Rudy Pévenage Quotes
Brad Anders
""I want to make it clear that at the time, I never had the feeling
that I was doing anything wrong. I knew a lot of Fuentes clients,
including some good riders who rode the Tour in 2006. Everyone knew.
It was a normal thing to do.""
"Pévenage claims Ullrich decided to work with Fuentes because he was
under huge pressure to try and beat Armstrong."
""The rivalry pushed us to give it everything to try and beat him,"
Pévenage told L'Equipe. "With all the money he earned, Jan could not
afford to be beaten. He was stressed out by the pressure and even put
on weight because of that. Stress poisoned his career.""
For the past two decades, riders have done what was required to be
competitive at a top GC level in a grand tour. Pévenage and Ullrich
were sloppy (outlined in the article) and got caught. The smarter ones
managed their activities and associations more carefully. Regardless,
they <all> were doing the same things, essentially resulting in a
level playing field for the top riders.
Is this a desirable situation? Of course not. It sucks. But it's
reality, and no amount of testing is going to rid the sport of doping.
It's something that cycling is going to have to live with and figure
out how to co-exist with for the foreseeable future.
Brad Anders
Keith
<pban...@gmail.com> wrote:
>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pevenage-confesses-to-operacion-puerto-involvement-1
>
>""I want to make it clear that at the time, I never had the feeling
>that I was doing anything wrong. I knew a lot of Fuentes clients,
>including some good riders who rode the Tour in 2006. Everyone knew.
>It was a normal thing to do.""
>
>"Pévenage claims Ullrich decided to work with Fuentes because he was
>under huge pressure to try and beat Armstrong."
I was right, LA's organized doping, as documented by Landis, forced
Ullrich into "heavy" doping, I'm guessing following the 2004 tour that
came as a huge disappointment after he was pretty stolen victory in
2003.
Fred Flintstein
> I was right, LA's organized doping, as documented by Landis, forced
> Ullrich into "heavy" doping, I'm guessing following the 2004 tour that
> came as a huge disappointment after he was pretty stolen victory in
> 2003.
Yeah, starting out in the East German system didn't do it.
Starting his Tour career on the same team as Mr 60% didn't
do it.
It was LANCE!! If we had 30 years experience watching the
Tour like you do we'd have all seen that.
Fred Flintstein
TheCoz
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:18:41 -0700 (PDT), Brad Anders
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pevenage-confesses-to-operacion-puert...
>
> >""I want to make it clear that at the time, I never had the feeling
> >that I was doing anything wrong. I knew a lot of Fuentes clients,
> >including some good riders who rode the Tour in 2006. Everyone knew.
> >It was a normal thing to do.""
>
> >under huge pressure to try and beat Armstrong."
>
> I was right, LA's organized doping, as documented by Landis, forced
> Ullrich into "heavy" doping, I'm guessing following the 2004 tour that
> came as a huge disappointment after he was pretty stolen victory in
> 2003.
>
> >""The rivalry pushed us to give it everything to try and beat him,"
> >afford to be beaten. He was stressed out by the pressure and even put
> >on weight because of that. Stress poisoned his career.""
>
> >For the past two decades, riders have done what was required to be
> >were sloppy (outlined in the article) and got caught. The smarter ones
> >managed their activities and associations more carefully. Regardless,
> >they <all> were doing the same things, essentially resulting in a
> >level playing field for the top riders.
>
> >Is this a desirable situation? Of course not. It sucks. But it's
> >reality, and no amount of testing is going to rid the sport of doping.
> >It's something that cycling is going to have to live with and figure
> >out how to co-exist with for the foreseeable future.
>
> >Brad Anders
Who's to say Lance wasn't pressured to one-up Ullrich, and dope too?
Coz
RicodJour
>
> Who's to say Lance wasn't pressured to one-up Ullrich, and dope too?
He 7-Up'd him.
R
Betty
>> Who's to say Lance wasn't pressured to one-up Ullrich, and dope too?
RicodJour wrote:
> He 7-Up'd him.
7-Up beats mineral water on most days.
B. Lafferty
Frederick the Great
Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:18:41 -0700 (PDT), Brad Anders
> <pban...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pevenage-confesses-to-operacion-puerto-involvement-1
> >
> >""I want to make it clear that at the time, I never had the feeling
> >that I was doing anything wrong. I knew a lot of Fuentes clients,
> >including some good riders who rode the Tour in 2006. Everyone knew.
> >It was a normal thing to do.""
> >
> >"Pévenage claims Ullrich decided to work with Fuentes because he was
> >under huge pressure to try and beat Armstrong."
>
> I was right, LA's organized doping, as documented by Landis, forced
> Ullrich into "heavy" doping, I'm guessing following the 2004 tour that
> came as a huge disappointment after he was pretty stolen victory in
> 2003.
It still hurts, doesn't it.
--
Old Fritz
Mike Jacoubowsky
news:hr6c36dbe80d1el6o...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:18:41 -0700 (PDT), Brad Anders
> <pban...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pevenage-confesses-to-operacion-puerto-involvement-1
>>
>>""I want to make it clear that at the time, I never had the feeling
>>that I was doing anything wrong. I knew a lot of Fuentes clients,
>>including some good riders who rode the Tour in 2006. Everyone knew.
>>It was a normal thing to do.""
>>
>>"Pévenage claims Ullrich decided to work with Fuentes because he was
>>under huge pressure to try and beat Armstrong."
>
> I was right, LA's organized doping, as documented by Landis, forced
> Ullrich into "heavy" doping, I'm guessing following the 2004 tour that
> came as a huge disappointment after he was pretty stolen victory in
> 2003.
You're blaming Ullrich becoming a head case on Lance???!!! That's novel.
Can't be more than 932 posts here that have said that over the years.
Of course Lance did everything he could to get inside Ullrich's head and
mess with him. But to claim it's Lance's fault somehow is a bit absurd. If
Ullrich or anybody else doesn't have the character to play the game, they
deserve to lose. That's what a competition is about. Doping is irrelevant
unless you're willing to claim that Lance knew that he could destroy Ullrich
by driving him to dope. That's really not what you're saying is it?
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
Keith
<Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>>>"Pévenage claims Ullrich decided to work with Fuentes because he was
>>>under huge pressure to try and beat Armstrong."
>>
>> I was right, LA's organized doping, as documented by Landis, forced
>> Ullrich into "heavy" doping, I'm guessing following the 2004 tour that
>> came as a huge disappointment after he was pretty stolen victory in
>> 2003.
>
>You're blaming Ullrich becoming a head case on Lance???!!! That's novel.
>Can't be more than 932 posts here that have said that over the years.
>
>Of course Lance did everything he could to get inside Ullrich's head and
>mess with him. But to claim it's Lance's fault somehow is a bit absurd. If
>Ullrich or anybody else doesn't have the character to play the game, they
>deserve to lose. That's what a competition is about. Doping is irrelevant
>unless you're willing to claim that Lance knew that he could destroy Ullrich
>by driving him to dope. That's really not what you're saying is it?
No I'm saying that LA was relying on blood transfusions in 2004 as
described by Landis (two blood transfusions, one in a bus and one in a
hotel) and as a result trashed Ullrich, after being all but beaten the
previous year. As a result I'm guessing Ullrich and Pevenage decided
enough was enough and enrolled the services of Fuentes. Obviously it
was their (bad) decision to do it, but they would have been under less
pressure to do so in other circumstances.
K. Fred Gauss
He only did it because LANCE invented the pharmaceutical industry.
K. Fred Gauss
raamman
> "Keith" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hr6c36dbe80d1el6o...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:18:41 -0700 (PDT), Brad Anders
>
> >>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pevenage-confesses-to-operacion-puert...
>
> >>""I want to make it clear that at the time, I never had the feeling
> >>that I was doing anything wrong. I knew a lot of Fuentes clients,
> >>including some good riders who rode the Tour in 2006. Everyone knew.
> >>It was a normal thing to do.""
>
> >>under huge pressure to try and beat Armstrong."
>
> > I was right, LA's organized doping, as documented by Landis, forced
> > Ullrich into "heavy" doping, I'm guessing following the 2004 tour that
> > came as a huge disappointment after he was pretty stolen victory in
> > 2003.
>
> You're blaming Ullrich becoming a head case on Lance???!!! That's novel.
> Can't be more than 932 posts here that have said that over the years.
>
> Of course Lance did everything he could to get inside Ullrich's head and
> mess with him. But to claim it's Lance's fault somehow is a bit absurd. If
> Ullrich or anybody else doesn't have the character to play the game, they
> deserve to lose. That's what a competition is about. Doping is irrelevant
> unless you're willing to claim that Lance knew that he could destroy Ullrich
> by driving him to dope. That's really not what you're saying is it?
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jan was, and always will be a stupid little boy- no one can deny that
if he trained better, and ate less, he could have had a few good TdF
victories under his belt. Doping was his undoing; by doing dope, he
trained less and ate more confident of victory assured by dope.
Anton Berlin
childhood.
Blame Honecker if you want to be correct
C.H. Luu
wrong."
If that were the case, why the active efforts to hide the Fuentes
relation with the prepaid cell phone. Why not just pay Fuentes with
funds that are easily traceable. After his admissions, if he ever
gets another job in the cycling industry, the sport deserves to die.
Pressure forced Ulrich to dope? If he thought that he was overpaid
for what he produced, then there was a simple solution. Return the
amount of money he believed his sponsors overpaid.
I doped or helped others doping but there was a good reason. Souds
like a familiar rhetoric.
C.
Fred Gringioni
<bullshit snipped>
Dumbass -
Don't kid yourself. Ullrich was doping before he ever turned professional.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
A. Dumas
> You gotta love this statements: "I never thought I did anything
> wrong."
>
> If that were the case, why the active efforts to hide
Dumbass, you what he meant: he knew it was against the rules but didn't
think it was morally wrong.
A. Dumas
> you what he meant:
-know-
raamman
prize money and salary paid in foriegn currency to be heavily taxed by
the state, or simply garnished and the athelete rewarded with a parade
yep- except he was a little young to be a pro while the DDR existed.
there is no reason they would've wasted dope on someone without seeing
real talent first and an imminent reward
Betty
> by doing dope, he trained less and ate more confident of victory assured by dope.
Dumbass,
Fred Flintstein
Dumbass,
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Ullrich"
"Ullrich won his first bicycle race at 11. He was educated in the
sports training system of the German Democratic Republic attending
the KJS sports school in Berlin in 1986. In 1988, he was champion
of the German Democratic Republic. The school closed two years
after the fall of the Berlin wall in 1989."
I'm just curious, how many decades have you been watching the Tour?
I just want to be sure you are accorded the same respect as veteran
Tour watchers like Keith.
Fred Flintstein
raamman
wrote:
> raamman wrote:
> > On Jul 8, 9:55 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> FF is right, east germans doped at every possible turn from
> >> childhood.
>
> >> Blame Honecker if you want to be correct
>
> > prize money and salary paid in foriegn currency to be heavily taxed by
> > the state, or simply garnished and the athelete rewarded with a parade
> > yep- except he was a little young to be a pro while the DDR existed.
> > there is no reason they would've wasted dope on someone without seeing
> > real talent first and an imminent reward
>
> Dumbass,
>
>
> "Ullrich won his first bicycle race at 11. He was educated in the
> sports training system of the German Democratic Republic attending
> the KJS sports school in Berlin in 1986. In 1988, he was champion
> of the German Democratic Republic. The school closed two years
> after the fall of the Berlin wall in 1989."
>
> I'm just curious, how many decades have you been watching the Tour?
> I just want to be sure you are accorded the same respect as veteran
> Tour watchers like Keith.
>
> Fred Flintstein
that's as a national AMATUER- why the fuck would the state bother
doping a kid for a local bike race ? jeeze, you guys sure are dumb-
must be alllll that medical weed. and your educational system. why
would you get up from your twinkies and procycling manager game to
post here ?
Fred Flintstein
That was classic, thanks. It isn't as good as having the rbr
universal salutation tattooed on your forehead but it's still
pretty good.
Fred Flintstein
Anton Berlin
You haven't a clue how the system worked in the east. They took from
a pool 10x the size of our for every sport. The only way to succeed
was to win one for the state. They instituionalized children as
athletes from the pre-school on. Every east german child had more
hormones in them back then than our dairy cows do today.
Frederick the Great
<16335436-7d31-42f9...@z34g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
"C.H. Luu" <claud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You gotta love this statements: "I never thought I did anything
> wrong."
He does not, but knows other people thing otherwise.
Get it? Happy to help. Your welcome.
--
Old Fritz
Frederick the Great
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
If he will not, I will.
--
Old Fritz
Frederick the Great
"Fred Gringioni" <soulinth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Keith" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:b4ic36hvli1is92ik...@4ax.com...
>
>
> <bullshit snipped>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Don't kid yourself. Ullrich was doping before he ever turned professional.
Suppose he _wants_ to kid himself? It is free country.
--
Old Fritz
K. Fred Gauss
This is why RBR continues to provide a valuable service. Nowhere else
has preserved the history of professional athletics in communist
countries during the cold war. It's an education, it is.
Betty
> This is why RBR continues to provide a valuable service. Nowhere else
> has preserved the history of professional athletics in communist
> countries during the cold war. It's an education, it is.
Perhaps LANCE is a sleeper Russian agent.
Frederick the Great
Betty
>> This is why RBR continues to provide a valuable service. Nowhere else
>> has preserved the history of professional athletics in communist
>> countries during the cold war. It's an education, it is.
Frederick the Great wrote:
> God bless us, every one.
I thought we were on the other side.
Uncle Dave
Oh, I wondered when it would be blamed on the commies. You are Joseph
McCarthy's bastard love child and I claim my free lynching.
UD
Frederick the Great
Betty <no...@mailinator.com> wrote:
I am a shameless front runner.
--
Old Fritz
Fred Gringioni
"Anton Berlin" <truth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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: Raaman
Dumbass -
FRAAMman is completely uninformed.