Manipulating blood values

Anton Berlin

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Jun 21, 2010, 3:47:53 PM6/21/10

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Does anyone have a clear idea what the testing protocol is?

Are riders escorted and watched from finish to testing?

Does the rider have enough time to manipulate their blood values by
infusion of IV fluids?

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4607/Bassos-biological-passport-numbers-from-Giro-dItalia-published.aspx

Brad Anders

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Jun 21, 2010, 4:31:45 PM6/21/10

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On Jun 21, 12:47 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have a clear idea what the testing protocol is?
>
> Are riders escorted and watched from finish to testing?
>
> Does the rider have enough time to manipulate their blood values by
> infusion of IV fluids?
>

> http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4607/Bassos-biological-passport-num...

You need a new hobby, like following golf.

Brad Anders

harg...@yahoo.com

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Jun 21, 2010, 4:47:58 PM6/21/10

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My understanding is that the riders required to report to the testing
after the finish. I believe that they have to report immediately. The
testing area is so close to the podium that it would be almost
impossible to cheat.

On Jun 21, 12:47 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have a clear idea what the testing protocol is?
>
> Are riders escorted and watched from finish to testing?
>
> Does the rider have enough time to manipulate their blood values by
> infusion of IV fluids?
>

> http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4607/Bassos-biological-passport-num...

Mark J.

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Jun 21, 2010, 5:00:51 PM6/21/10

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In last week's Tour de Suisse, each stage winner was almost immediately
accompanied by someone in a "UCI chaperone" jacket. By "almost
immediately" I mean as they slowed after crossing the finish line. This
was visible on TV coverage for several stages; the chaperone jogged
along side the winner and in one case was clearly directing the rider
where to go, as the TV camera tagged along behind.

Mark J.

harg...@yahoo.com

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Jun 21, 2010, 6:54:29 PM6/21/10

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On Jun 21, 2:00 pm, "Mark J." <MarkUse...@comcast.net> wrote:

> hargo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > My understanding is that the riders required to report to the testing
> > after the finish. I believe that they have to report immediately. The
> > testing area is so close to the podium that it would be almost
> > impossible to cheat.
>
> > On Jun 21, 12:47 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Does anyone have a clear idea what the testing protocol is?
>
> >> Are riders escorted and watched from finish to testing?
>
> >> Does the rider have enough time to manipulate their blood values by
> >> infusion of IV fluids?
>
> >>http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4607/Bassos-biological-passport-num...
>

This is very good to hear. Hopefully the press notices this and
reports it. The cycling can to ensure confidence in clean cycling the
better.

Anton Berlin

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Jun 21, 2010, 7:49:09 PM6/21/10

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On Jun 21, 4:00 pm, "Mark J." <MarkUse...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Mark J.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I noticed this as well for the Suisse. Was the same used in the Giro
and more importantly will it occur in the TdF?

B. Lafferty

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Jun 21, 2010, 8:39:05 PM6/21/10

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And free Pot Belge for all riders on the final run in to Paris.

It would be wonderful if all the top riders had their blood values
tracked and made public every day. Maybe a Frenchman will even win the
Tour. But which one???????????? ;-)

harg...@yahoo.com

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Jun 21, 2010, 8:54:05 PM6/21/10

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I assume that they will use the same testing procedure in the TDF
since the UCI was in charge. Now supposedly the ASO was going to
manage it's own drug testing. So they would have to meet or exceed the
the UCI's testing procedures.

Amit Ghosh

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Jun 22, 2010, 9:17:07 AM6/22/10

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On Jun 21, 3:47 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have a clear idea what the testing protocol is?
>
> Are riders escorted and watched from finish to testing?
>
> Does the rider have enough time to manipulate their blood values by
> infusion of IV fluids?
>

> http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4607/Bassos-biological-passport-num...

dumbass,

read the article.

the blood values are from the vampires - mornings prior to stages and
rest days/off days - not from doping control after the stage.

Frederick the Great

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Jun 22, 2010, 12:14:52 PM6/22/10

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In article
<dbc8d14c-67e7-4d71...@c33g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
"harg...@yahoo.com" <harg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Jun 21, 2:00 pm, "Mark J." <MarkUse...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > hargo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > My understanding is that the riders required to report to the testing
> > > after the finish. I believe that they have to report immediately. The
> > > testing area is so close to the podium that it would be almost
> > > impossible to cheat.
> >
> > > On Jun 21, 12:47 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> Does anyone have a clear idea what the testing protocol is?
> >
> > >> Are riders escorted and watched from finish to testing?
> >
> > >> Does the rider have enough time to manipulate their blood values by
> > >> infusion of IV fluids?
> >
> > >>http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4607/Bassos-biological-passport-num...
> >
>
> This is very good to hear. Hopefully the press notices this and
> reports it. The cycling can to ensure confidence in clean cycling the
> better.

[chokes on morning coffee and Xanax]

--
Old Fritz

Frederick the Great

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Jun 22, 2010, 12:15:49 PM6/22/10

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In article
<77d9fcec-ad18-4ab9...@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>,
Brad Anders <pban...@gmail.com> wrote:

_That_ drug infused "sport"?
Who can afford better dope:
professional golfers or professional cyclists?

--
Old Fritz

Amit Ghosh

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Jun 22, 2010, 12:22:35 PM6/22/10

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On Jun 21, 4:47 pm, "hargo...@yahoo.com" <hargo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> My understanding is that the riders required to report to the testing
> after the finish. I believe that they have to report immediately. The
> testing area is so close to the podium that it would be almost
> impossible to cheat.

dumbass,

the athletes already know how to game the system, which is why out of
competition testing and then the biological passport have been
developed, to keep up with the ingenuity of the dopers.

if the athletes know when/where they will be tested (ie. post race)
the best dopers will be able to evade the controls easily.

Anton Berlin

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Jun 22, 2010, 2:05:31 PM6/22/10

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http://article.wn.com/view/2010/06/10/Bordry_slams_UCIs_biological_passport_w/

Betty

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Jun 22, 2010, 3:52:15 PM6/22/10

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> In article
> <dbc8d14c-67e7-4d71...@c33g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,

> "
>
>> On Jun 21, 2:00 pm, "Mark J." <MarkUse...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> hargo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> My understanding is that the riders required to report to the testing
>>>> after the finish. I believe that they have to report immediately. The
>>>> testing area is so close to the podium that it would be almost
>>>> impossible to cheat.
>>>> On Jun 21, 12:47 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone have a clear idea what the testing protocol is?
>>>>> Are riders escorted and watched from finish to testing?
>>>>> Does the rider have enough time to manipulate their blood values by
>>>>> infusion of IV fluids?
>>>>> http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4607/Bassos-biological-passport-num...

hargow20 wrote:
>> The cycling can to ensure confidence in clean cycling the
>> better.

Frederick the Great wrote:
> [chokes on morning coffee and Xanax]

Just take another 2 Xanaxes to calm you down. Anyway you're lucky the
mix works:
<http://www.springerlink.com/content/7106718r61458147/>

Amit Ghosh

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Jun 22, 2010, 4:11:04 PM6/22/10

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> http://article.wn.com/view/2010/06/10/Bordry_slams_UCIs_biological_pa...

dumbass,

i've already mentioned here what the problems with the bio passport
are when it was proposed.

but the point is that the the post race tests are easily evaded and
the doping cops have had to use OOC testing and subsequently the bio-
passport to try to detect doping.

Amit Ghosh

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Jun 22, 2010, 4:12:10 PM6/22/10

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On Jun 22, 3:52 pm, Betty <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:

Anyway you're lucky the
> mix works:
> <http://www.springerlink.com/content/7106718r61458147/>

dumbass,

what about this mix ?

http://gawker.com/5569484/drug-cocktail-killed-parsons-grad-in-april

Frederick the Great

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Jun 22, 2010, 5:19:37 PM6/22/10

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In article <fsg7f7-...@donaldm.homeip.net>,
Betty <no...@mailinator.com> wrote:

What does a rat know? Anyway, I'll be upgrading to Ritalin.

--
Old Fritz

Scott

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Jun 22, 2010, 10:29:00 PM6/22/10

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I think I know what you mean, but evade isn't the right word. The
stage winner can not 'evade' the test, and neither can anyone selected
for a random post stage test. They may have dialed it in so that
whatever they're doing isn't detected, but they will be tested.

Amit Ghosh

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Jun 23, 2010, 11:15:01 AM6/23/10

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On Jun 22, 10:29 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I think I know what you mean, but evade isn't the right word. The
> stage winner can not 'evade' the test, and neither can anyone selected
> for a random post stage test. They may have dialed it in so that
> whatever they're doing isn't detected, but they will be tested.

dumbass,

yes, that is what i mean.