Mark Renshaw
Uncle Dave
proper races a priority, just these long, lazy, summer promenades
designs to fill otherwise empty media airtime ;-)
But, jeez, he is one of the best lead-out men I've seen and I've seen
a few...
UD
S Perryman
In days of yore, one of the good pilot fish in the late 1970s for the great
Freddie Maertens, was a young team mate named ... Sean Kelly.
Perhaps Renshaw should take note.
Regards,
Steven Perryman
Brad Anders
All great, no doubt. Renshaw is impressive, not only does he have the
speed, he's sharp on his positioning, aggressive, and not easily
intimidated. Combined with similar traits from Cavendish it makes a
hard combo to beat.
Garmin looks to have some very fast guys (Dean, etc.), but they come
off as boobs in the last 500 m. If they can get it right, I'd really
like to see Ferrar and Cavendish go at it in the last 200 m on an
equal footing.
Brad Anders
Fred Gringioni
"Brad Anders" <pban...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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:: All great, no doubt. Renshaw is impressive, not only does he have the
:: speed, he's sharp on his positioning, aggressive, and not easily
:: intimidated. Combined with similar traits from Cavendish it makes a
:: hard combo to beat.
::
:: Garmin looks to have some very fast guys (Dean, etc.), but they come
: off as boobs in the last 500 m. If they can get it right, I'd really
:: like to see Ferrar and Cavendish go at it in the last 200 m on an
:: equal footing.
Dumbass -
Garmin's fucked it up so many times. Today, they had 4 vs. 2 in the last
kilo with turns and they still botched it.
They need to hire a world class coach, someone who was a master of sprint
tactics at the top level. Cavendish and his gang have Zabel, who does Garmin
have?
Is Vaughters the climber trying to call their leadout tactics? Doesn't
really matter. Whomever is doing it is doing a shit job of teaching them
(assuming they have any teaching/coaching going on at all).
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Uncle Dave
wrote:
> "Brad Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Yeah, with about 300 metres or so to go, three of them were off the
front by a few bike lengths and although that's not a great deal it
should have been used to their advantage. Renshaw was hindered
slightly by the third rider dropping back, but not enough ;-) I just
love to watch a good lead out man at work, it sure is purty :-)
UD
Amit Ghosh
wrote:
> Dumbass -
>
> Garmin's fucked it up so many times. Today, they had 4 vs. 2 in the last
> kilo with turns and they still botched it.
>
> They need to hire a world class coach, someone who was a master of sprint
> tactics at the top level. Cavendish and his gang have Zabel, who does Garmin
> have?
>
> Is Vaughters the climber trying to call their leadout tactics? Doesn't
> really matter. Whomever is doing it is doing a shit job of teaching them
> (assuming they have any teaching/coaching going on at all).
dumbass,
you are guilty of some armchair quarterbacking (we all are).
renshaw has the power (and skill, but mainly power) to hold a position
and move up in the finale. plus cavendish has the speed to finish it
off, which makes everyone on his team look good.
Fred Gringioni
"Amit Ghosh" <amit....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Dumbass -
They weren't able to get it together. The first two guys were leading out
Renshaw, Hunter was off to the side trying to coax Farrar onto his wheel and
Farrar was sitting back on Cav's wheel.
They should've all been lined up in a row, either that or have Farrar in
third position with the last guy sweeping Renshaw off in the turn. Take that
inside line and touch the brakes just a bit, open the gap up to Farrar, kill
the momentum of Renshaw/Cav.
With two left handers right before the sprint, having the numbers allows you
to do all sorts of creative stuff. Garmin just botched it.
Frederick the Great
"Fred Gringioni" <soulinth...@gmail.com> wrote:
They are clean. Is that not good enough for you?
--
Old Fritz
Frederick the Great
<fef14dd5-e180-43eb...@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Uncle Dave <david...@t-online.de> wrote:
It is good for you that the gila monster is not posting.
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Old Fritz
Betty
>> Is Vaughters the climber trying to call their leadout tactics?
>> Doesn't really matter. Whomever is doing it is doing a shit job of
>> teaching them
> They weren't able to get it together. The first two guys were leading out
> Renshaw, Hunter was off to the side trying to coax Farrar onto his wheel and
> Farrar was sitting back on Cav's wheel.
>
> They should've all been lined up in a row, either that or have Farrar in
> third position with the last guy sweeping Renshaw off in the turn. Take that
> inside line and touch the brakes just a bit, open the gap up to Farrar, kill
> the momentum of Renshaw/Cav.
>
> With two left handers right before the sprint, having the numbers allows you
> to do all sorts of creative stuff. Garmin just botched it.
Perhaps h**2 needs to give Farrar some coaching.
Uncle Dave
> In article
> <fef14dd5-e180-43eb-ab5a-f188b1353...@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
No, it's good for him.
UD
Frederick the Great
<fed5ac4e-4a83-49a2...@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Uncle Dave <david...@t-online.de> wrote:
Awright.
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Old Fritz
Ronko
ba8367...@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, amit....@gmail.com
says...
he set the whole thing up with perfect position and Cavendish knew when
to go. Is Cavendish the fastest? Certainly he has the quickest acceleration,
at least he did yesterday getting about 3/4s bike length on Farrar very
quickly. But after that they were in a dead heat. Was Farrar 100%? Was
Cavendish going at 100%? No way to determine. Right now Cavendish is
winning the most, and in large part to Renshaw's excellent work.
Uncle Dave
> In article
And don't you forget it either.
UD
Uncle Dave
> In article <e4a52bee-19dc-4a02-86b0-
> ba8367db0...@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, amit.gh...@gmail.com
You don't think the fact that he's bike lengths faster than everyone
else over the last 150 metres has anything to do with it then?
UD
A. Dumas
> On Jul 11, 5:10 am, Ronko wrote:
>> Look closely at Renshaw's lead-out yesterday, it was impressive. Basically
>> he set the whole thing up with perfect position and Cavendish knew when
>> to go. Is Cavendish the fastest? Certainly he has the quickest acceleration,
>> at least he did yesterday getting about 3/4s bike length on Farrar very
>> quickly. But after that they were in a dead heat. Was Farrar 100%? Was
>> Cavendish going at 100%? No way to determine. Right now Cavendish is
>> winning the most, and in large part to Renshaw's excellent work.
>
> You don't think the fact that he's bike lengths faster than everyone
> else over the last 150 metres has anything to do with it then?
He isn't. Ronko was right: after the initial acceleration off Renshaw's
wheel, Cav and Farrar (with his broken wrist) had the same speed.
RicodJour
Last year he was - he'd ride away from everybody in the sprints. Not
this year. He's still fast, just not as fast, and the mythical Manx
magic no longer intimidates people.
Plus George isn't there.
R
H. Fred Kveck
RicodJour <rico...@worldemail.com> wrote:
I wonder if any of his problems in the first few sprint stages had anything to do
with his problems at the Tour de Suisse. As in: holding back because he didn't want
to end up in a similar situation (i.e. an enormous pile of riders with everyone
hating on him).
Frederick the Great
<cd7fbb25-a804-4892...@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Uncle Dave <david...@t-online.de> wrote:
Forget what?
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Old Fritz
Ronko
$32...@cache6.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, alex...@dumas.fr says...
speed, acceleration means going from a slower to that faster speed. Cav out
accelerated Farrar, jumping the 3/4 bike length. Then it was even and
Farrar looked to be gaining slightly. Absolute speed and acceleration are
two different terms.
Uncle Dave
> In article <57a79$4c39a561$53578816
> $3...@cache6.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, alexan...@dumas.fr says...
Yadda yadda. He was behind. He was in front. He stayed there.
Whichever term you want to use, that makes him faster. If he's put in
the right position inside the last 200 he will usually win. If he
isn't delivered right, then he probably won't win. Of course,
sprinting isn't only down to speed, but when Renshaw gets it right so
does Cavendish. I don't see any of the other teams able to do that so
far in this Tour, certainly not Garmin. No that I care too much
either way - it's just a summer jaunt between the real races...
UD
thirty-six
No. It's the protection that Renshaw gives. Without R,, C would be
pushed all over the road and wouldn't stand a chance. Do a scissor
action on the pair at 500 and C is goosed.