Contador's chance to become legendary
ronaldo_jeremiah
an opportunity this is for Contador to burnish his legend. Here is
what he should do.
He should accept that he gained 30s or whatever it was over Schleck in
a way that was less than honorable, and he can do this without
admitting to any guilt. He can simply say, as he has, that the
situation wasn't clear, the heat was on, whatever. Then, he should
announce that, in the spirit of fair play, he will concede these ill-
gotten gains. When the TT starts in a few days time, he should wait
that amount of time after his signal to begin before heading down the
ramp.
It's a no-lose strategy. It makes him look sporting. If he loses the
Tour by that handful of seconds, people will talk about it for
decades, and he already has some Tours on his palmares, so it wouldn't
be that tragic for his record and career if he lost this one under
those circumstances. And if he wins anyway, as he likely would, well
that's a positive outcome too.
-rj
RicodJour
wrote:
Yeah, I'm sure the team and sponsors would be thrilled to lose the
money and become a laughingstock because AC was grandstanding.
It would be a bitchin' move though.
R
Anton Berlin
from doing the right thing at the RIGHT TIME.
It's too late to go back and unspill the milk that makes it so clear
that you're a stab in the back win at any costs cunt.
Cuntador doesn't even make a decent 'mini-me'
Fredmaster of Brainerd
wrote:
Dumbass,
It's a bike race, not a pillow fight.
Contador should only do that if he's close enough
to Schleck that he's dead certain to maintain a lead
or pass him in the TT even when giving up 31 seconds
or whatever it was.
Which is another way of saying that I agree (partly)
with Anton - class is about doing the right thing at the
moment, not making up for it later. If Contador gives
up 31 seconds and wins by a safe margin anyway,
the gesture was empty. If he gives up 31 seconds
and loses, he's unprofessional. If he cuts it really
close, he's a gambler, which is entertaining but not
the same as softpedaling on the road at the time
would have been - that would have showed confidence.
On the other hand, I don't agree with Anton that he's
a dick for pedaling when Andy dropped chain. Maybe
he should have made it less obvious by pedaling
without obvious attacking, but it's a race. You want a
nickname like the Cannibal or the Badger, not the
Huggy Bear.
Fredmaster Ben
Amit Ghosh
dumbass,
contador is the patron of the tour, he has won the last four GTs he
has started and schleck has not won shit.
contador should not even throw him a bone and even entertain the idea
that schleck is doing anything other than keeping the jersey warm
until he is inevitably steamrolled in the TT and laugh at he notion
that he should have waited while schleck fiddles with his bike.
Amit Ghosh
dumbass,
the idea that contaor should've waited after schleck attacked and
jammed his chain is laughable.
instead of regretting his move contador should've told the press that
schleck needs to learn how to ride his bike and then maybe he might be
ready to win next year.
Davey Crockett
| the idea that contaor should've waited after schleck attacked and
| jammed his chain is laughable.
>
| instead of regretting his move contador should've told the press that
| schleck needs to learn how to ride his bike and then maybe he might be
| ready to win next year.
You're right on there
--
Four more banks in the United States have been shut down,
bringing the number of failed banks to 90 so far this year.
Amit Ghosh
dumbass,
after the italians jammed the pump into dave stoller's wheel, should
they have waited for him ?
what would've been the sporting strategy there ?
Uncle Dave
wrote:
You know, you really ought to take those tablets when you're told
to...
UD
Uncle Dave
> On Jul 20, 10:23 am, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > All this bullshit about the chain, and no one has yet mentioned what
> > an opportunity this is for Contador to burnish his legend. Here is
> > what he should do.
>
> > He should accept that he gained 30s or whatever it was over Schleck in
> > a way that was less than honorable, and he can do this without
> > admitting to any guilt. He can simply say, as he has, that the
> > situation wasn't clear, the heat was on, whatever. Then, he should
> > announce that, in the spirit of fair play, he will concede these ill-
> > gotten gains. When the TT starts in a few days time, he should wait
> > that amount of time after his signal to begin before heading down the
> > ramp.
>
> > It's a no-lose strategy. It makes him look sporting. If he loses the
> > Tour by that handful of seconds, people will talk about it for
> > decades, and he already has some Tours on his palmares, so it wouldn't
> > be that tragic for his record and career if he lost this one under
> > those circumstances. And if he wins anyway, as he likely would, well
> > that's a positive outcome too.
>
> dumbass,
>
> contador is the patron of the tour, he has won the last four GTs he
> has started and schleck has not won shit.
Why would anyone want to win shit anyway? I wouldn't. Would you?
UD
raamman
I really like that idea of yours- I doubt that AC will ever get to
hear it- but it would help diffuse the negative cloud around him if he
did hear it and announce his intentions prior to the TT. I would do a
lot to restore a sense of honour and fair-play in procycling; such a
gesture would be legendary in fact.
raamman
>
> - Show quoted text -
taking the high ground is always worth more than just winning- it is
winning, but with class ( because the tdf is just a marketing exercise
anyways )
Fred Flintstein
> taking the high ground is always worth more than just winning- it is
> winning, but with class ( because the tdf is just a marketing exercise
> anyways )
If Schleck wanted to win with class he'd learn how to
ride his bike without fucking up shifts and stop whining.
I'd like to see Contador catch Schleck in the time trial
and stick a water bottle in his cage, like Koblet did to
Bartali in 1951.
Fred Flintstein
Scott
Being the top GC rider does not necessarily equate to being the
patron. I don't think we've seen anything to declare Contador a
patron. Now, Cancellara, that's different.
RicodJour
> On Jul 20, 9:23 am, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > contador is the patron of the tour, he has won the last four GTs he
> > has started and schleck has not won shit.
>
> patron. I don't think we've seen anything to declare Contador a
> patron. Now, Cancellara, that's different.
I was wondering when someone would call Amit on his AC as patron
bullshit. AC may be the strongest rider, but he is not the patron or
even a patron. He doesn't have enough respect for anything other than
his riding ability, and there's a good bit more required.
The applicable definitions - not cycling-specific, but still
pertinent, applicable and correct.
pa·tron (pā'trən) n.
3. also (pä-trōn') The owner or manager of an establishment,
especially a restaurant or an inn of France or Spain.
4. 1. A noble or wealthy person in ancient Rome who granted favor
and protection to someone in exchange for certain services.
See? If AC owns a restaurant or tavern in Spain, then sure, he's a
patron. Otherwise, not so much.
R
Steve Freides
> All this bullshit about the chain, and no one has yet mentioned what
> an opportunity this is for Contador to burnish his legend. Here is
> what he should do.
> When the TT starts in a few days time, he should wait
> that amount of time after his signal to begin before heading down the
> ramp.
No, what he should do is win by a lot more than 31 seconds so that
everyone realizes the chain drop incident is a tempest in a teapot and
doesn't mean anything, anyway. The only way this matters is if he wins
the Tour by less than 31 seconds. (I know, tactics, and if he'd waited,
then things might have turned differently that day, and on subsequent
days, and if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a trolley car.)
-S-
Kurgan Gringioni
"ronaldo_jeremiah" <ronaldo_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:48ae85fa-533c-48f6...@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
: All this bullshit about the chain, and no one has yet mentioned what
: an opportunity this is for Contador to burnish his legend. Here is
: what he should do.
:
: He should accept that he gained 30s or whatever it was over Schleck in
: a way that was less than honorable, and he can do this without
: admitting to any guilt. He can simply say, as he has, that the
: situation wasn't clear, the heat was on, whatever. Then, he should
: announce that, in the spirit of fair play, he will concede these ill-
: gotten gains. When the TT starts in a few days time, he should wait
: that amount of time after his signal to begin before heading down the
: ramp.
Dumbass -
I was thinking the same thing.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Frederick the Great
<9cc0a768-4917-45f1...@t10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 20, 4:23 pm, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > All this bullshit about the chain, and no one has yet mentioned what
> > an opportunity this is for Contador to burnish his legend. Here is
> > what he should do.
> >
> > He should accept that he gained 30s or whatever it was over Schleck in
> > a way that was less than honorable, and he can do this without
> > admitting to any guilt. He can simply say, as he has, that the
> > situation wasn't clear, the heat was on, whatever. Then, he should
> > announce that, in the spirit of fair play, he will concede these ill-
> > gotten gains. When the TT starts in a few days time, he should wait
> > that amount of time after his signal to begin before heading down the
> > ramp.
> >
> > It's a no-lose strategy. It makes him look sporting. If he loses the
> > Tour by that handful of seconds, people will talk about it for
> > decades, and he already has some Tours on his palmares, so it wouldn't
> > be that tragic for his record and career if he lost this one under
> > those circumstances. And if he wins anyway, as he likely would, well
> > that's a positive outcome too.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> It's a bike race, not a pillow fight.
>
> Contador should only do that if he's close enough
> to Schleck that he's dead certain to maintain a lead
> or pass him in the TT even when giving up 31 seconds
> or whatever it was.
>
> Which is another way of saying that I agree (partly)
> with Anton - class is about doing the right thing at the
> moment, not making up for it later. If Contador gives
> up 31 seconds and wins by a safe margin anyway,
> the gesture was empty. If he gives up 31 seconds
> and loses, he's unprofessional. If he cuts it really
> close, he's a gambler, which is entertaining but not
> the same as softpedaling on the road at the time
> would have been - that would have showed confidence.
This calculus of seconds is too fragile to support real
world actions. Remember that we do not know what would
have happened. Schleck attacked looking to take time
out of Contador. AC counter-attacked. Now what? Who can
say AC does not get a gap on AS anyway?
> On the other hand, I don't agree with Anton that he's
> a dick for pedaling when Andy dropped chain. Maybe
> he should have made it less obvious by pedaling
> without obvious attacking, but it's a race. You want a
> nickname like the Cannibal or the Badger, not the
> Huggy Bear.
Agree.
--
Old Fritz
Amit Ghosh
> Being the top GC rider does not necessarily equate to being the
> patron. I don't think we've seen anything to declare Contador a
> patron. Now, Cancellara, that's different.
dumbass,
winning four GTs including two tours makes contador a patron (another
word for it is boss), but he does not get the respect he deserves
because he looks like a mexican busboy, it's prejudice based on a
superficial impression.
armstrong had the same feeling - he thought contaodr should wait up
for him in the mtn. stages last year.
once the prologue is over cancellara spends the rest of the tour
eating a dick. i have not seen his fat ass all week.
saxo, if they were serious would leave his ass at home and find a
mountain domestique who could make it into the lead group in the
alps.
Scott
No, results do not define who gets patron status. You don't get to be
the boss by just winning the GTs. As for why he doesn't get the
respect he deserves (your words, not mine) it doesn't matter why.
What matters is that he doesn't. It doesn't help matters that he
doesn't act 'patron-like'.
Ryan Cousineau
Steve is smart. This is the winning strategy for Contador.
Also, weren't Menchov and Sanchez already up the road?
Victor Kan
> Also, weren't Menchov and Sanchez already up the road?
Not initially. Schleck created a gap, Vino caught onto it, Schleck
threw his chain and a beat later, Contador flew by, with Menchov and
Sanchez following. A little later, the three of them were together
and Contador pulled off to the side a few times to look back, saw
nobody coming each time.
Anyway, this is all water under the bridge. Contador and Schleck
reportedly have buried the hatchet and will put it all out there
tomorrow and in the ITT and we'll see what happens.