The People Damaged and Defamed by Armstrong & Co.
truth...@yahoo.com
Steffan Prentis, Emma O'Reilly. The list of good people smeared to
maintain the myth is endless. These folks should sue for defamation
even though it will not bring back much of what they lost to this
lying moron from Plano. The people in the cancer community who look
up to him are the most violated victims. To use their cancer to help
build his myth and cover up his life of lies is despicable.
Anton Berlin
wrote:
Where there's money and a lying cunt there will be lawyers. Lance
will be back with pa Gunderson drinking sterno soon enough.
Mike Jacoubowsky
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I'll give you some slack when including the anciallary figures in this
case, but Frankie, Floyd & Tyler? C'mon, there's no personal
responsibility in your world? These guys all made a choice. Nobody
forced them to dope themselves, nobody forced them to stay in a vocation
in which it appears, from their own stories, that the only way you could
win or even be competitive was to dope. And there remains a shocking
lack of forensic evidence so far. It will be interesting, if we get to
see the Grand Jury testimony, to see if the various stories all line up,
or if it has remained a lot of individual stories but no two of them
supporting the same event.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
truth...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> <truthita...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Dude, he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars and and implied that
they've committed perjury.
I hope a few of these folks get together and sue his Plano ass for
defamation and business interference (some of them).
Fred Flintstein
> Dude, he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars and and implied that
> they've committed perjury.
Dumbass,
Calling them liars does not imply a claim of perjury. May I
remind you that you're not an attorney and shouldn't claim
knowledge in this area.
F
Mike Jacoubowsky
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On May 21, 11:18 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> <truthita...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:dbb529ec-e2f7-425d...@a7g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Greg, Frankie, Betsy, Floyd, Tyler, Christophe, Filipo, David, Pierre,
> > Steffan Prentis, Emma O'Reilly. The list of good people smeared to
> > maintain the myth is endless. These folks should sue for defamation
> > even though it will not bring back much of what they lost to this
> > lying moron from Plano. The people in the cancer community who look
> > up to him are the most violated victims. To use their cancer to help
> > build his myth and cover up his life of lies is despicable.
>
> I'll give you some slack when including the anciallary figures in this
> case, but Frankie, Floyd & Tyler? C'mon, there's no personal
> responsibility in your world? These guys all made a choice. Nobody
> forced them to dope themselves, nobody forced them to stay in a vocation
> in which it appears, from their own stories, that the only way you could
> win or even be competitive was to dope. And there remains a shocking
> lack of forensic evidence so far. It will be interesting, if we get to
> see the Grand Jury testimony, to see if the various stories all line up,
> or if it has remained a lot of individual stories but no two of them
> supporting the same event.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Dude, he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars and and implied that
they've committed perjury.
I hope a few of these folks get together and sue his Plano ass for
defamation and business interference (some of them).
So it's only the last one standing who has any accountability? These guys,
by popular account, have been lying and making upstories FOR YEARS. Now
suddenly they've changed their tune, saying they're telling the truth now,
they were lying before when they denied various allegations against each of
them. What makes Lance's liability in lawsuits and/or personal credibility
in general any different from the rest of them?
And then there's Floyd. You really want to bring him up in the same
paragraph as "honorable" people? Floyd continued to make up stories (lie)
after his big confession. Some people cannot help themselves. Maybe Floyd
*was* treated like a second-class citizen when working for Lance. But he
can't help but make up fictional stories that sound like they could have
happened, to bolster his claims. Specifically, as I said before, Floyd was
not riding "old" equipment that was any different from what anyone else on
the team was riding. Floyd continued to spew nonsense long after his
"confession."
How much nonsense from others? I don't know. But I think it unlikely that a
low-level mafia grunt would be able to successfully sue his boss for libel,
and that might be what we're looking at here. It could be a bunch of
now-repentent mafia grunts, but I think that's a distinction without legal
merit.
Regarding the case in general, as I said elsewhere, what will give
credibility to the "Lance is a lying doper" line will be one or both of the
following-
#1: Forensic evidence, which has been amazingly lacking so far, at least
what we know of. Maybe there will be a big surprise the week before the TdF.
#2: Grand Jury testimony from multiple sources documenting the same event
the same way. So far, we have many people each with their own separate Lance
doping tale. What we don't seem to have are even two people documenting the
same event, despite the fact that Lance was typically around more than just
one person when these things are said to have happened. If it turns out that
we do have such testimony, then it's pretty much case-closed for the
Lance-is-clean camp.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
truth...@yahoo.com
wrote:
FuckTard, as an attorney, I can tell you that Mr. Lance will be
defaming his former teammates who are telling the truth, if he
actually calls them liars. He's really close to the line now by
attacking their motives and brining up their past lies. And if he
actually calls them liars, then he is also calling them perjurers as
well---actionable. And the Uniballer won't be able to use truth as his
absolute defense. Now, please go back under your personal rock and
jack off some more before amusing us further.
truth...@yahoo.com
What drugs are you using, MIke?
--D-y
wrote:
> FuckTard, (snip snip snip)
Brian?
> Now, please go back under your personal rock and
> jack off some more before amusing us further.
Yup.
--D-y
Mike Jacoubowsky
news:170a97c8-5985-4526...@e8g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
> What drugs are you using, MIke?
Triple-shot venti mocha. Should have been a double-shot grande. Better yet
something from Main Street Coffee rather than *bucks.
But why not just answer the two questions I asked? Tell me why they're not
reasonable. Or that they're already been answered. So far we continue to see
regurgitation of the same stuff, over and over and over, as if reprinting
multiple stories of the same person saying the same thing somehow makes it
more credible. Here they are again-
#1: Forensic evidence, which has been amazingly lacking so far, at least
what we know of. Maybe there will be a big surprise the week before the TdF.
#2: Grand Jury testimony from multiple sources documenting the same event
the same way. So far, we have many people each with their own separate Lance
doping tale. What we don't seem to have are even two people documenting the
same event, despite the fact that Lance was typically around more than just
one person when these things are said to have happened. If it turns out that
we do have such testimony, then it's pretty much case-closed for the
Lance-is-clean camp.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
<truth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:170a97c8-5985-4526...@e8g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
truth...@yahoo.com
>
> > What drugs are you using, MIke?
>
> Triple-shot venti mocha. Should have been a double-shot grande. Better yet
> something from Main Street Coffee rather than *bucks.
>
> But why not just answer the two questions I asked? Tell me why they're not
> reasonable. Or that they're already been answered. So far we continue to see
> regurgitation of the same stuff, over and over and over, as if reprinting
> multiple stories of the same person saying the same thing somehow makes it
> more credible. Here they are again-
>
> #1: Forensic evidence, which has been amazingly lacking so far, at least
> what we know of. Maybe there will be a big surprise the week before the TdF.
>
> #2: Grand Jury testimony from multiple sources documenting the same event
> the same way. So far, we have many people each with their own separate Lance
> doping tale. What we don't seem to have are even two people documenting the
> same event, despite the fact that Lance was typically around more than just
> one person when these things are said to have happened. If it turns out that
> we do have such testimony, then it's pretty much case-closed for the
> Lance-is-clean camp.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
I'm thinking maybe you swallowed the worm a few nights ago.
Substance McGravitas
> Dude, he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars and and implied that
> they've committed perjury.
> I hope a few of these folks get together and sue his Plano ass for
> defamation and business interference (some of them).
I hate to break it to you, but Tyler and Floyd ARE liars.
truth...@yahoo.com
Of course they are. That doesn't mean they are incapable of tell the
truth. It seems the Feds are going to have a lot of corroborating
evidence. Lance will do time on this one and his dance card will be
filled to the rim.
Fredmaster of Brainerd
wrote:
Quoted above, first you say that
"he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars"
and then you say
"Mr. Lance will be defaming his former teammates who are
telling the truth, if he actually calls them liars. He's really
close
to the line now by attacking their motives and brining up their
past lies ..."
You can't even keep your own story straight. Is he in trouble
for calling them liars, or is he in trouble because he will
call them liars? Did you, as an attorney, recommend that they
pre-emptively sue him now for what he will say in the future?
I mean, the best defense is a good offense, they always say.
Your legal theory that LANCE is close to a legal line by
bringing up [acknowledged] past lies of someone he wishes
to impugn is very creative. LANCE may be up shit creek without
an innertube, and maybe deservedly, but if he actually gets
successfully sued for making a factually true statement, I'll buy
you a hand-carved commemorative soapbox.
Fredmaster Ben
DirtRoadie
wrote:
OK. They are liars. Let's go with that. So if Lance calls them liars
he's telling the truth AND he's defaming them? Interesting theory.
DR
Substance McGravitas
I'm just saying that you shouldn't get your panties in a bunch if Tyler
and Floyd are called liars. Because they are.
Whether Lance will do time or not remains to be seen. I'm not sure who's
getting charged with what. All the stories in the media are focused on
the fact that Lance cheated. Big deal, should come as no surprise to
anyone. I'm more interested in knowing if they found a paper trail or
financial records and who was or wasn't implicated there. That stuff is
too boring to write a newspaper column about but more important when
you're trying to prove ... fraud?
Fred Flintstein
William R. Mattil
>
> Of course they are. That doesn't mean they are incapable of tell the
> truth. It seems the Feds are going to have a lot of corroborating
> evidence. Lance will do time on this one and his dance card will be
> filled to the rim.
OK Brian, I'll play along with your delusion.
What *exactly* is Lance going to be doing time for ? Don't be a candy
ass. man up and tell us exactly what "crime" he has committed that can
be proven. And before you start with the "obstruction of justice"
nonsense, you have no idea at all as to what he actually testified to,
if indeed anything. So therefore you can definitively say that he can be
tried for that.
And while you and Anton are messing up your Jizz rags with this, He
doped. Get over it. It's not worth the bother or the taxpayers dollars
in pursuing this.
Bill
--
William R. Mattil
Frederick the Great
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> It will be interesting, if we get to
> see the Grand Jury testimony, to see if the various stories all line up,
> or if it has remained a lot of individual stories but no two of them
> supporting the same event.
A telling point. The prosecution
might have to do some work reconciling the accusations.
--
Old Fritz
Frederick the Great
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> If it turns out that
> we do have such testimony, then it's pretty much case-closed for the
> Lance-is-clean camp.
That part does not matter. The fun part is the
overheated Keystone Kops chasing after Him and falling
all over each other.
--
Old Fritz
Frederick the Great
<423812a5-f2f8-4896...@a7g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
"truth...@yahoo.com" <truth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 5:25 pm, Substance McGravitas <F...@Burger.com> wrote:
> > On 5/21/2011 9:24 AM, truthita...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > > Dude, he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars and and implied that
> > > they've committed perjury.
> > > I hope a few of these folks get together and sue his Plano ass for
> > > defamation and business interference (some of them).
> >
> > I hate to break it to you, but Tyler and Floyd ARE liars.
>
> Of course they are. That doesn't mean they are incapable of tell the
> truth.
A documented, serial liar saying the sun rises in the east
is not necessarily telling the truth.
--
Old Fritz
Mike Jacoubowsky
>>>I'm thinking maybe you swallowed the worm a few nights ago.
Don't think of it as a "worm." Think of it as an rbr decoder enhancer.
Still waiting for you to respond to the points I made.
Simply Fred
>>>> I'm thinking maybe you swallowed the worm a few nights ago.
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> Don't think of it as a "worm." Think of it as an rbr decoder enhancer.
Ah, a babelworm.
Simply Fred
> A documented, serial liar saying the sun rises in the east
> is not necessarily telling the truth.
Depends what planet he's from.
Simply Fred
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