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Scott

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May 29, 2010, 12:01:01 PM5/29/10
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Too bad he didn't have a team to support him. He's ridden pretty
strongly and most surprisingly, aggressively throughout the Giro. How
about that late attack today??? If only he could've taken a few more
seconds, maybe he could TT his way back onto the podium tomorrow. I
think he left it 'too little, too late'.

K. Fred Gauss

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May 29, 2010, 12:31:33 PM5/29/10
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My opinion on him is slowly changing. I just can't get past his little
dog and threatening to cut someone's head off. That moment still defines
him, to me.

Fred Flintstein

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May 29, 2010, 12:31:16 PM5/29/10
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50 seconds on Scarponi, 51 on Nibali. 15km to work with, and
a 200m climb. It's possible, but it certainly won't be easy.

As a comparison, the final TT in the 1989 Tour was 15km, and
Lemond picked up 58 seconds on Fignon.

The opener in Amsterdam was 8.4 km, and it went like this:

CFE
Nibali @ 8 seconds
Scarponi @ 19 seconds

It's possible, but unlikely. A stage win could happen though.

Fred Flintstein

H. Fred Kveck

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May 29, 2010, 12:34:45 PM5/29/10
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In article <fedf15b4-b3f4-4952...@40g2000pry.googlegroups.com>,
Scott <hendric...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Based on the stage 16 TT, I don't think CFE will be able to gain enough time on
Nibali and Scarponi to get on the box. I think if he'd been able to gain about 30
seconds today, it might have been possible. You're right about his newfound
aggressive style. I wonder if BMC will look to pick up some more riders that can ride
support in GTs at the end of the year.

Arroyo has been another big surprise in this race.

Fred Flintstein

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May 29, 2010, 1:41:30 PM5/29/10
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H. Fred Kveck wrote:
> You're right about his newfound
> aggressive style. I wonder if BMC will look to pick up some more riders that can ride
> support in GTs at the end of the year.

He'll be 34 next year. I don't know that he's the guy to build
around for the future.

Fred Flintstein

Betty Munro

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May 29, 2010, 1:58:05 PM5/29/10
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Dunno about the GC but perhaps if he'd gone a bit earlier he could have
had a stage win today.

Bob Martin

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May 29, 2010, 1:06:13 PM5/29/10
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He made his points jersey a little safer.

Mike Jacoubowsky

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May 29, 2010, 2:10:54 PM5/29/10
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"H. Fred Kveck" <YOURh...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
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Sorry, but Cadel has to take responsibility for his lack of team mates. When
he negotiates with a team, he's in control of his destiny. He can choose to
work with someone that will guarantee a team built around him, or not. He
can decide to go for a smaller salary and larger bonus with a Grand Tour
win, with more $$$ for support folk. He can choose to not worry or deal
appropriately with the egos that come with the type of rider that could keep
up with him.

Next time I talk with Chris Horner, who was his room-mate during the TdF a
few years back, I've got to ask him about this. What goes on in Cadel's
head, regarding team mates? I remember even that year he was berating his
team for not supporting him well enough, and wondered how that made Chris
feel.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

A. Dumas Fred

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May 29, 2010, 3:20:02 PM5/29/10
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H. Fred Kveck wrote:
> I wonder if BMC will look to pick up some more riders that can ride
> support in GTs at the end of the year.

Like Hincapie, Ballan & Santambrogio? They should have been at the Giro.

Betty Munro

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May 29, 2010, 3:41:02 PM5/29/10
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Fred Flintstein wrote:
> He'll be 34 next year. I don't know that he's the guy to build
> around for the future.

Perhaps he and Vino can join Radioshack to help improve the average.

bar

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May 29, 2010, 4:31:26 PM5/29/10
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fuck it. i think it's time for an all-aussie super team next year, to
be led in the grand tours by CFE. i think there's enough talent out
there ...

H. Fred Kveck

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May 29, 2010, 5:42:47 PM5/29/10
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In article <cb575$4c0168e3$53578816$19...@cache5.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>,

Yes, I was thinking that BMC spread themselves a little thin. But I suppose that
the ToC was still important for them, being a somewhat "local" race.

H. Fred Kveck

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May 29, 2010, 5:56:04 PM5/29/10
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In article <yb6dnfZpE8ozxZzR...@earthlink.com>,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:

I think you've made some good points, Mike. BMC showed up with a lot of guys that
I'm not really familiar with, as in, they've never made much of an impression on me.
But sometimes those guys do the job just fine. I wonder if he's hard enough to get
along with that some of their stronger riders actually opted out.

Scott

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May 30, 2010, 12:00:03 AM5/30/10
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On May 29, 12:10 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
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He also gave his team management crap for not giving Horner the salary
he deserved. He (CFE) always spoke very highly of Horner.

NoDannyNo

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