That's cycling
ilan
ride who asked me if I got home OK. That ride had been 100km, where I
rode the last 40 with 4 guys, I was the least fit and the long climb
shelled me. He asked me this question because they attacked me again
with 10km to go and I never saw them again after that. So, I had
prepared for his question and answered: "What do you care?" and then
explained that you don't ride 100km and attack someone in the last
10km. That's when he said: "That's cycling."
To that, I responded: "No, it's you," and tried to explain that such
things aren't accepted elsewhere. I only realized the depth of his
ignorance later. I realized that our little group of 10 would probably
be together for maybe 5km of a 80km ride. I went up and told him this,
and he didn't seem to understand. I pointed out that our group was at
this point in 4 parts and he said: "OK, so what's the problem?"
This rapidly deteriorating, because I also realized that the ride was
actually at the level of Paris Longchamp rides, the worst riding I've
ever seen, because of the same bizarre "shepherding" behavior, in
which some alpha males are designated pace setters, and any attempt to
speed up the group is ignored. That stuff really sets me off, so I
engaged in what was for them even more bizarre behavior: I would ride
past the lead guy going 1kph faster and when he wouldn't get on my
wheel, I would just ride next to him, asking why. When he ignored me,
I rode next to him sitting straight up no hands, trying to demonstrate
to him that his pace wasn't really appropriate. All this was ignored,
the other riders were in single file following this person and trying
to ignore me. Then I went to the front and coasted, and this really
set everyone off, anathema to slow the group down!
And so it went for 80km, no one ever pulls off, people go to the front
and ride as hard as they can in the hope that they can ride people off
their wheel, and so forth....
Now, I've been on worse rides before, and quite often in fact, but
what makes this one special is that it is a club ride, everyone is on
the same team, and I've also paid my dues. And for final confirmation
of the stupidity of this club, check out their website: http://www.cclittoral.ch/
-ilan
Anton Berlin
When I rode - I rode to my training plan and heart rate targets for
the day. Sometimes it was slower sometimes faster then others wanted
to go. For that reason it soon became much easier to train alone
except LSD sessions.
A. Dumas
> And for final confirmation of the stupidity of this club,
> check out their website: http://www.cclittoral.ch/
Clever domain name, though.
RicodJour
I'm getting visions of Dave Stoller trying to chat up the Cinzano team
in Breaking Away.
You're lucky you didn't get a pump in your spokes.
It's a group ride - unless you have a bunch of like minded people a
group ride is a democracy - stupid and sheep like.
BTW, it's a lot more effective to make a game out of things when
trying to convince people to do something, instead of hectoring them.
Remember what happened to Hector.
R
ilan
The voice of reason, though correct, is annoying.
The thing I find continually amazing is that this is Switzerland, so
all these guys did years of military service, where I thought the
point of boot camp was to teach people unit cohesion.
As usual, my behavior was more for myself, those antics let of some
steam. They also had the beneficial side effect that none of those
half-wits will talk to me again, so I'll be able to concentrate on my
research during future rides.
-ilan
Simply Fred
> check out their website: http://www.cclittoral.ch/
Damn I thought we finally had some porn on rbr again since h**2 isn't
providing any more. Anyway I thought clitorises would be too dirty for
use in Switzerland.
Fred Flintstein
You mean 'cclittorises'.
Fred Flintstein
ilan
> I'm getting visions of Dave Stoller trying to chat up the Cinzano team
> in Breaking Away.
> You're lucky you didn't get a pump in your spokes.
Not a chance of that happening, they all have mini pumps they don't
know how to use. In fact, they don't even know how to deal with flats:
3 weeks ago, a first flat took half an hour to get fixed, at one point
they took the inner tube to a lake to find the puncture. For the
second flat, I decided to take charge but discovered to my horror that
the "hectoree" from today's ride had already completely removed the
tire which was lying there on the floor. When I told him that you
actually leave the inner tube inside the tire so you can pump it up
and find where the puncture was and then examine the tire, he actually
admitted that this strange new technique told to him by an outsider
had its merit. I also explained that you don't need the little rings,
which they seemed to think were essential, and don't need the cap
either except maybe when storing the tube in the back. Since no one
knew how to use their mini pump, I used mine to pump the tire up. By
the way, everyone of these people has at least 30 years riding
experience.
-ilan
RicodJour
RicodJour
They're riding some damn good tires. What brand?
R
ilan
I didn't think of it that way. That must explain another highlight
from today's ride: approaching an intersection, there was an
unavoidable glass field and when we stopped, I was the only one to get
off the bike and carefully wipe off both tires.
-ilan
RicodJour
> On Apr 26, 1:06 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 25, 3:45 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > By the way, everyone of these people has at least 30 years riding
> > > experience.
>
> > They're riding some damn good tires. What brand?
>
> from today's ride: approaching an intersection, there was an
> unavoidable glass field and when we stopped, I was the only one to get
> off the bike and carefully wipe off both tires.
Broken glass, my ass. Now I know you're lying. Everyone knows that
Switzerland is so clean you could eat off the streets. You sure
you're not ducking the UCI and getting an OJ treatment (not the
murderer) from Ferrari somewhere not Switzerland?
R
Mike Jacoubowsky
news:7fc5c83f-45a0-4fca...@d26g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
OK, kinda puzzled why you ride with these guys. The incompatibilities are
obvious, and regardless of what it is that keeps them together, your voice
of reason and sanity isn't going to change them. The only thing you can
assuredly change is yourself, and since you don't want to be like them (who
would?) you just need to find others to ride with.
Is this ride advertised as a group ride or a take-no-prisoners event?
There's room for both types; just make sure you know which your'e on. Or am
I being overly simplistic here? I just see a group that most of us would
rather not ride with, that's alll.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
Anton Berlin
> unavoidable glass field and when we stopped, I was the only one to get
> off the bike and carefully wipe off both tires.
>
> -ilan
The glass fields are alive.... with the sound of hissing ?
(yeah yeah - I know that's in Austria )
ilan
wrote:
> "ilan" <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Yes, good point. Basically, there is a fast group where people ride
correctly and stay together because it's too fast for anyone to go off
the front or risk being gapped, I had a really good ride last week,
but they didn't show up today. So I ended up riding with these old
weak idiots who used to be young less weak idiots..... As to why I
ride with these guys, this is not the Bay Area where there were enough
rides to avoid the bad ones. Read this and be happy to live where you
do.
I've copied the rules for the ride given on their website below.
Basically, it says to ride together, and that the ride leader should
regularly go to the back to make sure there are no stragglers who may
get lost or definitively dropped. As I stated, the opposite is the
case. Two weeks ago, I totally lost it, because the ride leader got
bored waiting at a red light and decided to ride through, since I
waited, I had to chase to get back on. When I explained to him that
you don't run red lights when you're wearing your club jersey because
it gives witnessing motorists a negative image of the club, he just
laughed.
-ilan
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http://www.cclittoral.ch/forum/index.php
Dispositions à observer lors de nos sorties cyclos
Vu le grand succès de participation obtenu lors de nos dernières
sorties et afin que chacun (e) obtienne le plus
de satisfaction possible, certaine mesures se doivent d'être prises.
1. Il ne suffit pas de rouler, sans jamais s'occuper des cyclistes qui
sont à l'arrière du groupe. Chacun (e) devrait
régulièrement s'inquiéter et aider dans la mesure du possible à
l'homogénéité du groupe.
Pour ceux ou celles qui ne désirent pas rouler de temps à autre à
l'arrière du groupe, ils (elles) pourront trés
bien rouler lors nos classiques du mois de mars, là ils (elles)
rouleront par la force des choses à l'arrière.
2. Nous allons maintenant nous scinder en deux groupes (de nombre
égal). Dans chaque groupe il sera désigné
deux responsables de l'homogénéité du groupe. Ces deux responsables
devront définir le parcours à qui chacun (e)
pourra s'adresser. Autant dire que l'un des deux ou à tour de rôle
devra rouler à l'arrière du peloton. Le responsable
de la tête du groupe dirige le tempo et chacun (e) est tenu de
respecter ses consignes.
3. De plus je tiens à relever qu'en cette période de l'année chacun
(e) n'a pas le même degré de préparation. En
d'autres termes par votre comportement et votre allure, respectez la
discipline imposée afin que chacun (e)
y trouve son plaisir et ait l'envie de revenir à la prochaine sortie.
En conclusion chacun (e) doit apporter une bonne compréhension et un
état d'esprit de collaboration.
Frederick the Great
<7fc5c83f-45a0-4fca...@d26g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
ilan <ila...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Most memorable line of the day, told to me by a rider from Saturday's
> ride who asked me if I got home OK. That ride had been 100km, where I
> rode the last 40 with 4 guys, I was the least fit and the long climb
> shelled me. He asked me this question because they attacked me again
> with 10km to go and I never saw them again after that. So, I had
> prepared for his question and answered: "What do you care?" and then
> explained that you don't ride 100km and attack someone in the last
> 10km. That's when he said: "That's cycling."
>
> To that, I responded: "No, it's you," and tried to explain that such
> things aren't accepted elsewhere.
Never complain. Never explain.
Frag their tiny little minds.
--
Old Fritz
Frederick the Great
<3635910e-99b0-4097...@u15g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
ilan <ila...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The voice of reason, though correct, is annoying.
>
> The thing I find continually amazing is that this is Switzerland, so
> all these guys did years of military service, where I thought the
> point of boot camp was to teach people unit cohesion.
Boot camp teaches self discipline and self reliance
to those who have the capacity to develop them.
Only then can you have unit cohesion.
--
Old Fritz
William Fred
8d70-ad5...@w36g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
>
> Stop being so litoral.
>
It is somewhat ironic that a club named cclittoral really pushes Ilan's
buttons. There's a lesson in there for us, but I'm not sure I want to
know what it is.
If it were me, I would ride at the back and go "stroke ... stroke ...
stroke ..." like a coxswain. If people asked why, I would say "Given the
name, I thought it might make you all ride harder." Admittedly though, I
don't get invited back to a lot of group rides.
--
Bill Fred
A. Dumas
> Since no one
> knew how to use their mini pump, I used mine to pump the tire up. By
> the way, everyone of these people has at least 30 years riding
> experience.
It's Switzerland, where cycle paths are sweeped regularly & diligently:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/willj/5574468433/
Simply Fred
> It is somewhat ironic that a club named cclittoral really pushes Ilan's
> buttons. There's a lesson in there for us, but I'm not sure I want to
> know what it is.
>
> If it were me, I would ride at the back and go "stroke ... stroke ...
> stroke ..." like a coxswain. If people asked why, I would say "Given the
> name, I thought it might make you all ride harder." Admittedly though, I
> don't get invited back to a lot of group rides.
Cclittori are super-motivating.
Simply Fred
> Most memorable line of the day, told to me by a rider from Saturday's
> ride who asked me if I got home OK. That ride had been 100km, where I
> rode the last 40 with 4 guys, I was the least fit and the long climb
> shelled me.
Dumbass,
Pull or get dropped.
Steve Freides
I'm with you on this one. When I used to do the regular Saturday ride
in my part of the world, no one stopped - except me. I would pull over
if I saw someone struggling with a changing a flat tire, even if they
weren't from our ride, but the guys you rode with were right in what
they said - what you saw is the way cycling is 99% of the time, and that
aspect of it stinks. _If_ absolutely hammering themselves on this one
day was a critical piece of their competitive training, that's one
thing, but I'm sure it wasn't and that it's simply that they enjoying
hammerfests.
-S-
Ben Trovato
So you're in the vicinity of Yverdon, at the south end of the Lac de
Neuchâtel. Thus, going clockwise starting roughly at 6 o'clock,
you're surrounded by the Gros de Vaud, the Jura vaudois, the Jura
neuchatelois, the Seeland, the Emmental, the Alpes fribourgeoises, the
Gruyere. You've got medieval towns like Estavayer-le-lac, and the
Roman ruins at Payerne, you can push a little further to Lausanne and
the Riviera vaudoise, or even Interlaken on a long day ride. Not
mentioning how far you can go if you're willing to hop the train
back. If it were me, I'd just appreciate the fact that I was in one
of the great cycling regions of the world, and go for long rides by
myself instead of playing the Franco-american schmuck for the locals.
Feh.
A. Dumas
> So you're in the vicinity of Yverdon, at the south end of the Lac de
> Neuchâtel. Thus, going clockwise starting roughly at 6 o'clock,
> you're surrounded by the Gros de Vaud, the Jura vaudois, the Jura
> neuchatelois, the Seeland, the Emmental, the Alpes fribourgeoises, the
> Gruyere. You've got medieval towns like Estavayer-le-lac, and the
> Roman ruins at Payerne, you can push a little further to Lausanne and
> the Riviera vaudoise, or even Interlaken on a long day ride. Not
> mentioning how far you can go if you're willing to hop the train
> back. If it were me, I'd just appreciate the fact that I was in one
> of the great cycling regions of the world, and go for long rides
Inspiration: http://www.cycling-challenge.com/
Frederick the Great
"A. Dumas" <alex...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
Ghey: <http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3347/4627926662_9c3edefddf.jpg>
--
Old Fritz