Ditch Tyler; focus on the Tour de Swiss evidence
Mike Jacoubowsky
answering questions, and his statement about losing his epo virginity to
the white lunchbag and then later acting as if it was this big thing
"reaching out" to Lance for epo... either that was bad editing by 60
minutes or just one more thing about Tyler that causes me to question
anything he says. It was also a bit misleading when 60 minutes initially
mentions, in passing, that Tyler's writing a book, but later, when they
ask about motivations for coming out, the book isn't mentioned.
But the Tour de Swiss stuff... if there's a real trail there, that's
what I would go with. Skip anything that's a he-said she-said thing and
give us the "dope" on the UCI. Let's just hope it's more than Lance's
donation though.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Anton Berlin
more I realized that's who he is. It doesn't look good but clearly
he's very uncomfortable with the subject. As well, the bright lights
of the camera can be a part of that. Making ones eyes uncomfortable
and sweat like George Costanza.
Mike Jacoubowsky
"Anton Berlin" <truth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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You're correct that he was at least consistent; easy questions or hard,
he was the same way. But it's also sometimes an indication of someone
who has confused their imaginary world with the real one. You live a lie
long enough and you start to believe it.
NoDannyNo
wrote:
Hamilton sucks in front of the camera. He may be worse than Floyd,
who is at least sometimes amusing. Compared to Armstrong they both
come across as a couple of brain-dead twits.
The Tour De Swiss conspiracy is potentially the real shit. Almost
hard to believe-- the governing body of the sport involved in bribe
taking and coverups of this magnitude. Seems to me that it would take
a lot more than the purported $125,000 to make something like that go
away. Gotta be a money trail there somewhere, right?
Mike Jacoubowsky
"NoDannyNo" <riggo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 22, 11:27 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> Tyler doesn't come across as believable; his blinking, his pauses when
> answering questions, and his statement about losing his epo virginity
> to
> the white lunchbag and then later acting as if it was this big thing
> "reaching out" to Lance for epo... either that was bad editing by 60
> minutes or just one more thing about Tyler that causes me to question
> anything he says. It was also a bit misleading when 60 minutes
> initially
> mentions, in passing, that Tyler's writing a book, but later, when
> they
> ask about motivations for coming out, the book isn't mentioned.
>
> But the Tour de Swiss stuff... if there's a real trail there, that's
> what I would go with. Skip anything that's a he-said she-said thing
> and
> give us the "dope" on the UCI. Let's just hope it's more than Lance's
> donation though.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Hamilton sucks in front of the camera. He may be worse than Floyd,
who is at least sometimes amusing. Compared to Armstrong they both
come across as a couple of brain-dead twits.
The Tour De Swiss conspiracy is potentially the real shit. Almost
hard to believe-- the governing body of the sport involved in bribe
taking and coverups of this magnitude. Seems to me that it would take
a lot more than the purported $125,000 to make something like that go
away. Gotta be a money trail there somewhere, right?
=========
Thinking exactly the same thing. $125,000 doesn't seem close to the
amount needed to cover something like that up. Its worth to Lance &
Johan exceeds that by many, many times. If there actually was a
cover-up, $125,000 isn't the answer (to the question of what it cost).
The $125,000 either isn't related (yes, it's possible it's innocent) or
was front money for something bigger. But the TdS investigation
apparently doesn't require a money trail to prove wrong doing, or so
they implied on TV.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
Ronko
Mi...@ChainReaction.com says...
before a Federal Grand Jury, is Hearsay Evidence and not admissible in
Court. Hearsay is not allowed unless there is a cross-examination and
the trier-of-fact (Judge or Jury), is able to see the demeanor of the
witness. There is no cross-examination before a Grand Jury, these are
one-sided proceedings where a prosecuting attorney is seeking an
indictment.
As to the Tour of Swiss "bomb-shells," they fall into the same category
as revealed by Tyler Hamilton. Other credible evidence will be needed.
A. Dumas
> Tour de Swiss
Srsly?! Tour de Suisse or Tour of Switzerland. Srsly.
Anton Berlin
> In article <utednX6BNtGSSUTQnZ2dnUVZ_t6dn...@earthlink.com>,
Dumbass - if Lance Armstrong tells Tyler "here's how to use EPO" it's
not hearsay.
Dave Lee
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
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>Big SNIP
The 'information' (that I recall) from the lab (as presented by 60 minutes -
so I am already suspicious) was that the test results were 'suspicious and
consistent with EPO usage'.
This is a (possibly) very different statement from 'he failed the test'. Was
this the lab 'keeping their options open' or were the test results less than
conclusive? I guess we don't know.
dave
Mike Jacoubowsky
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Dumbass - if Lance Armstrong tells Tyler "here's how to use EPO" it's
not hearsay.
=====
But it's not corroborated either. It remains he-said she-said.
Michael Press
"Dave Lee" <Dave...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
Suspicious is not a technical term until it is defined.
What is the definition here? Is the test result
consistent with no EPO usage?
--
Michael Press
Andre
wrote:
> "Anton Berlin" <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
who is the she in this?
ilan
These tests in which scientists give an aesthetic evaluation of a
blood sample are not scientific tests. In fact, all of them should
have been invalidated. The test is so subjective that they can nail
someone they don't like, e.g., Iban Mayo who had his inconclusive B
sample retested until they got the result they wanted, so why not go
the other way too?
-ilan
ilan
wrote:
Tyler Hamilton fails my basic intelligence test, whether the rider can
speak more than one language. His case is particularly bad, since he
lived in Nice for years, but in interviews with French TV, he couldn't
even say a single word in French. Same goes for Landis, even though I
don't think he as dumb as Tyler Hamilton. The fact that he won
Collegiate Nationals doesn't impress me, some of the dumbest people I
ever met were collegiate bike racers, a lot of them even got Stanford
Ph.D.'s.
-ilan
Ronko
e93868...@j13g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
truth...@yahoo.com says...
nothing until heard by a Court of Law, if his testimony is even allowed.
Grand Jury's are essentially Prosecuting Attorney "dog and pony shows"
in an attempt to get an indictment where substantial evidence is lacking
to bring an indictment on credible evidence.
I know you can't wait to shave your legs and put on your tights and "I
Love Tyler" TankTop. Try to curb your enthusiam so it is mildly in line
with legal reality.
Mike Jacoubowsky
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On May 23, 5:27 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> Tyler doesn't come across as believable; his blinking, his pauses when
> answering questions, and his statement about losing his epo virginity to
> the white lunchbag and then later acting as if it was this big thing
> "reaching out" to Lance for epo... either that was bad editing by 60
> minutes or just one more thing about Tyler that causes me to question
> anything he says. It was also a bit misleading when 60 minutes initially
> mentions, in passing, that Tyler's writing a book, but later, when they
> ask about motivations for coming out, the book isn't mentioned.
>
> But the Tour de Swiss stuff... if there's a real trail there, that's
> what I would go with. Skip anything that's a he-said she-said thing and
> give us the "dope" on the UCI. Let's just hope it's more than Lance's
> donation though.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Tyler Hamilton fails my basic intelligence test, whether the rider can
speak more than one language. His case is particularly bad, since he
lived in Nice for years, but in interviews with French TV, he couldn't
even say a single word in French. Same goes for Landis, even though I
don't think he as dumb as Tyler Hamilton. The fact that he won
Collegiate Nationals doesn't impress me, some of the dumbest people I
ever met were collegiate bike racers, a lot of them even got Stanford
Ph.D.'s.
-ilan
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Je parle francais comme une vache espagnole
I remember watching Lance being interviewed on French TV at an airport
during my return from the TdF in 2001 I believe. He was speaking passable
French, but stumbling over his words a bit, inserting a lot of little ers &
ums & pauses. The French announcer grabbed the mic from him and asked that
he speak in English and he'd translate. Apparently he'd never heard Lance
speak in English, since that's simply the way he talks?
Funny that Tyler didn't pick up on any French. You'd almost have to
deliberately try not to, which doesn't go over very well. Me? I have a
terrible time with languages. Wish it were otherwise. When you visit a place
like Belgium and discover how many different languages most people can
speak, it's a real eye-opener.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA