OT: I am sorry I have been a little rude lately
Sandy
broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine. Like the news
organization, Al Jazeera. Take a look at the story, the video, and most
of all look at the stories on the right-hand column. Explore a little,
and maybe you will pardon my having been a bit abrupt of late. I am due
(maybe) to land in Lagos soon. I am really hesitant to be of use to
those who want to get rich from the misery their dollars and euros
impose. I may just give up my practice and do something useful.
Anyway, here's the link:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/02/2010298114949112.html
Let's hope that this is not the law and order of the Wild West that
Sarah Palin wants to reintroduce.--
--
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
-
Economics and markets are not like chemistry. One can discover "laws" or
patterns in past data, but acting on those patterns will affect the
future; whereas a chemical does not change its behaviour because we have
discovered it.
Buttonwood -
The Economist, 28 jan 2010
Scott
> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
> Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
Even when you try to apologize, you're still arrogant and insulting.
A. Dumas
> On Feb 9, 11:20 am, Sandy wrote:
>> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
>> broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
>
Yep.
AMuzi
> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine. Like the news
> organization, Al Jazeera. Take a look at the story, the video, and most
> of all look at the stories on the right-hand column. Explore a little,
> and maybe you will pardon my having been a bit abrupt of late. I am due
> (maybe) to land in Lagos soon. I am really hesitant to be of use to
> those who want to get rich from the misery their dollars and euros
> impose. I may just give up my practice and do something useful.
>
> Anyway, here's the link:
>
> http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/02/2010298114949112.html
>
> Let's hope that this is not the law and order of the Wild West that
> Sarah Palin wants to reintroduce.--
Not sure where you're going with that but since it's
unlikely that you will be shooting at soldiers or blowing
up oil facilities you should be OK. Some context:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/IRIN/4032c6c08d69a7ad5b348f8ebae7e2a5.htm
Is Ms Palin running for office in Nigeria? I missed that.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Ben Trovato
What in his statement do you find insulting? and why?
GoneBeforeMyTime
> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
For those who have the time, and more helpful, money, we are arguably as
well informed as anyone in the world. I'm not talking about our crappy
corporate run national TV networks like NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, MSNBC, or half a
dozen other slanted stations that offer little news and mostly sound bytes
of soothing soap for the box. I am talking about the Internet however. There
are literally hundreds of decent news sites worldwide that give a better
perspective on the world news, as well as their associated blogs, plus
various information websites that offer both news and video. It's time
consuming to seek out different viewpoints and opinions of everyday news,
but often much better then what corporate TV spews out. The ones cut off
from accessing news worldwide are often the Chinese or countries like Iran,
etc, but not America. We can access nearly any content worldwide without any
restrictions I know of, except cost sometimes. Some sites charge for
content, but most are free by just logging in. RBR is (Specific) to cycling,
not the worlds news, and just because they don't indulge you on such topics
or others of your interest, doesn't mean they are isolated and uninformed.
Like the news
> organization, Al Jazeera. Take a look at the story, the video, and
> most of all look at the stories on the right-hand column.
No, I rather not, not into the Macabre. While I like to keep informed about
the hardships and unfairness of what is going on in third world countries,
as well as others, I don't often view those kind of videos. I think the text
reports are graphic enough.
Explore a
> little, and maybe you will pardon my having been a bit abrupt of
> late.
Well, perhaps you shouldn't view that content before logging into RBR! When
you enter RBR, you enter the cycling world, best to leave that other stuff
where you found it.
I am due (maybe) to land in Lagos soon. I am really hesitant to
> be of use to those who want to get rich from the misery their dollars
> and euros impose. I may just give up my practice and do something
> useful.
Good idea! You might find yourself happier in retirement! More then likely,
you don't need the money!
>
> Anyway, here's the link:
No thanks.
>
> http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/02/2010298114949112.html
RicodJour
>
> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
So your mental perturbation over something happening to some other
people outweighs the concerns of people that have, like, real stuff,
happening in their own families?
You are allowed as much mental mind fuck as you please, but don't
apologize for it, and don't try to explain it away. This is RBR. It
is simply not done here.
R
William R. Mattil
Okay ... you can't read ?!?!?!?!?
For the slow class here it is again:
It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
Probably a Liberal ......
Bill
--
William R. Mattil
Andre Jute
>OT: I am sorry I have been a little rude lately
Such mindless arrogance and boorish rudeness is commonly what we
expect of you daily, so we didn't notice.
> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
Americans may and often are insular and provincial. They have quite a
few good excuses. A Frenchman and, worse, a French intellectual (even
a French shyster, unlike his American counterpart, is at least
nominally a member of the intelligentsia) has none of these excuses
for ignorance, stupidity and bias.
It is not how much information you have, but whether your mind is a
fit instrument to process it. Your mind, dear Sandy, is not a fit
instrument, as I shall immediately demonstrate.
> Like the news
> organization, Al Jazeera.
Unless you want to argue that Al Jazeera, by reason of being owned and
operated by Muslims, is somehow exempt from bias, it is just another
news organization pandering to the prejudices of its audience. In your
case, dear Sandy, it has hit the bullseye square in the age-old French
love affair with the Arabs, arising not so much out of love for Arabs
per se (as in the British case) but out of bone-deep French anti-
semitism matched by the French love of filthy lucre for selling Arabs
armaments.
In short, dear Sandy, it would be surprising if a limp-minded
surrender-froggie, such as you have repeatedly demonstrated yourself
to be, didn't, in Sorni's vibrant phrase, 'drink the Al Jazeera Kool-
Aid'. You're merely reacting true to form, like a well-trained dog
salivating at the sign of its food bowl.
>Take a look at the story, the video, and most
> of all look at the stories on the right-hand column.
I see a story about a bunch of religious nutters taking over a town or
a region, and abducting children (particularly female children) from
elsewhere to indoctrinate in their own ways. The police went in and
released the hostages. (We'll come to executions without trial in a
moment. It would be typical of the type of jerk in the modern Left,
like Sandy, who would once have been a Marxist, to confuse the two
matters of restoring order and street punishments.)
>Explore a little,
> and maybe you will pardon my having been a bit abrupt of late.
If this Hocum Pocum or Boring Islamist Fundies or whatever they were
called were instead an armed group of American religious fundies
abducting people's small daughters to indoctrinate and turn into child
brides, you, Sandy, would have been the first French trick cyclist (in
case your English isn't as glibly misleading as appears, that's
vernacular for 'nutter' -- and my *obligatory on-topic cycling
reference*!) to applaud the FBI for rooting them out and saving the
children. You might even have overlooked a few fatalities who
'resisted arrest'.
Your judgement here is clearly biased in favour of this violent scum
because they're brown and Muslim. It is a form of condescension that
is itself racist in the extreme.
>I am due
> (maybe) to land in Lagos soon.
May the traffic jam be your hot foretaste of where you will go for
your lack of goodwill when you kick the bucket.
>I am really hesitant to be of use to
> those who want to get rich from the misery their dollars and euros
> impose.
Holy shit! Who gave this pretentious idiot a license to practice law?
Yo, little Sandy, where were you educated? Nigeria exports oil.
Extracting oil is a capital intensive activity. Without the euros and
dollars, there would be no oil, no jobs, no income, nothing but tribal
warfare, which is how since time immemorial the people there have
occupied themselves. (I was there in the secession war forty years
ago, and inter-tribal and inter-religious massacres then made this
little police excess seem like a bar brawl between nuns.) And the
money and the violence are clearly connected. It is ever thus. If you
think these Muslim insurrectionists want to make the lives of people
better, you're even more stupid than we have hitherto seen.
>I may just give up my practice and do something useful.
Very likely for you to stop practising law would be useful to the law.
Probably even be useful to society for you to join the next Hookum
Pokum bunch of clowns who abduct little girls for their 'cause'; first
of all, an arrogant Frenchman like you will probably insist that only
you know how to lead them, so that they'll screw up and be caught all
the sooner; next, if you're lucky (do you know anything at all about
African jails?) an irate father or cop with small children will shoot
you while you resist arrest; finally, the commie-pinko-fellow
travellers here on RBT will remember you as a 'martyr' and thereby
annually give the rest of us a good giggle on the anniversary of your
departure 'in a good cause'.
> Anyway, here's the link:
> http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/02/2010298114949112.html
Before Al Jazzy TV, almost no one had the bad taste to show executions
on television. Al Jazeera by itself, with that pervasive Muslim
disregard for life, have brought an important standard of news to a
desperate low.
> Let's hope that this is not the law and order of the Wild West that
> Sarah Palin wants to reintroduce.--
And if anyone is in any doubt about little Sandy's pinko-commie-fellow
traveller politics, that should fill them in. What, little Sandy (who
claims to be a lawyer and therefore at least by implication to have
respect for the evidence of consequential connection), does Ms Palin
have to do with Nigeria? Where did Ms Palin advocate shooting people
in the streets without trial? And, while we're on the questions you
cannot answer, Why are you such a useless wanker?
> --
> Sandy
> Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
They must hang their heads in shame on the streets of Verneuil-sur-
Seine when the fat lawyer in the overtight latex passes.
The rest is a quote from one 'Buttonwood' in The Economist given, with
approval implied, by Sandy in his tagline. It further demonstrates
that Sandy is either appallingly ignorant or monumentally stupid or
both:
> Economics and markets are not like chemistry.
No, they're more akin to psychology. It is only marxists and muslims
who think the laws of economics are mechanical.
> One can discover "laws" or
> patterns in past data, but acting on those patterns will affect the
> future;
Holy shit! This moron 'Buttonwood' writes in The Economist (note the
name of the journal!) and he doesn't know that the *purpose* of
economic policy is to act on past patterns precisely in order to
'affect the future'. And Sandy, a lawyer who is supposed to honour or
at least understand logic, approves of a statement that denounces this
necessary link. (If Sandy quoted Buttonwood correctly, can anyone be
surprised that real economists give the The Economist a wide berth and
read The New Statesman instead? Readers of The Economist and the
Guardian largely coincide, and for good reason; misery and ignorance
loves its own company.)
>whereas a chemical does not change its behaviour because we have
> discovered it.
Economics in practice is the art of adding a catalyst. That Sandy
cannot see for himself that the analogy he approves is pisspoor is the
final condemnation of a slack, hysterically emotional 'mind'.
> Buttonwood -
> The Economist, 28 jan 2010
'Buttonwood' and Sandy, two idiots with adipose tissue on the brain
who deserve each other.
Andre Jute
Global Warming is like Scientology, only with less science -- but at
least it is more logical than Sandy's politics!
PS I spent 27 years in Africa, and was effective enough for the
apartheid government to declare me a revolutionary and twice to send
assassins after me, whereas Sandy is making a flying visit and hasn't
even landed when he starts shooting off at the mouth. So, in the light
of our relative experience (27 years for me, none for Sandy): about
the extra-judicial killings that disturb Sandy so, I noticed in Africa
that the brutality in ex-French colonies is more disgusting and of a
higher level but always better hidden (the French still had forced
labour gangs, essentially slavery, into the 1950s) than in the ex-
British colonies like Nigeria. Of course the Army officers and police
bosses who ordered the killings should be tried and if found guilty
punished according to their crime, but what is much more important is
to bring to trial the political leaders responsible for originating
the order. Notice that these actions are exactly what I would expect
Americans to undertake, because Justice is a division of Truth, which
is indivisible, whereas Sandy, a lawyer, despicably doesn't once
mention a trial for these men. He is happy for Al Jazeera to be judge,
jury and executioner. Actually, the one here who deserves no mercy is
Sandy: he's a lawyer who's sold out principle for hysterical advocacy
without even waiting for his plane to land so he can enquire into the
facts; despicable behaviour for anyone but especially for a lawyer.
Scott
You're joking, right?
The implication is that HE is so worldly, whereas Americans are
isolated and not of a mind to examine the goings-on of the wider
world. He also implies that Americans are blissfully ignorant,
whereas HE just has so much stress and worry in his life that he is
often rude when he doesn't intend to be. Bullshit. He's an ass. A
well educated, well read ass, perhaps, but an ass nonetheless.
We (the collective we) may not see things through the same prism he
does, but that does not mean we do not see them.
cur...@the-md-russells.org
<Fa...@EuroFans.com> wrote:
>For those who have the time, and more helpful, money, we are arguably as
>well informed as anyone in the world. I'm not talking about our crappy
>corporate run national TV networks like NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, MSNBC, or half a
>dozen other slanted stations that offer little news and mostly sound bytes
>of soothing soap for the box
It doesn't take time - the comparison shouldn't be against watching
the network news, supplemented with the local reporting. It should be
compared to reading newspapers, and you can scan and drill to the
areas that interest you faster now than when you went through the New
York Times or whatever paper(s) you could read. Less wasted time today
as well, as you don't have to wait for delivery. (OTOH, you miss a lot
of useful reporting that you would just run into in the old print
media.)
It doesn't take an appreciable amount of money either, if we're
talking about people with an Internet connection already. It does take
a bit of time, sometimes, to determine the particular slant of a
source you haven't read before - like the English version of a paper
produced in Bangkok or Manila.
And they're all slanted, except the ones that lean at the same angle
as you. The truly absurd are those that accept as gospel news from any
source that isn't of the USA just because it isn't from the USA.
Sandy has a better point IMO if he focused on the general parochialism
of the USA. I've seen studies that range over at least the last 40
years that indicate that, given the same education level, US citizens
tend to be more parochial than elsewhere. Dunno if it is true, but it
seems to be reported on a regular basis, so it must be true. Everyone
knows it...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
raamman
anyone who is man enough to look back upon and apologize for what they
feel may have wrong, should be allowed to go on without taking them to
task over the content of their apology.
RicodJour
>
> anyone who is man enough to look back upon and apologize for what they
> feel may have wrong, should be allowed to go on without taking them to
> task over the content of their apology.
Only if they learn from it and act accordingly. Otherwise it's just
more words.
R
Keith G
"Andre Jute" <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:978e402d-8bbd-4977...@u15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 9, 6:20 pm, Sandy <leur...@free.fr> wrote:
>OT: I am sorry I have been a little rude lately
Don't worry about it - we all have, it's that time of the year....
Three Hail Marys should cover it....
GoneBeforeMyTime
That's cool, as long as they don't kick you again while apologizing. It
should be simply put, not convoluted. We don't care about his personal
problems either and he certainly doesn't care about our. It's true with the
RBR gladiators, that one need not apologize in this arena and that kind of
apology cuts to the quick. If we are isolated, it's only by the Atlantic
ocean.
Sandy
déclaré...:
>
> Sandy has a better point IMO if he focused on the general parochialism
> of the USA. I've seen studies that range over at least the last 40
> years that indicate that, given the same education level, US citizens
> tend to be more parochial than elsewhere. Dunno if it is true, but it
> seems to be reported on a regular basis, so it must be true. Everyone
> knows it...
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...
I did not aim at parochialism. I did not imply ignorance or indifference
of Americans. The word chosen, "isolated," means geographically and
emotionally isolated. Also isolated by the narrow scope and concern of
most television news as viewed in the US. I also see a large percentage
of USians living abroad who stick to an enclave and remain isolated,
even on foreign soil. You, Curtis, seem to have operated on a different
level, integrating more into the places you have lived.
I also believe, given the criticism leveled against my posting, that
those who wrote rejected the idea of looking at the horror in that
video, refused to read the article. My effort was to do two things:
explain some recent snippy remarks I made; and to bring attention to
things that get discussed on rides with my club, things that don't make
it to the surface in this forum.
Having failed on both fronts, having no expectation that I can rectify
that, I'm gone. Thanks for riding along.--
Bonne route !
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
GoneBeforeMyTime
Compared to say an average of two newspapers households used to subscribe
to, say one local and one national, of course the Internet is much quicker.
But today on the net, we are scanning and reading dozens of papers, blogs,
and all kinds of various portals for news. That takes more time then what we
used to spend in the old days, but as I said, if you have the time. A lot of
Americans are on the run, and don't have the time, but they got their
portable devices. I think we spend a great deal of time on the web with
news. I certainly read way more news on the web, then what I get from TV,
and I hate commercials as well, so increasingly TV turns me off. It has 800
channels, but most of them are junk and a big waste of your time just
fooling with those extremely slow remote controls. The time it takes to scan
the TV schedules and mark content for recording is just ridiculous, so there
are very few I watch anyway that I enjoy. High speed DSL works fine for me,
but its a pricey luxury I would say for most middle class people to pay for
both Dish TV and High speed internet. That's over $120 bucks a month right
there, more with DVR receiver and don't forget the cost of a good fast PC,
and all the software you need to do things on a regular basis. I find the
cost of upgrading and buying new hardware and software annoying. My DVR
breaks down at least once a year, and I have to fight with DirecTV every
time to get a new one on the rental agreement. Right now, I don't get
Universal Sports, Versus or Eurosport, which really pisses me off. If I
could get all my content through the Internet, I would.
Davey Crockett
Hee, Hee
Davey gave Nigeria a Sieg Heil a week ago today
It's a pity the rest of the world didn't take a leaf out of Nigeria's
book and rid themselves of those Sons of the Prophet and their Peace
Loving religion
--
Davey Crockett
Michael Press
Sandy <leu...@free.fr> wrote:
> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine. Like the news
> organization, Al Jazeera. Take a look at the story, the video, and most
> of all look at the stories on the right-hand column. Explore a little,
> and maybe you will pardon my having been a bit abrupt of late. I am due
> (maybe) to land in Lagos soon. I am really hesitant to be of use to
> those who want to get rich from the misery their dollars and euros
> impose. I may just give up my practice and do something useful.
>
> Anyway, here's the link:
>
> http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/02/2010298114949112.html
>
> Let's hope that this is not the law and order of the Wild West that
> Sarah Palin wants to reintroduce.--
In 1936 General Blomberg ordered Wehrmacht forces
across the Rhine River to occupy the demilitarized
ground on the other side. In case of resistance they
were to retreat back to German soil. Such a retreat
would likely have ended Hitler's position as leader. (I
think the generals were hoping for this eventuation as
they had already achieved their goals, gutting of the
Versailles treaty, rearmament, curtailment of civil
liberties, and destruction of the Republic.) The French
military chose not to fight. What did the French do?
Foreign minister Pierre Étienne Flandin flew to London
to ask the British government to back him. Two weak
sisters clinging to each other.
--
Michael Press
ilan
Do you only watch Al Jazeera during the Tour of Quatar?
-ilan
RicodJour
>
Dear Sandy,
I will take this opportunity to make a couple observations - and kick
you in the shins.
>
> I did not aim at parochialism. I did not imply ignorance or indifference
> of Americans. The word chosen, "isolated," means geographically and
> emotionally isolated. Also isolated by the narrow scope and concern of
> most television news as viewed in the US.
You're a fookin' lawyer. You know how powerful words are, and you
have _no_ problem with the English language. Drafting up even a lowly
post to the lowlifes on RBR should, by reflex, kick your please-let-me-
be-clear lawyer gene into gear. A fucked up apology is worse than no
apology. I will have my girlfriend call you if you need verification.
> I also see a large percentage
> of USians living abroad who stick to an enclave and remain isolated,
> even on foreign soil. You, Curtis, seem to have operated on a different
> level, integrating more into the places you have lived.
Quit sucking up to Curtis - this is RBR, and it's unseemly. I suppose
you're contrasting the associating-with-what's-familiar-while-living-
abroad, with, what exactly? All cultures participate in that to a
great degree...except the French in NY - they just seem to hang out at
restaurants. :)~
> I also believe, given the criticism leveled against my posting, that
> those who wrote rejected the idea of looking at the horror in that
> video, refused to read the article. My effort was to do two things:
> explain some recent snippy remarks I made; and to bring attention to
> things that get discussed on rides with my club, things that don't make
> it to the surface in this forum.
>
> Having failed on both fronts, having no expectation that I can rectify
> that, I'm gone. Thanks for riding along.--
Well, if you want to exit, stage right, as a triple failure, that is
your prerogative. An I'm-taking-my-ball-and-going-home choice, but
still a choice. If you believe strongly in something, and you're
trying to draw some attention to it - TAKE YOUR FOOKIN' EGO OUT OF THE
EQUATION.
If it's important that you draw attention to a bad situation that
other people are in, it's not about you.
If you want to sell something, it's not about you.
You mixed your messages, and (temporarily) lost out on both fronts.
If you quit, what did you accomplish besides getting your feelings
bruised? I'm not sure what you meant by "giving up my practice and
doing something useful", or whether you were being facetious, but if
you are intending to help out there, please, for everyone involved,
keep the focus on who you're trying to help.
R
RicodJour
> {massive snip}
Do you get paid by the word? Jeez, you're a windbag.
R
Scott
Not when their apology is laced with insults.
Fred Fredburger
Definitely a dumbass.
Fred Fredburger
Since she was actually born in Nigeria, it'd be legal.
GoneBeforeMyTime
That was quite an response! It took at least one cup of coffee to get
through that.
Frank Krygowski
>
>
> That was quite an response! It took at least one cup of coffee to get
> through that.
That makes no sense. It took less than five seconds to scroll past it.
Surely you don't _read_ "Jute," do you??
- Frank Krygowski
Jay Beattie
And what about the families of plane crash victims -- and all the
garbage? What are we going to do about all the garbage?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdFjxhDOKNQ Such angst. I do not need
to go half-way around the world to find something to get upset about.
-- Jay Beattie.
heather
> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> organization, Al Jazeera. Take a look at the story, the video, and most
> of all look at the stories on the right-hand column. Explore a little,
> and maybe you will pardon my having been a bit abrupt of late. I am due
> (maybe) to land in Lagos soon. I am really hesitant to be of use to
>
> Anyway, here's the link:
>
> http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/02/2010298114949112.html
>
> Sarah Palin wants to reintroduce.--
> Sandy
> Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
> -
> discovered it.
>
> The Economist, 28 jan 2010
you have not been a little rude, you have been very rude, however, it is
usenet, so how does one complain, really? in other words, no apology
needed. and for my part, i feel like you enjoy being offended, so i
won't apologize for being offensive, either. there- fair and square :)
heather
"The prison girls are not impressed, they're the ones who have to clean
this mess. They've traded more for cigarettes than I've managed to express."
GoneBeforeMyTime
I just read stuff if its entertaining. Who is Jute?
Matt Chambers
defunct USIA.
The assignment was to help them develop their "National Cycling Team". What
a nightmare
of an existence for those athletes. Americans are isolated? Maybe that's
true, but when the shit
hits the fan anywhere in the world, we as a people answer within a few
picoseconds with
dollars we can't really afford to give. I encourage to go to Lagos, and stay
there long
enough to take one in the chest. Don't forget to wear your best beret.
"heather" <cle...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:7teejj...@mid.individual.net...
thirty-six
I wonder if....
thirty-six
never mind
thirty-six
Not so much a back handed apology, but more like a Glagow kiss.
bjwe...@gmail.com
> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine. Like the news
> organization, Al Jazeera. Take a look at the story, the video, and most
> of all look at the stories on the right-hand column. Explore a little,
> and maybe you will pardon my having been a bit abrupt of late. I am due
> (maybe) to land in Lagos soon. I am really hesitant to be of use to
> those who want to get rich from the misery their dollars and euros
> impose. I may just give up my practice and do something useful.
>
> Anyway, here's the link:
>
> http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/02/2010298114949112.html
>
> Let's hope that this is not the law and order of the Wild West that
> Sarah Palin wants to reintroduce.--
> --
> Sandy
> Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
Alexandre,
Was this about drawing attention to suffering
in Nigeria, or was it about drawing attention to you?
RBR already has an Petty Officer in charge of
self-pitying laments about the low character of
the rest of RBR (Kunich), so although we all
compete for that position, I'm afraid your application
is likely to be rejected.
Ben
P.S. As long as you're enjoying english.aljazeera.net,
keep in mind some of it is even written by Americans.
In fact, a high school friend of mine is a news editor there.
heather
> In 1994, I spent a little over a month in Lagos, Nigeria working for the
> now defunct USIA.
> The assignment was to help them develop their "National Cycling Team".
that's interesting, (I'm not being sarcastic!) I didn't know that about
you, Matt.
> What a nightmare
> of an existence for those athletes.
:(
heather
Mike Jacoubowsky
I also believe, given the criticism leveled against my posting, that
those who wrote rejected the idea of looking at the horror in that
video, refused to read the article. My effort was to do two things:
explain some recent snippy remarks I made; and to bring attention to
things that get discussed on rides with my club, things that don't make
it to the surface in this forum.
Having failed on both fronts, having no expectation that I can rectify
that, I'm gone. Thanks for riding along.--
Bonne route !
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
==========
Sandy: Is this really the forum for discussing world politics? Certainly
many think so, but in the end, this is, after all, rbt. You have contributed
insightful observations on bicycle racing in the past, and I will miss the
lack of such in the future. But I am especially dumbfounded that you chose
to deal with rbt on the level of so many others who would prefer that it be
a soapbox for their political leanings rather to discuss cycling. Why? Did
you come to some point in your life where enjoyment of competitive cycling
is now a symptom of a ruling-class mentality, and must be purged from your
life? Do you see your life as being out-of-balance or what?
Good luck in finding your path-
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
Chalo
>
> Sandy wrote:
> >
> > It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> > broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
>
Sounds more like truth-telling than insult to me.
If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
observation that overall we are not a force for good.
Chalo
Bill Sornson
What kind of "proud and faithful American" hates the police, military,
elected officials (of both parties, apparently, to the point of calling for
their deaths), etc. Not a force for good? Ask the victims of tsunamis and
earthquakes, not to mention the millions liberated from oppression and
tyranny over the last century or so.
Bill "yeah, I know I was trolled" S.
Bill Sornson
It was a helluva beatdown though.
BS (not)
Jay Beattie
force for bad, we should save the money and just spend it at home
having fun -- like maybe build a big theme park and water slide with
the billions we would save. Most of the unmitigated hell holes in the
world were created by European colonists and not the United States.
Pick a failed country, any country. Let me guess; it is a former
British/French colony? Most of the problems in the Middle East are
due to the English drawing up boarders on the backs of coctail
napkins. Let them clean up the mess. We had the Marshall plan. Top
that for cleaning up a mess. -- Jay Beattie.
Chalo
>
> Chalo wrote:
> >
> > Scott wrote:
> >>
> >> Sandy wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> >>> broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
> >>
> >> Even when you try to apologize, you're still arrogant and insulting.
> >
> > Sounds more like truth-telling than insult to me.
> >
> > If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
> > haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
> > of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
> > strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
> > observation that overall we are not a force for good.
>
> elected officials (of both parties, apparently, to the point of calling for
> their deaths), etc.
What kind of American? One who believes there is such a thing as good
and that we are morally obligated to do it. Evil perpetrated by my
own people pisses me off even more than evil perpetrated by
inscrutable foreigners. Today's cops and military goons are
_specialists_ in evil. Our elected officials (on both right wings)
are so corrupt it defies belief. Of course any righteous American
hates these blights on our honor and dignity and decency as a
people.
But as I was saying, most Americans are not righteous people, but
rather ignorant oafs. I believe they are good in their hearts but I
know their works are debased.
Chalo
RicodJour
>
> What kind of "proud and faithful American" hates the police, military,
> elected officials (of both parties, apparently, to the point of calling for
> their deaths), etc. Not a force for good? Ask the victims of tsunamis and
> earthquakes, not to mention the millions liberated from oppression and
> tyranny over the last century or so.
>
> Bill "yeah, I know I was trolled" S.
I think there's - as usual - plenty of credit and blame to go around.
But mainly, I just want to post a Monty Python sketch which - as usual
- sums things up nicely.
Namely, What Have The Romans Ever Done For Us?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso
R
Scott
You say that those who don't think that Americans are ignorant just
haven't been paying attention or just haven't been abroad to make
legit comparisons, and then you say that most Americans are ignorant
oafs.
My hunch is that you have either spent too much time abroad or perhaps
just haven't met that many Americans. Certainly not the right
Americans (and I don't mean right wing). I don't know where you live,
but I bet your view is grossly distorted by spending too much time
with the wrong people, bitching and moaning about whatever.
Kyle Legate
>
> What kind of American? One who believes there is such a thing as good
> and that we are morally obligated to do it. Evil perpetrated by my
> own people pisses me off even more than evil perpetrated by
> inscrutable foreigners. Today's cops and military goons are
> _specialists_ in evil. Our elected officials (on both right wings)
> are so corrupt it defies belief. Of course any righteous American
> hates these blights on our honor and dignity and decency as a
> people.
>
> But as I was saying, most Americans are not righteous people, but
> rather ignorant oafs. I believe they are good in their hearts but I
> know their works are debased.
>
> Chalo
Finally, a decent American. I can't believe the depth of propaganda many
others in this thread have choked on.
Tom Sherman °_°
> [...] Who is Jute?
>
>
Andrew McCoy.
--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
Scott
And what sort of "propaganda" have you been choking on lately?
Chalo
>
> Chalo wrote:
> >
> > Scott wrote:
> > >
> > > Sandy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> > > > broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
> > >
> > > Even when you try to apologize, you're still arrogant and insulting.
> >
> > Sounds more like truth-telling than insult to me.
> >
> > If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
> > haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
> > of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
> > strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
> > observation that overall we are not a force for good.
>
> Then why the hell do we spend so much on foreign aid?
Like to Israel?
How does all our foreign aid compare to our trillion dollar military
budget?
Did you know that in the wake of the recent Haitian quake, the US
Marines were diverting relief planes sent by Red Cross and Médecins
Sans Frontières away to Santo Domingo? Because evidently "security"
as defined by hired killers is more important than food, clean water,
and medical attention for starving and injured people.
A wiser man than me once said that you can tell the scoundrels from
the saints by the results of their actions: "Wherefore by their
fruits ye shall know them." Haiti as it is today is the fruit of US
policy from the first US occupation of Haiti in 1915, through the days
of Papa Doc and Baby Doc, right up to the present day. Any "help" the
US provides in the wake of that established pattern must be evaluated
in comparison to that pattern.
Chalo
Davey Crockett
| On 09-Feb-10 15:38, cur...@the-md-russells.org a bien r�fl�chi et puis
| a d�clar�...:
|
| >
| > Sandy has a better point IMO if he focused on the general parochialism
| > of the USA. I've seen studies that range over at least the last 40
| > years that indicate that, given the same education level, US citizens
| > tend to be more parochial than elsewhere. Dunno if it is true, but it
| > seems to be reported on a regular basis, so it must be true. Everyone
| > knows it...
Yeah, and "everyone" knows about the HollowCo$%t too
| >
| > Curtis L. Russell
| > Odenton, MD (USA)
| > Just someone on two wheels...
|
| Having failed on both fronts, having no expectation that I can rectify
| that, I'm gone. Thanks for riding along.--
|
Don't be so thin skinned
Tell 'em to Fuck Off saame as Davey does
--
This is my signature
Do you like it?
Donald Munro
> Do you only watch Al Jazeera during the Tour of Quatar?
Oddly enough they recently (yesterday I think) had a report on Sky at
Quatar complete with an interview with Sunderland and no doping references.
Donald Munro
> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> organization, Al Jazeera.
Nice troll complete with the crosspost.
Fred Fredburger
Agreed. Good time of the year for it, too!
Kurgan Gringioni
"Fred Fredburger" <Som...@Somewhere.You.Dont.Wanna.Be> wrote in message
news:4b72...@news.x-privat.org...
Dumbass -
Troll index seems to be pretty good.
Is this acceptable?
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
AMuzi
> Jay Beattie wrote:
>> Chalo wrote:
>>> Scott wrote:
>>>> Sandy wrote:
>>>>> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
>>>>> broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
>>>> Even when you try to apologize, you're still arrogant and insulting.
>>> Sounds more like truth-telling than insult to me.
>>>
>>> If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
>>> haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
>>> of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
>>> strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
>>> observation that overall we are not a force for good.
>> Then why the hell do we spend so much on foreign aid?
>
> Like to Israel?
>
> How does all our foreign aid compare to our trillion dollar military
> budget?
>
> Did you know that in the wake of the recent Haitian quake, the US
> Sans Fronti�res away to Santo Domingo? Because evidently "security"
> as defined by hired killers is more important than food, clean water,
> and medical attention for starving and injured people.
>
> A wiser man than me once said that you can tell the scoundrels from
> the saints by the results of their actions: "Wherefore by their
> fruits ye shall know them." Haiti as it is today is the fruit of US
> policy from the first US occupation of Haiti in 1915, through the days
> of Papa Doc and Baby Doc, right up to the present day. Any "help" the
> US provides in the wake of that established pattern must be evaluated
> in comparison to that pattern.
It's not clear to me that we're funding defense adequately
or effectively yet. The numbers are historically not high in
terms of receipts or GNP.
http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/03/03/obamas_defense_budget_sacrifices_us_primacy
http://csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/060707_defense_resource_challenges.pdf
Bitching about Haiti? Maybe I missed something. What's in it
for us in Haiti? Who do we harm there? Who else spent any
significant amount there besides USA?
You may be bitter over your own issues but you're off base here.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Jay Beattie
I am perfectly fine with our national government abandoning its
foreign aid program. That goes for all nations, including Israel and
Egypt. That money should be plowed in to the United States for our
own disaster relief or a killer theme park. Private charities, of
course, can do whatever they want. Corporate interests in the various
banana republics around the world should be pursued and protected by
the interested corporations and not by our national government.
Bechtel/KBR/Exxon/WalMart should be allowed to rasie their own armies
like the East India Company.
Although the United States built the infrastructure (hospitals,
schools, roads, phones) in Haiti and gave it its first democratic
election, I also agree that it did many stupid things that were
characteristic of the '50s CIA (and later). This was our stock
response to instability in the Caribbean. We are still evil and should
stay out of Haiti for its own good. The strong and caring central
government of Haiti should be left to take care of its people without
meddling or intervention by the US, UN or any other organized
government or government-sponsored groups. Once that occurs, Haiti
will return to its golden age of peace, tranquility and economic
prosperity. -- Jay Beattie.
Cam
> Chalo wrote:
> > Jay Beattie wrote:
> >> Chalo wrote:
> >>> Scott wrote:
> >>>> Sandy wrote:
> >>>>> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> >>>>> broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
> >>>> Even when you try to apologize, you're still arrogant and insulting.
> >>> Sounds more like truth-telling than insult to me.
>
> >>> If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
> >>> haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
> >>> of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
> >>> strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
> >>> observation that overall we are not a force for good.
> >> Then why the hell do we spend so much on foreign aid?
>
> > Like to Israel?
>
> > How does all our foreign aid compare to our trillion dollar military
> > budget?
>
> > Did you know that in the wake of the recent Haitian quake, the US
> > Sans Frontières away to Santo Domingo? Because evidently "security"
> > as defined by hired killers is more important than food, clean water,
> > and medical attention for starving and injured people.
>
> > A wiser man than me once said that you can tell the scoundrels from
> > the saints by the results of their actions: "Wherefore by their
> > fruits ye shall know them." Haiti as it is today is the fruit of US
> > policy from the first US occupation of Haiti in 1915, through the days
> > of Papa Doc and Baby Doc, right up to the present day. Any "help" the
> > US provides in the wake of that established pattern must be evaluated
> > in comparison to that pattern.
>
> It's not clear to me that we're funding defense adequately
> or effectively yet. The numbers are historically not high in
> terms of receipts or GNP.
>
>
> Bitching about Haiti? Maybe I missed something. What's in it
> for us in Haiti? Who do we harm there? Who else spent any
> significant amount there besides USA?
>
Canada has spent more per capita than any other nation.
bjwe...@gmail.com
> "Fred Fredburger" <Some...@Somewhere.You.Dont.Wanna.Be> wrote in message
Dumbass,
I don't think crossposting a troll to rbt is truly
sporting - it's a bit like cutting the course.
However, Sandy gets extra style points for
combining the troll with the "Goodbye cruel rbr"/
flame-out farewell.
Ben
AMuzi
> On Feb 10, 12:24 pm, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> Chalo wrote:
>>> Jay Beattie wrote:
>>>> Chalo wrote:
>>>>> Scott wrote:
>>>>>> Sandy wrote:
>>>>>>> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
>>>>>>> broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
>>>>>> Even when you try to apologize, you're still arrogant and insulting.
>>>>> Sounds more like truth-telling than insult to me.
>>>>> If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
>>>>> haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
>>>>> of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
>>>>> strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
>>>>> observation that overall we are not a force for good.
>>>> Then why the hell do we spend so much on foreign aid?
>>> Like to Israel?
>>> How does all our foreign aid compare to our trillion dollar military
>>> budget?
>>> Did you know that in the wake of the recent Haitian quake, the US
>>> as defined by hired killers is more important than food, clean water,
>>> and medical attention for starving and injured people.
>>> A wiser man than me once said that you can tell the scoundrels from
>>> the saints by the results of their actions: "Wherefore by their
>>> fruits ye shall know them." Haiti as it is today is the fruit of US
>>> policy from the first US occupation of Haiti in 1915, through the days
>>> of Papa Doc and Baby Doc, right up to the present day. Any "help" the
>>> US provides in the wake of that established pattern must be evaluated
>>> in comparison to that pattern.
>> It's not clear to me that we're funding defense adequately
>> or effectively yet. The numbers are historically not high in
>> terms of receipts or GNP.
>>
>> http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/03/03/obamas_defense_budge...http://csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/060707_defense_resource_challen...
>>
>> Bitching about Haiti? Maybe I missed something. What's in it
>> for us in Haiti? Who do we harm there? Who else spent any
>> significant amount there besides USA?
>>
>
> Canada has spent more per capita than any other nation.
I stand corrected. That IS significant
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/08/haiti-donations-matching-relief-oda.html?ref=rss
Hey Chalo! Canadians too are pursuing cultural hegemony and
exploiting Haitians.
Cam
> Cam wrote:
> > On Feb 10, 12:24 pm, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> Chalo wrote:
> >>> Jay Beattie wrote:
> >>>> Chalo wrote:
> >>>>> Scott wrote:
> >>>>>> Sandy wrote:
> >>>>>>> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> >>>>>>> broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
> >>>>>> Even when you try to apologize, you're still arrogant and insulting.
> >>>>> Sounds more like truth-telling than insult to me.
> >>>>> If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
> >>>>> haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
> >>>>> of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
> >>>>> strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
> >>>>> observation that overall we are not a force for good.
> >>>> Then why the hell do we spend so much on foreign aid?
> >>> Like to Israel?
> >>> How does all our foreign aid compare to our trillion dollar military
> >>> budget?
> >>> Did you know that in the wake of the recent Haitian quake, the US
> >>> Sans Frontières away to Santo Domingo? Because evidently "security"
> >>> as defined by hired killers is more important than food, clean water,
> >>> and medical attention for starving and injured people.
> >>> A wiser man than me once said that you can tell the scoundrels from
> >>> the saints by the results of their actions: "Wherefore by their
> >>> fruits ye shall know them." Haiti as it is today is the fruit of US
> >>> policy from the first US occupation of Haiti in 1915, through the days
> >>> of Papa Doc and Baby Doc, right up to the present day. Any "help" the
> >>> US provides in the wake of that established pattern must be evaluated
> >>> in comparison to that pattern.
> >> It's not clear to me that we're funding defense adequately
> >> or effectively yet. The numbers are historically not high in
> >> terms of receipts or GNP.
>
>
> >> Bitching about Haiti? Maybe I missed something. What's in it
> >> for us in Haiti? Who do we harm there? Who else spent any
> >> significant amount there besides USA?
>
> > Canada has spent more per capita than any other nation.
>
>
> Hey Chalo! Canadians too are pursuing cultural hegemony and
> exploiting Haitians.
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>
> - Show quoted text -
My nationalism is a shining light and an example of the beauty that is
possible when one aspires to the highest ideals. Nationalism from
others is the cause of hatred, fear and mistrust. Nationalism from
others is a dangerous blight. They are the enemy! They must be
destroyed!
Cam
Michael Press
Sandy <leu...@free.fr> wrote:
> I'm gone
You could have started with this and ended with it,
but had to get in one more nastygram.
--
Michael Press
Bill Sornson
ROTFL
Tad McClellan
Yeah, but they're polite about it.
--
Tad McClellan
email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.liamg\100cm.j.dat/"
William Asher
semi-ambivalent
> On Feb 9, 6:20 pm, Sandy <leur...@free.fr> wrote:
>
> >OT: I am sorry I have been a little rude lately
>
> Such mindless arrogance and boorish rudeness is commonly what we
> expect of you daily, so we didn't notice.
>
> > It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> > broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
>
> few good excuses. A Frenchman and, worse, a French intellectual (even
> a French shyster, unlike his American counterpart, is at least
> nominally a member of the intelligentsia) has none of these excuses
> for ignorance, stupidity and bias.
>
> It is not how much information you have, but whether your mind is a
> fit instrument to process it. Your mind, dear Sandy, is not a fit
> instrument, as I shall immediately demonstrate.
>
> > Like the news
> > organization, Al Jazeera.
>
> operated by Muslims, is somehow exempt from bias, it is just another
> news organization pandering to the prejudices of its audience. In your
> case, dear Sandy, it has hit the bullseye square in the age-old French
> love affair with the Arabs, arising not so much out of love for Arabs
> per se (as in the British case) but out of bone-deep French anti-
> semitism matched by the French love of filthy lucre for selling Arabs
> armaments.
>
> In short, dear Sandy, it would be surprising if a limp-minded
> surrender-froggie, such as you have repeatedly demonstrated yourself
> to be, didn't, in Sorni's vibrant phrase, 'drink the Al Jazeera Kool-
> Aid'. You're merely reacting true to form, like a well-trained dog
> salivating at the sign of its food bowl.
>
> >Take a look at the story, the video, and most
> > of all look at the stories on the right-hand column.
>
> I see a story about a bunch of religious nutters taking over a town or
> a region, and abducting children (particularly female children) from
> elsewhere to indoctrinate in their own ways. The police went in and
> released the hostages. (We'll come to executions without trial in a
> moment. It would be typical of the type of jerk in the modern Left,
> like Sandy, who would once have been a Marxist, to confuse the two
> matters of restoring order and street punishments.)
>
> >Explore a little,
> > and maybe you will pardon my having been a bit abrupt of late.
>
> If this Hocum Pocum or Boring Islamist Fundies or whatever they were
> called were instead an armed group of American religious fundies
> abducting people's small daughters to indoctrinate and turn into child
> brides, you, Sandy, would have been the first French trick cyclist (in
> case your English isn't as glibly misleading as appears, that's
> vernacular for 'nutter' -- and my *obligatory on-topic cycling
> reference*!) to applaud the FBI for rooting them out and saving the
> children. You might even have overlooked a few fatalities who
> 'resisted arrest'.
>
> Your judgement here is clearly biased in favour of this violent scum
> because they're brown and Muslim. It is a form of condescension that
> is itself racist in the extreme.
>
> >I am due
> > (maybe) to land in Lagos soon.
>
> May the traffic jam be your hot foretaste of where you will go for
> your lack of goodwill when you kick the bucket.
>
> >I am really hesitant to be of use to
> > those who want to get rich from the misery their dollars and euros
> > impose.
>
> Holy shit! Who gave this pretentious idiot a license to practice law?
> Yo, little Sandy, where were you educated? Nigeria exports oil.
> Extracting oil is a capital intensive activity. Without the euros and
> dollars, there would be no oil, no jobs, no income, nothing but tribal
> warfare, which is how since time immemorial the people there have
> occupied themselves. (I was there in the secession war forty years
> ago, and inter-tribal and inter-religious massacres then made this
> little police excess seem like a bar brawl between nuns.) And the
> money and the violence are clearly connected. It is ever thus. If you
> think these Muslim insurrectionists want to make the lives of people
> better, you're even more stupid than we have hitherto seen.
>
> >I may just give up my practice and do something useful.
>
> Very likely for you to stop practising law would be useful to the law.
> Probably even be useful to society for you to join the next Hookum
> Pokum bunch of clowns who abduct little girls for their 'cause'; first
> of all, an arrogant Frenchman like you will probably insist that only
> you know how to lead them, so that they'll screw up and be caught all
> the sooner; next, if you're lucky (do you know anything at all about
> African jails?) an irate father or cop with small children will shoot
> you while you resist arrest; finally, the commie-pinko-fellow
> travellers here on RBT will remember you as a 'martyr' and thereby
> annually give the rest of us a good giggle on the anniversary of your
> departure 'in a good cause'.
>
> > Anyway, here's the link:
> >http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/02/2010298114949112.html
>
> Before Al Jazzy TV, almost no one had the bad taste to show executions
> on television. Al Jazeera by itself, with that pervasive Muslim
> disregard for life, have brought an important standard of news to a
> desperate low.
>
> > Let's hope that this is not the law and order of the Wild West that
> > Sarah Palin wants to reintroduce.--
>
> And if anyone is in any doubt about little Sandy's pinko-commie-fellow
> traveller politics, that should fill them in. What, little Sandy (who
> claims to be a lawyer and therefore at least by implication to have
> respect for the evidence of consequential connection), does Ms Palin
> have to do with Nigeria? Where did Ms Palin advocate shooting people
> in the streets without trial? And, while we're on the questions you
> cannot answer, Why are you such a useless wanker?
>
> > --
> > Sandy
> > Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
>
> They must hang their heads in shame on the streets of Verneuil-sur-
> Seine when the fat lawyer in the overtight latex passes.
>
> The rest is a quote from one 'Buttonwood' in The Economist given, with
> approval implied, by Sandy in his tagline. It further demonstrates
> that Sandy is either appallingly ignorant or monumentally stupid or
> both:
>
> > Economics and markets are not like chemistry.
>
> No, they're more akin to psychology. It is only marxists and muslims
> who think the laws of economics are mechanical.
>
> > One can discover "laws" or
> > patterns in past data, but acting on those patterns will affect the
> > future;
>
> Holy shit! This moron 'Buttonwood' writes in The Economist (note the
> name of the journal!) and he doesn't know that the *purpose* of
> economic policy is to act on past patterns precisely in order to
> 'affect the future'. And Sandy, a lawyer who is supposed to honour or
> at least understand logic, approves of a statement that denounces this
> necessary link. (If Sandy quoted Buttonwood correctly, can anyone be
> surprised that real economists give the The Economist a wide berth and
> read The New Statesman instead? Readers of The Economist and the
> Guardian largely coincide, and for good reason; misery and ignorance
> loves its own company.)
>
> >whereas a chemical does not change its behaviour because we have
> > discovered it.
>
> Economics in practice is the art of adding a catalyst. That Sandy
> cannot see for himself that the analogy he approves is pisspoor is the
> final condemnation of a slack, hysterically emotional 'mind'.
>
> > Buttonwood -
> > The Economist, 28 jan 2010
>
> 'Buttonwood' and Sandy, two idiots with adipose tissue on the brain
> who deserve each other.
>
> Andre Jute
> Global Warming is like Scientology, only with less science -- but at
> least it is more logical than Sandy's politics!
>
> PS I spent 27 years in Africa, and was effective enough for the
> apartheid government to declare me a revolutionary and twice to send
> assassins after me, whereas Sandy is making a flying visit and hasn't
> even landed when he starts shooting off at the mouth. So, in the light
> of our relative experience (27 years for me, none for Sandy): about
> the extra-judicial killings that disturb Sandy so, I noticed in Africa
> that the brutality in ex-French colonies is more disgusting and of a
> higher level but always better hidden (the French still had forced
> labour gangs, essentially slavery, into the 1950s) than in the ex-
> British colonies like Nigeria. Of course the Army officers and police
> bosses who ordered the killings should be tried and if found guilty
> punished according to their crime, but what is much more important is
> to bring to trial the political leaders responsible for originating
> the order. Notice that these actions are exactly what I would expect
> Americans to undertake, because Justice is a division of Truth, which
> is indivisible, whereas Sandy, a lawyer, despicably doesn't once
> mention a trial for these men. He is happy for Al Jazeera to be judge,
> jury and executioner. Actually, the one here who deserves no mercy is
> Sandy: he's a lawyer who's sold out principle for hysterical advocacy
> without even waiting for his plane to land so he can enquire into the
> facts; despicable behaviour for anyone but especially for a lawyer.
I'm staying out of this one but, Mon Dieu Mr. Jute, what a screed! I'd
give you full rbr marks but you failed to mention Jerry Lewis. A
damned pity.
Andrew Price
<ta...@seesig.invalid> wrote:
>> Hey Chalo! Canadians too are pursuing cultural hegemony and
>> exploiting Haitians.
>
>Yeah, but they're polite about it.
As always!
Peter Cole
> Although the United States built the infrastructure (hospitals,
> schools, roads, phones) in Haiti and gave it its first democratic
> election, I also agree that it did many stupid things that were
> characteristic of the '50s CIA (and later). This was our stock
> response to instability in the Caribbean. We are still evil and should
> stay out of Haiti for its own good. The strong and caring central
> government of Haiti should be left to take care of its people without
> meddling or intervention by the US, UN or any other organized
> government or government-sponsored groups. Once that occurs, Haiti
> will return to its golden age of peace, tranquility and economic
> prosperity. -- Jay Beattie.
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during
that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big
Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer,
a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico
safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a
decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I
helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the
benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International
Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the
Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped
make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China
in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.
Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best
he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on
three continents."
"Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 � June 21, 1940), nicknamed
"The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye", was a Major General in the
U.S. Marine Corps and, at the time of his death, the most decorated
Marine in U.S. history. During his 34 years of service, Butler was
awarded 16 medals, five of which were for heroism. He is one of only 19
people to be twice awarded the Medal of Honor, one of three to be
awarded a Marine Corps Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor, and the only
person to be awarded the Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor for two
different actions."
>
Bob Schwartz
Everyone in Nigeria has two guns.
Andre Jute
> Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 7:16 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroFans.com> wrote:
>
> >> That was quite an response! It took at least one cup of coffee to get
> >> through that.
>
> > That makes no sense. It took less than five seconds to scroll past it.
>
> > Surely you don't _read_ "Jute," do you??
>
> > - Frank Krygowski
>
> I just read stuff if its entertaining. Who is Jute?
Poor old Krygo tried arguing wtih me once and retired hurt. Now, still
not having any answers, his only claim to fame is that he doesn't read
what I say. Pathetic. But here's the biggest joke of all: the
authorities let this limp-minded idiot Frank Krygowsky *teach the
children* of those too poor to send them away to good schools. That
must be what sociologists mean by 'self-regenerating inferiority'. --
Andre Jute
To save looking it up, this is what poor old Krygo didn't read:
On Feb 9, 6:20 pm, Sandy <leur...@free.fr> wrote:
>OT: I am sorry I have been a little rude lately
Such mindless arrogance and boorish rudeness is commonly what we
expect of you daily, so we didn't notice.
> It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
Americans may and often are insular and provincial. They have quite a
few good excuses. A Frenchman and, worse, a French intellectual (even
a French shyster, unlike his American counterpart, is at least
nominally a member of the intelligentsia) has none of these excuses
for ignorance, stupidity and bias.
It is not how much information you have, but whether your mind is a
fit instrument to process it. Your mind, dear Sandy, is not a fit
instrument, as I shall immediately demonstrate.
> Like the news
> organization, Al Jazeera.
Unless you want to argue that Al Jazeera, by reason of being owned
Andre Jute
> On Feb 9, 4:26 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > {massive snip}
>
> Do you get paid by the word? Jeez, you're a windbag.
>
> R
I'm sorry your attention span is so short, Rico.
Andre Jute
One Rico d'jour is enough Rico for a month already -- and that's
Rico's mother speaking!
This is what Rico failed to follow:
Andre Jute
> On 10 Feb, 00:05, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 9, 3:06 pm, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 9, 1:20 pm, Sandy <leur...@free.fr> wrote:
>
> > > > It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> > > > organization, Al Jazeera. Take a look at the story, the video, and most
> > > > of all look at the stories on the right-hand column. Explore a little,
> > > > and maybe you will pardon my having been a bit abrupt of late. I am due
> > > > (maybe) to land in Lagos soon. I am really hesitant to be of use to
> > > > those who want to get rich from the misery their dollars and euros
>
> > > > Anyway, here's the link:
>
> > > >http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/02/2010298114949112.html
>
> > > > Sarah Palin wants to reintroduce.--
> > > > Sandy
> > > > Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
> > > > -
> > > > Economics and markets are not like chemistry. One can discover "laws" or
> > > > patterns in past data, but acting on those patterns will affect the
> > > > discovered it.
>
> > > > Buttonwood -
> > > > The Economist, 28 jan 2010
>
> > > feel may have wrong, should be allowed to go on without taking them to
> > > task over the content of their apology.
>
> > Not when their apology is laced with insults.
>
> Not so much a back handed apology, but more like a Glagow kiss.
Okay, I'll bite. What's a 'Glasgow kiss'? -- AJ
Andre Jute
> On Feb 9, 8:03 pm, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Scott wrote:
>
> > > Sandy wrote:
>
> > > > It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> > > > broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
>
>
> > Sounds more like truth-telling than insult to me.
>
> > If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
> > haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
> > of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
> > strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
> > observation that overall we are not a force for good.
>
> force for bad, we should save the money and just spend it at home
> having fun -- like maybe build a big theme park and water slide with
> the billions we would save. Most of the unmitigated hell holes in the
> world were created by European colonists and not the United States.
> Pick a failed country, any country. Let me guess; it is a former
> British/French colony? Most of the problems in the Middle East are
> due to the English drawing up boarders on the backs of coctail
> napkins.
While I'm generally in agreement with you in this thread, Jay, the
above is crap. It was WW1 that drew those middle-Eastern borders.
Historically, if you want to point fingers for border drawing, I'm
afraid that the Americans and the CIA in particular are smack bang in
the bullseye. Did you for instance know that Allen Dulles, who was
later the head of the CIA, at the Paris peace conference on Secretary
Lansing's party, drew the borders of what would become Czechoslovakia
because he was the only one who knew where Bohemia etc were? Of course
I don't need to remind you that WW2 was fought over the borders drawn
by Lansing's bright young men, who were later leaders in the OSS and
then the CIA (which in my opinion is unfairly blamed for a lot of crap
they didn't do).
> Let them clean up the mess. We had the Marshall plan. Top
> that for cleaning up a mess. -- Jay Beattie.
'Top that'? Nobody can. The Marshall Plan was the greatest
humanitarian and charitable project ever. It has every claim to become
a religion; the only reason it hasn't is because the French are
ingrates who bite the hand that feeds them. That is therefore an
entirely appropriate discussion to have in a thread in which a
disgusting surrender-froggie like Sandy once more displays his lack of
moral fibre.
Andre Jute
Now let us praise George Marshall -- Ecclesiastes
Andre Jute
Heh-heh. Papa Doc will rise from the grave to lead his people to the
promised land. Baby Doc, a little worse for wear (didn't he get his at
the round end of Thompson -- those things fire .50 slow-tumbling
bullets that really rip up the victim) will jig in front of the rest
of the zombies from the Ton Ton Macoute, and greatness and sweetness
will return to Haitian-style democracy! And Sandy will have many
opportunities to blame the Americans for *not* acting...
Andre Jute
Let the good times roll!
Tad McClellan
> Okay, I'll bite. What's a 'Glasgow kiss'? -- AJ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_kiss
Andre Jute
I had Jerry Lewis in there, but he's a cult figure in France where he
is considered a great movie director, so I scratched Jerry Lewis
because the surrender-froggie Sandy would get it, and there's no point
in making it easy for slime to understand how one undermines it. I
also thought but only briefly of replacing one of my exclamations with
the Jerry Lee Lewis reference 'Great balls of fire!' but scratched
that as well as because so many fat French boys like Sandy are closet
lovers of everything American, especially rock'n'roll, jazz, and cars;
they also pine after blondly pigtailed bobby-soxers but that's another
whole story.
Still, you're right, a damned pity to leave off Jerry Lewis. While
we're talking abut him, I might just point out that some of Jerry
Lewis's finest work as an actor came late in his career in television
when he played a clothing manufacturer and distraught father in the
series 'Wiseguy' by the Canadian writer and producer Stephen J Cannell
that starred Ken Wahl. Ron Silver and Stanley Tucci, both very strong
character actors, were also in that set, and Jerry Lewis gave them a
masterclass.
Andre Jute
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http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/
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constructor"
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"an unbelievably comprehensive web site containing vital gems of
wisdom"
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Andre Jute
> "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye", was a Major General in the
> U.S. Marine Corps and, at the time of his death, the most decorated
> Marine in U.S. history. During his 34 years of service, Butler was
> awarded 16 medals, five of which were for heroism. He is one of only 19
> people to be twice awarded the Medal of Honor, one of three to be
> awarded a Marine Corps Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor, and the only
> person to be awarded the Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor for two
> different actions."
"The Fighting Quaker", eh. Thirty-three years and four months is a
long time to get religion and start repenting. That's the thing about
old sinners, that they have had so long to enjoy their sins.
Andre Jute
“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea
that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine
and the like would fit the bill.” -- Club of Rome, The First Global
Revolution
Matt Chambers
"heather" <cle...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:7tel5n...@mid.individual.net...
> Matt Chambers wrote:
>> In 1994, I spent a little over a month in Lagos, Nigeria working for the
>> now defunct USIA.
>> The assignment was to help them develop their "National Cycling Team".
>
> that's interesting, (I'm not being sarcastic!) I didn't know that about
> you, Matt.
>
>> What a nightmare
>> of an existence for those athletes.
>
> :(
>
> heather
>
AMuzi
> thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> Not so much a back handed apology, but more like a Glagow kiss.
Andre Jute wrote:
> Okay, I'll bite. What's a 'Glasgow kiss'? -- AJ
I had to look that up too:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/
RicodJour
> On Feb 9, 11:59 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 4:26 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Do you get paid by the word? Jeez, you're a windbag.
>
Yeah, it's a failing I have. I don't indulge people in love with the
sound of their own voices.
R
news.suddenlink.net
"Chalo" <chalo....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8db275ec-5a78-45e9...@z17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
Scott wrote:
>
> Sandy wrote:
> >
> > It's just that the scope of my activities keep me in touch with a
> > broader world that isolated Americans seldom examine.
>
Sounds more like truth-telling than insult to me.
If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
observation that overall we are not a force for good.
Chalo
How about SHUT THE FUCK UP CHALO!
You're an American hating son of a Mexican whore yet you live here. I'll
bet you're a bit more careful in real life. In some states a .38 slug could
find it's way into your treasonous brain very easily if you speak your
betrayal of your CHOSEN country so openly.
Why is it I only hear about decent cyclists getting run down by drunk
drivers? One would be doing us all a service if they killed you chalo.
Please tell me you didn't reproduce?
Frank Krygowski
>
> > Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> > > Surely you don't _read_ "Jute," do you??
>
> not having any answers, his only claim to fame is that he doesn't read
> what I say.
Bullshit, McCoy, AKA "Jute." I retired from arguing with you in the
same way Albert Einstein would retire from arguing with Homer Simpson.
To be clear: I do occasionally give you another chance, by skimming
what you write. On occasion, I've even answered your questions, when
you've asked meaningful ones.
But your usual egotistical blather would be boring even if it were
brief. Unfortunately, it never seems to be brief.
I remain astonished that anyone really reads your posts.
- Frank Krygowski
Jay Beattie
> "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye", was a Major General in the
> U.S. Marine Corps and, at the time of his death, the most decorated
> Marine in U.S. history. During his 34 years of service, Butler was
> awarded 16 medals, five of which were for heroism. He is one of only 19
> people to be twice awarded the Medal of Honor, one of three to be
> awarded a Marine Corps Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor, and the only
> person to be awarded the Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor for two
> different actions."
This is exactly what I am saying. Corporations should have their own
armies and not use our Marines unless they are willing to pay temp
agency rates.
Note that corporate invasions present staggering branding
opportunities. We could have the United Exxon Emirates or the Peoples
Republic of Walmartia.
Hey, the French invasion of Mexico was just a foreclosure action. I
see no problem with foreclosing on collateral, even if the collateral
is a country. A loan is a loan. The French should have rebranded
Mexico as "Mexico brought to you by France" or Mexifrance or
Francico.-- Jay Beattie.
Jay Beattie
I was thinking about borders drawn in the Middle East by the British
at various times. The British created countries and gave them to
families. Hey, I want a country! Beattie America -- a small, inner-
city country with a totalitarian leader and no oil (I retired my oil
tank and connected to gas). Regrettably, I am being occupied by the
United States.
> > Let them clean up the mess. We had the Marshall plan. Top
> > that for cleaning up a mess. -- Jay Beattie.
>
> 'Top that'? Nobody can. The Marshall Plan was the greatest
> humanitarian and charitable project ever. It has every claim to become
> a religion; the only reason it hasn't is because the French are
> ingrates who bite the hand that feeds them. That is therefore an
> entirely appropriate discussion to have in a thread in which a
> disgusting surrender-froggie like Sandy once more displays his lack of
> moral fibre.
>
> Andre Jute
> Now let us praise George Marshall -- Ecclesiastes- Hide quoted text -
The Marshall plan was really the Truman plan, but nonetheless,
Marshall was a great man, and everybody seems to agree on that --
regardless of party affiliation. His decisions always seemed to be
right, although he couldn't get elected dog catcher if he were alive
today because of his views on Israel. -- Jay Beattie.
Tom Sherman °_°
> [...[
> It's not clear to me that we're funding defense adequately or
> effectively yet. The numbers are historically not high in terms of
Yeah, when you take the money spent on offense (Iraq and Pipelinestan)
out, it becomes less than the rest of the world combined.
--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
"Since 1945, by deed and by example, the US has overthrown 50
governments, including democracies, crushed some 30 liberation
movements and supported tyrannies from Egypt to Guatemala."
- John Pilger
Tom Sherman °_°
Oooh, a brave anonymous poster! /sarcasm
Learn to quote properly, you anonymous coward.
Howard Kveck
William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The "Two Guns" thread is one of the best examples of trolling. Five words in the
subject, three in the post, no replies by the OP, 432 posts total. Awesomeness.
--
tanx,
Howard
Caught playing safe
It's a bored game
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
heather
> Do we know each other?
No, only from rbr posts.
h
Fred Fredburger
That is one hell of an interesting quote. I didn't believe it, so I
looked it up. The book is called "War Is a Racket", published in 1935.
z
War is Iraq-ette?
Andre Jute
Now we've had two smugly self-congratulatory posts from you to
complain about the length of my reply to the French scumbag Sandy, but
you haven't contributed anything at all to the conversation, merely a
complaint about the form of it. Do you have any content to add, Rico?
Do you indeed have any intrinsic value? Or is this creepy whining the
totality of Rico? Why should I care shit what a useless person like
you thinks?
Andre Jute
Rico d'jour is enough Rico for a month -- says Rico's mum!
Andre Jute
Gee, Frankie-boy, has it really taken you two years since I put you
down in that motor-pacing thread to crawl out of your shell and write
to me again? So nice to hear from you every few years.
Are you planning to contribute anything to the content of this thread,
which is on the arrogance of the French? Or will you just whine that
my post dissecting Sandy like a frog on the lab bench was too long for
your soundbite intelligence?
Chalo
> >>
> >> If you don't think Americans are mostly a bunch of ignorant oafs, you
> >> haven't been paying attention (or haven't left the country for a basis
> >> of comparison). And I say this as a proud and faithful American. I
> >> strongly believe that we are good in our hearts, but I know from
> >> observation that overall we are not a force for good.
> > >
> >> Chalo
> >
> > How about SHUT THE FUCK UP CHALO!
>
> Oooh, a brave anonymous poster! /sarcasm
>
> Learn to quote properly, you anonymous coward.
Yeah, that "news@suddenlink" dude is a real tough guy, and a patriot
too. That's why he stands ready to defend America against Americans
who think it's our duty to behave better than international
psychopaths.
Chalo
Kurgan Gringioni
"Howard Kveck" <YOURh...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
news:YOURhoward-D58A1...@news.giganews.com...
>
> The "Two Guns" thread is one of the best examples of trolling. Five
> words in the
> subject, three in the post, no replies by the OP, 432 posts total.
> Awesomeness.
Dumbass -
Four words in the subject (not five).
I've never seen a better example of trolling. Have you?
Kurgan Gringioni
"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgrin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hl086p$cmk$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Dumbass -
nm, you're right, there are 5 words. I didn't remember his first name being
included.
arthr...@webtv.net
>
> - Show quoted text -
No wonder we had a 100 Years long war. No wonder we had two World
Wars. No wonder Europe has been divided for 45 years in the more
recent memory. Old disagreements are still prevalent to some. And if
the French are so evil, why does the English language contain so many
Gallic expressions? Even over here, in the US, French bashing is very
common for some strange and unknown reason.
Howard Kveck
"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgrin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Howard Kveck" <YOURh...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
> news:YOURhoward-D58A1...@news.giganews.com...
> >
> > The "Two Guns" thread is one of the best examples of trolling. Five
> > words in the subject, three in the post, no replies by the OP, 432 posts
> > total. Awesomeness.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Four words in the subject (not five).
"Brian Trdina has two guns!!!"
> I've never seen a better example of trolling. Have you?
Nope. That thread ended up going all over the map. It also has the distinction of
containing the first use of the "read less, understand more" suggestion by R Chung.
Howard Kveck
Chalo <chalo....@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm always amused by fine, upstanding American patriots (like "news@suddenlink")
who toss out death wishes for those they disagree with. Shades of 2001. Not clear on
the concept, are they?
Tony Elka
<1d8d6a61-820f-4a7e...@f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
arthr...@webtv.net wrote:
> No wonder we had a 100 Years long war. No wonder we had two World
> Wars. No wonder Europe has been divided for 45 years in the more
> recent memory. Old disagreements are still prevalent to some. And if
> the French are so evil, why does the English language contain so many
> Gallic expressions? Even over here, in the US, French bashing is very
> common for some strange and unknown reason.
It's only common in the USA among right-wing yahoos.
Some of us remember that without French aid, we'd still be a collection
of British colonies.
Tony
arthr...@webtv.net
> In article
> <1d8d6a61-820f-4a7e-9296-773389dc3...@f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
>
> arthrny...@webtv.net wrote:
> > No wonder we had a 100 Years long war. No wonder we had two World
> > Wars. No wonder Europe has been divided for 45 years in the more
> > recent memory. Old disagreements are still prevalent to some. And if
> > the French are so evil, why does the English language contain so many
> > Gallic expressions? Even over here, in the US, French bashing is very
> > common for some strange and unknown reason.
>
> It's only common in the USA among right-wing yahoos.
>
> Some of us remember that without French aid, we'd still be a collection
> of British colonies.
>
> Tony
Yep. The battle of Yorktown,1781. The French army had more troops than
George Washington's!