Lemond in USA Today: I feel vindicated
i, fred
Pretty interesting article (Link at bottom). Lemond states that he feels vindicated
now that Floyd's allegations of organized doping at the US Postal/Discovery
teams are in the open.
He also repeated the claim that Lance admitted to him in a telephone call that
he took EPO.
"(Armstrong) has talked about Floyd's mental well-being, as he's done with
me and nearly every person who has questioned him," says LeMond, now 49 and
slightly paunchy.
"It seems almost crazy to dare say that Armstrong admitted he used EPO, but
he did call me in 2001 and admitted that he used EPO. That was his way of saying,
'Everybody does EPO, your (1989) win was a miracle just like mine was.'
Lemond also critisizes the "corporate enabling" that has taken place.
"This is all about bullying and threatening those who dared to challenge the
story,"LeMond says. "But to really change, there needs to be a cleansing from
the top down. Just punishing riders won't fix it. The teams, the corporations
that sponsor them and the organizations that govern the sport all have to take
responsibility. Right now it is a corrupt system."
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2010-06-03-greglemondreaction_N.htm
Tom Kunich
news:4c086fb7$1...@x-privat.org...
>
> "It seems almost crazy to dare say that Armstrong admitted he used EPO,
> but
> he did call me in 2001 and admitted that he used EPO. That was his way of
> saying,
> 'Everybody does EPO, your (1989) win was a miracle just like mine was.'
Are you suggesting that everyone wasn't taking EPO?
K. Fred Gauss
i, fred
Bro,
Are you asking me or Lemond?
--D-y
SLIGHTLY paunchy? OK. I'm going out for breakfast, the Lumberjack
Special at the Cracker Barrel, for sure. It's cool.
"Just punishing riders won't fix it"??? There's a sea change.
There is an easing of LanceHate chez Lemond? Since he (Lemond) is
"vindicated"? (doper profile doper profile doper profile)
No matter what happens with Lance in the run-up (run down?) to the TdF
(and max credit to Floyd for an early start this year), Lemond will
never "regain his stature",
because he never had a story like Lance's, and he drove all night so
he could carry his wife on the Tour and started exhausted-- there was
possibly one shortfall, comparing three to seven. And then there was
the "hunting with idiots" incident, of course. That might have
accounted for another loss (aka "virtual win").
--D-y
Mark J.
> On Jun 3, 10:15 pm, "i, fred" <if...@noremovemespam.spam> wrote:
>> Pretty interesting article (Link at bottom). Lemond states that he feels vindicated
>> now that Floyd's allegations of organized doping at the US Postal/Discovery
>> teams are in the open.
>>
>> He also repeated the claim that Lance admitted to him in a telephone call that
>> he took EPO.
>>
>> "(Armstrong) has talked about Floyd's mental well-being, as he's done with
>> me and nearly every person who has questioned him," says LeMond, now 49 and
>> slightly paunchy.
>>
>> "It seems almost crazy to dare say that Armstrong admitted he used EPO, but
>> he did call me in 2001 and admitted that he used EPO. That was his way of saying,
>> 'Everybody does EPO, your (1989) win was a miracle just like mine was.'
>>
>> Lemond also critisizes the "corporate enabling" that has taken place.
>>
>> "This is all about bullying and threatening those who dared to challenge the
>> story,"LeMond says. "But to really change, there needs to be a cleansing from
>> the top down. Just punishing riders won't fix it. The teams, the corporations
>> that sponsor them and the organizations that govern the sport all have to take
>> responsibility. Right now it is a corrupt system."
>>
>> http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2010-06-03-greglemondreaction_...
>
> SLIGHTLY paunchy? OK. I'm going out for breakfast, the Lumberjack
> Special at the Cracker Barrel, for sure. It's cool.
Yup. Say, the article reminded us that Trek "returned" the Lemond brand
to Lemond through the recent settlement.
/Are/ there any Lemond bikes being produced now? Or is the brand even
more finished than it was because of Lemond's verbal antics? That'd be
real "vindication".
Mark J.
Steve Freides
> Pretty interesting article (Link at bottom).
Only interesting if you have any interest in what Greg Lemond has to
say - I don't. He should stfu and ride off some of that belly.
-S-
Brad Anders
him along to his ultimate goal of ending up with more TdF wins in the
book than any other US cyclist, namely, LANCE. Since his "virtual
tours" strategy didn't work, getting LANCE's wins vacated is his best
bet. With a partner like Floyd, I'm sure he's just a few short months
from achieving his goal. Go, Greg!
Brad Anders
B. Lafferty
'LeMond has some advice for investigators, too.
"I hope all of this sheds light on all the corporate enabling that went
on, especially the one that tried to take my brand away from me," a
reference to his long legal battles with the Trek Bicycle Corp. over his
eponymous line of bikes.'
Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future.
Will Novitsky ask the woman from Oakley what she really heard that she
now claims she didn't hear or can't remember? Were Nike and Trek
executives really operating with no knowledge of a Postal doping program
if one existed?
A few people the Feds will want to speak with,
Kristin
Frankie and wife
Former houseboy/gofer from Texas
Emma
The Dutch soigneur
SCA investigators
Former Postal staff residing in the US
Chris Carmichael
Floyd
Johan B.
George H.
Lance
All will be asked knowing that lying to a federal investigator is a
criminal offense. Who's willing now to take the fall for Lance and
Johan? Of course, Lance will be the last person questioned.
i, fred
"B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
I think this list is interesting but I think another avenue is the Garmin/Slipstream
team. They issued a press release the other day basically stating that the
past is the past and that all staff/riders involved with the team will continue
to have a job as long as the tell the whole truth to investigators. That is
a powerful statement.
If I were a federal investigator I'd start with Vaughters, White and Zabriskie.
There is some ripe fruit for the pickin' in that orchard.
Thanks,
iFred
Tom Kunich
news:htWdnSMAKPCjxZTR...@giganews.com...
>
> Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future.
What business is it of the Feds?
B. Lafferty
B. Lafferty
mail/wire fraud as to SCA Promotions.
Uncle Dave
> Pretty interesting article (Link at bottom). Lemond states that he feels vindicated
> now that Floyd's allegations of organized doping at the US Postal/Discovery
> teams are in the open.
>
> He also repeated the claim that Lance admitted to him in a telephone call that
> he took EPO.
Hold on, somebody is saying Armstrong was drugged?! Why haven't we
been told before?
UD
Fredmaster of Brainerd
Lemond doesn't have any actual information about present
doping in the peloton, just speculation. It's entirely possible
that an afternoon listening to Lemond will convince Jeff Novitsky
that he'd rather open an FDA investigation into doping in the
meat business (or maybe whether illicit cattle hormones are
getting into the nation's ice cream supply).
If Lemond is going to be vindicated every time revelations
suggest that there is significant doping in the peloton, we
might as well just nominate him for sainthood now and
get it over with, because if past performance is a predictor
of future results, it is dead certain that in the future, revelations
will suggest that there is significant doping in the peloton.
Anyone can express an opinion. Lemond backs his up
by picking up random collections of stuff (bogus power
estimates, etc) and calling it evidence. How do you
vindicate that?
Fredmaster Ben
Brad Anders
be honored.
Brad Anders
Uncle Dave
> I think someone should talk with LemonD about sainthood. I think he'd
> be honored.
Amen to that.
UD
Anton Berlin
> A few people the Feds will want to speak with,
> Former Postal staff residing in the US
If they subpoena my mailman I'd like to ask why it took 8 fucking days
for a letter to get from Dallas to LA.
It's a god damn outrage !!!!!
B. Lafferty
ROTFLMAO!!! Here come the Lance patzers.
--D-y
> On 6/4/2010 1:26 PM, Brad Anders wrote:> Personally, I'm excited about the vindication of LemonD, as it helps
> > him along to his ultimate goal of ending up with more TdF wins in the
> > book than any other US cyclist, namely, LANCE. Since his "virtual
> > tours" strategy didn't work, getting LANCE's wins vacated is his best
> > bet. With a partner like Floyd, I'm sure he's just a few short months
> > from achieving his goal. Go, Greg!
>
> > Brad Anders
>
> IMO, the most interesting comment in the article was,
>
> 'LeMond has some advice for investigators, too.
> "I hope all of this sheds light on all the corporate enabling that went
> on, especially the one that tried to take my brand away from me," a
> reference to his long legal battles with the Trek Bicycle Corp. over his
> eponymous line of bikes.'
Once again, not really giving a shit about the riders, because
compared to him, GREG LEMOND, they don't count.
Maybe he should take credit for his jealousy (envy, hatred), big mouth
and overwhelming sense of entitlement ("my VO2 was the highest,
therefore...) having at least a little something to do with his
downfall at Trek. IOW, he could have been slightly more politic IRT
his public utterances. But, there's that entitlement thing again. Like
he says (or implies, if you must) in his book, it's because of "who he
is" (i.e., born with the most lordly VO2).
>
> Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future.
> Will Novitsky ask the woman from Oakley what she really heard that she
> now claims she didn't hear or can't remember? Were Nike and Trek
> executives really operating with no knowledge of a Postal doping program
> if one existed?
>
> A few people the Feds will want to speak with,
>
> Kristin
> Frankie and wife
> Former houseboy/gofer from Texas
> Emma
> The Dutch soigneur
> SCA investigators
> Former Postal staff residing in the US
> Chris Carmichael
> Floyd
> Johan B.
> George H.
> Lance
Brian, it occurs to me that you could help this all along if there is
some kind of parallel to the amicus curiae that would apply to federal
investigations where you would be insulated, so to speak, from any
accusation of interfering with said investigation, while offering this
MO to the investigators. Maybe you could even get your picture
taken...?
> All will be asked knowing that lying to a federal investigator is a
> criminal offense. Who's willing now to take the fall for Lance and
> Johan? Of course, Lance will be the last person questioned.
This reminds me of the old cartoons where the wolf is sitting at the
table with his napkin tied around his neck, whetting his knife on his
fork, slavering at the thought of fresh-roasted meat delivered to his
plate. Forgetting all the times in the past the little piggies have
outsmarted him, of course <g>.
Hey, maybe they can get someone besides Floyd to tell how the other
guys-- the ones who didn't and don't get popped, that is-- do their
preparations. "Getting drunk and forgetting to take the testosterone
patch off my nutsack in time" would seem to be of limited value.
--D-y
i, fred
..or better yet, go see if Tyler wants to come clean.
He may do himself a world of good by putting that silly
charade of a defense to rest.
But this is probably a bad idea because I bet he sees
the fallout for Floyd and wants no part of that mess...
I found it interesting that Floyd didn't mention Tyler
at all during his email outbursts. I think it may have
something to do with the fact that they are tight bros:
http://recovoxnews.blogspot.com/2008/08/hamilton-landis-welcome-at-rock-racing.html
Thanks,
iFred
B. Lafferty
No thanks.
>
>> All will be asked knowing that lying to a federal investigator is a
>> criminal offense. Who's willing now to take the fall for Lance and
>> Johan? Of course, Lance will be the last person questioned.
>
> This reminds me of the old cartoons where the wolf is sitting at the
> table with his napkin tied around his neck, whetting his knife on his
> fork, slavering at the thought of fresh-roasted meat delivered to his
> plate. Forgetting all the times in the past the little piggies have
> outsmarted him, of course<g>.
Armstrong is very slick. He makes Ronnie's Teflon coating look primitive.
>
> Hey, maybe they can get someone besides Floyd to tell how the other
> guys-- the ones who didn't and don't get popped, that is-- do their
> preparations. "Getting drunk and forgetting to take the testosterone
> patch off my nutsack in time" would seem to be of limited value.
> --D-y
Who was it that said that?
Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Personally, I'm excited about the vindication of LemonD, as it helps
>> him along to his ultimate goal of ending up with more TdF wins in the
>> book than any other US cyclist, namely, LANCE. Since his "virtual
>> tours" strategy didn't work, getting LANCE's wins vacated is his best
>> bet. With a partner like Floyd, I'm sure he's just a few short months
>> from achieving his goal. Go, Greg!
>>
>> Brad Anders
> IMO, the most interesting comment in the article was,
>
> 'LeMond has some advice for investigators, too.
> "I hope all of this sheds light on all the corporate enabling that went
> on, especially the one that tried to take my brand away from me," a
> reference to his long legal battles with the Trek Bicycle Corp. over his
> eponymous line of bikes.'
You're saying it's interesting because Greg has no basis whatsoever for
saying that Trek tried to "take my brand away from me" I assume. I agree. It
certainly casts Greg in a bad light.
> Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future. Will
> Novitsky ask the woman from Oakley what she really heard that she now
> claims she didn't hear or can't remember? Were Nike and Trek executives
> really operating with no knowledge of a Postal doping program if one
> existed?
>
> A few people the Feds will want to speak with,
>
> Kristin
> Frankie and wife
> Former houseboy/gofer from Texas
> Emma
> The Dutch soigneur
> SCA investigators
> Former Postal staff residing in the US
> Chris Carmichael
> Floyd
> Johan B.
> George H.
> Lance
No need to talk to any of the ex-posties who were subsequently busted on
other teams?
> All will be asked knowing that lying to a federal investigator is a
> criminal offense. Who's willing now to take the fall for Lance and Johan?
> Of course, Lance will be the last person questioned.
Ah, that's why you're restricting it to US-based folk only. Got it. But
unsure of the significance of Lance being "the last person quesitoned." Is
that something ominous in the legal world?
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
B. Lafferty
Mike Jacoubowsky
news:4c0987d9$1...@x-privat.org...
I agree; Floyd has handled things in such a bad way that nobody's going to
want to step into the mess he's made. His credibility is so highly suspect
that it will taint anyone else who doesn't have something rock-solid to back
up their claims. In the he-said she-said game, whether the score is 37-83 or
56-31 is meaningless. The only thing that will count is a KO.
Fred Flintstein
Fockstick,
One of my instructors from college that I remember was the guy
that taught Business Law. He was an interesting guy. People
that were pondering the legal profession would ask him for
advice. Once someone, not the best student, expressed doubt
about getting accepted into law school. My instructor chuckled
and told him that there was a law school for every GPA.
When I read your stuff for some reason that comes to mind.
Fred Flintstein
Francesco del Ponte
God damn you come across as such a miserable old fuck. Maybe your disposition
would improve if actually got on your bike and took a good ride.
FDP
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
wrote:
heh heh heh.
B. Lafferty
that he has a detailed, contemporaneous diary that he kept. Floyd has
lied before, maybe he's lying when he says he has nothing to back up his
allegations.
As to he-said she-said. This is several former associates, including
people with no real axe to grind, who are saying they-said to Lance's
I-say.
B. Lafferty
z, fred
Did you write him a letter asking him what he thinks of your fat girlfriend?
K. Fred Gauss
I expect charges to be filed eventually because it's difficult to
believe that they wont be able to come up with half a dozen witnesses
who can corroborate at least a little of Landis' account. People have in
the past. I'm more curious about whether they'll be able to find a
"smoking gun". I'm doubtful that someone has a picture of Lance with a
needle hanging out of his arm, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were
lab reports from blood tests done to see how he responded to a new
regimen. If something like that pops up, the gig is up.
derf...@gmail.com
> A few people the Feds will want to speak with,
>
VDB's dog
DeCanio
Susan Polgar
her webmaster
Lafferty's social worker
--D-y
Not even one little bit close to the evil of Ronald Reagan (the
adulterer).
> > Hey, maybe they can get someone besides Floyd to tell how the other
> > guys-- the ones who didn't and don't get popped, that is-- do their
> > preparations. "Getting drunk and forgetting to take the testosterone
> > patch off my nutsack in time" would seem to be of limited value.
> Who was it that said that?
I forget. Search this group for "nutsack"?
--D-y
Betty Munro
> I think someone should talk with LemonD about sainthood. I think he'd
> be honored.
Mother Teresa and father Greg ? Maybe I'm thinking of a porn movie.
Betty Munro
>> A few people the Feds will want to speak with,
derF...@gmail.com wrote:
> Joe Papp
> VDB's dog
> DeCanio
> Susan Polgar
> her webmaster
> Lafferty's social worker
Lafferty's fleshlight.
Lafferty's shrink.
Betty Munro
> I forget. Search this group for "nutsack"?
Must be some kind of google hits competition.
B. Lafferty
B. Lafferty
cur...@the-md-russells.org
<bjwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lemond backs his up
>by picking up random collections of stuff (bogus power
>estimates, etc) and calling it evidence. How do you
>vindicate that?
He's arranged a tell-all seance with the one credible witness to a lot
of shit - Tugboat. The dog has been waiting to talk and has a good
reason - you don't think his death was natural, do you?
And if he can sniff asses, he can identify a lot of bodies, so to
speak.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
K. Fred Gauss
Nutsack,
I win.
F. Kurgan Gringioni
>>
>> I found it interesting that Floyd didn't mention Tyler
>> at all during his email outbursts. I think it may have
>> something to do with the fact that they are tight bros:
>>
>> http://recovoxnews.blogspot.com/2008/08/hamilton-landis-welcome-at-rock-racing.html
>>
>> Thanks,
>> iFred
> You are definitely ahead of the curve.
Dumbass -
Yet another indication of why Floyd's not credible.
Picking and choosing who's clean based upon who he likes/doesn't like?
thanks,
Fred. presented by Gringioni.
Believe Tyler
B. Lafferty
And further proof that you haven't cleaned the shit from your eyes after
momentarily taking your head out of your ass. Carry on.
Amit Ghosh
> If Lemond is going to be vindicated every time revelations
> suggest that there is significant doping in the peloton, we
> might as well just nominate him for sainthood now and
> get it over with, because if past performance is a predictor
> of future results, it is dead certain that in the future, revelations
> will suggest that there is significant doping in the peloton.
dumbass,
i can't put words in lemond's mouth, but i think he feels vindicated
because he maintained that landis confessed to him while landis
continued to publicly deny doping. landis' public confession was a
vindication for lemond.
F. Kurgan Gringioni
>>
>> Yet another indication of why Floyd's not credible.
>>
>> Picking and choosing who's clean based upon who he likes/doesn't like?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>> Believe Tyler
>
> And further proof that you haven't cleaned the shit from your eyes after
> momentarily taking your head out of your ass. Carry on.
Dumbass -
When intellectually inferior are unable to refute logic, the personal attack
is a common fallback.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Believe Tyler
B. Lafferty
You have far more insight into yourself than I've ever give you credit
for having.
Betty Munro
>>> I think someone should talk with LemonD about sainthood. I think he'd
>>> be honored.
Betty Munro wrote:
>> Mother Teresa and father Greg ? Maybe I'm thinking of a porn movie.
B. Lafferty wrote:
> With you as the shemale thrown in for color?
I'm really good with a samurai sword.
F. Kurgan Gringioni
>>
>>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> When intellectually inferior are unable to refute logic, the personal
>> attack is a common fallback.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>> Believe Tyler
>
> You have far more insight into yourself than I've ever give you credit for
> having.
Dumbass -
You're unable to address this piece of logic. Floyd's picking and choosing
his fingerpointing based upon who is and is not in his good graces is yet
another nail in the coffin of his credibility.
BTW, a few weeks ago you were in rbr yammering on about Floyd and Arnie
Baker's hacking escapades. Back then he was evil incarnate, now he's
credible whistleblower? Sorry. When it comes to credibility, one can go from
being a truthteller to being a liar, but one cannot go the other way, not in
that short a period of time. Credibility comes from building up a history
and a habit being a stand-up person. Floyd is the complete opposite of that.
Maybe the dude should've figured all that out well before his poor father in
law committed suicide.
B. Lafferty
There are lots of people doing time on the testimony of scumbags worse
than Landis. If Landis' story is corroborated by numerous other
witnesses and any real evidence that he or they have, Mr. Lance will
find it very difficult to remain untouched. If it ever comes to
indicting Johan, and lifting his passport or holding him in jail as a
flight risk before trial, will Johan fall on his sword for Lance? Will
Weisel do the same or stand by the man?
Nobody really knows the answers to these questions, but if I were Lance,
Johan and Tom, I'd make certain I had very good criminal counsel on
retainer.
Francesco del Ponte
Asshat,
Why are you and others here so hung up on Floyd's credibility, aside from regurgitating
Radio Shack's party line? His credibility is irrelevant to schmucks like you.
The investigators are simply going to use his allegations as a starting off
point. Corroboration is the only game in town and getting the players under
oath by the feds will shed plenty of sunshine on the story. The truth will
come out so don't get you panties tied in a knot in the meantime about Floyd's
credibility.
FdP
RicodJour
> I think someone should talk with LemonD about sainthood. I think he'd
> be honored.
Honored...who? Greg or God?
R
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
I'm not a LANCE fanboy.
That doesn't make Floyd credible. Dude's told 1000 lies.
K. Fred Gauss
I wish I'd said that.
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
Greg Anderson did it for Barry Bonds. That's a bad analogy though.
I have a hard time seeing much happen in this case because the
likelihood of a real paper trail is very small. In the BALCO case,
there was not only a paper trail, but a drug manufacturing facility, a
laboratory where they designed the heretofore unknown drugs, etc.
It's different than the more mundane brand of conspiracy. For
starters, the prosecution would have to prove there was even a crime
to begin with. It'll be a lot harder to compel people to talk when the
investigators don't even have that in their pocket. I don't see it
happening. The exception would be: if someone has an axe to grind.
K. Fred Gauss
It only appears that way because Landis hasn't been properly heard yet.
That's why I think Landis should take his anti-doping message to the
doping heartland. I hope he goes to France in July.
Fred Flintstein
> It only appears that way because Landis hasn't been properly heard yet.
> That's why I think Landis should take his anti-doping message to the
> doping heartland. I hope he goes to France in July.
Fockstick,
Close. The doping heartland that time of year is across the
channel at Wimbledon. They manage it much better there.
Fred Flintstein
B. Lafferty
deal to talk with the authorities there. That could make for a dicey
situation for Sir Lance. He may be a guest in France for awhile.
K. Fred Gauss
I would rather he go without the deal. It'll make for a more interesting
July.
K. Fred Gauss
Kind Sir,
Really! I'd never noticed that Wimbledon stretched into July. Those
tennis folks are super-stealthy!
Fred Flintstein
What days are the finals on?
Fred Flintstein
Betty Munro
>>> It only appears that way because Landis hasn't been properly heard
>>> yet. That's why I think Landis should take his anti-doping message to
>>> the doping heartland. I hope he goes to France in July.
Fred Flintstein wrote:>> Close. The doping heartland that time of year
is across the
>> channel at Wimbledon. They manage it much better there.
K. Fred Gauss wrote:
> Really! I'd never noticed that Wimbledon stretched into July. Those
> tennis folks are super-stealthy!
The doping heartland will have moved to South Africa in June and July.
Fredmaster of Brainerd
> On 6/5/2010 9:17 PM, K. Fred Gauss wrote:
>
> > F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> >> "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >>news:SrednUnu68c4CZTR...@giganews.com...
>
> >>>> I found it interesting that Floyd didn't mention Tyler
> >>>> at all during his email outbursts. I think it may have
> >>>> something to do with the fact that they are tight bros:
>
>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> iFred
> >>> You are definitely ahead of the curve.
>
> >> Dumbass -
>
> >> Yet another indication of why Floyd's not credible.
>
> >> Picking and choosing who's clean based upon who he likes/doesn't like?
>
> > It only appears that way because Landis hasn't been properly heard yet.
> > That's why I think Landis should take his anti-doping message to the
> > doping heartland. I hope he goes to France in July.
>
> There's a open French arrest warrant for him. He'll go if he can cut a
> deal to talk with the authorities there. That could make for a dicey
> situation for Sir Lance. He may be a guest in France for awhile.
You know that the European countries' rules about detention
for questioning are quite different than the US. If the French
authorities wanted to drag LANCE in and give him the
Ben Barka treatment, they could do as they pleased, whether
or not Floyd is giving up his hacker secrets in the holding cell
next door.
In any case, LANCE has always proven to be quite wily, and
he has a plan for getting out of this little contretemps:
http://nyvelocity.com/content/toto/2010/toto-turns-186
Fredmonsieur Ben
A. Dumas Fred
> There's a open French arrest warrant for [Landis].
No there isn't.
B. Lafferty
A. Dumas Fred
There never was. It was a request to appear, not an arrest warrant,
never mind an international arrest warrant as reported by several
quick-to-publish, non fact checking, badly translating media.
B. Lafferty
appear which was ignored resulting in an arrest warrant being issues
that was only valid on French soil. Give us a source saying that the
warrant has been vacated.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arrest-warrant-issued-for-landis-in-france
A. Dumas Fred
>>> On 6/6/2010 11:23 AM, A. Dumas Fred wrote:
>>>> B. Lafferty wrote:
>>>>> There's a open French arrest warrant for [Landis].
>>>>
>>>> No there isn't.
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arrest-warrant-issued-for-landis-in-france
Ah, I didn't know it developed from subpoena to arrest warrant.
B. Lafferty
> B. Lafferty wrote:
>>>> On 6/6/2010 11:23 AM, A. Dumas Fred wrote:
>>>>> B. Lafferty wrote:
>>>>>> There's a open French arrest warrant for [Landis].
>>>>>
>>>>> No there isn't.
>>
>> [...]
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arrest-warrant-issued-for-landis-in-france
>>
>
> Ah, I didn't know it developed from subpoena to arrest warrant.
actual hacking they may have vacated the warrant. I suspect that French
anti-doping investigators would very much like to speak with Landis
post-doping admissions.
K. Fred Gauss
3-4
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> > Ah, I didn't know it developed from subpoena to arrest warrant.
>
> It's possible that since they have a Frenchman who confessed to the
> actual hacking they may have vacated the warrant.
Super IP Expert Lafferty -
I thought, based upon your posting here, there was irrefutable proof
that Arnie and Floyd did it.
After all, hackers just make money for defense attorneys, right?
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
I should add:
has it occured to you that if Tugboat's Dad is left off the list
because Floyd likes him, there may be some people on the list because
Floyd doesn't like him?
B. Lafferty
Tug's dad verbally or in a sworn statement only the investigating
authorities are privy to? Of course not. Carry on.
B. Lafferty
address used in the hacking. See the CyclingNews and NY Times corrected
reports. It still isn't clear who did what, when. It's also not clear
who the Frenchman may or may not have been working for, particularly as
it appears he may have hacked for other "clients" as well.
Carry on.
DA74
>
> - Show quoted text -
Kurgobro,
What Floyd said, as dubiously credible as he is, doesn't really matter
in the grand scheme of things. I don't think anyone is going to down
based solely on his allegations. The investigator(s) are going to use
his allegations as a starting point and begin questioning those on the
periphery and work their way inward. In the probable absence of any
likely physical evidence they will seek corroboration from witnesses.
And Floyd's story will either fall apart or will be substantiated.
Simple as that.
Whether he didn't initially name Tyler because he is a bro is
irrelevant. Whether he named some guys with which he had an axe to
grind is irrelevant. Floyd's story alone does not a conviction make
and we're either at the beginning of a brewing storm or we've just
witnessed a small fender bender on the side of the highway.
You're Welcome,
DA74
Mark J.
> What Floyd said, as dubiously credible as he is, doesn't really matter
> in the grand scheme of things. I don't think anyone is going to down
> based solely on his allegations. The investigator(s) are going to use
> his allegations as a starting point and begin questioning those on the
> periphery and work their way inward. In the probable absence of any
> likely physical evidence they will seek corroboration from witnesses.
>
> And Floyd's story will either fall apart or will be substantiated.
> Simple as that.
No, there's a less simple and more likely alternative:
Floyd's allegations will be neither disproven nor substantiated, and
we'll remain in the "they're all quite possibly dopers but we'll never
know for sure who's who" limbo that we are in now.
If you think that this mess is going to magically resolve itself into
clarity, you're dreaming.
Mark J.
Fred Flintstein
Fockstick,
This is stuff from 2003 and earlier. Each path will end in
a "I don't remember" dead end. If there are any faxes from
Kik they are long gone. The people that have LANCE's
medical records have had years to scrub them.
People that hate LANCE are getting boners over this stuff
and it isn't leaving enough blood for their brains.
LANCE is going to get his ass kicked in the Tour. PTHL will
just have to be happy with that because it is all they are
going to get.
Fred Flintstein
Fredmaster of Brainerd
Dumbass,
You posted all this stuff about IP addresses,
Baker and Landis:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/3334fd6b65c6900f?hl=en
*after* the French guy owned up to the hacking.
So was it all just wishful thinking on your part?
Fredhacker Ben
B. Lafferty
French and US press. As you can see, I don't spend all my time
searching for the latest news.
The following appeared in the NY Times on *2/19/10*:
"Correction: February 19, 2010
An article on Tuesday about the issuing of an arrest warrant in France
for the United States cyclist Floyd Landis in connection with a computer
data hacking case from 2006 misstated the suspicions of investigators
after a security breach at the French antidoping lab that tested
Landis�s urine samples from the 2006 Tour de France. *Investigators
found that an e-mail message sent to another lab in an apparent effort
to discredit the Ch�tenay-Malabry antidoping lab � the message included
nonpublic documents from Landis�s Tour testing, the first indication
that the French lab had been hacked � had originated from the same
Internet Protocol address used by Arnie Baker, then Landis�s coach; they
did not conclude that a Trojan horse program used to download files
remotely from the lab could have originated from an e-mail message sent
from Baker�s computer.* (In fact, a French computer specialist, Alain
Quiros, has confessed to the hacking.)"
It's not clear how Landis and/or Baker's was involved in the matter.
Maybe that's part of why the French judge wanted to ask them about.
Keep trying. Carry on.
Fred on a stick
"Fredmaster of Brainerd" <bjwe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:230aaffc-3dc0-462f...@z15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> Dumbass,
>
> You posted all this stuff about IP addresses,
> Baker and Landis:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/3334fd6b65c6900f?hl=en
>
> *after* the French guy owned up to the hacking.
> So was it all just wishful thinking on your part?
That you keep track of this is disquieting.
Fredmaster of Brainerd
> On 6/6/2010 4:09 PM, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>
> > On Jun 6, 10:42 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> On 6/6/2010 1:05 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
>
> >>> On Jun 6, 9:43 am, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Ah, I didn't know it developed from subpoena to arrest warrant.
>
> >>>> It's possible that since they have a Frenchman who confessed to the
> >>>> actual hacking they may have vacated the warrant.
>
> >>> Super IP Expert Lafferty -
>
> >>> I thought, based upon your posting here, there was irrefutable proof
> >>> that Arnie and Floyd did it.
>
> >>> After all, hackers just make money for defense attorneys, right?
>
> >>> thanks,
>
> >>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> >> You're wrong again. There was an allegation reported as to the IP:
> >> address used in the hacking. See the CyclingNews and NY Times corrected
> >> reports. It still isn't clear who did what, when. It's also not clear
> >> who the Frenchman may or may not have been working for, particularly as
> >> it appears he may have hacked for other "clients" as well.
>
> >> Carry on.
>
> > Dumbass,
>
> > You posted all this stuff about IP addresses,
> > Baker and Landis:
>
>
> > *after* the French guy owned up to the hacking.
> > So was it all just wishful thinking on your part?
>
> > Fredhacker Ben
>
> As of 2/17 when I posted, I was citing what I was aware of from the
> French and US press. As you can see, I don't spend all my time
> searching for the latest news.
>
> The following appeared in the NY Times on *2/19/10*:
>
What, you mean you're not obsessed with this case
enough to keep up on this latest developments?
Counselor, I find this statement lacking in credibility.
In fact, in the very next message in that thread, still on
Feb 17, Curtis Fred-Russell pointed out that you were
completely off base and the French guy had already
confessed:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/faba0be996b61e62?hl=en
I hope Jeff Novitsky never gets wind of the inconsistencies
in your stories.
Fredmonsieur Ben
p.s. Chung, it is disquieting that I am paying attention to this,
but I don't keep track of it, I let the Google keep track. I just
googled up Arnie Baker in rbr, sort by date, and Vidmar's thread
on the Baker-Landis hacking scandal presented itself.
Betty Munro
>> You posted all this stuff about IP addresses,
>> Baker and Landis:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/3334fd6b65c6900f?hl=en
>> *after* the French guy owned up to the hacking.
Fred on a stick wrote:
> That you keep track of this is disquieting.
What's a bot to do with spare CPU cycles ?
A. Dumas Fred
> p.s. Chung, it is disquieting that I am paying attention to this,
> but I don't keep track of it, I let the Google keep track. I just
> googled up Arnie Baker in rbr, sort by date, and Vidmar's thread
> on the Baker-Landis hacking scandal presented itself.
I find the Google usenet search disquietingly unreliable. Search results
are often incomplete. And it's not X-No-Archive related.
K. Fred Gauss
> Floyd's story alone does not a conviction make
> and we're either at the beginning of a brewing storm or we've just
> witnessed a small fender bender on the side of the highway.
... and it could be years before we know which it is.
Zeno
>
> "(Armstrong) has talked about Floyd's mental well-being, as he's done with
> me and nearly every person who has questioned him," says LeMond, now 49 and
> slightly paunchy.
Er, knowing what we know and what Floyd has admitted, who wouldn't
question his mental well being? Is Greg seriously putting Floyd's
credibility and judgment on the same plane as his own? Floyd & Greg
are equally pure as the driven before LA's evil accusations? Well we
do know that Greg and Floyd share a libationary appreciation for the
straight stuff & the shooting-from-the-hip volubility associated
therewith, but does Greg really want to hitch his wagon to Floyd's
character? If so, perhaps he will write a glowing forward for the
next edition of "Positively False: The Real Story of How I Won the
Tour de France." Floyd, Greg, Novitsky & a fifth of Jeremiah Weed --
now that's entertainment!
Zeno