Motorized bikes in the classics
Anton Berlin
I think it's possible
The crowds drown out the noise of the motor.
An extra few pounds or kilos on a bike really wouldn't make much of a
difference in a flat race (see analytical cycling)
Tactics would allow the user just the advantage to blow up his
opponents at critical times in the race. They have to expel excess
energy to counter the assisted move. Even a few of these moves would
be enough to make a difference in top level riders.
Lastly he could use the assist to solo home in the last few kilos or
to motor pace himself up to speed and then milk that speed for some
time, then repeat. No rider could keep up with.
Watching the spring classics I was amazed at Cancellera's superhuman
efforts but now I am thinking there's some doubt.
I expect that winner's bikes will be inspected and even bikes being
changed out at critical times will now be examined as well.
Is there any depth these guys won't stoop to in order to win a race?
It almost makes Armstrong's decades long record of cheating seem
admirable.
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
Did you check out the video links in the "motorized doping" thread?
If the analysis is correct, he used the "assist" to get away. It looks
plausible.
If it's truem, there's only one penalty: lifetime ban. For the rider
and any others complicit. This goes way beyond doping.
thanks,
Fred. presented by Gringioni.
dave a
Cancellera's move in PR was on a flat paved section with no crowds.
Maybe he waited until he was clear of the break to punch the turbo
button so the motor wouldn't be heard.
Kyle Legate
>
> Cancellera's move in PR was on a flat paved section with no crowds.
> Maybe he waited until he was clear of the break to punch the turbo
> button so the motor wouldn't be heard.
I see Cancellera's been singled out for the rbr irrational witch hunt.
And a new record, I think. Tried and convicted in two posts, and I almost
missed it.
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
Check out the videos in the "motorized doping" thread.
Pretty interesting. I'm not sure what to think.
Frederick the Great
<8e0d9645-a141-401a...@e28g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have always admired it.
--
Old Fritz
Anton Berlin
>
> - Show quoted text -
I watched one of them and it wasn't the hand movements that sold me.
It was the realization that the crowds drown out the possible motor
noise and then the relation of his effort to his pedaling and a mental
comparison of all of the Eddy film archives that made me think this
looks suspicious.
I am going to check out the other videos
raamman
>
> - Show quoted text -
the difference between you and Cancellera is someone who works as hard
as he does to get to his level it would be more than an insult to
suggest putting in a little fucking motor to help- some people just
have no sense of personal pride and would stoop to any level to cheat
believing everyone else has the same moral standard, and for others
personal pride is everything.
Fredmaster of Brainerd
I watched the youtube video and at that resolution there
is no way I can tell the difference between a hand motion
to shift gears and the putative button pushing motion.
The makers of the youtube video have an obvious agenda
so it's difficult to weigh that evidence.
I think a lifetime ban for using a motor would be legitimate
(it's a Rosie Ruiz-level of offense) but it's totally unproven
at this point.
Did they record the bike weights at the weigh-in?
Fredmaster Ben
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
What are you babbling about?
Anyone who enters FRed Across AMerica clearly has no personal pride.
DA74
>
> - Show quoted text -
I was highly about the technology until seeing the video actually
showing the race bike with the motor. It would be virtually impossible
to tell in a race setting if someone had this installed on their bike.
And you guys are right, with the crowd noise no one would ever hear
anything.
After seeing this I'd actually be surprised if it hasn't been used. I
can't make any determination as to Cancellara's hand movements - It
can be as simple as him going to shift but changing his mind. But it's
still plausible. Here it is for those who haven't seen the other
thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nd13ARuvVE
Yes Cancellara rides away in the saddle like he's on a motorcycle at
both Roubaix and the Ronde but we have seen this kind of dominant
performance before. Take a quick look - Do you remember this LBL
victory?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT_PCiT1jTU
-DA74
Anton Berlin
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> - Show quoted text -
You've got it completely backwards. I take no insult from getting
dropped, from not wininng a race. I don't need to stoop to any
level. But someone that's been built up to be a cycling god and is
realizing he no longer has it - or isn't getting that classic win
that's eveaded him again and again.... well ?
Anton Berlin
>
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The video headline says it all "died at 34" and the guy's drug list
is as long as anyones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Vandenbroucke_%28cyclist%29
But otherwise a reasonable post.
DA74
>
> - Show quoted text -
I was actually trying to find an extreme example to make that very
point. Museeuw comes to mind as well (like in 2002 PR).
Coming back to Cancellara though - Another reason I wouldn't be too
surprised is that Riis has shown he will do absulutely anything to
win. Plus he reeeeally needed some wins early this season to lock in a
sponsor with Saxo exercising their early release option. Desperate
times call for electric motors...
All that said Riis at Hautacam in '96 still cracks me up. Fucking
dirty scoundrel.
Dear Crabby
0c0cd86b-1d72-45d8...@e34g2000pra.googlegroups.com, "DA74"
<davida...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 31, 4:47锟絧m, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On May 31, 5:48锟絧m, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 31, 12:59锟絧m, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On May 31, 12:29锟絧m, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
>>
>>>> <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On May 31, 10:18锟絘m, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I am going to side with the 'this may be happening' camp - 锟紿ere's why
>>>>>> I think it's possible
>>
>>>>>> The crowds drown out the noise of the motor.
>>
>>>>>> An extra few pounds or kilos on a bike really wouldn't make much of a
>>>>>> difference in a flat race (see analytical cycling)
>>
>>>>>> Tactics would allow the user just the advantage to blow up his
>>>>>> opponents at critical times in the race. 锟絋hey have to expel excess
>>>>>> energy to counter the assisted move. 锟紼ven a few of these moves would
>> The video headline says it all "died at 34" 锟絘nd the guy's drug list
>> is as long as anyones.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Vandenbroucke_%28cyclist%29
>>
>> But otherwise a reasonable post.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I was actually trying to find an extreme example to make that very
> point. Museeuw comes to mind as well (like in 2002 PR).
>
> Coming back to Cancellara though - Another reason I wouldn't be too
> surprised is that Riis has shown he will do absulutely anything to
> win. Plus he reeeeally needed some wins early this season to lock in a
> sponsor with Saxo exercising their early release option. Desperate
> times call for electric motors...
>
> All that said Riis at Hautacam in '96 still cracks me up. Fucking
> dirty scoundrel.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwHlCl2s0UM
> -DA74
Anton Berlin
>
>
>
>
>
> <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 31, 4:47 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On May 31, 5:48 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On May 31, 12:59 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On May 31, 12:29 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
>
> >>>> <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On May 31, 10:18 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> I am going to side with the 'this may be happening' camp - Here's why
> >>>>>> I think it's possible
>
> >>>>>> The crowds drown out the noise of the motor.
>
> >>>>>> An extra few pounds or kilos on a bike really wouldn't make much of a
> >>>>>> difference in a flat race (see analytical cycling)
>
> >>>>>> Tactics would allow the user just the advantage to blow up his
> >>>>>> energy to counter the assisted move. Even a few of these moves would
> >> is as long as anyones.
>
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Vandenbroucke_%28cyclist%29
>
> >> But otherwise a reasonable post.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I was actually trying to find an extreme example to make that very
> > point. Museeuw comes to mind as well (like in 2002 PR).
>
> > Coming back to Cancellara though - Another reason I wouldn't be too
> > surprised is that Riis has shown he will do absulutely anything to
> > win. Plus he reeeeally needed some wins early this season to lock in a
> > sponsor with Saxo exercising their early release option. Desperate
> > times call for electric motors...
>
> > All that said Riis at Hautacam in '96 still cracks me up. Fucking
> > dirty scoundrel.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwHlCl2s0UM
> > -DA74
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
LMAO - "Hey Zipp I can get you on the backdrop for an important news
conference Bjarne Riis is having today for only $30,000. We're not
sure what he's going to talk about but we're certain that there will
be worldwide coverage."
Keith
<davida...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I was highly about the technology until seeing the video actually
>showing the race bike with the motor. It would be virtually impossible
>to tell in a race setting if someone had this installed on their bike.
>And you guys are right, with the crowd noise no one would ever hear
>anything.
>
>After seeing this I'd actually be surprised if it hasn't been used. I
>can't make any determination as to Cancellara's hand movements - It
>can be as simple as him going to shift but changing his mind. But it's
>still plausible. Here it is for those who haven't seen the other
>thread:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nd13ARuvVE
>
+1, this is disturbing...
Fred Flintstein
> All that said Riis at Hautacam in '96 still cracks me up. Fucking
> dirty scoundrel.
Compared to who?
Fred Flintstein
DA74
wrote:
To "whom" you ask?
Well of course in comparison to the long list of clean tour winners
fucktard.
-DA74
Fred Flintstein
Fockstick,
I'm just curious, whom was the highest placed clean rider
that year?
Fred Flintstein
raamman
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what for ? glory ? a contract ? prize money ? he has all that in
spades- he has a dis-incentive to use such means, for a plagiarist
like kurigan it's a no-brainer, he's probabally working on a model for
a local crit right now.
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> what for ? glory ? a contract ? prize money ?
Dang.
You're an idiot. Seriously.
Brad Anders
IMO, these devices are great. I doubt any pro would use one because if
they got caught, they're looking at a lifetime ban, assuming they live
through the ass-kicking they'd get from other pros.
Where I see the real value of these motors is in the poseur/pseudo-
bike racer and fatty masters world. The possibilities here are
endless. Such a device would, as Davide said, allow a 50-year-old fat
slob to ride with Giro-level riders, at least until the battery
croaked. I can see this thing turning those "A" level club rides into
a walk in the part for the poseur, who can now hang with the best
climbers in his club on the steepest grades, and sprint for the glory
of the town limit sign with the fastest sprinters. It will only be a
short time until someone uses one in a fatty master's national
championship road race, blazing by their feeble competition to win the
coveted stars-and-stripes jersey. Cost will be no object, as fatty
masters have more gobs of cash to burn. Anyone who would drop $3K on
wheels and $5K on an SRM, just to hang with the group on a club ride,
wouldn't bat an eye shelling out the bucks for one of these things.
A brave new world awaits. Henry, if you want to add to your millions,
you'd re-tool your shop to start turning these things out for $5K a
pop. You'd have plenty of customers.
Brad Anders
Ningi
Maybe we'll see a surprising increases in the number of 'accidents'
requiring a new bike with a couple of hours to go.
Pete
Anton Berlin
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No screaming crowds at the Fatty Master World Championships, the motor
sound would give them away in a second - unless you're talking about
the wing eating competition.
Anton Berlin
>
> - Show quoted text -
Like Cadel's bike change in the Giro?
Brad Anders
You're thinking first generation. Second generation versions will be
essentially noise-free, if that's what's needed to sneak them into the
fatty masters peloton. Chang's already working on it.
Future versions will put out 400 W for an hour or more. I can't wait
to see the chaos they'll cause on the boulevard.
Brad Anders
DA74
>
> - Show quoted text -
Fucktard,
Jean-Luc Masdupuy. Everyone know that. Now will you finally accept
help and get treatment for your Aspergers?
-DA74
thirty-six
> On Mon, 31 May 2010 10:30:52 -0700, dave a wrote:
>
> > Cancellera's move in PR was on a flat paved section with no crowds.
> > Maybe he waited until he was clear of the break to punch the turbo
> > button so the motor wouldn't be heard.
>
> And a new record, I think. Tried and convicted in two posts, and I almost
> missed it.
No, the right hand movement was quite obvious. He was bringing his
fist around to grab more lever as he powered (human) up the climb.
Fredmaster of Brainerd
The limitation on these things is going to be the
battery, as it usually is on portable electrical devices.
The battery that the stock Gruber assist uses is lithium ion,
has a capacity of about 135 W*hour, and is said to weigh
1.7 kg including casing etc. (The motor weighs another
0.9 kg.) It works out to about 100 W*hour/kg for the battery
weight alone, which is a typical energy density for Li-ion batteries.
A pro rider using it to cheat at the moment could have used a
lower capacity battery to save weight and make it less
noticeable.
With that battery technology, to do 200 W for an hour
would require a 2 kg battery, plus another 1 kg or a
bit more for the motor and packaging. That's getting to
adding 7 pounds to the bike, starting to be really
noticeable if anyone lifts the bike. 400 W for an hour
and you need a 4 kg battery. Too heavy for cheating
at most amateur racing. Certainly capable of causing
chaos on the bike path.
I'd guess that they are not all over the bike path yet in
part because they're expensive. 4 kg of Li-ion battery is
a lot of money. It's within a Fattie Masters budget or even
a dedicated century rider, though. I could see these
showing up at El Tour de Tucson pretty soon.
Fredmaster Ben
z, fred
The interesting thing about the motorized bike issue is that unlike
riders who get thrown under the bus by the team for doping, the team has
direct involvement via the team mechanics who work on the bikes and the
team's ownership of the bikes.
Brad Anders
> I'd guess that they are not all over the bike path yet in
> part because they're expensive. 4 kg of Li-ion battery is
> a lot of money. It's within a Fattie Masters budget or even
> a dedicated century rider, though. I could see these
> showing up at El Tour de Tucson pretty soon.
Good point, and I also expect to see them in the big randonneur events
like P-B-P.
Won't that cause a shitstorm! Those P-B-P guys are even more serious
than the pros. Someone will figure out a stealth way to quickly switch
out batteries at the checkpoints.
Brad Anders
thirty-six
Electrolyte in water bottles :-)
K. Fred Gauss
A battery that looks like a water bottle would work. Modify the water
bottle cage to provide contact points.
Ben Trovato
The wrenches will want to revise the way the pot gets split.
K. Fred Gauss
> I am going to side with the 'this may be happening' camp - Here's why
> I think it's possible
>
> The crowds drown out the noise of the motor.
>
> An extra few pounds or kilos on a bike really wouldn't make much of a
> difference in a flat race (see analytical cycling)
>
> Tactics would allow the user just the advantage to blow up his
> opponents at critical times in the race. They have to expel excess
> energy to counter the assisted move. Even a few of these moves would
> be enough to make a difference in top level riders.
>
> Lastly he could use the assist to solo home in the last few kilos or
> to motor pace himself up to speed and then milk that speed for some
> time, then repeat. No rider could keep up with.
>
> Watching the spring classics I was amazed at Cancellera's superhuman
> efforts but now I am thinking there's some doubt.
>
> I expect that winner's bikes will be inspected and even bikes being
> changed out at critical times will now be examined as well.
>
> Is there any depth these guys won't stoop to in order to win a race?
>
> It almost makes Armstrong's decades long record of cheating seem
> admirable.
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
They already have batteries that look like water bottles (for night
lights).
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
It could be done provided the cheater was sufficiently strong.
The cheater would need to make the selection in the second half of the
race. He/she could make all sorts of no-hoper attacks with many miles
to go and avoid turning on the system until the field let the cheater
go. Once a decent gap is established, blammo! turn on the motor, and
that COVETED AND RARE MASTERS STARS AND STRIPES jersey would be
theirs.
thanks,
Cheater. presented by Gringioni.
K. Fred Gauss
The ones I've seen wouldn't fool anyone. They have wires coming out of
the top, for crissakes. I'm assuming that you've got to disguise it
enough to fool an OCD and paranoid PBP/RAAM rider that's looking for
cheating competitors.
Frederick the Great
<7d18eddf-1f27-4278...@23g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
Oh? You know somebody getting one?
Somebody who has done all the calculations?
--
Old Fritz
Anton Berlin
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dumbass - I could make it happen. No problem to solder these together
(maybe a little smaller diameter model) and then heat shrink tube them
and slip into a frame. The larger the bike the more amps in
reserve.
Anton Berlin
>
> http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/06/news/cancellara-calls-motorize...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah - notice how he said "“I’ve never had batteries on my bike.” but
he didn't deny rubber bands or a pack of hamsters.
Fuck it - I am making some HamsterSTRONG bracelets.
thirty-six
Three of them would fit in a bottle. The old sprung swing clip as
used on handlebar mountings would provide the clamping force required
on the electrical contacts.
z, fred
That's where the RadioShack sponsorship comes in.
K. Fred Gauss
>> http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/06/news/cancellara-calls-motorize...- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> he didn't deny rubber bands or a pack of hamsters.
>
> Fuck it - I am making some HamsterSTRONG bracelets.
If I had one of those, I'd win the Gavia stage FOR SURE!
Brad Anders
secret NorCal factory has been designing advanced versions of these
devices, using techniques Henry developed while building the laserharp
for SiTM. You can expect hundreds of these units to be flooding the
NorCal fatty masters and triathlon scene in the next few months. The
units are as follows:
* "The Cavendish" - provides a single 1500 W assist for 20 seconds.
* "The Fabian" - provides a maximum 500 W assist for 20 minutes
* "The Floyd" - provides a 100 W assist for 4 hours
All units will come with special flame-red "ChangStrong" bracelets,
and a replica masters national championship jersey. Orders will open
on July 4.
Brad Anders
Fred Flintstein
Does the jersey come in XXXL?
Fred Flintstein
Brad Anders
wrote:
> Does the jersey come in XXXL?
There's another size?
Brad Anders
Fred Flintstein
Anton Berlin
ChangSTRONG bracelets only come in stainless.
Brad Anders
wrote:
> On 6/3/2010 9:30 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
>
> > On Jun 3, 7:28 am, Fred Flintstein<bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Does the jersey come in XXXL?
>
> > There's another size?
>
> > Brad Anders
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=cycling+jersey+5xl
>
> Fred "Don't Look So Surprised" Flintstein
Holy shit, those are scary.
Brad Anders
Of course. But I got the color wrong, they're "blood red" annodized
stainless.
Brad Anders
Frederick the Great
Fred Flintstein <bob.sc...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
I am looking at the slenderizing lines of the
Spanish National Team jersey.
--
Old Fritz
Betty Munro
>>> I heard that since this scandal was revealed, that Henry Chang's
>>> secret NorCal factory has been designing advanced versions of these
>>> devices
Anton Berlin wrote:
>> ChangSTRONG bracelets only come in stainless
Brad Anders wrote:
> Of course. But I got the color wrong, they're "blood red" annodized
> stainless.
I want mine in carbon so it can look really impressive when it explodes.
Fredmaster of Brainerd
> Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > part because they're expensive. 4 kg of Li-ion battery is
> > a lot of money. It's within a Fattie Masters budget or even
> > a dedicated century rider, though. I could see these
> > showing up at El Tour de Tucson pretty soon.
>
> Oh? You know somebody getting one?
> Somebody who has done all the calculations?
El Tour de Tucson has never really appealed to me
because it seems to combine the expense and logistical
nightmares (ie clusterfuck) of a race, with
the sketchy inexperienced riders and crowding
(ie clusterfuck) of a century (Fred ride). Plus I can
ride those roads for free if I want.
At least in a Norcal century club ride, the mid-ride stops
tend to have something tasty like brownies or muffins,
so there is mild added value to doing the organized ride.
However, now that you mention it, the El Tour experience
could be enlivened by a ChangSTRONG motor -
I prefer to think of it as a medical device like an implanted
pacemaker. It's to treat my Wattage Deficit Disorder.
I like doing my own mechanical work, though, so maybe
I'll start scrounging up Li-ion cells from old laptop batteries ...
FredMASTER of Century Rides Ben
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
> I heard that since this scandal was revealed, that Henry Chang's
> secret NorCal factory has been designing advanced versions of these
> devices, using techniques Henry developed while building the laserharp
> for SiTM. You can expect hundreds of these units to be flooding the
> NorCal fatty masters and triathlon scene in the next few months. The
> units are as follows:
>
> * "The Cavendish" - provides a single 1500 W assist for 20 seconds.
> * "The Fabian" - provides a maximum 500 W assist for 20 minutes
> * "The Floyd" - provides a 100 W assist for 4 hours
Dumbass -
You forgot to mention:
* "The Chang" - provides a negative 100 W force for 4 hours
or
* "The Kveck" - provides a negative 2500 W force until 5 minutes after
the race has begun
Mark J.
> On Jun 2, 7:21 am, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd guess that they are not all over the bike path yet in
>>> part because they're expensive. 4 kg of Li-ion battery is
>>> a lot of money. It's within a Fattie Masters budget or even
>>> a dedicated century rider, though. I could see these
>>> showing up at El Tour de Tucson pretty soon.
>> Oh? You know somebody getting one?
>> Somebody who has done all the calculations?
>
> El Tour de Tucson has never really appealed to me
> because it seems to combine the expense and logistical
> nightmares (ie clusterfuck) of a race, with
> the sketchy inexperienced riders and crowding
> (ie clusterfuck) of a century (Fred ride). Plus I can
> ride those roads for free if I want.
> At least in a Norcal century club ride, the mid-ride stops
> tend to have something tasty like brownies or muffins,
> so there is mild added value to doing the organized ride.
>
> However, now that you mention it, the El Tour experience
> could be enlivened by a ChangSTRONG motor -
> I prefer to think of it as a medical device like an implanted
> pacemaker. It's to treat my Wattage Deficit Disorder.
I think you're really on to something here. Will the endless spam
promising "lists of doctors" tell me where I can get a TUE?
Mark J.
Andre
> On May 31, 5:48 pm, DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 31, 12:59 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 31, 12:29 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
>
> > > <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On May 31, 10:18 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I am going to side with the 'this may be happening' camp - Here's why
> > > > > I think it's possible
>
> > > > > The crowds drown out the noise of the motor.
>
> > > > > An extra few pounds or kilos on a bike really wouldn't make much of a
> > > > > difference in a flat race (see analytical cycling)
>
> > > > > Tactics would allow the user just the advantage to blow up his
> > > > > opponents at critical times in the race. They have to expel excess
> > > > > energy to counter the assisted move. Even a few of these moves would
> > > > > be enough to make a difference in top level riders.
>
> > > > > Lastly he could use the assist to solo home in the last few kilos or
> > > > > to motor pace himself up to speed and then milk that speed for some
> > > > > time, then repeat. No rider could keep up with.
>
> > > > > Watching the spring classics I was amazed at Cancellera's superhuman
> > > > > efforts but now I am thinking there's some doubt.
>
> > > > > I expect that winner's bikes will be inspected and even bikes being
> > > > > changed out at critical times will now be examined as well.
>
> > > > > Is there any depth these guys won't stoop to in order to win a race?
>
> > > > > It almost makes Armstrong's decades long record of cheating seem
> > > > > admirable.
>
>
> > > > Did you check out the video links in the "motorized doping" thread?
>
> > > > If the analysis is correct, he used the "assist" to get away. It looks
> > > > plausible.
>
> > > > If it's truem, there's only one penalty: lifetime ban. For the rider
> > > > and any others complicit. This goes way beyond doping.
>
> > > > thanks,
>
> > > > Fred. presented by Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > It was the realization that the crowds drown out the possible motor
> > > noise and then the relation of his effort to his pedaling and a mental
> > > comparison of all of the Eddy film archives that made me think this
> > > looks suspicious.
>
> > > I am going to check out the other videos- Hide quoted text -
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> > showing the race bike with the motor. It would be virtually impossible
> > to tell in a race setting if someone had this installed on their bike.
> > And you guys are right, with the crowd noise no one would ever hear
> > anything.
>
> > After seeing this I'd actually be surprised if it hasn't been used. I
> > can't make any determination as to Cancellara's hand movements - It
> > can be as simple as him going to shift but changing his mind. But it's
> > still plausible. Here it is for those who haven't seen the other
> > thread:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nd13ARuvVE
>
> > Yes Cancellara rides away in the saddle like he's on a motorcycle at
> > both Roubaix and the Ronde but we have seen this kind of dominant
> > performance before. Take a quick look - Do you remember this LBL
> > victory?
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT_PCiT1jTU
>
> > -DA74- Hide quoted text -
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> is as long as anyones.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Vandenbroucke_%28cyclist%29
>
> But otherwise a reasonable post.- Hide quoted text -
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Wouldn't they inspect the bike at the end of the race?
F. Kurgan Gringioni
"Andre" <orad...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:7d10a7d8-dabe-4dcb-802b->
> > Yes Cancellara rides away in the saddle like he's on a motorcycle at
> > both Roubaix and the Ronde but we have seen this kind of dominant
> > performance before. Take a quick look - Do you remember this LBL
> > victory?
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT_PCiT1jTU
>
> > -DA74- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The video headline says it all "died at 34" and the guy's drug list
> is as long as anyones.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Vandenbroucke_%28cyclist%29
>
> But otherwise a reasonable post.-
:: Wouldn't they inspect the bike at the end of the race?
Dumbass -
Before this new cheating paradigm, there'd be no reason to.
Betty Munro
>> The units are as follows:
>>
>> * "The Cavendish" - provides a single 1500 W assist for 20 seconds.
>> * "The Fabian" - provides a maximum 500 W assist for 20 minutes
>> * "The Floyd" - provides a 100 W assist for 4 hours
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
> You forgot to mention:
>
> * "The Chang" - provides a negative 100 W force for 4 hours
>
> or
>
> * "The Kveck" - provides a negative 2500 W force until 5 minutes after
> the race has begun
Not to mention the Prius model which supplies 3000 watts at random
intervals.
Brad Anders
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boardman-warned-the-uci-of-risks-of-bike-doping
"I sat at a meeting with the UCI last year and drew on the blackboard
exactly how this might work," Boardman told the Telegraph. "I showed
them some of the sophisticated boosting technology now available,
mainly from F1 teams, that can get a kilowatt out of a single AAA
battery."
I gotta get me some of those AAA's, they must be the CHRISStrong
brand. 667 A from a 1.5 V AAA is pretty damn good. Better yet, at
typical internal resistances of 0.08 ohm for an Li battery, these
puppies can shrug off 35KW of waste heat. That's kick-ass.
Brad Anders
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
> Did you see this wacko shit from Boardman?
>
>
> "I sat at a meeting with the UCI last year and drew on the blackboard
> exactly how this might work," Boardman told the Telegraph. "I showed
> them some of the sophisticated boosting technology now available,
> mainly from F1 teams, that can get a kilowatt out of a single AAA
> battery."
>
> I gotta get me some of those AAA's, they must be the CHRISStrong
> brand. 667 A from a 1.5 V AAA is pretty damn good. Better yet, at
> typical internal resistances of 0.08 ohm for an Li battery, these
> puppies can shrug off 35KW of waste heat. That's kick-ass.
Dumbass -
Maybe he meant one watt instead of a kilowatt.
Let's hope so.
If Boardman could get that sort of power out of a AAA, he could power
a car with a lunchbox sized power source. Dude would be worth a
trillion dollars.
Brad Anders
to prove it - nothing unusual.
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4415/Fabian-Cancellaras-so-called-motorized-doping-debunked.aspx
Brad Anders
dave a
I suppose that it is just a coincidence that the article was written by
Jered Gruber.
Keith
Good catch, I was also surprised by the minute details on the
seatpost...