Lemond
Brad Anders
B. Lafferty
> http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/05/20/2010-05-20_greg_lemond_believes_most_of_floyd_landis_statements_about_doping_in_cycling.html
This is interesting:
"In that lawsuit, LeMond subpoenaed Armstrong's ex-wife, Kristin
Armstrong, for a deposition in which she was asked if she ever saw her
ex-husband use performance-enhancing drugs. She did not answer, on
orders from her attorney, Tim Herman, who has represented Lance
Armstrong as well."
I suspect that Trek (and Armstrong) were facing a motion to compel
Kristen to answer the question, a motion that would likely be granted.
Tthen the case settled (after a judge ruled the case would go to trial)
and now it's all "confidential." Lovely.
I wonder why Herman direct his client not to answer if the answer was,
"I never saw or had any reason to believe that Lance was using any thing
improper for performance enhancement."
Keith
<pban...@gmail.com> wrote:
Go to the source :
http://greglemond.com/blog/floyd-landis-admits-doping-0520/
Doesn't everyone who follows cycling seriously believe pretty much
everything Landis has put on the public place ?
Keith
wrote:
Asking the question is answering it. It looks like she might be asked
again based on the Landis revelations...
B. Lafferty
She may be asked by a Federal investigator. That puts her in the
position of answering, refusing to answer or asserting a privilege such
as the 5th Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. If she
refuses to answer, she can always be called to give Grand Jury
testimony. If she refuses to answer there, it can lead to a contempt
finding and being held in jail until she answers the question, asserts a
privilege or negotiates for immunity from prosecution. They might even
just give the grant of immunity up front because she really isn't a
player in all of this with Lance.
As for Armstrong's trashing of Landis as a liar,that is to be expected.
There are lots of not nice people who's testimony results in findings
against people even though they stink themselves. Prisons are full of
them. That's not to say that at this point it's clear it will all go there.
The more interesting issue, IMO, is how the French authorities will now
act when Lance arrives for the Tour.
Keith
>>> Kristen to answer the question, a motion that would likely be granted.
>>> Tthen the case settled (after a judge ruled the case would go to trial)
>>> and now it's all "confidential." Lovely.
>>>
>>> I wonder why Herman direct his client not to answer if the answer was,
>>> "I never saw or had any reason to believe that Lance was using any thing
>>> improper for performance enhancement."
>>
>> Asking the question is answering it. It looks like she might be asked
>> again based on the Landis revelations...
>
>She may be asked by a Federal investigator. That puts her in the
>position of answering, refusing to answer or asserting a privilege such
>as the 5th Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. If she
>refuses to answer, she can always be called to give Grand Jury
>testimony. If she refuses to answer there, it can lead to a contempt
>finding and being held in jail until she answers the question, asserts a
>privilege or negotiates for immunity from prosecution. They might even
>just give the grant of immunity up front because she really isn't a
>player in all of this with Lance.
>
>As for Armstrong's trashing of Landis as a liar,that is to be expected.
> There are lots of not nice people who's testimony results in findings
>against people even though they stink themselves. Prisons are full of
>them. That's not to say that at this point it's clear it will all go there.
>
>The more interesting issue, IMO, is how the French authorities will now
>act when Lance arrives for the Tour.
Yes, I suspect a lot of immunity is going ot be granted to get to the
bottom of this. There was this story that she ha signed a "no tell"
deal when she got her divorce though. Not sure how being forced to
tesftify would impact that.
B. Lafferty
Steve Freides
No. Some of use are content with not having an opinion on a subject
about which we don't know very much.
Lemond conducts himself like a great, gaping rectal aperture. Whatever
he believes, I'd believe the opposite.
-S-
--D-y
> On 5/21/2010 4:31 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
>
>
> This is interesting:
>
> "In that lawsuit, LeMond subpoenaed Armstrong's ex-wife, Kristin
> Armstrong, for a deposition in which she was asked if she ever saw her
> ex-husband use performance-enhancing drugs. She did not answer, on
> orders from her attorney, Tim Herman, who has represented Lance
> Armstrong as well."
>
> I suspect that Trek (and Armstrong) were facing a motion to compel
> Kristen to answer the question, a motion that would likely be granted.
> Tthen the case settled (after a judge ruled the case would go to trial)
> and now it's all "confidential." Lovely.
>
> I wonder why Herman direct his client not to answer if the answer was,
> "I never saw or had any reason to believe that Lance was using any thing
> improper for performance enhancement."
Lemond = doper profile.
He knows he's safe from detection.
One of the photos showed him with a hopeful look, but no matter what
happens with Lance and Landis, he's never going to get that shining
place in bike history back.
If for no other reason than the fact that he fits the doper profile
<g>.
--D-y
B. Lafferty
K. Fred Gauss
We've done this discussion before. There was no doping back in the early
90's. And if there was, it didn't count.
F. Kurgan Gringioni
"Keith" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:vjvdv5hoci5k18i7m...@4ax.com...
>
> Yes, I suspect a lot of immunity is going ot be granted to get to the
> bottom of this.
<snip>
Dumbass -
No there isn't. For many reasons. The biggest one being that everything
happened in Europe. The US Attorneys won't do jack.
thanks,
Fred. presented by Gringioni.
Frederick the Great
"B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
The answer is a new concept for you:
It was none of their business.
--
Old Fritz
Betty Munro
> They might even just give the grant of immunity up front because she really isn't a
> player in all of this with Lance.
Will HIS mom also get immunity ?
B. Lafferty
Keith
<kgrin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Keith" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:vjvdv5hoci5k18i7m...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Yes, I suspect a lot of immunity is going ot be granted to get to the
>> bottom of this.
>
><snip>
>
>
>Dumbass -
>
>No there isn't. For many reasons. The biggest one being that everything
>happened in Europe. The US Attorneys won't do jack.
Come again, ever heard of Jeff Novitzky ? Now you have
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/similar-doping-charges-were-aired-in-2005-web-chat-by-former-armstrong-teammates/?scp=3&sq=landis&st=cse
--D-y
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythropoietin
Says epo was produced in the mid-80's, by 1985.
There have been other forms of doping.
HGH first produced synthetically in 1981:
http://www.somatropin.net/hgh-history.htm
"Here, take this nice big dose of amphetamine and tell me it doesn't
count".
In the "discussion we've had before", it has been disputed that an
"iron shot" would have effected the massive change in ability, where
Lemond was pack fodder in June and won the TdF in July.
"Fits the doper profile" is the salient point. Who knows if Greg even
knew what was put into his body? Still his responsibility.
--D-y
--D-y
B. Lafferty
K. Fred Gauss
So Lemond had access to EPO, had the same motive as LA and Landis (only
without any chance of being caught), and his performance fits the profile?
OK, I'm convinced. It's silly to believe Lemond was clean.
harg...@yahoo.com
> http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/05/20/2010-05-20_g...
Lemond's & Landis claims seem more like systemic guilt by inuendo..:(
Keith
wrote:
> > If for no other reason than the fact that he fits the doper profile
>> > <g>.
>> > --D-y
>>
>> We've done this discussion before. There was no doping back in the early
>> 90's. And if there was, it didn't count.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythropoietin
>
>Says epo was produced in the mid-80's, by 1985.
>There have been other forms of doping.
>
>HGH first produced synthetically in 1981:
>http://www.somatropin.net/hgh-history.htm
>
>"Here, take this nice big dose of amphetamine and tell me it doesn't
>count".
>
>In the "discussion we've had before", it has been disputed that an
>"iron shot" would have effected the massive change in ability, where
>Lemond was pack fodder in June and won the TdF in July.
Wrong, read Fignon's book, he recalls Guimard and him were worried
after Lemond won the final ITT in the Giro that year.
Uncle Dave
> http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/05/20/2010-05-20_g...
I always assumed Lemond must be doping because he was a yank and you
know what a cheating bunch they are. They even make their own
versions of perfectly good sports like rugby and cricket just so they
can be world champions in something...
UD
K. Fred Gauss
Lemond: Yes; Landis: No
Frederick the Great
"B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
When the facts are against you, and the law
is against you; then lie on the floor, kick
your feet, pound the floor with you little
fists, and scream.
--
Old Fritz
Michael Press
<d91cca07-ee29-412e...@r9g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
Uncle Dave <david...@t-online.de> wrote:
How _is_ that cricket thing going?
Pakistanis and Jamaicans still eating your lunch?
--
Michael Press
B. Lafferty
> In article<B6WdnT5CfIiXR2rW...@giganews.com>,
Uncle Dave
> In article
> <d91cca07-ee29-412e-8133-ba03e7af0...@r9g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
> Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > On May 21, 9:31 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/05/20/2010-05-20_g...
>
> > I always assumed Lemond must be doping because he was a yank and you
> > know what a cheating bunch they are. They even make their own
> > versions of perfectly good sports like rugby and cricket just so they
> > can be world champions in something...
>
> How _is_ that cricket thing going?
> Pakistanis and Jamaicans still eating your lunch?
England were crowned world champions just last week. Beat those damn
Aussies. Had to invent a new form of the game to do it mind...
UD
--D-y
> On Sat, 22 May 2010 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT), --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > If for no other reason than the fact that he fits the doper profile
> >> > <g>.
> >> > --D-y
>
> >> We've done this discussion before. There was no doping back in the early
> >> 90's. And if there was, it didn't count.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythropoietin
>
> >Says epo was produced in the mid-80's, by 1985.
> >There have been other forms of doping.
>
> >HGH first produced synthetically in 1981:
> >http://www.somatropin.net/hgh-history.htm
>
> >"Here, take this nice big dose of amphetamine and tell me it doesn't
> >count".
>
> >In the "discussion we've had before", it has been disputed that an
> >"iron shot" would have effected the massive change in ability, where
> >Lemond was pack fodder in June and won the TdF in July.
>
> Wrong, read Fignon's book, he recalls Guimard and him were worried
> after Lemond won the final ITT in the Giro that year.
Who says he waited to dope until the Giro was over? He was riding
poorly, with the TdF coming up...
So he and or his handlers opened up a 44 of Instant Fitness (New and
Improved!!!) and the product lived up to its advertising.
Doper profile doper profile doper profile.
--D-y
Michael Press
<38c1abbc-5ebe-46fc...@q8g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
Uncle Dave <david...@t-online.de> wrote:
The sun never sets. Good show.
--
Michael Press
F. Kurgan Gringioni
> On Fri, 21 May 2010 18:05:43 -0700, "F. Kurgan Gringioni"
> <kgrin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Keith" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:vjvdv5hoci5k18i7m...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> Yes, I suspect a lot of immunity is going ot be granted to get to the
>>> bottom of this.
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>
>>Dumbass -
>>
>>No there isn't. For many reasons. The biggest one being that everything
>>happened in Europe. The US Attorneys won't do jack.
>
> Come again, ever heard of Jeff Novitzky ? Now you have
Dumbass -
The Tour de France is a French race, owned by the French and it is held in
France.
There's this thing called "jurisdiction".
F. Kurgan Gringioni
"--D-y" <dusto...@mac.com> wrote in message news:38304729-5637-4e1e-8009-
>
> Who says he waited to dope until the Giro was over? He was riding
> poorly, with the TdF coming up...
> So he and or his handlers opened up a 44 of Instant Fitness (New and
> Improved!!!) and the product lived up to its advertising.
> Doper profile doper profile doper profile.
Dumbass -
Lemond was riding in the laughing group one day on a mountain stage, then
taking 2nd in the ITT a few days later.
B. Lafferty
>
> "Keith" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:el0gv5181kukjgcuv...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 18:05:43 -0700, "F. Kurgan Gringioni"
>> <kgrin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Keith" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:vjvdv5hoci5k18i7m...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I suspect a lot of immunity is going ot be granted to get to the
>>>> bottom of this.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dumbass -
>>>
>>> No there isn't. For many reasons. The biggest one being that everything
>>> happened in Europe. The US Attorneys won't do jack.
>>
>> Come again, ever heard of Jeff Novitzky ? Now you have
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> The Tour de France is a French race, owned by the French and it is held
> in France.
>
> There's this thing called "jurisdiction".
>
> thanks,
>
> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
sharing your thoughts.
B. Lafferty
>
> "Keith" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:el0gv5181kukjgcuv...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 18:05:43 -0700, "F. Kurgan Gringioni"
>> <kgrin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Keith" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:vjvdv5hoci5k18i7m...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I suspect a lot of immunity is going ot be granted to get to the
>>>> bottom of this.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dumbass -
>>>
>>> No there isn't. For many reasons. The biggest one being that everything
>>> happened in Europe. The US Attorneys won't do jack.
>>
>> Come again, ever heard of Jeff Novitzky ? Now you have
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> The Tour de France is a French race, owned by the French and it is held
> in France.
>
> There's this thing called "jurisdiction".
>
> thanks,
>
> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
linen belonging to Armstrong. The United States Anti-Doping Authority
has taken a different line and appointed the federal investigator Jeff
Novitzky to the case. Landis and Armstrong�s former wife are understood
to be co-operating. The choice of Novitzky is significant because if his
work in the infamous Balco case proved anything, it was that lying to
federal investigators is not a good idea.
If Novitzky concludes that US Postal did run a doping programme,
Armstrong and others could face charges. Through Tailwind Sports, the US
Postal team was funded by taxpayers� money. The penalties for misusing
such funds are draconian.
The Landis emails may have been but the first chapter in a story
destined to become far more interesting.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/cycling/article7133884.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2
Fred Flintstein
Dumbass,
Do you have the federal investigation from a credible source?
Dumbass?
Fred Flintstein
K. Fred Gauss
> The United States Anti-Doping Authority
> has taken a different line and appointed the federal investigator Jeff
> Novitzky to the case.
I'm trying to understand what you've typed here. Please clarify. This
reads as though the USADA has appointed an FBI investigator. What is the
mechanism for doing this?
I need to know because I've got this neighbor with dogs that bark ALL
THE FREAKING TIME. It would sure make my life easier if I could appoint
an FBI agent to investigate whether they're involved in illegal dog
fighting or something. I'm willing to accuse them of being underworld
crime kingpins, if that's what it takes.
Thanks,
K. Fred
K. Fred Gauss
In the final TT of the 1989 TdF, Lemond posted an average speed that
ranks with the best that Millar, Zabriskie, et. al. ever managed on more
modern equipment, with the benefit of wind tunnel testing, and with the
finest drugs anywhere. Now, how could Lemond have done that without
doping himself?
K. Keith Gauss
I don't know, K. Fred Gauss, you'll have to tell us since you're so
brilliant and know so much about bicycle racing history. And everything.
K. Fred Gauss
The answer is: He couldn't. Lemond must have been a doper, too.
K. Keith Gauss
Oh! I thought that might be it.
By the way, is it true that your schlong is 6 inches in diameter?
K. Fred Gauss
No, Keith, that's circumference. It's a common mistake to make.
H. Fred Kveck
Six inches in diameter, an inch and a half long (your K Vonnegut reference for the
day).
Fred Flintstein
Dumbass,
You have to cc: Jeff Novitsky on the email.
Fred Flintstein
B. Lafferty
Michael Press
<38c1abbc-5ebe-46fc...@q8g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
Uncle Dave <david...@t-online.de> wrote:
Hey! You guys are doing what you are scragging us for.
Now let's play "Spot That Quotation."
"...and it was not very wonderful that Catherine, who had
by nature nothing heroic about her, should prefer
cricket, baseball, riding on horseback, and running
about the country at the age of fourteen, to books ..."
--
Michael Press
Fred Fredburger
Oh. Maybe I will skip the FBI and just cc: Superman. Superman will kick
my neighbors ass!
Betty Munro
>>> I'm trying to understand what you've typed here. Please clarify. This
>>> reads as though the USADA has appointed an FBI investigator. What is
>>> the mechanism for doing this?
>>>
>>> I need to know because I've got this neighbor with dogs that bark ALL
>>> THE FREAKING TIME. It would sure make my life easier if I could
>>> appoint an FBI agent to investigate whether they're involved in
>>> illegal dog fighting or something. I'm willing to accuse them of being
>>> underworld crime kingpins, if that's what it takes.
Fred Flintstein wrote:
>> You have to cc: Jeff Novitsky on the email.
Fred Fredburger wrote:
> Oh. Maybe I will skip the FBI and just cc: Superman. Superman will kick
> my neighbors ass!
The mafia are cheaper.
Betty Munro
>> By the way, is it true that your schlong is 6 inches in diameter?
K. Fred Gauss wrote:
> No, Keith, that's circumference. It's a common mistake to make.
You need to present the volume integral for peer review.
B. Lafferty
servant to them for life.
K. Fred Gauss
"Breakfast of Champions"?
K. Keith Gauss
Sure, and Zabriskie, Millar, etc. never rode with a tailwind.
In the history of tailwinds there has never been a bigger tailwind than
Lemond's; in the history of dumbasses there has never been a bigger
dumbass than YOU!
Scott
Declarations from Cervelo and others re: how important an aerodynamic
frame is notwithstanding, the most important aspect of aerodynamics is
the rider themselves. It is widely reported that Lemond was about as
aero as anyone who's ever been tested. No particular reason to assume
that with a quality disc wheel and aero bars his position would result
in current day drag levels seen only with the best TT specialists.
Uncle Dave
> Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 22, 9:24 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <d91cca07-ee29-412e-8133-ba03e7af0...@r9g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 21, 9:31 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/05/20/2010-05-20_g...
>
> > > > I always assumed Lemond must be doping because he was a yank and you
> > > > know what a cheating bunch they are. They even make their own
> > > > versions of perfectly good sports like rugby and cricket just so they
> > > > can be world champions in something...
>
> > > How _is_ that cricket thing going?
> > > Pakistanis and Jamaicans still eating your lunch?
>
> > England were crowned world champions just last week. Beat those damn
> > Aussies. Had to invent a new form of the game to do it mind...
>
> Hey! You guys are doing what you are scragging us for.
> Now let's play "Spot That Quotation."
>
> "...and it was not very wonderful that Catherine, who had
> by nature nothing heroic about her, should prefer
> cricket, baseball, riding on horseback, and running
> about the country at the age of fourteen, to books ..."
My guess is that it's from a book.
UD
Michael Press
<b49dff2a-250e-4b12...@c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
Uncle Dave <david...@t-online.de> wrote:
Written about 1798-1799.
--
Michael Press