worth delivering.
Tºm Shermªn™ °_°
> [...]
> Last month, I was on a lunch break in the middle of a ride. Outside
> the diner where I was sitting, there was a long line of patrons at a
> table in front of a housewares store. I wondered what was in such
> demand that so many were turning out. Then I saw the banner
> advertising the deal: bring in you chef's knife for a free sharpening!
> These people couldn't even sharpen a kitchen knife! Not a few, but
> they were showing up in droves! What the store was offering seemed
> like a sign of the times. Would this have been a draw 50 years ago?
Think of the hundreds of people milling around with now sharpened
kitchen knives!
> Probably not. What will be next? A shoe store offering to tie
> shoelaces for free? We're becoming helpless. Last year, on a club
> ride, someone's chain broke. No problem, maybe; I had an extra 9-speed
> master link with me. I asked the rider how many rear cogs she had. She
> didn't know. Probably couldn't sharpen a knife, either. (She had nine
> cogs; the chain was fixed.)
With 5 through 8-speed chain, one could remove the broken link and
reconnect the chain with a chain tool. With 9 through 11-speed chain,
one needs a special stupid pin (Shimano) or a quick-link (all).
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
AMuzi
If he was successful, I guess some people would let a
stranger sharpen their knives. Weird.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
RicodJour
> Ronsonic wrote:
> > "Snortley" <jtk...@enterprise.mil> wrote in message
>
> >> the diner where I was sitting, there was a long line of patrons at a
> >> table in front of a housewares store. I wondered what was in such
> >> demand that so many were turning out. Then I saw the banner
> >> advertising the deal: bring in you chef's knife for a free sharpening!
> >> These people couldn't even sharpen a kitchen knife! Not a few, but
> >> they were showing up in droves! What the store was offering seemed
> >> like a sign of the times. Would this have been a draw 50 years ago?
>
> > Fifty years ago there was an old guy on a pedal powered thingawachit who
> > rode through the neighborhood ringing a bell. He sharpened knives. And
> > scissors! The sign was real big about the scissors but knives were his core
> > business.
A hundred years ago there were pedal powered lathes, scrollsaws and
the ilk. The only TVs allowed should be pedal powered. That would
take care of 50% of the obesity problem right there.
> > Not only was it a draw, but a big enough of one to be worth delivering.
>
> If he was successful, I guess some people would let a
> stranger sharpen their knives. Weird.
Most people don't know how to sharpen a knife, and that includes a lot
of the guys who go around in the trucks doing it. Another lost art.
R
Kerry Montgomery
R,
It would have worked better with CRT TVs - a number of the current ones take
less than 100W. CNET shows a couple of 32" LCD HDTVs at just under 50W!
Kerry
James
> Most people don't know how to sharpen a knife, and that includes a lot
> of the guys who go around in the trucks doing it. Another lost art.
The devices sold for people to witlessly sharpen their knives makes me
laugh.
JS.
Kurgan Gringioni
"yirgster" <yirg....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3857d490-bb60-4ef1...@h36g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
:A few weeks ago my sram force shift lever (the actual paddle that you
Dumbass -
When they're designing on the hairy edge of lightness vs. reliability and
charging a lot of money for the gruppo, they should make parts like the
lever out of titanium.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Simply Fred
> Fixed your subject line for you.
All Bianchi's should come standard with SRAM.
Simply Fred
> The devices sold for people to witlessly sharpen their knives makes me
> laugh.
The devices to sharpen wit are funnier.
Substance McGravitas
> Dumbass,
>
> Fixed your subject line for you.
>
>
A trip down Memory Lane ... on an exploding bicycle.
Frederick the Great
<e7f9b974-7f78-4256...@f9g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <rico...@worldemail.com> wrote:
One day I was hanging out with some people and taking
the idle time to sharpen my pocket knife on one of
those Arkansas novaculite stones. A guy handy with
tools ridiculed me and I said the edge could shave the
hair off his arm. He took me up then shut up.
--
Old Fritz
RicodJour
> In article
> <e7f9b974-7f78-4256-af95-8c7fd1371...@f9g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
Wait - did you sharpen the hair off his arm, or did he, and are you
sure it was his arm? :)~
R
Frederick the Great
<902bf902-602e-4676...@a10g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <rico...@worldemail.com> wrote:
He did. As sure as the day is long.
--
Old Fritz
Stephen Bauman
> A few weeks ago my sram force shift lever (the actual paddle that you
> push) broke off on the right shifter. 30 miles to go.
>
Another reason I prefer downtube friction shifters.
Does the randonneur PBP qualifies as a grand tour? I felt no need to hide
the shift on the two I completed. However, breaking a shifter ratchet
between two controls would have been fatal.
If you want to ride grand tour or one day classic equipment, I suggest
your first purchase be a support car. :=)
--
Stephen Bauman
Greg Evans
> If you want to ride grand tour or one day classic equipment, I suggest
> your first purchase be a support car. :=)
Maybe you could score one of those old Molteni Volvos!
Greg
RicodJour
>
> Another reason I prefer downtube friction shifters.
>
> Does the randonneur PBP qualifies as a grand tour? I felt no need to hide
> the shift on the two I completed. However, breaking a shifter ratchet
> between two controls would have been fatal.
That word fatal - I do not think it means what you think it means.
R
Fredmaster of Brainerd
> On Wed, 04 May 2011 23:48:43 -0700, yirgster wrote:
> > A few weeks ago my sram force shift lever (the actual paddle that you
> > push) broke off on the right shifter. 30 miles to go.
>
> Another reason I prefer downtube friction shifters.
>
> Does the randonneur PBP qualifies as a grand tour?
No.
Thanks for asking.
> I felt no need to hide
> the shift on the two I completed. However, breaking a shifter ratchet
> between two controls would have been fatal.
>
> If you want to ride grand tour or one day classic equipment, I suggest
> your first purchase be a support car. :=)
Shift levers don't break very often. Shift wires break more
often, and are integral to the functioning of even downtube levers.
If you can't figure out how to ride home on a one day ride (not PBP)
after breaking a shift lever or shift wire, maybe you should,
indeed, purchase a support car.
Thanks,
Fredmaster Ben
