Best 60 minutes EVER!
Anton Berlin
Mike Jacoubowsky
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> And we haven't even watched it yet.
When did you start saying something nice about anything iconic to the
USA? Or is this related to tomorrow afternoon's rapture?
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Anton Berlin
Armstrong, says he used banned performance-enhancing substances with
Armstrong to cheat in pro races, including the Tour de France, the
sport's ultimate event. For the first time, former Armstrong teammate
Tyler Hamilton reveals details to Scott Pelley never heard in public
before of how and when he and some of the former members of the U.S.
Postal Service team led by Armstrong used banned substances, including
EPO and testosterone, to gain an advantage in races that Armstrong
won. Michael Radutzky and Tanya Simon are the producers.
THIS IS A DOUBLE-LENGTH SEGMENT.
I hope they dig into his phoney cancer foundation next.
William Fred
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> I hope they dig into his phoney cancer foundation next.
>
And I'll bet your girlfriend is already asking herself "Why the hell can't
he throw the used tissues away for himself?"
--
Bill Fred
Brad Anders
> ... to gain an advantage in races that Armstrong
> won.
Let me fix that for you:
"... to gain the same advantage in races that all the other top
competitors had, in races that Armstrong won."
There, that's a lot more accurate.
Anton Berlin
That's from 60 minutes not me.
Substance McGravitas
Brad's version is closer to what TH actually said.
NoDannyNo
Frankie said it better. For the most part, Hamilton was a disaster in
front of the camera. With all his blinking, pausing, and caveat-
spewing he came off as weak and totally lacking in self-assurance. No
wonder the Armstrong PR machine eats guys like him and Flandis for
breakfast.
Brad Anders
Just watched the segment. For the most part, I think Tyler is
accurately relating what he saw and what happened. However, I fault 60
Minutes for not probing further when Tyler repeatedly said that what
LA was doing (and the whole Postal team, as well as Tyler), was no
different from any other top teams. They did scratch at it when they
asked Tyler about his initial motivations for doping, but they failed
in relating to the public exactly what the "culture of cycling" was
that Tyler kept talking about. IMO, that culture lives on today, and
anyone who thinks things are somehow "clean" needs to eat a good
Spanish steak. It also would have been instructive to discuss how that
"culture" fed into the US culture of winners and losers. LA clearly
understood that a clean loser is still a loser, and that nobody in the
US gives a shit about a loser, no matter what the circumstances are.
Again, I suggest to anyone who doubts this to read "The Unfair
Advantage" by celebrated race driver Mark Donohue, who goes into
detail describing how he and Roger Penske bent every rule sideways and
beyond to win races. To come out a decade later in the case of LA and
screech "fraud" is completely unjustified. US Postal got EXACTLY what
they paid for, and they knew what the score was from day one.
Where Tyler lost me was when he said that the reason he didn't 'fess
up after getting nailed for homologous blood doping was to "protect
the team". Bull Fucking Shit. Tyler's concern was his own ass, as well-
documented by his actions at the time. He's coming clean now because
he was tossed a deal, sees a way to jack it into a 6-figure book deal,
and expand his "clean" training business. He's as dirty as Landis, as
dirty as Armstrong, and as dirty as any other pro at the highest
levels.
IMO, I still haven't heard a thing that convinces me that LA and his
attorneys won't be able to dodge the bullet. Even the famous TdS dope
test results seem to be a bust. I didn't hear Tyler say word one as to
where the dope came from or how it was paid for, perhaps he did so to
the GJ, maybe not. Maybe it will come out in the eventual Fed case
against LA and his minions.
Randall
> And we haven't even watched it yet.
The only new revelation was that Lance & Bruyneel met the with the
lab. The lab did label Lances test samples as "suspicious".
Supposedly this was consistent with EPO. Suspicious & positive are two
different things. There is some gray area in EPO testing. There
plausible reasons why the UCI wanted to meet with the lab. UCI is very
concerned with doping and probably wanted more info about the test
results. It's also hard to fathom why the UCI would show favoritism to
Armstrong when so many other famous riders have been suspended or
expelled. Lance's donations to the UCI don't necessarily prove
anything. The UCI is a large organization and has a lot of expenses.
In the end it's quite possible that the totality of evidence will be
very compelling to the grand jury for a indictment. But like I have
said a indictment and a conviction are different things.