this is the "clean" Lance
Cicero Venatio
Lance looks like. LeMond was right, it seems. The investigators in the
Lance Armstrong investigation think they can either crack either George
or Tyler, so we will see who will be the next one to crack in the US
Postal saga. In the David Millar interrogation, French Police were able
to make him crack in only four hours under that warm lamp. All it will
take is one more to crack, and it's all over for Lance Inc. It's too
bad, that this had to happen, but Lance just couldn't let it lay, he had
to do just one more tour. This tour could be his whole undoing, placing
Greg once again at the top, as America's best cyclist ever.
Just think if Tugboat could have talked, it would have changed everything.
Brad Anders
Hey, dimwit, I thought you'd left. BTW, by your logic regarding a
"clean" Lance, what does that say about the guys in the front group
today? I sure don't hear you bitching about them.
Oh, wait, I get it. You're one of those incredibly naive people who
believe that only Lance was doping during his seven TdF wins, and that
everyone else was as clean as the virgin snow, right? Or maybe even
more absurdly, you believe Lance was taking some special sauce that
made the difference that the others couldn't get from their corner
drugstore, and because he had better dope, that was unfair, right?
We all knew the day would come when Lance would blow chunks on a major
climb and get his ass kicked. I'm pretty certain Lance knew that day
would come, too. We also knew that every douche like you would emerge
from the woodwork to crow about his demise. You might want to take a
look at his twitter feed and the post-stage interviews, Compare them
to the interviews with LemonD after he blew chunks and dropped out of
the '93 Tour, and let me know who you think did a better job of owning
up to reality. Until Lance invents a disease to explain away his
demise, I think LemonD has the corner on excuses.
Brad Anders
RicodJour
Let me start off by stating that I am not a Lance fan boy - I just
like to argue and I feel it is in your best interest to inform you you
are full of poop.
What you are seeing is the erosion of Lance's mental invulnerability.
There's a physical component, of course, but at the top level of sport
it's a mental game. Tiger Woods certainly hasn't been tearing it up
since his illicit-and-oh-so-sweet pussy was taken away*, and similarly
Lance's realization that he is mortal is taking its toll. He no
longer has that willingness to take chances at speed, he's lost his
'luck' and now _frequently_ gets scathed, doesn't like going fast when
it's wet, etc.
The snowball, she no roll up hill, meester.
R
* This is an assumed opinion of the sweetness of the pussy, and not
shared by the author, Google, Google Groups, and/or any of their
subsidiaries, although I'd be lying if I said I didn't think it were
true.
steve
> On Jul 11, 6:32 pm, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yea, he's old, but I think what we are really seeing is what a "clean"
> > Lance looks like. LeMond was right, it seems. The investigators in the
> > Lance Armstrong investigation think they can either crack either George
> > or Tyler, so we will see who will be the next one to crack in the US
> > Postal saga. In the David Millar interrogation, French Police were able
> > to make him crack in only four hours under that warm lamp. All it will
> > take is one more to crack, and it's all over for Lance Inc. It's too
> > bad, that this had to happen, but Lance just couldn't let it lay, he had
> > to do just one more tour. This tour could be his whole undoing, placing
> > Greg once again at the top, as America's best cyclist ever.
Didn’t the Schleck brother have some money put aside for dope? I don’t
understand the obsession with Lance and doping. I seems there are
plenty of others with dubious connections. Suppose Lance is convicted
and his tour victories are thrown out like Landis, should Basso,
Ullrich, be given wins? Should Vinokourov move up? Oh I know we will
give all the wins to the last clean rider LeMond
B. Lafferty
No Tour winners, or winners with *, from 1991 onward. :-)
DWC_TT
> Yea, he's old, but I think what we are really seeing is what a "clean"
> Lance looks like.
So what was he last year?
DA74
This is a fairly correct analysis and a largely sensible post. To add
to this line of thinking, I think psychologically Lance went into last
year, and this year for that matter as a challenger. While this is
factually true (that he was a challenger) I think if he had walked in
and pretended he won the race last year and rode like the defending
champion he would have benefitted psychologically. He is an alpha male
but essentially relegated himself in these two tours to a challenger
for alpha status. Discuss.
DA74, PhD
Anton Berlin
time with Eddy was enough to get him some boosting knowledge. Does
anyone know for sure if Greg has exactly and definitively denied
boosting? And if so can he be believed?
DirtRoadie
There was the "iron injection" in 1989.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/cycling/1998/tourdefrance/tourdefrancearchive/tour2.html
Was it iron?
Did Lemond know?
Anton Berlin
> On Jul 11, 8:04 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Clean Lance - I think so. Clean Greg? I am not so sure. I think his
> > time with Eddy was enough to get him some boosting knowledge. Does
> > anyone know for sure if Greg has exactly and definitively denied
> > boosting? And if so can he be believed?
>
> Was it iron?
> Did Lemond know?
I think everyone was taking iron and b vitamin shots back them
especially in stage races. I used to get them and they weren't
illegal.
Cicero Venatio
>>
>> Didn’t the Schleck brother have some money put aside for dope? I don’t
>> understand the obsession with Lance and doping. I seems there are
>> plenty of others with dubious connections. Suppose Lance is convicted
>> and his tour victories are thrown out like Landis, should Basso,
>> Ullrich, be given wins? Should Vinokourov move up? Oh I know we will
>> give all the wins to the last clean rider LeMond
>
> No Tour winners, or winners with *, from 1991 onward. :-)
So you're saying that Maurice Garin was clean?
Anton Berlin
they (or at least Frank) had the intention. I wish it wasn't so and
there's a part of me that would like to think that Andy is clean from
just something he said last year to his excited mother after a win
"It's only a bike race"
I'll bet many good pros are boosting at this point. There's just too
much info out there.
Frederick the Great
Cicero Venatio <jazz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Was it good for you?
--
Old Fritz
Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
<rico...@worldemail.com> wrote:
[ nothing of any value snipped ]
>
>What you are seeing is the erosion of Lance's mental invulnerability.
>There's a physical component, of course, but at the top level of sport
>it's a mental game. Tiger Woods certainly hasn't been tearing it up
>since his illicit-and-oh-so-sweet pussy was taken away*, and similarly
>Lance's realization that he is mortal is taking its toll.
You broke the code!!!
Back when Tiger was banging strange stuff damn near everyday, he was
on top of the golfing world. Now that his steady source of drop-dead
gorgeous, long-legged, firm-titted ass has been cut off, you see
what's happened to him.
Ditto for Lance.
Lance doesn't need any doping -- give him a few hours alone in the
shower with Angelina Jolie, and he'll win TFD #8 !!!!!!
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
> Sad to say - yes - Frank was doing it and it probably indicates that
> they (or at least Frank) had the intention. I wish it wasn't so and
> there's a part of me that would like to think that Andy is clean from
> just something he said last year to his excited mother after a win
> "It's only a bike race"
Dumbass -
Come on now.
Andy's not clean. His brother, with whom he does everything, is dirty
and who is his DS?
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Anton Berlin
I know. I agree. But I like to think it isn't that way.
Davey Crockett
| > Didn’t the Schleck brother have some money put aside for dope? I don’t
| > understand the obsession with Lance and doping. I seems there are
| > plenty of others with dubious connections. Suppose Lance is convicted
| > and his tour victories are thrown out like Landis, should Basso,
| > Ullrich, be given wins? Should Vinokourov move up? Oh I know we will
| > give all the wins to the last clean rider LeMond
| No Tour winners, or winners with *, from 1991 onward. :-)
1991? It's been Doped or Fixed ever since the first Tour I ever
followed, (the one Leatherhead won).
But there's a big difference between then and now.......
Way back when, we knew it was Fixed and Doped, but we didn't worry
about it, whereas now the world seems preoccupied with the scandalous
side of things.
It's ANY sport, not just Cycling.
Case in point:::
Note the date on the editorial for I wrote for a website I run ;)
http://69.165.217.79:6080/rbr/espana.html
--
US Sets new World Record - Go, Go, M'Bongo
Two weeks ago America's debt went up by $166 billion in a single day,
a single day run-up greater than the entire U.S. annual deficit in 2007.
Betty
> What you are seeing is the erosion of Lance's mental invulnerability.
> There's a physical component, of course, but at the top level of sport
> it's a mental game. Tiger Woods certainly hasn't been tearing it up
> since his illicit-and-oh-so-sweet pussy was taken away*, and similarly
> Lance's realization that he is mortal is taking its toll.
Sounds like he needs twin pussies:
<http://5z8.info/russian-brides_p3o7x_-49exploit-begin-->
B. Lafferty
> "B. Lafferty" a écrit profondement:
>
> |> Didn’t the Schleck brother have some money put aside for dope? I don’t
> |> understand the obsession with Lance and doping. I seems there are
> |> plenty of others with dubious connections. Suppose Lance is convicted
> |> and his tour victories are thrown out like Landis, should Basso,
> |> Ullrich, be given wins? Should Vinokourov move up? Oh I know we will
> |> give all the wins to the last clean rider LeMond
>
> | No Tour winners, or winners with *, from 1991 onward. :-)
>
> 1991? It's been Doped or Fixed ever since the first Tour I ever
> followed, (the one Leatherhead won).
>
> But there's a big difference between then and now.......
>
> Way back when, we knew it was Fixed and Doped, but we didn't worry
> about it, whereas now the world seems preoccupied with the scandalous
> side of things.
>
> It's ANY sport, not just Cycling.
>
> Case in point:::
> Note the date on the editorial for I wrote for a website I run ;)
> http://69.165.217.79:6080/rbr/espana.html
>
doping was rather quaint. It was designed primarily to mask pain and
get the rider through the stage/race.
B. Lafferty
Keith
wrote:
>> 1991? It's been Doped or Fixed ever since the first Tour I ever
>> followed, (the one Leatherhead won).
>>
>> But there's a big difference between then and now.......
>>
>> Way back when, we knew it was Fixed and Doped, but we didn't worry
>> about it, whereas now the world seems preoccupied with the scandalous
>> side of things.
>>
>I agree. Before the advent of EPO and other preparation since then, the
>doping was rather quaint. It was designed primarily to mask pain and
>get the rider through the stage/race.
Fignon's book explains that very well, although I'm not sure he can be
entirely believed when he said he was't touching EPO himself at the
end of his carreer. As a star (and rich) rider he probably had access
to the best stuff, he was probably just getting old and bitter so that
came in as a handy excuse, whether he was doing EPO or not.
Davey Crockett
| > It's ANY sport, not just Cycling.
| >
| > Case in point:::
| > Note the date on the editorial for I wrote for a website I run ;)
| > http://69.165.217.79:6080/rbr/espana.html
| >
| I agree. Before the advent of EPO and other preparation since then, the
| doping was rather quaint. It was designed primarily to mask pain and
| get the rider through the stage/race.
Way back when all that I can ever recall was 30mg of speed
(Amphetamines)
Let me give you another example
In the 1959 Manx Trophy, I was off the back the second time up
the mountain and found myself in some illustrious company. Coppi who had
come from Ireland and had had no sleep overnight in the airport and who
was in any instance 40 years old and tired and Bobet (Louis or Louison
as he was called).
Anyway Bobet intimated that the finishing order was Shay Elliott ahead
of Brian Robinson and Tony Hoar.
He wasn't exactly right, but close enough
1. ELLIOTT Seamus (Irl)
2. DE HAAN Jo (Hol)
3. ROBINSON Brian
--
Don't wait for the Shrimp boats Momma.
I'm coming home with the crabs....
Zeno
> Yea, he's old, but I think what we are really seeing is what a "clean"
LA may be retiring, but lame RBR trolls never die
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
Methamphetamine is a very powerful drug.
It's a nervous system stimulant. Riders who are on meth can attack
over and over and over and over. It was available way before the
advent of EPO.
Zeno
According to Jacques Anquetil meth was the Breakfast of Champions!
Anybody who has taken a "diet pill" before performing a strenuous
physical activity can attest to its short term efficacy as an
endurance booster.
Zeno
Anton Berlin
Given the choice between racing (and not getting caught) on meth or
EPO (or equivalent) 998 out of 1000 pros would choose EPO. So we'd
only need the meth for Gerlach and Boonen.
Kurgan Gringioni
"Anton Berlin" <truth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4df30973-f558-4c84...@z15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
: Henry - you're becoming a Armpologist
:
: Given the choice between racing (and not getting caught) on meth or
: EPO (or equivalent) 998 out of 1000 pros would choose EPO. So we'd
: only need the meth for Gerlach and Boonen.
Dumbass -
That's true, but Laff said that the drugs before EPO were rather quaint.
IMO, there's nothing quaint about meth.
B. Lafferty
cyclist to lose focus, would you?
--D-y
wrote:
> "Anton Berlin" <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4df30973-f558-4c84...@z15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> : Henry - you're becoming a Armpologist
> :
> : Given the choice between racing (and not getting caught) on meth or
> : EPO (or equivalent) 998 out of 1000 pros would choose EPO. So we'd
> : only need the meth for Gerlach and Boonen.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> That's true, but Laff said that the drugs before EPO were rather quaint.
>
> IMO, there's nothing quaint about meth.
Brian has lost his cool since Lance fell down and went boom.
Remember those few short days of faked equanimity? ("I hope all
evildoers are brought to justice"? "I posted that Lemond's symptoms
agree with 'doping' way back in 19xx"?)
How quickly those brief halcyon days faded...
--D-y
Anton Berlin
There's nothing quaint about a hit of MDA and 48 hours with a big
titted woman but that's another story.
Zeno
If they could get away with it, I'll bet many riders would do both.
Zeno
Michael Press
<8611171b-408d-4c9a...@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
--D-y <dusto...@mac.com> wrote:
Ahhh, Halcion.
--
Michael Press
B. Lafferty
Zeno
> On 7/13/2010 9:05 AM, --D-y wrote:
>
> Do you honestly believe that the top three riders are clean?
The same could be said about virtually any athlete in any sport right
now. Some are no doubt innocent, others guilty up to their hair
follicles. Absent proof, it's all idle speculation -- which is one of
the reasons why USENET is so popular .
Zeno
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
You should just get over yourself.
We know that cycling, like all professional sports, has athletes who
dope up to get an edge.
Just get over yourself.
RicodJour
Every group needs their Mel Gibson, and Laffaroni is ours. So you'd
better play nice or he'll put you in a rose garden. He's capable of
it - just ask him.
R
B. Lafferty
during the final climb today, particularly the last 5 kilometers?
Zeno
That Orangutan blood they infused in Lance's hotel room last night
probably got them close to 600 watts, maybe more.
B. Lafferty
Yeah, it looked like he was holding himself back today.
--D-y
Not even in the parking lot crits.
Now I'll ask you to explain that non sequitur.
Trying to derail? It's all been Lance Lance Lance-- starting with the
little fish, true enough, but since you're interested in the "top
three", why don't you go after them with the same zeal, Brian, that
you enjoy when tracking down Lance & Co.?
--D-y
--D-y
Yes, he's hanging in and healing.
31rst, 15:54 out. Doesn't look like he's giving up.
--D-y
Fred Flintstein
> On Jul 13, 1:08 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Do you honestly believe that the top three riders are clean?
>
> Not even in the parking lot crits.
Am I the only one that thought this was funny? Because I don't
believe the parking lot crits either!
There is an organization that is trying to establish a series
of gran fondos in the US. I can't wait to see what that leads
to.
Fred Flintstein
Fredmaster of Brainerd
wrote:
> On 7/13/2010 9:04 PM, --D-y wrote:
>
> > On Jul 13, 1:08 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> Do you honestly believe that the top three riders are clean?
>
> > Not even in the parking lot crits.
>
> Am I the only one that thought this was funny? Because I don't
> believe the parking lot crits either!
There's a fine line between a post that everyone acclaims
for pointing out an awesomely funny truth, and a post
that sees no responses because most of RBR has already
reconciled itself to the truth of this awesomely ironic truth.
In other words, right on.
> There is an organization that is trying to establish a series
> of gran fondos in the US. I can't wait to see what that leads
> to.
I have wondered about performance modification in
randonneur and ultra-distance events. There's a whole
category of 100+ and 200+ -mile races-that-aren't-races
that are fertile ground for Animal Kits, if you know what
I mean. I haven't figured out yet whether randonneurs
are too cheap to have caught on to this (beyond the
garden variety speed and derivatives) or too bearded
to be hanging out in gyms and getting hooked up, but
even if so, it is surely only a matter of time.
Fredtweaker Ben
Frederick the Great
Fred Flintstein <bob.sc...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
> On 7/13/2010 9:04 PM, --D-y wrote:
> > On Jul 13, 1:08 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> Do you honestly believe that the top three riders are clean?
> >
> > Not even in the parking lot crits.
>
> Am I the only one that thought this was funny?
Since you ask, I think it is funny.
It makes me smile to think about
amateurs riding on dynamite.
> Because I don't
> believe the parking lot crits either!
>
> There is an organization that is trying to establish a series
> of gran fondos in the US. I can't wait to see what that leads
> to.
I wonder if my HMO can help me out.
--
Old Fritz