dumbass,
maybe you should wonder about what a big dick you are.
Jackass -
He didn't do that at all.
He thinks maybe it was a factor, but he really didn't know.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
It's a god point though. Before the latest set of drugs scandals -
i.e. those which blew up just before the millenium - I remember
remarking to my wife on how odd it was that so many top cyclists that
I read about in my youth and who rode in the 50s and 60s were dying
off. I wondered then whether drugs had something to do with it.
Buggered if I'd trade in years off the end of my life for fame in my
youth, but then I've never been a top sportsman...
UD
It might have more to do with being French and eating certain food and
drinking. Interesting that Jacques A. dies of stomach cancer and
Fignon's started as intestinal cancer. Anyone know how French stomach
cancer rates compare to other European countries?
True. I checked the the Euro stomach cancer rates and France is quite
low on the list. Lithuania was number one--Sweden and Norway at the bottom.
The French tend to eat a lot of undercooked or even raw meat.
They also eat a lot of horsemeat, sometimes so fresh and undercooked
that you can see where the jockey was whipping it in the 3:30 that
afternoon at the Hippodrome. ;)
Likewise I remember Larry having bouts of Tapeworm during his career.
But here is a site that might help if you browse around
http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/cancerstats/types/oesophagus/incidence/index.htm
And Larry was A Parsien - like a Northern resident
--
Davey Crockett
Curious that LeMond made no mention of Fignon's drug use-
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lemond-remembers-fignon. Talks about what a
great friend and champion he was. Fignon, near as I can tell, never
renounced doping, just admitted to it.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
> Likewise I remember Larry having bouts of Tapeworm during his career.
Laurent had a tapeworm I believe I read somewhere, years ago.
:: It's a god point though. Before the latest set of drugs scandals -
:: i.e. those which blew up just before the millenium - I remember
:: remarking to my wife on how odd it was that so many top cyclists that
:: I read about in my youth and who rode in the 50s and 60s were dying
:: off.
Dumbass -
It's been discussed here many times how much of a red herring that is.
The average looks low because the guys who are gonna live till they're 95
aren't factored in yet.
Dumbass -
Ullrich should've done that strategy. Ingest a few tapeworms, get the weight
down while eating as much as he wants, then remove the tapeworms right
before the TdF.
Dumbass,
It was the 1988 Tour. And tapeworms don't do that.
Fred Flintstein
Most cyclists are too stupid to even think, so I doubt they are capable
of wondering about anything.
Magilla
I think Lemond felt it unnecessary to trample on a man's grave during what is
a time of grieiving and great pain for Fignon's wife and children.
Where's your soul, brother?
Magilla
Ah, forgive me, I bow to the conscience of rbr.
But seriously, Fignon raised the question himself in his book regarding his
illness and doping. It would hardly be a slam to his family to bring up the
idea that Fignon did raise the question, a question which ultimately might
make for a safer environment for future generations. That's a hopeful
message. But nothing.
Ie don't eat at a Lithuanian McDonalds.
WADA would ban tapeworms.
How do you know Lemon D won't bring it up in the near future? Perhaps Lemon D
didn't bring it up because he felt there was no definitive correlation to Filet
Mignon's death and his doping use over 2 decades ago?
Magilla
Well, yeah, obviously. I wasn't looking at statistics, just names.
I've noticed a similar trend in rugby league. Purely anecdotal,
though it would be interesting to see how it pans out. Interesting,
and too late to do anything for future generations...
UD
Symptoms of Taeniasis: Diarrhea, anorexia, nausea, vomiting, *anal
itching*, colic, ascites, headaches and weight loss are common symptoms
of having tapeworms. With severe infections hives, fever and convulsions
can also occur. Sometimes they embed in the tissues causing intestinal
nodules or cysts in the skin, lung or liver. An animal or human with a
tapeworm may also have a craving for salt. The tapeworms also compete
with the organism for Vitamin B 12, so slight anemia can occur. Seen
under a microscope, the red blood cells are immature looking and darker
in color than mature red blood cells.
http://www.naturalhealthtechniques.com/specificdiseases/tapeworms_files/tapeworms.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/hymenolepis/factsht_hymenolepis.htm
Beef tapeworms can cause anal itching . See p. 346, right column, second
full paragraph.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=20&ved=0CDwQFjAJOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pharmj.com%2Fpdf%2Fcpd%2Fpj_20060916_parasiticworm.pdf&rct=j&q=tapeworm%20itching&ei=k8d-TJ6ILYP98Ab-kq3SAw&usg=AFQjCNEgLp1MPsdzTxqGxZxGSfNQ3GoC-w&cad=rja
In the past, he couldn't help himself. Perhaps this is a significant event,
Greg entering a new stage in his life where he feels more secure about his
place in the cycling community. Maybe he feels that he's been vindicated by
public opinion (regarding Lance) so he's got that monkey off his back.
But I keep coming back to the fact that Greg knows he raced against a
confessed doper and it's no big deal. Could it be because he beat Fignon?
Would things have been very different had Fignon won in 1989?
No no no...Lemon D only made a correlation to active riders dying in their
sleep due to EPO use. I don't ever recall him making a correlation to doping
and cancer - not even in Lance's case.
> Perhaps this is a significant event,
> Greg entering a new stage in his life where he feels more secure about his
> place in the cycling community. Maybe he feels that he's been vindicated by
> public opinion (regarding Lance) so he's got that monkey off his back.
I think it has more to do with Fignon saying "everyone doped" and Lemon D not
wanting to touch that with a 10-foot pole (or an 11-foot Italian).
>
>
> But I keep coming back to the fact that Greg knows he raced against a
> confessed doper and it's no big deal. Could it be because he beat Fignon?
> Would things have been very different had Fignon won in 1989?
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
Lemon D is a hypocrite when it comes to Fignon - no question about it. Not
sure why but it probably has to do with Fignon only won 2 Tours and had no
chance of eclipsing him in U.S. sponsors (i.e. Trek, etc.). Now that he is
dead Lemon D has even less incentive to beat him down.
Magilla
> But I keep coming back to the fact that Greg knows he raced against a
> confessed doper and it's no big deal. Could it be because he beat Fignon?
> Would things have been very different had Fignon won in 1989?
I'd say it's because Fignon wasn't American. LemonD goes after the Americans whom
perform well (i.e. win the Tour) on the international stage. He goes after guys whom
disturb his concept (or conceit) of "Greg LemonD is ***the*** greatest American
bicycle racer *ever*."
hmmm!
I wonder if ingesting bloated leeches could be the way out for blood doping
?
bjt
It's because Greg feels good about using aero bars to beat a superior
racer.
It's because Greg has (apparently) absolutely not one shred of
humility about his luck of the draw IRT The Holy VO2.
It's because Greg is a selfish, arrogant prick who cares only about
#1-- and being #1 in the Public Hall of Fame, USA division.
It might even be because Greg knows he doped and got away with it and,
unlike at least one prime adversary, will continue to get away with it
forever.
Pick your heroes and your parents carefully.
--D-y
Perhaps because the epo era hadn't started, so the doping had
relatively little effect on results compared to epo and transfusions?
Francesco Moser would disagree with your timeline.
And just a reminder, transfusions for Moser were as legal as
EPO for Fignon (and Lemond).
Fred Flintstein
True, even as far back as the 1984 us olympic team. But they weren't
legal by 1988. Even if they weren't detectable.
Eddy Planckaert would disagree with your timeline regarding EPO
becoming illegal. I'm pretty sure it wasn't banned until the mid 90s.
Fred Flintstein
Absolutely-fuckin-right.