Landis' comments
Jim Flom
"Motivated perhaps by the chance to distance Floyd Landis, who Armstrong
considered had made unsavoury comments about him in L'Equipe..."
Anyone know what Landis said?
Dewey B
After queries from readers wanting more details about comments made by
Floyd Landis to L’Equipe that earned a rebuke from Lance Armstrong,
here are the relevant sections of the story that appeared in yesterday
morning’s paper:
“I will always remember the 2003 Tour, it was the only time that people
thought he could lose. Everyone around him was concerned, even us, his
team-mates. But the most surprising thing was that he didn’t show
anything. I will always remember that he directed the other riders
around like the boss of a company. For him, the race was business and
he was the boss.
“In some teams they often talk about their friendship, but in a team
like that with someone who behaves as if he really is the boss, I don’t
think you can go that far in talking about friendship. In everyday life
it’s hard to be friends with your boss. I don’t believe that Lance has
ever had that kind of friendship with any of his team-mates, even with
George Hincapie, whom he has known since he was 17. Friendship can’t
exist when you give orders and direct others. It’s not necessarily a
negative thing. It’s by acting in this way that Lance has been able to
win the Tour so often.”
ila...@yahoo.com
being under total Armstrong control it seems fair for Landis to express
his mixed feelings. If Armstrong takes it badly, then it will just
confirm that there is a problem. As was pointed out in the Playboy
interview, Armstrong is not very graceful about his detractors. It
reminds me of James Cameron's flame war with the film critic of
the LA Times who gave a negative review of Titanic: You just made
a billion won numerous Academy Awards, so why
focus on a single negative point.
-ilan
Dewey B a écrit :
> from procycling: http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=1466
>
> After queries from readers wanting more details about comments made by
> Floyd Landis to L?Equipe that earned a rebuke from Lance Armstrong,
> here are the relevant sections of the story that appeared in yesterday
> morning?s paper:
>
> ?I will always remember the 2003 Tour, it was the only time that people
> thought he could lose. Everyone around him was concerned, even us, his
> team-mates. But the most surprising thing was that he didn?t show
> anything. I will always remember that he directed the other riders
> around like the boss of a company. For him, the race was business and
> he was the boss.
>
> ?In some teams they often talk about their friendship, but in a team
> like that with someone who behaves as if he really is the boss, I don?t
> think you can go that far in talking about friendship. In everyday life
> it?s hard to be friends with your boss. I don?t believe that Lance has
> ever had that kind of friendship with any of his team-mates, even with
> George Hincapie, whom he has known since he was 17. Friendship can?t
> exist when you give orders and direct others. It?s not necessarily a
> negative thing. It?s by acting in this way that Lance has been able to
> win the Tour so often.?
Dewey B
think OLN caught it nor did they talk about it today. A friend who
watches French TV said Lance was standing on his pedals yelling and
gesturing while Floyd ignored him.
Ewoud Dronkert
> Anyone know what Landis said?
See the thread "Floyd & Lance" that started about 15 hours ago, and the
answer by "trg" in particular.
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David Ferguson
friendly enough. And some boss, when he heard that, said 'tough
titties'.
That's a story that's happened since the beginning of time and will go
on forever.
Damn, they can make news out of anything.
Jim Flom
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> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:06:06 GMT, Jim Flom wrote:
>> Anyone know what Landis said?
>
> See the thread "Floyd & Lance" that started about 15 hours ago, and the
> answer by "trg" in particular.
If trg and the above comments by Dewey, I have to say, what's the big deal?
dre...@yahoo.com
<jim...@telus.puddleglum.net> wrote:
>
>If trg and the above comments by Dewey, I have to say, what's the big deal?
>
Lance's thuggish antics always draw interest.
Particularly since there is little point to them.
ila...@yahoo.com
right next to the Landis comments, and was very much insulting to
Armstrong. It was about the Casartelli memorial service held on the
rest day, and the author of the article makes it clear what he thinks
about the fact that Armstrong wasn't there. In fact, the article
is titled: "Absent aux ceremonies pour Casartelli". The person
who wrote that deserves the full wrath of Armstrong, in my opinion.
Just to show you that it isn't easy being him.
-ilan
Jim Flom a écrit :
ila...@yahoo.com
ila...@yahoo.com a écrit :
> is titled: "Absent aux ceremonies pour Casartelli".
For those who don't speak French, the point is that only
a single Tour rider went to the ceremony, but the word
"Absent" in the title is singular, despite the 155
absentees.
-ilan
hiza...@yahoo.com
Lance has this attitude of "your with me or your against me".
With so much talent on Discovery it will be hard for a new team captain
to maintain this.
Personally I think the Look team and or Renault-Elf team promoted a
more healthy racing attitude. Although Lance has seemed a bit more
willing to let other members of Discovery win a stage now that is
victory is fairly certain.
Michael
<dre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1petd15decsl2hagg...@4ax.com...
It's true, but that's partly what makes him such a winner -- competitive
even about trivial stuff.
m.
Tim Lines
HE BEAT LANDIS UP? Right in the middle of a stage?!?
Jim Flom
>
> HE BEAT LANDIS UP? Right in the middle of a stage?!?
How do you know this? "In his post-race comments, however, Armstrong did
not allude to any desire to turn the screws on his former teammate. "
Morten Reippuert Knudsen
nice, i'm bneginnig to like this Landis guy :)
Here is another story of something that happened during stage 9.
M.Rasmussen was in a brakeaway along with Cioni, while Vogt and Moreau
chases them.
Armstrongs's is beginning to worry because he dosen't know who
M.Rasmussen is, and seeks out Bogerd in the peloton to ask him: "This
Rasmussen, who is he? And what is he doing out there?", Bogerd
answars: "Don't worry about him, he's just collecting points, once he
has passed all the climbs he will stop". An anoid Armstrong says to
Bogerd as he rides back to his team "whatever... i don't care about
him anyway." An hour or two later when M.Rasmussssen has passed all the
climbs and has'nt stoped, Armstrong seeks out Bogerd again and asks
him "Hey, didn't you say that he would stop, once he had passed the
climbs? and Bogerds answers him: "Didn't you say that you didn't
care about him?"
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Interesting story, but should not the main character have been Ullrich?
Tim Lines
> Lance's thuggish antics always draw interest.
I'm thinking that Lance talking to Landis while they're riding a stage
hardly qualifies as "thuggish". When 2 people don't see eye to eye on a
subject and they speak to each other about it, it is unreasonable to
describe that as "thuggish". For Lance to have behaved thuggishly, he
would have had to break Landis' kneecaps or something.
What I'm saying here is that Drew is guilty of genocide. See?
crit pro
hiza...@yahoo.com wrote:
> It has bothered me how self-centered Lance has been over the years.
> Lance has this attitude of "your with me or your against me".
he is from texas...
fuck lance, fuck bush
Jim Flom
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It would be reasonable to invoke the Patriot Act, and Rumsfeld can detain
him as an enemy combatant, and hold him indefinitely without charges since
there's already a prima facie case against him.
Bob Schwartz
> he is from texas...
> fuck bush
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/a5e281630ba7de85?hl=en&
That's quite a change from 'W has a mandate.'
Bob Schwartz
cv...@execpc.com
dre...@yahoo.com
<line...@SPAM.SPAM.SPAM> wrote:
>I'm thinking that Lance talking to Landis while they're riding a stage
>hardly qualifies as "thuggish".
Like the way he "talked" to Simeoni last year.
dre...@yahoo.com
Knudsen<sp...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
>Here is another story of something that happened during stage 9.
>
>M.Rasmussen was in a brakeaway along with Cioni, while Vogt and Moreau
>chases them.
>
>Armstrongs's is beginning to worry because he dosen't know who
>M.Rasmussen is, and seeks out Bogerd in the peloton to ask him: "This
>Rasmussen, who is he? And what is he doing out there?", Bogerd
>answars: "Don't worry about him, he's just collecting points, once he
>has passed all the climbs he will stop". An anoid Armstrong says to
>Bogerd as he rides back to his team "whatever... i don't care about
>him anyway." An hour or two later when M.Rasmussssen has passed all the
>climbs and has'nt stoped, Armstrong seeks out Bogerd again and asks
>him "Hey, didn't you say that he would stop, once he had passed the
>climbs? and Bogerds answers him: "Didn't you say that you didn't
>care about him?"
This is some great stuff.
Tim Lines
Don't try to change the subject, you baby killer.
David Ferguson
<line...@SPAM.SPAM.SPAM> wrote:
>dre...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:10:50 -0700, Tim Lines
>> <line...@SPAM.SPAM.SPAM> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm thinking that Lance talking to Landis while they're riding a stage
>>>hardly qualifies as "thuggish".
>>
>>
>> Like the way he "talked" to Simeoni last year.
>
>Don't try to change the subject, you baby killer.
LMAO
dre...@yahoo.com
<line...@SPAM.SPAM.SPAM> wrote:
>> Like the way he "talked" to Simeoni last year.
>
>Don't try to change the subject,
Hello ? A public humiliation in the peloton, for all the world to
observe ?
Raptor
> Personally I think the Look team and or Renault-Elf team promoted a
> more healthy racing attitude. Although Lance has seemed a bit more
> willing to let other members of Discovery win a stage now that is
> victory is fairly certain.
I think he's a bit - just a bit - of a jerk, reading about and watching
him over the years. Other riders, and other sports champions, are more
graceful and friendly. But there are also very many who are worse, some
much worse (baseball players come to mind).
It's got to be hard to read years worth of press clippings like he gets,
and maintain your healthy self-perspective. Some of the adulation is
going to sink in.
Remember in 2002(?) when Heras was kicking ass in Lance's name, and
Lance expressed his wish to "get a stage win for Roberto."
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hiza...@yahoo.com
look at his conduct overall it does not qualify as a jerk at least in
my judgement.
Lance seems to have this I am celebrity so don't talk to me attitude. I
remember Lance came to San Diego to carry the torch for the Olympics.
After Lance gave his speech he simply rushed off and only signed a
couple of autographs.
Donald Munro
> It would be reasonable to invoke the Patriot Act, and Rumsfeld can detain
> him as an enemy combatant, and hold him indefinitely without charges since
> there's already a prima facie case against him.
Rumsfeld must be a regular poster to rbr. I mean he is a dumbass, so
therefore he must be a rbr poster. I leave it to heather to tell us what
rumsfeld's rbr alias is.
Donald Munro
> Here is another story of something that happened during stage 9.
>
> M.Rasmussen was in a brakeaway along with Cioni, while Vogt and Moreau
> chases them.
>
> Armstrongs's is beginning to worry because he dosen't know who
> M.Rasmussen is, and seeks out Bogerd in the peloton to ask him: "This
> Rasmussen, who is he? And what is he doing out there?", Bogerd
> answars: "Don't worry about him, he's just collecting points, once he
> has passed all the climbs he will stop". An anoid Armstrong says to
> Bogerd as he rides back to his team "whatever... i don't care about
> him anyway." An hour or two later when M.Rasmussssen has passed all the
> climbs and has'nt stoped, Armstrong seeks out Bogerd again and asks
> him "Hey, didn't you say that he would stop, once he had passed the
> climbs? and Bogerds answers him: "Didn't you say that you didn't
> care about him?"
The bogey man got LANCE ?
Morten Reippuert Knudsen
> Interesting story, but should not the main character have been Ullrich?
Ulrich knew about Rasmussen, one can only wonder why Armstrong didn't.
Morten Reippuert Knudsen
> This is some great stuff.
Yes, collected by Jørgen Leth <http://imdb.com/name/nm0504654/>.
Danish tv viewers has been fortunate enough that filmmaker and
cyclingfan Jørgen Leth has commented TDF (and other major races) for
danish TV for more than 25 years. He doesn't alwasy notice the
tactical spins and who's who - but is very good at finding and telling
stories.
btw a must for every cycling fans are these two Leth films about
cycling:
<http://imdb.com/title/tt0200173/>
<http://imdb.com/title/tt0193171/>
Jonathan v.d. Sluis
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Indurain didn't need that.
Qui si parla Campagnolo
> >
> > ?I will always remember the 2003 Tour, it was the only time that people
> > thought he could lose. Everyone around him was concerned, even us, his
> > team-mates. But the most surprising thing was that he didn?t show
> > anything. I will always remember that he directed the other riders
> > around like the boss of a company. For him, the race was business and
> > he was the boss.
> >
> > ?In some teams they often talk about their friendship, but in a team
> > like that with someone who behaves as if he really is the boss, I don?t
> > think you can go that far in talking about friendship. In everyday life
> > it?s hard to be friends with your boss. I don?t believe that Lance has
> > ever had that kind of friendship with any of his team-mates, even with
> > George Hincapie, whom he has known since he was 17. Friendship can?t
> > exist when you give orders and direct others. It?s not necessarily a
> > negative thing. It?s by acting in this way that Lance has been able to
> > win the Tour so often.?
Not why sure anybody is surprised. He is focused and undoubtedly the
boss. Many listen to him, respect him but not many want to go have a
beer with him.
B. Lafferty
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in message
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You'd best not show up for the next Roses ride.
Michael
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No, he didn't. But you look at the overall makeup of Armstrong, and he's
a battler with a chip on his shoulder probably because he's struggling with
some class issues. He doesn't settle for second, even in trivial personal slights.
It doesn't make him paricularly likeable always, even amongst his teammates,
but it does drive him to win.
m.
Qui si parla Campagnolo
B. Lafferty wrote:
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in message
> >
> > Not why sure anybody is surprised. He is focused and undoubtedly the
> > boss. Many listen to him, respect him but not many want to go have a
> > beer with him.
> >
>
> You'd best not show up for the next Roses ride.
Well, I wouldn't go to that ride anyway but what I said was not
demeaning at all.
He is no different than many very strong bosses, Trump comes to mind,
Tiger Woods, Scotty Pippin, lots of others.
B. Lafferty
I'm not disagreeing with you. But what you've said apparently upsets
Armstrong. In any event, 600 of his "friends" are going to his retirement
bash at the Ritz. Was anyone from rbr invited??
Qui si parla Campagnolo
B. Lafferty wrote:
> >
> > Well, I wouldn't go to that ride anyway but what I said was not
> > demeaning at all.
> > He is no different than many very strong bosses, Trump comes to mind,
> > Tiger Woods, Scotty Pippin, lots of others.
> >
>
> I'm not disagreeing with you. But what you've said apparently upsets
> Armstrong. In any event, 600 of his "friends" are going to his retirement
> bash at the Ritz. Was anyone from rbr invited??
Maybe now he has a chance to be more friendly and open. A gent from
Velonews just returned from the race and said most teams, at the
finish, were very open and willing to yack with the fans. Special
mention was made of CSC and Ivan Basso. Discovery hustled behind a
guarded enclave and got out the 'back door' to their private hotel.
RJG
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Here's a different perspective to consider, from Coyle's book, pp 135-6:
People milled about the bus, thrill giving way to disappointment. He had
been there--right there--and now he was gone. A middle-aged man approached
John Korioth, having deduced that Korioth was Armstrong's good friend,
College. The man told his story. His name was David, and he had leukemia.
David had come from Califronia to see Lance. This was his third straight day
outside the bus; each time Armstrong had stopped for ten seconds, talked to
one person, and bolted. Now David was more than upset; he was pissed. He
wanted thirty seconds, no more. What more could he do? Was there a way, any
way?
Korioth fixed David with a long, steady look.
"I sure hope you didn't drive all that way for this," Korioth said. "Because
in front of you there's a guy whose wife and kids both have cancer, and in
front of that guy are ten more people who've got something worse."
Korioth watched David's face go slack as the information sank in.
"I'm sure it sounded harsh," Korioth said later. "People come to him with
these expectations; they have this connection to him that goes very deep,
and it's endless. If he stops for five seconds, it could be five hours, and
Lance understands that the only way to have any kind of life of your own is
to sometimes be perceived as somewhat of an asshole."
How else can you explain the depth of it, except through harshness? The line
outside the bus starts with Iris. Behind her stands the widow of a pastor in
Michigan who died after being hit by a car, could Lance write a letter to be
read at the funeral? Behind her stand the parents of a twelve-year-old
Pennsylvania boy wondering if Armstrong might have a minute to make a phone
call. Behind them stand others, more and more every day, every minute, like
the parents in France who wrapped up their sick child in a white blanket and
met Armstrong in a field. Could Lance just touch him on the forehead, just
once? Please?
How do you satisfy that much need?
You can't.
More interestingly, what kind of person tries, anyway?
Ray_...@hotmail.com
Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> Ray_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
> > Interesting story, but should not the main character have been Ulrich?
>
> Ulrich knew about Rasmussen, one can only wonder why Armstrong didn't.
>
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How do you know what Ulrich knew?
gwhite
>
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in message
> news:1121964073.7...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> > B. Lafferty wrote:
> >> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in message
> >
> >> >
> >> > Not why sure anybody is surprised. He is focused and undoubtedly the
> >> > boss. Many listen to him, respect him but not many want to go have a
> >> > beer with him.
> >> >
> >>
> >> You'd best not show up for the next Roses ride.
> >
> > Well, I wouldn't go to that ride anyway but what I said was not
> > demeaning at all.
> > He is no different than many very strong bosses, Trump comes to mind,
> > Tiger Woods, Scotty Pippin, lots of others.
> >
>
> I'm not disagreeing with you. But what you've said apparently upsets
> Armstrong. In any event, 600 of his "friends" are going to his retirement
> bash at the Ritz. Was anyone from rbr invited??
I have a virtual invitation.
Sir Topham Hatt
arms ...
Morten Reippuert Knudsen<sp...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
>Dewey B <ruby...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Anyone have any links to photos or videos of that moment? I don't
>> think OLN caught it nor did they talk about it today. A friend who
>> watches French TV said Lance was standing on his pedals yelling and
>> gesturing while Floyd ignored him.
>
>nice, i'm bneginnig to like this Landis guy :)
Sir Topham Hatt
r15...@aol.com
> Here is another story of something that happened during stage 9.
>
> M.Rasmussen was in a brakeaway along with Cioni, while Vogt and Moreau
> chases them.
>
> Armstrongs's is beginning to worry because he dosen't know who
> M.Rasmussen is,
Chicken is one of the best mtb racers ever
and one of the better known riders in the
peloton.
More plausibly, Armstrong isnt sure if Chicken
is going for GC or just the jersey, and wants to
find out so he can properly boss his team.
Robert
Morten Reippuert Knudsen
> Oh yeah Lance is quaking in his boots over Rasmussen, the man with match stick
> arms ...
??
Morten Reippuert Knudsen
> > > Interesting story, but should not the main character have been Ulrich?
> >
> > Ulrich knew about Rasmussen, one can only wonder why Armstrong didn't.
> >
> How do you know what Ulrich knew?
I don't, but he follows european cycling more than Armstrong and rides
the autum classics, where Rasmussen has been a factor riding in
support for Jalabert, Bogerd and Freire since becommming a roadracer
- besides the guy is his mentor and friend's invention, don't you
think he would know about him?
Regarding Armstrong i just wonder why he doesn't know about him?
They've raced agains each other in Dauphine Libere for a cupple of
years, and in last years TDF Rasmussen made a very prommising debut in
the mountains - heck he even finnished 14th. GC despide his efforts to
/loose/ time and not gaining a single second in a for-free brakeaway.
The bookies and just about every european expert had Rasmussen as
favorite for the polka dot.