When Your Client Is Caught
B. Lafferty
The cycling star's agent and manager did not respond to requests for
comment. His lawyer, Bryan D. Daly, said any cyclists who accused
Armstrong of doping were lying.
"They just want to incriminate Lance Armstrong and that's my concern,"
Daly said. "The bottom line is, if you take away the soap opera and look
at the scientific evidence, there is nothing."
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20408050,00.html
If Tim and Lance are going to rely on the I never tested positive
defense, he'd better think about what he plans to do after spending time
in prison. IMO, Daly should start thinking about cutting a deal with
the AUSA to rat out Thom Weisel and avoid jail time for Armstrong--if he
can.
Fred Flintstein
> http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20408050,00.html
I would have thought that linking to the Fresno Fucking Bee would
be embarrassing enough but I guess not.
Fred Flintstein
Betty
>> http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20408050,00.html
Fred Flintstein wrote:
> I would have thought that linking to the Fresno Fucking Bee would
> be embarrassing enough but I guess not.
National Enquirer ?
Choppy Warburton
hell she is.
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2010/startracks/100816/fergie-2-320.jpg
Amit Ghosh
> If Tim and Lance are going to rely on the I never tested positive
> defense, he'd better think about what he plans to do after spending time
> in prison. IMO, Daly should start thinking about cutting a deal with
> the AUSA to rat out Thom Weisel and avoid jail time for Armstrong--if he
> can.
dumbass,
stop being a psycho ex-girlfriend. weisel won't enter the picture.
B. Lafferty
Bet?
RicodJour
wrote:
> It's good to see Fergie is looking better than ever - who ever the
> hell she is.
>
> http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2010/startracks/100816/fergie-2-320.jpg
Why is she holding a butt plug?
R
B. Lafferty
Fresno Fucking Bee, eh?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/sports/cycling/05armstrong.html?ref=sports
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/08/-california-residents-partied-in.html
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDkQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsports.espn.go.com%2Foly%2Fcycling%2Fnews%2Fstory%3Fid%3D5439369&ei=p9RaTLHKM8L78AbKzfSuAg&usg=AFQjCNFPiB_St20Bue0zl5_WsjgPm3c7tA
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CD0QFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2010%2F08%2F05%2Flance-armstrong-doping-in_n_671345.html&ei=p9RaTLHKM8L78AbKzfSuAg&usg=AFQjCNGWDZCARhVpYwOUjXII5YyxrjfsjA
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CD8QFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlanticwire.com%2Fopinions%2Fview%2Fopinion%2FCyclists-Bear-Down-on-Lance-Armstrong-Over-Doping-4602&ei=p9RaTLHKM8L78AbKzfSuAg&usg=AFQjCNFX4x9TGN7OoXqPNlIY-fyuDB5p5w
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CEUQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportingnews.com%2Fother%2Farticle%2F2010-08-05%2Fmore-allegations-doping-made-against-lance-armstrong&ei=p9RaTLHKM8L78AbKzfSuAg&usg=AFQjCNG43ardCNdYwx3VE7Hf6rsq-EnLJA
http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/08/05/more-cyclists-tell-prosecutors-lance-armstrong-doped/
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2010/08/lance-armstrong-floyd-landis-united-states-postal-service-tour-de-france/1&sa=X&ei=SdZaTNnlDYO78gbn__HvAg&ved=0CCkQqQIoATAA&usg=AFQjCNEnLwtndfWaYWtZstCvPrD91poTiQ
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2010/08/report_cyclists_say_lance_arms.html&sa=X&ei=SdZaTNnlDYO78gbn__HvAg&ved=0CCwQqQIoAjAA&usg=AFQjCNFq9aJS5GTER8kxvv6jKmjW3hzFLQ
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_2_0_t&usg=AFQjCNFOYZ1B6_UvdbQpFSSgIL74mIGhog&cid=8797573131581&ei=3dZaTKnyDoaS8ASilsoD&rt=STORY&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnymag.com%2Fdaily%2Fintel%2F2010%2F08%2Ffeds_inquiry_into_lance_armstr.html
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_7_0_t&usg=AFQjCNFquT9MgFrbv4O3Yq2OSYrF5Qq2BQ&cid=8797573131581&ei=3dZaTKnyDoaS8ASilsoD&rt=STORY&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fsports%2Fla-sp-lance-armstrong-20100805%2C0%2C2458175.story
Amit Ghosh
sure, $100.
you are a psycho ex and you are still hoping weisel will get into
trouble because of the old USAC family feud.
your psycho ex mentality clouds your objectivity.
Betty
>> It's good to see Fergie is looking better than ever - who ever the
>> hell she is.
RicodJour wrote:
> Why is she holding a butt plug?
Dumbass,
To use on Lafferty.
Fred Flintstein
Dumbass,
God help me I clicked on some of those. The ones I clicked on all
referenced the New York Times. So really, you could have stopped
at the first line and not moved on to People Magazine. Which also
referenced the NYT.
Amit's dead on, you are the psycho ex-girlfriend.
Fred Flintstein
RicodJour
>
> you are a psycho ex and you are still hoping weisel will get into
> trouble because of the old USAC family feud.
>
> your psycho ex mentality clouds your objectivity.
A perpetual hard-on has a tendency to do that.
You're spot on with the psycho ex-girlfriend thing.
He's the Douche Ex Machina.
R
GoneBeforeMyTime
What's appropiate punishment for Armstrong in your opinion? What would you
like to see happen to him if convicted? Just curious, I probably missed it
if you haven't said already. Just how hard do you want Armstrong to fall,
considering his contributions to cycling and cancer causes?
B. Lafferty
Well Fred, you complained about it being in the "Fresno Fucking Bee" so
I thought I show you some of the major news outlets that have picked up
the Macur story from the Times. Macur is a first class investigative
journalist. I expect we'll be reading a lot more from her as the
investigation progresses toward a possible indictment.
Get ready for the show Fred. I think it's over for Fucking Lance & Co. :-)
B. Lafferty
Fred Flintstein
> Get ready for the show Fred. I think it's over for Fucking Lance & Co. :-)
So you'd put money on a conviction? Either LANCE or Thom?
Fred Flintstein
B. Lafferty
It depends on the charge(s) on which a jury finds him guilty. Take a
look at http://www.ussc.gov/2009guid/TABCON09.htm if you have lots of
free time on your hands. :-)
If he's convicted of a Rico violation it can be up to 20 years on each
count. The amounts of money involved will impact the sentence as will
the criminal background of the defendant. I'm going to guess that the
major players, as opposed to just the riders, are potentially looking at
5 to 15 years in prison plus restitution, but really, it's way to early
to look at the sentencing guidelines as nobody has been indicted yet.
As to what I consider an appropriate punishment---Thom, Lance, Johan and
maybe Och should do 10-15 which, IIRC, would get them out in around 8
years with good behavior. I don't know how Lance's cancer foundation
will play out with a judge. You could argue it a number of ways. I
don't think it will impact positively as he has potentially used the
foundation to help perpetrate either the fraud or its cover up.
All of this is speculation, as Fred and RICO will cry. But, what the
boys are potentially facing are very serious criminal charges involving
perpetrating a fraud on an agency of the US government.
B. Lafferty
If indicted, I never bet on what a jury will do.
Fred Flintstein
Grow a pair! You just said you think it's over. Except that
it isn't!
Stop being such a coward.
Fred Flintstein
B. Lafferty
It has nothing to do with a pair of anything. Anyone who's tried cases
to juries will tell you that you never know what a jury is going to do,
period.
Fredmaster of Brainerd
> On 8/5/2010 2:01 PM, GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
>
>
>
> > B. Lafferty wrote:
> >> It's times like this that make lawyers wish they'd gone to medical
> >> school.
> >> The cycling star's agent and manager did not respond to requests for
> >> comment. His lawyer, Bryan D. Daly, said any cyclists who accused
> >> Armstrong of doping were lying.
>
> >> "They just want to incriminate Lance Armstrong and that's my concern,"
> >> Daly said. "The bottom line is, if you take away the soap opera and
> >> look at the scientific evidence, there is nothing."
> >>http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20408050,00.html
>
> >> If Tim and Lance are going to rely on the I never tested positive
> >> defense, he'd better think about what he plans to do after spending
> >> time in prison. IMO, Daly should start thinking about cutting a deal
> >> with the AUSA to rat out Thom Weisel and avoid jail time for Armstrong--if
> >> he can.
>
> > What's appropiate punishment for Armstrong in your opinion? What would you
> > like to see happen to him if convicted? Just curious, I probably missed it
> > if you haven't said already. Just how hard do you want Armstrong to fall,
> > considering his contributions to cycling and cancer causes?
>
> It depends on the charge(s) on which a jury finds him guilty. Take a
> free time on your hands. :-)
>
> If he's convicted of a Rico violation it can be up to 20 years on each
> count. The amounts of money involved will impact the sentence as will
> the criminal background of the defendant. I'm going to guess that the
> major players, as opposed to just the riders, are potentially looking at
> 5 to 15 years in prison plus restitution, but really, it's way to early
> to look at the sentencing guidelines as nobody has been indicted yet.
>
> As to what I consider an appropriate punishment---Thom, Lance, Johan and
> maybe Och should do 10-15 which, IIRC, would get them out in around 8
> years with good behavior. I don't know how Lance's cancer foundation
> will play out with a judge. You could argue it a number of ways. I
> don't think it will impact positively as he has potentially used the
> foundation to help perpetrate either the fraud or its cover up.
>
> All of this is speculation, as Fred and RICO will cry. But, what the
> boys are potentially facing are very serious criminal charges involving
> perpetrating a fraud on an agency of the US government.
Dumbass,
Why do you keep talking about Ochowicz?
I'm perfectly prepared to believe Ochowicz is not only
dirty but an evil genius and responsible for all that is
wrong with USA Cycling. But Ochowicz, to my knowledge,
has never been an owner of or principal in Tailwind
Sports. He was employed by Tommy Weisel, and Landis
did name him in his allegations, but Landis named him in
the context of a consultant for Phonak, and as co-owner
of BMC, teams that were rivals to Tailwind-owned teams.
Unless I missed something, because I haven't read
every last allegation of Floyd's. I still don't see the link
between Ochowicz and this putative fraud on USPS
though.
So I don't understand why you keep saying "Armstrong,
Weisel, Ochowicz," except that they are three people
possibly affiliated with doping and three people that
you don't like. However, that is not enough to send
someone to jail. This gives credence to Amit's theory
that you are the psycho ex-girlfriend with respect to
these clowns.
Ben
Mike Jacoubowsky
news:1rudnZXa9bHAIMfR...@giganews.com...
We're making an awful lot out of strategically-placed leaks designed by the
prosecution to give the appearance that Lance's world is falling apart...
the goal being to encourage others to testify against Lance & Company
because otherwise they might get swept along with him.
From everything I've read so far, there's nothing to indicate a rolling
snowball effect yet, but that's what they're hoping to accomplish. In my
humble opinion, an excellent strategy for the prosecution. But again, we're
making a lot out of a strategy, and actually have no clue as to what
testimony has actually been given, nor by whom or how many.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
RicodJour
> On 8/5/2010 1:41 PM, RicodJour wrote:> On Aug 5, 11:32 am, Amit Ghosh<amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> you are a psycho ex and you are still hoping weisel will get into
> >> trouble because of the old USAC family feud.
>
> >> your psycho ex mentality clouds your objectivity.
>
> > A perpetual hard-on has a tendency to do that.
>
> > You're spot on with the psycho ex-girlfriend thing.
> > He's the Douche Ex Machina.
>
>
http://tinyurl.com/Wot-A-Maroon
Ya know the whole master fatty thing, Barry? It's supposed to be a
joke, but from the look of your chins and the spread of that coat, you
seem to take it quite literally. There also seems to be another chin
growing - parthenogenic chin growth...? Do you shake them to scare
your chess opponent?
I now understand your 'little' comments. I will make sure to not
stand between you and any Little Debbie products.
R
RicodJour
wrote:
This should help explain things:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGSDd0uGASs
Let it end and it goes on to the next. Notice the times of the calls.
R
Mike Jacoubowsky
If the choice is 10-15 or innocent, the case folds, everyone walks. If the
prosecutor has no choice but to frame it that way, he's nuts to get
involved. There's just not enough "there" even if all of your dreams came
true, to convince a jury of ordinary citizens that something was done worthy
of such a sentence.
It doesn't matter that the jury must respect the rule of law; they're
people, and they'll respond to the idea that doping was/is a "normal" part
of the sport, that Lance wasn't doing anything anyone else wasn't doing, and
that the fact that it involved US Government money through sponsorship, a
sponsorship which it can be argued was of immense benefit to USPS
considering the relatively small sum involved vs exposure, *and* that the
image of the USPS wasn't tarnished by the team back then nor is it tarnished
by any revelations today... all of that comes into play in the juror's mind.
I just don't get the intense emotional involvement you and others have in
this case. Regardless of your feelings about Lance or whomever, it's not
that difficult to detach yourself from that and be fascinated by the
process, consider the various what-ifs, and leave the emotional involvement
for something more worthy than rbr. And I say this despite most believing
that I have a dog in this race. If I can do this, why can't others?
All in my humble opinion, of course.
Kurgan Gringioni
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
news:BcidnSYdUsH8lsbR...@earthlink.com...
: "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
Dumbass -
They've got a problem with the statute of limitations. Even the NYT article
said that.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Kurgan Gringioni
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
:
: It doesn't matter that the jury must respect the rule of law; they're
: people, and they'll respond to the idea that doping was/is a "normal" part
: of the sport, that Lance wasn't doing anything anyone else wasn't doing,
and
: that the fact that it involved US Government money through sponsorship
<snip>
Dumbass -
IMO, the idea that doping was "fraud" is an especially weak idea.
Doping is beneficial to the sponsor if the end result is more victories. The
sponsor is paying for exposure right?
How is the sponsor defrauded? They got more bang for their buck.
Doping violations should be handled by sports governing bodies, not criminal
courts.
K. Fred Gauss
Then why did you say "I think it's over for Fucking Lance & Co."?
Is it, or isn't it? Make up your mind.
SHIT OR GET OFF THE POT!!!!
B. Lafferty
That it's over for Lance has nothing to do with whether he's ever
convicted or not, Fred. Why are you shouting? LOL!!!
RicodJour
>
> That it's over for Lance has nothing to do with whether he's ever
> convicted or not, Fred. Why are you shouting? LOL!!!
Finally, Barry. Something that's truly lawyerly emanates from you.
Setting up your Plan B fallback position.
Haven't you seen the RadioShack commercial where LANCE is dictating to
some assistant about how grown men should never write LOL? Maybe
that's why he's ignoring your tweets...and Facebook friend requests.
God, that's gotta hurt.
R
K. Fred Gauss
You were on hiatus at the time, so the meme passed you by. Thanks for
the opportunity to resurrect it, though.