Contador said...
leeanderson
urine "three hours after eating" the flesh on this date. The UCI understands
what happened and that is a clear case of food contamination, incomparable
with any other case of clenbuterol. Because I was leading the race, and this
is in my favor, I passed controls every day and after day 21, the level
dropped and the next day did not appear..."
"...The amount detected was so low that it is impossible to provide unless
there is food contamination and this amount doesn't enhance the performance,
it is not good for anything, any expert can confirm"
Can we believe this? I'm confused...
l.a.
Ryan Cousineau
wrote:
Without hearing from the UCI, this is virtually no information at all:
I simply say that out of a cynical observation that many positive
testees initially make plausible-sounding excuses, and most of them
turn out to be hogwash.
There have been a few cases where riders had their excuses upheld to
some extent: a reversed sanction here or there, Petacchi getting only
6 months (and Wikipedia says primarly for protesting his innocense)
instead of the usual 2 years, but with no other info than Contador's
positive and his subsequent excuse, I'd bet a modest sum (at even
odds) on him getting sanctioned rather than cleared.
Again, this is without reference to any theories about Contador's
character. I didn't even know this was asthma medication (with an off-
label weight-loss effect!) until I looked it up, and I haven't even
read a news report about the positive result yet. I'm proposing a
blind bet.
Steve Freides
Further reading about clen says it's widely used in Europe in animals to
increase muscle, effectively increasing the amount of meat that can be
sold. A food-born contamination doesn't seem totally unlikely.
It'd be interesting to test the general population for clen and see what
shows up - if Contador's numbers are common, then food is believable as
a likely source. Let's exclude bodybuilders from this test, though. :)
-S-
raamman
if it is such a small amount, why should it be an issue ? I seem to
recall that most east europeans and scandanavians have traces of
fallout from chernobyl but it is such miniscule quantity that it can
really only be seen in a slightly higher statistical rate for cancer
amongst the population- the point being that if they really look for
something they might find it in the environment but it in no way would
suggest the person gained any benefit. if the quantity is below a
threshold level ( I think I read ACs was 400 times below) then it
shouldn't mean anything at all.
Mike Jacoubowsky
news:i829kt$dt...@cesio.mundo-r.com...
Contador's team is doing its best to put words in the UCI's mouth, and
gently paint them into a corner. Good strategy.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
Plano Dude
Daniel Plaza, race walker
Drug: Nandrolone
Explanation: The Olympic gold medal winner provoked prurient giggles
around the world with his explanation for a failed test at the 1996
Spanish championships. He insisted that small amounts of the steroid
entered his body as he performed oral sex on his pregnant wife.
Result: Pregnant women do produce nandrolone naturally and Plaza did
eventually clear his name – albeit 10 years after testing positive.
Brad Anders
wrote:
> Can we believe this? I'm confused...
How many stories have we heard over the past decade that turned out to
be utter bullshit? Furthermore, there have been dozens of examples
where people have tested positive, have come up with credible,
supported explanations on the why/how, yet have still be sanctioned
because the code doesn't differentiate between intentional and
unintentional use of doping products. I don't see how Contador's
mythical "dope steak" is going to save him, unless the powers-that-be
decide to cut a deal to prevent this debacle from proceeding.
Brad Anders
Fred Flintstein
What would be totally cool is if they docked him 10 minutes and
let it go at that. Clenbuterol is a retro drug, they should assess
a retro penalty.
Fred Flintstein
Brad Anders
wrote:
Hey, I have no problem with the concept of making up sanctions on-the-
fly. IMO, Contador should have to knock his chain off on a major climb
in next year's TdF and stand there for at least 36 seconds before
doing anything.
Brad Anders
bar
I hereby nominate this as POTM for 'mythical dope steak' ... i rarely
lol ... but this got me ...
Fred
hey, wait... I thought clen was banned in Europe, but perhaps could've
been found in meat raised in Asia? What's the real deal?
Fred
There is no threshold for clenbuterol. Because it's not naturally
produced in the body, the 'threshold' for clenbuterol is: any at all
= positive, none at all = negative.
The '400 times below' you talk about is that the findings were 400
times below what labs are typically expected to be able to detect if
they want to be certified. Unfortunately for AC, his sample was sent
to the one lab in the whole stinking world that could detect the
clenbuterol in his blood at that concentration.
Steve Freides
I'd have to look it up again, but I believe it's banned for animal use
in the US but not in Europe.
-S-
Fredmaster of Brainerd
The great thing is, this would have the same
effective result (A. Schleck wins TdF) without all
the frickin' melodrama.
Fredmaster Ben
A. Dumas
> The '400 times below' you talk about is that the findings were 400
> times below what labs are typically expected to be able to detect if
> they want to be certified.
40x, not 400x. UCI press release was wrong.