I Don't Care What You Say...
Uncle Dave
his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
tell - making sure Farrar couldn't get through. WTF was Farra doing
trying to go through the inside FFS? I know you yanks are nothing if
not partisan at suporting your boys, but Garmin really don't have a
clue at all in these sprints, leastwise not those that I've seen...
UD
Kurgan Gringioni
"Uncle Dave" <david...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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: HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys. Not only did Renshaw deliver
Dumbass -
It's not just this year.
They were clueless last year too.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Fred Flintstein
Partisan?
Check out last year's sprint in Paris:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frdU3_aKZNs
Hincapie the Yank overpowers Millar the Brit. This is key
because it puts Renshaw the Aussie in a position to chop
Dean's Kiwi ass. At that point it is over for Farrar, who
cannot even come around Cav's leadout guy.
And if anyone said anything nasty during that last kilo,
all parties would have understood it. How cool is that!
Anyone that appreciates a good chop should enjoy watching
the HTC leadout train.
Fred Flintstein
Amit Ghosh
> HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys. Not only did Renshaw deliver
> his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
> tell -
dumbass,
renshaw just got kicked out of the tour for his riding.
Keith
Yes and while no one mentioned it (Aldag did hint at it), Julian Dean
was clearly going off his line to the left, too bad Renshaw thought it
useful to head-butt him though, as a result he's been expelled !
Uncle Dave
Commissaires American are they?
I must say I'm not surprised. Presumably for the post handbags switch
which was in the last 200 rather than the handbags episode itself?
UD
Uncle Dave
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:41:04 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Dave
>
I should have read this before I replied to old Ghost Bollocks'
posting. I'm surprised. That was six of one and half a dozen of the
other. I could see why they might complain about him crowding out
Farrar as he came off the front, but I thought they were both equally
at fault there. Dean definitely was trying to push Renhaw towards the
barriers which was why Renshaw retaliated. OTOH, you could read it
that Renshaw wanted to keep that line and leaning on Dean was an
unfair way of doing it. Jeez, there have been far worse things
happening in the sprints than that, some really nasty switches in the
last 200 for example.
UD
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
> On Jul 15, 5:51 pm, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:41:04 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Dave
>
> > <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
> > >HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys. Not only did Renshaw deliver
> > >his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
> > >tell - making sure Farrar couldn't get through. WTF was Farra doing
> > >trying to go through the inside FFS? I know you yanks are nothing if
> > >not partisan at suporting your boys, but Garmin really don't have a
> > >clue at all in these sprints, leastwise not those that I've seen...
>
> > >UD
>
> > Yes and while no one mentioned it (Aldag did hint at it), Julian Dean
> > was clearly going off his line to the left, too bad Renshaw thought it
> > useful to head-butt him though, as a result he's been expelled !
>
> I should have read this before I replied to old Ghost Bollocks'
> posting. I'm surprised. That was six of one and half a dozen of the
> other. I could see why they might complain about him crowding out
> Farrar as he came off the front, but I thought they were both equally
> at fault there. Dean definitely was trying to push Renhaw towards the
> barriers which was why Renshaw retaliated.
<snip>
Dumbass -
I agree.
The thing with Dean was normal since Dean was going to pinch him, but
Dean only had maybe 6 inches on him so he head butted.
Renshaw was wrong w/ the Farrar closeout though. Leadout guys
shouldn't be chopping other teams' sprinters once they're done with
their work.
Amit Ghosh
> On Jul 15, 5:51 pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 15, 11:41 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > > HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys. Not only did Renshaw deliver
> > > his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
> > > tell -
>
> > dumbass,
>
> > renshaw just got kicked out of the tour for his riding.
>
> Commissaires American are they?
>
whatev, i'm not american. the chief commissaire is probably martin
bruin (it was last year), who is a very reasonable guy.
> I must say I'm not surprised. Presumably for the post handbags switch
> which was in the last 200 rather than the handbags episode itself?
comes with the turf. anyone who takes part in bunch sprints will have
to do somewhat dicey things and once in a while they will get
penalized. that why the commissaires are there - to make the judgment
call.
if you remember our exchanges a few months ago, one of the things i
said i didn't like about sprints was the goonery.
--D-y
Well, I saw it as the guy in the center of the barroom floor clearing
some space for himself.
A little too much for the commissaire(s) I guess, but Dean's move
needed to be dealt with in no uncertain terms, for the moment and for
the future.
Remember when they finally figured out that Abdoujaparov was a little
tiny guy and started dealing with his ass? (nope, didn't like his
dangerous style one bit)
He got DQ'd at Gent-Wevelgem in '92 IMS for taking his hand off the
bars in a move that was not going to bother Cipo-- IOW, they were
waiting for him to do something they could hook him for.
Which I feel bears on this DQ somehow-- Cav has apparently failed
(repeatedly) the "attitude test".
Well, now we're going to see, I hope, another dimension of the Manx
Missile.
I guess I'm a fanboy of the boyracer <g>.
--D-y
Carl Sundquist
I don't have a problem with the head butts. Contrary to the statement
from the race director, both riders were both stable and handling
their bikes and themselves well. However, the race official is not an
official and should not have any input on the matter. It shouldn't
have been considered as more than a little 'argy-bargy". Perhaps the
number of injuries in the Tour so far (caused by entirely different
circumstances, of course) has made the officials a little more gun shy
than they would be otherwise.
That said, if Renshaw was going to get penalized for something, it
should have been the way he obviously and blatantly shut the door on
Farrar. But even that shouldn't have merited a removal from the race.
But what penalty would have been suitable? Cav didn't do anything
wrong so you can't relegate his points. Renshaw doesn't care about his
placing or time. Most fines are pittances. Getting DSQ from the race
was too harsh for the infraction.
Frederick the Great
<b6322fe9-a68f-4d48...@d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Uncle Dave <david...@t-online.de> wrote:
You deliberately ignore George Hincapie
when he was on Columbia last year.
Remember the chop block on Avenue des Champs-Élysées?
--
Old Fritz
Kurgan Gringioni
"Carl Sundquist" <carl.su...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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:: That said, if Renshaw was going to get penalized for something, it
:: should have been the way he obviously and blatantly shut the door on
:: Farrar.
Dumbass -
Agreed.
As for the head butt - why didn't he just elbow flick Dean? It would've been
more subtle and worked better.
Anton Berlin
>
> As for the head butt - why didn't he just elbow flick Dean? It would've been
> more subtle and worked better.
>
> thanks,
>
> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
These fags are ballet dancers. Sprinting next to Abdoujaparov was
like sharing rabbit with a Tasmanian Devil
Henry
>
> - Show quoted text -
being a staunch kiwi supporter, I couldn't agree more.
Far too harsh a penalty; smacks of politics
Henry
It's because it was a liverpool kiss. Agree with others that an elbow
or shoulder (which I assume could actually be much more dangerous)
would probably have just got a "tut tut" from the officials
Anton Berlin
falure to change the routes. It only took me one time riding down one
of those mossy wet forest roads to know they're not to be messed with.
Keith
Gringioni." <kgrin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>The thing with Dean was normal since Dean was going to pinch him, but
>Dean only had maybe 6 inches on him so he head butted.
>
>Renshaw was wrong w/ the Farrar closeout though. Leadout guys
>shouldn't be chopping other teams' sprinters once they're done with
>their work
Yes I had missed that during the race but in replays it's really bad,
he couldn't get away with both these issues.
TheCoz
What is it with you guys. First, you bitch and moan about Cavendish
not getting more reprimanded enough for is run in with Haussler on
stage 10 Tour de Sussie.
Renshaw tries to force feed his helmet to Dean and you say he should
be told to stand in the corner for a while and then continue racing.
This is bicycle racing, not rugby.
Coz
DA74
wrote:
> "Uncle Dave" <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote in message
These are both correct assessments