Are you fucking kidding me?
Anton Berlin
year. It might have been the toughest grand tour in history and AC
barely broke a sweat while shredding the rest of them. Once iit
heads uphill he'll have no problem taking it out on the peloton.
I hate the little motherfucker but only a crash or a positive test
will keep him from winning.
Scott
I'm with you on this one...
Sure, AC didn't win any of the uphill finishes in the Giro, but he was
always there gaining maximum time while gifting the stages to someone
else. He could've won the Giro by 20 minutes if he'd wanted to, IMO.
Sure, the competition in the Tour is a bit tougher, but I think he'll
make up his almost two minute deficit in the first or second day in
the mountains.
The only guy who'll stay with him is Horner. ;-)
Zenon
.
.
Wrong. A positive test will not keep him from winning. What were you
thinking? He was positive last year and he still won.
.
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RicodJour
>
> Sure, AC didn't win any of the uphill finishes in the Giro, but he was
> always there gaining maximum time while gifting the stages to someone
> else. He could've won the Giro by 20 minutes if he'd wanted to, IMO.
> Sure, the competition in the Tour is a bit tougher, but I think he'll
> make up his almost two minute deficit in the first or second day in
> the mountains.
a). A lot tougher.
b). Why didn't you go with "he could've won by an hour"?
c). The Giro took more out of Contador than you think.
> The only guy who'll stay with him is Horner. ;-)
Agreed. I'd love to see a mano a mano with Horner and AC at the end
of a mountain finish. No one would expect Horner to win, so the
pressure would be off.
Now if Bob Martin will update his Favorites list to include Horner all
will be right with the world.
R
Anton Berlin
> .
> Wrong. A positive test will not keep him from winning. What were you
> thinking? He was positive last year and he still won.
> .
> .
And we have a winner ~ !
NoDannyNo
Right. A little sauce with his steak and he'll be right back in the
race.
Michael Press
<9990b6a1-913d-40a1...@s2g2000vbw.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Phil and Paul are not there to explain the realities
of the race, they are there to promote, so when they
repeat that AC only won by 37 seconds last year it
should not be taken to mean that that is the maximum
he could have managed.
AC must be seething with rage. Riis is a smart cookie.
This is going to be fun.
--
Michael Press
--D-y
Nyuck nyuck.
Moooo... so much better than the Dog Defense.
--D-y
Bob Martin
>On Jul 4, 11:33=A0am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sure, AC didn't win any of the uphill finishes in the Giro, but he was
>> always there gaining maximum time while gifting the stages to someone
>> Sure, the competition in the Tour is a bit tougher, but I think he'll
>> make up his almost two minute deficit in the first or second day in
>> the mountains.
>
>a). A lot tougher.
>b). Why didn't you go with "he could've won by an hour"?
>c). The Giro took more out of Contador than you think.
>
>
>Agreed. I'd love to see a mano a mano with Horner and AC at the end
>of a mountain finish. No one would expect Horner to win, so the
>pressure would be off.
>
>Now if Bob Martin will update his Favorites list to include Horner all
>will be right with the world.
Well, he hasn't earned it, but since you ask so nicely ... ;-)
Randall
may encourage others to attack him on the flats. I did notice that AC
looked very exhausted when he was warming up for the team TT. So we
are going see how AC does in the flats. Assuming that AC is not tired
by the time he reaches the mountains then he should probably be fine.
Simply Fred
He does however have a giro in his legs this year.
Simply Fred
> Nyuck nyuck.
I remember cycling through there on the way to Bear mountain way back
when I lived in NY.
RicodJour
Woot! You are a scholar and a gentleman, Bob! Thanks.
BTW, Horner is just shy of 40. ANYONE riding the Tour at 40 should be
a favorite!
Think about it - WWJD? What Would Jens Do? ;)
R
RicodJour
Yep, AC really showed them today when it turned uphill. He spent more
time looking behind him then in front. I guess he was just toying
with them, huh? Sheesh. He couldn't out sprint Cadel.
R
atriage
Randall
hold his own on the flats at least for now.
Frederick the Great
<a572f0ca-9d58-4d01...@g9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <rico...@aol.com> wrote:
He did out sprint Cadel. Did you see how quickly
he made up 1 1/2 bike lengths while Evans was at maximum?
--
Old Fritz
RicodJour
> RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 4, 10:27 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Anyone that thinks AC's deficit is an issue didn't watch the Giro this
> > > year. It might have been the toughest grand tour in history and AC
> > > barely broke a sweat while shredding the rest of them. Once iit
> > > heads uphill he'll have no problem taking it out on the peloton.
>
> > > I hate the little motherfucker but only a crash or a positive test
> > > will keep him from winning.
>
> > Yep, AC really showed them today when it turned uphill. He spent more
> > time looking behind him then in front. I guess he was just toying
> > with them, huh? Sheesh. He couldn't out sprint Cadel.
>
> He did out sprint Cadel. Did you see how quickly
> he made up 1 1/2 bike lengths while Evans was at maximum?
Sorry, Greg, the virtual finish line rule is no longer in effect.
AC did not just show a chink in his armor today, he showed that he
left his gauntlets and greaves at home. This did not go unnoticed.
BTW, what was with all of the flats today? It seemed like ten percent
of the peloton flatted. Shades of Tyler's Tubulars in The Team Time
Trial!
R
Frederick the Great
<35dcc4eb-01f6-488f...@q15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <rico...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 9:24 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 4, 10:27 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Anyone that thinks AC's deficit is an issue didn't watch the Giro this
> > > > year. It might have been the toughest grand tour in history and AC
> > > > barely broke a sweat while shredding the rest of them. Once iit
> > > > heads uphill he'll have no problem taking it out on the peloton.
> >
> > > > I hate the little motherfucker but only a crash or a positive test
> > > > will keep him from winning.
> >
> > > Yep, AC really showed them today when it turned uphill. He spent more
> > > time looking behind him then in front. I guess he was just toying
> > > with them, huh? Sheesh. He couldn't out sprint Cadel.
> >
> > He did out sprint Cadel. Did you see how quickly
> > he made up 1 1/2 bike lengths while Evans was at maximum?
>
> Sorry, Greg, the virtual finish line rule is no longer in effect.
We are not talking about who crossed the line first.
We are talking about AC's sprint versus CE's sprint.
AC nuked him. Look at the replay again.
> AC did not just show a chink in his armor today, he showed that he
> left his gauntlets and greaves at home. This did not go unnoticed.
AC is not cooked yet. I say he makes up that 100 seconds on Evans
and the Schlecks.
> BTW, what was with all of the flats today? It seemed like ten percent
> of the peloton flatted.
Water is a lubricant. Flint and glass that would bounce
off a tire in the dry, slices straight in when all is
wet. When we still did wet chemistry we learned to
cut rubber hose wet. I want to know how Feillu got his
derailleur into his spokes.
--
Old Fritz
Scott
Don't be obtuse. You know damn well that today's "uphill" wasn't the
sort of uphill that matters, and while he didn't outsprint Cadel he
did outsprint everyone else, to include Gilbert and Hushovd and
Vinokourov, all people pretty well known for their uphill sprinting
abilities (well, maybe not Hushovd). The fact that AC didn't lose
time was impressive enough, contesting the sprint was a big sign of
his intentions to prove a point.
RicodJour
> In article
> <35dcc4eb-01f6-488f-bb9d-df734fbef...@q15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
>
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> RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 9:24 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jul 4, 10:27 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Anyone that thinks AC's deficit is an issue didn't watch the Giro this
> > > > > year. It might have been the toughest grand tour in history and AC
> > > > > barely broke a sweat while shredding the rest of them. Once iit
> > > > > heads uphill he'll have no problem taking it out on the peloton.
>
> > > > > I hate the little motherfucker but only a crash or a positive test
> > > > > will keep him from winning.
>
> > > > Yep, AC really showed them today when it turned uphill. He spent more
> > > > time looking behind him then in front. I guess he was just toying
> > > > with them, huh? Sheesh. He couldn't out sprint Cadel.
>
> > > He did out sprint Cadel. Did you see how quickly
> > > he made up 1 1/2 bike lengths while Evans was at maximum?
>
> > Sorry, Greg, the virtual finish line rule is no longer in effect.
>
> We are not talking about who crossed the line first.
> We are talking about AC's sprint versus CE's sprint.
> AC nuked him. Look at the replay again.
>
> > AC did not just show a chink in his armor today, he showed that he
> > left his gauntlets and greaves at home. This did not go unnoticed.
>
> AC is not cooked yet. I say he makes up that 100 seconds on Evans
> and the Schlecks.
This is what makes a race. Granted, it's far from over, but today's
revelations could not but help encourage AC's competition and give
another knock to AC's confidence. I think it's shaping up to be a
wonderful Tour.
> > BTW, what was with all of the flats today? It seemed like ten percent
> > of the peloton flatted.
>
> Water is a lubricant. Flint and glass that would bounce
> off a tire in the dry, slices straight in when all is
> wet. When we still did wet chemistry we learned to
> cut rubber hose wet. I want to know how Feillu got his
> derailleur into his spokes.
Oh. I thought water was a solvent and maybe the tires were
melting. ;)
R
RicodJour
> On Jul 5, 9:27 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 4, 10:27 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Anyone that thinks AC's deficit is an issue didn't watch the Giro this
> > > year. It might have been the toughest grand tour in history and AC
> > > barely broke a sweat while shredding the rest of them. Once iit
> > > heads uphill he'll have no problem taking it out on the peloton.
>
> > > I hate the little motherfucker but only a crash or a positive test
> > > will keep him from winning.
>
> > Yep, AC really showed them today when it turned uphill. He spent more
> > time looking behind him then in front. I guess he was just toying
> > with them, huh? Sheesh. He couldn't out sprint Cadel.
>
> sort of uphill that matters, and while he didn't outsprint Cadel he
> did outsprint everyone else, to include Gilbert and Hushovd and
> Vinokourov, all people pretty well known for their uphill sprinting
> abilities (well, maybe not Hushovd). The fact that AC didn't lose
> time was impressive enough, contesting the sprint was a big sign of
> his intentions to prove a point.
I'm sorry - perhaps we were watching different races. AC was not
dominant, a number of people were easily able to stay with him, the
grimacing on his face clearly indicated he was not toying with anybody
(other than your and Fred Fritz's minds), his lack of support, etc.,
etc.
I agree - he had intentions to prove a point. Only problem was that
he failed at making that point and made another one that did not go
unnoticed. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. He's not
cooked, but he got a bit of a basting today.
R
Brad Anders
> In article
> <35dcc4eb-01f6-488f-bb9d-df734fbef...@q15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Channeling Jobst, I see.
Scott
Hey, I never said he was going to dominate today. Sure, a number of
people stayed with him. One guy even beat him. Just keep in mind,
today was not a day for AC. It was a 2km climb at the end of a stage
that was tailor-made for the single most dominant one-day racer this
year (Gilbert, in case you can't figure out who I'm referring to), a
guy who clearly wanted to win the stage today, and AC beat HIM in the
sprint.
You can believe that today's performance should bolster his opponents'
confidence if you wish, but we'll just have to agree to disagree.
If I were a betting man, I'd bet that starting on stage 12, AC will be
handing out daily ass whoopings.
Randall
But since AC was unable to win on the hill it may give some indication
of his climbing form. The other fact is that since AC is injured than
this can only add to the pressure on him.
Michael Press
<7ae1e0b4-1a8b-4a9d...@d8g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Randall the Top Poster <randall...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's hard to draw any firm conclusions about AC's form at this point.
> But since AC was unable to win on the hill it may give some indication
> of his climbing form. The other fact is that since AC is injured than
> this can only add to the pressure on him.
Watch what happens in the Pyrenees, then get back to us.
> On Jul 5, 7:50 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 9:27 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 4, 10:27 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Anyone that thinks AC's deficit is an issue didn't watch the Giro this
> > > > year. It might have been the toughest grand tour in history and AC
> > > > barely broke a sweat while shredding the rest of them. Once iit
> > > > heads uphill he'll have no problem taking it out on the peloton.
> >
> > > > I hate the little motherfucker but only a crash or a positive test
> > > > will keep him from winning.
> >
> > > Yep, AC really showed them today when it turned uphill. He spent more
> > > time looking behind him then in front. I guess he was just toying
> > > with them, huh? Sheesh. He couldn't out sprint Cadel.
> >
> > > R
> >
> > Don't be obtuse. You know damn well that today's "uphill" wasn't the
> > sort of uphill that matters, and while he didn't outsprint Cadel he
> > did outsprint everyone else, to include Gilbert and Hushovd and
> > Vinokourov, all people pretty well known for their uphill sprinting
> > abilities (well, maybe not Hushovd). The fact that AC didn't lose
> > time was impressive enough, contesting the sprint was a big sign of
> > his intentions to prove a point.
--
Michael Press
Scott
> It's hard to draw any firm conclusions about AC's form at this point.
> But since AC was unable to win on the hill it may give some indication
> of his climbing form. The other fact is that since AC is injured than
> this can only add to the pressure on him.
>
Either you can draw conclusions or you can't. AC's inability to beat
Evans, but to beat everyone else, is a clear indication that he is
capable of beating uphill sprint specialists on their own terrain, if
he chooses to try. That was a HILL, not a mountain finish. He
wasn't, or at least shouldn't have been, expected to destroy people on
that stage. If on stage 12 or following mtn stages he can't show any
true climbing dominance, then I'll change my opinion/expectation.
Until then, beating everyone except for Evans on that stage will be
taken by me as a very, very positive sign.
I understand that haters gotta hate, so you go on and rag on AC if you
must, but I'm not seeing any evidence whatsoever that he shouldn't be
expected to dominate later in the Tour when it goes into the
mountains. I'm not a fan of AC, so it pains me in a sense to say
that I expect that over the next couple of weeks we're probably going
to see even more evidence to support the conclusion that he is the one
clear dominant GT rider of his generation.
Randall
that AC would have a better chance of dominating if had attacked at
the bottom of the final climb. So chances are AC was trying to
preserve his resources until the mountains.
thirty-six
> In article
> <35dcc4eb-01f6-488f-bb9d-df734fbef...@q15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Obviously a failure to fit a pie plate. The dual pivot modern
derailleur is flawed in design. A failure in the top spring, debris
or a stiff link in the chain brings the derailleur cage crashing into
the sprockets. Despite the Suntour design working both accurately and
fast, Campagnolo's Nouvo Record would continually be chosen due to
it's unsurpassed reliability. The removal of the derailleur from
general inventory was a sad day.
With a half-step setup the single pivot derailleur is superior in
function and reliability to the dual pivot/slant parallelogram
design. It't only the fashion for wide-spaced chainrings which has
forced the use of the dual pivot derailleur.
Be safe, if you use a dual pivot derailleur, fit a pie plate to your
spokes. It wont prevent all accidents but it might just stop the
worst smashing your teeth in.