Real RBR Members:
Tom Kunich
riding?
Bill C
> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any
> riding?
Unfortunately none of either, though I'm still going to try and talk
my way into doing the New Years day ride. Not being totally stupid,
when I started talking about taking the new cross bike out the other
day in the snow and ice, the wife made it clear that if I didn't kill
myself on the ride, she'd kill me when I got home, so I'm still
negotiating. Got all the cross/cold weather stuff earlier in the year
so the kids could race, and I found mine so I could ride. At least
they got to race.
Hope everyone else has gotten out some. Still see a few people riding
here, but most of those are commuting. Short break for everyone after
Nats. I'm betting we get 30-50 people for New Years though.
Bill C
Mark
> On Dec 29, 7:51 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any
>> riding?
>
> Unfortunately none of either, though I'm still going to try and talk
> my way into doing the New Years day ride. Not being totally stupid,
> when I started talking about taking the new cross bike out the other
> day in the snow and ice, the wife made it clear that if I didn't kill
> myself on the ride, she'd kill me when I got home, so I'm still
> negotiating.
If you've got the frame clearance, the Nokian Hakkapeliitta W106
(700x35mm) work great on ice or packed snow (scroll down on
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/studdedtires.asp). They do drag, but
that's to be expected. Then the only danger is cars sliding into /you/,
of which the chance is (sadly) not zero.
(Happy customer here; I use them to commute on those black-ice mornings.)
For the OP, I got a warm cycling jacket that works well in cold drizzle
(the more typical winter condition in western Oregon).
Mark J.
Michael Baldwin
potatoes, garden fresh green beans, pumpkin pie, and about a bucket of
that chex mix stuff, plus all the decadent goodies, has resulted in 30
extra minutes on the stationary every day this week...so in a
round-about way, YES & YES!
Best Regards - Mike Baldwin
Ryan Cousineau
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any
> riding?
Not much riding of late, aside from my presently-short commutes.
For Christmas, I received a $75 cheque to be spent at the Sports Junkies
Boxing Day sale.
Thanks to finding a pair of high-end incandescent light sets ($15 and
$35 respectively), and a mismatched, mispriced road wheelset under the
table (Shimano R550 front, Alex A-Class rear, both for $40), I had a
very merry Christmas.
The Bill Werbeniuk memorial Cyclocross ride will leave from Calhoun's at
11am New Year's Day. Don't wear your club's kit, BYOB.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcou...@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
Kurgan Gringioni
> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any
> riding?
Dumbass -
Only Freds get/want cycling stuff for Christmas.
Happy Holidays!
K. Gringioni.
Bob Helland
says...
> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any
> riding?
Couple really cool cycling calendars.
Not much riding. Had a bit of a virus for a couple weeks. Throat,
head, sinus, etc.
*NO* energy at all.
How 'bout you?
-Bob
Tom Kunich
news:MPG.21e1654e4...@news.giganews.com...
> In article <13ndqrv...@corp.supernews.com>, cyclintom@yahoo.
> says...
>> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any
>> riding?
>
> Couple really cool cycling calendars.
Yeah, that's what I got as well. But then it would be pretty hard for anyone
to get me anything I don't already have.
It was drizzling on Saturday so I pulled out the touring bike since it has
fenders. I think I'm going to have to find an old steel frame and build a
REAL(tm) winter bike - one with cyclocross knobbies, fenders, long wheelbase
etc.
Tomorrow is my last day of work at this job so I'll be able to ride mornings
while looking for work afternoons.
Fred Fredburger
> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any
> riding?
I asked for no bicycle stuff, because I've already got tons. I asked for
pictures, prints, art to put on the walls. I knew it would please my
wife to shop for such things. One of the things she bought looks like:
Bill C
That's cool. On the same note I got the wife a really cool bike
sculpture. It's a lot like the "bicycle planters", but it's not one.
It looks like a 1930s utility bike complete with wicker basket on the
front, actual rubber tires, leather seat, all out if antiqued iron.
It's about 12" high and 18" long. Pretty cool, but I'm a fred for cool
handbuilt stuff.
Bill C
Andre
no wine with that?
Andre
joseph.sa...@gmail.com
> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any
> riding?
4 flats and a long cold walk home.
Joseph
Tom Kunich
news:0aCdnezyloqnIura...@comcast.com...
I'm pretty touchy about stuff that I hang on my walls. I actually have taste
in art where most others think that you put pictures on the wall to cover
cracks or to make the wall look more balanced. I remember being in an art
store one time when a woman came in and asked for something "large and
green".
Most of the stuff hanging on my walls would sell as REAL(tm) art instead of
Dali prints.
Tom Kunich
news:6a46aa88-f618-4f5c...@21g2000hsj.googlegroups.com...
Jeez, sorry about that Joseph. For some reason I haven't had many flats this
year. Well, at least riding. Half my bikes out hanging in the garage have at
least one flat tire from who knows what.
joseph.sa...@gmail.com
> "Fred Fredburger" <FredFredbur...@WhereAreTheNachos.huh> wrote in message
What's an art store? A place to buy dogs playing poker, or velvet
Elvises?
Joseph
Bret
> In article <13ndqrv2us2k...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any
> > riding?
>
> Not much riding of late, aside from my presently-short commutes.
Not much riding here either with snow on the road for the past week.
I've spent the holiday weekend hacking my Apple TV. It's now running
an Apache web server that hosts a web page that emulates the ATV
remote. I can now change the playlist from any room in the house as
long as I have a hand held computer that costs more than the ATV
handy. This is a mostly useless but very rewarding project, my
Chrismas present to myself. The best actual present I got was a nice
stainless steel salad spinner which does a great job seperating the
chaff from freshly roasted coffee. I don't need any bike stuff.
Bret
joseph.sa...@gmail.com
> <joseph.santanie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
The second one was pretty hairy. The air went out of the front tire
quite rapidly while on a steeply crowned down-hill road that was quite
icy with a car approaching from behind. I wanted to clip out one foot,
but I was afraid it would upset my precarious balance, so I took it
into the gravel and frozen grass on the side where I could brake to a
stop.
I made up for my bad flat luck in spades with all the bike gear I
scored for X-mas though, so no complaints from me!
Joseph
Tom Kunich
news:1748befb-96e2-4c22...@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> What's an art store? A place to buy dogs playing poker, or velvet
> Elvises?
It's a place that would NEVER be called an Art Gallery.
joseph.sa...@gmail.com
> <joseph.santanie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
When I was a kid folks got jobs either as bike messengers, or at art
galleries in SoHo doing "installations". We had many a laugh. Girls,
or guys with the proper haircut got jobs as salespeople, so they had
to play the game full out, but we just got to come in and make fun of
everyone, teasing them for thinking they weren't any stupider than we
were.
Joseph
William Asher
<snip>
>
> Most of the stuff hanging on my walls would sell as REAL(tm) art
> instead of Dali prints.
>
I vaguely recall you saying a while back that you had painted Sunflowers,
the Mona Lisa, Sistine Chapel, and some other shit, so that you appreciate
fine art comes as no great surprise. At least to me.
My favorite print is a poster I picked up at the museum outside Pax River
NAS. It has a black and white silouette of an aircraft carrier and the
caption in big block letters reads "90,000 tons of diplomacy." Maybe
that's too Dali-esque for you though.
--
Bill Asher
John Forrest Tomlinson
Donald Munro
> What's an art store? A place to buy dogs playing poker, or velvet Elvises?
Its a place where you can buy a Pinarello.
b...@mambo.ucolick.org
>
> My favorite print is a poster I picked up at the museum outside Pax River
> NAS. It has a black and white silouette of an aircraft carrier and the
> caption in big block letters reads "90,000 tons of diplomacy." Maybe
> that's too Dali-esque for you though.
http://westwindworld.com/store/images/large/products/homeland_banner_LRG.jpg
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> > Most of the stuff hanging on my walls would sell as REAL(tm) art
> > instead of Dali prints.
>
> I vaguely recall you saying a while back that you had painted Sunflowers,
> the Mona Lisa, Sistine Chapel, and some other shit, so that you appreciate
> fine art comes as no great surprise. At least to me.
Can't be so for Sunflowers.
http://www.kenpapai.com/cycling/rbr/Tomk.JPG
I see two ears.
Ben
Ryan Cousineau
Donald Munro <fat-d...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dumbass: that's an Opera house.
William Asher
news:1a3ffa09-ec7b-4cc5...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
>
> http://westwindworld.com/store/images/large/products/homeland_banner_LR
> G.jpg
If that doesn't make you want to bomb some tin-pot tyrant in a dirt-poor
country, you aren't taking enough steroids.
>
> Can't be so for Sunflowers.
> http://www.kenpapai.com/cycling/rbr/Tomk.JPG
> I see two ears.
That's the "before" picture.
--
Bill Asher
William Asher
news:rcousine-E8FAEE.01140631122007@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]:
> In article <4778996a$0$25496$ec3e...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> Donald Munro <fat-d...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> joseph.sa...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > What's an art store? A place to buy dogs playing poker, or velvet
>> > Elvises?
>>
>> Its a place where you can buy a Pinarello.
>
> Dumbass: that's an Opera house.
>
I thought you could just download it.
--
Bill Asher
William Asher
130.133.1.4:
hi-res version:
--
Bill Asher
Donald Munro
>> > What's an art store? A place to buy dogs playing poker, or velvet
>> > Elvises?
Donald Munro wrote:
>> Its a place where you can buy a Pinarello.
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> Dumbass: that's an Opera house.
Pirandello perhaps. There are plenty of characters in search
of an author in rbr.
Donald Munro
>> Can't be so for Sunflowers.
>> http://www.kenpapai.com/cycling/rbr/Tomk.JPG I see two ears.
William Asher wrote:
> That's the "before" picture.
The "after" used to be at:
<http://www.monkeyhillcs.com/humour/ronde_champ/>
but it disappeared, just like "The Scream".
Bob Helland
says...
Good luck with that! Hope you find something within a good bike
commute.
Happy New Year!
-Bob
Steven L. Sheffield
Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any
> riding?
Nikon D80
K2 Comanche 5com skis
How are these bike-related? Well, the camera can be used to take wonderful
photos of bikes (and cyclists), and the skis will help keep me in shape
through the winter ... 24" of fresh pow-pow in Big Cottonwood yesterday!
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash
2bow...@gmail.com
> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any
> riding?
Couple rides up in Connecticut with my dad who is still racking up the
miles at 68 years of age.
Mark
Ryan Cousineau
William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
But is it art?
My theory is that collectively, the USN's carrier fleets comprise the
single grandest sculpture project ever conceived.
I'd have to figure out if they actually outweigh the pyramids, but given
that they could destroy the pyramids, I say the points go to the USN.
Scott
Snow, what snow???
I put some relatively low profile tires on my 'cross bike (just enough
tread not to kill myself in the slush/snow/ice, and not so much as to
make the clean pavement sections unbearable), bundled up, and have
been riding my 'cross bike for the last couple of weeks. The slower
speeds keep the wind chill to a manageable level and the rolling
resistance inherent in the 'cross knobbies is keeping the workout
worth doing.
William Asher
> In article <Xns9A17142B8...@130.133.1.4>,
> William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns9A1712F644BD5FkldeltaC@ 130.133.1.4:
>>
>> >
>> > http://tinyurl.com/yuxwpe
>>
>> hi-res version:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/gzual
>
> But is it art?
>
> My theory is that collectively, the USN's carrier fleets comprise the
> single grandest sculpture project ever conceived.
>
> I'd have to figure out if they actually outweigh the pyramids, but
> given that they could destroy the pyramids, I say the points go to the
> USN.
>
If you ever get among a group of naval officers and don't see a lot of
dolphins on the collars, do *not* say anything negative about those big
gray boats with funny-looking flat tops. It turns out that in
general (no pun intended) the officers without dolphins on their collars
like those big gray funny-looking boats. A lot.
--
Bill Asher
William Asher
sic transit gloria mundi
--
Bill Asher
Ryan Cousineau
William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey, I am an enthusiastic appreciator of art! Your note made me go and
look up some stuff on battleships, and while I knew carrier groups had
long since become the preeminent instrument of naval warfare, I didn't
realize that there hasn't been a battleship in commission since the
1990s, in any navy.
Of course, my real attraction to carriers is because they have such
interesting airplanes. I'm not sure how the dolphinless officers feel
about that part of the business.
b...@mambo.ucolick.org
> In article <Xns9A17142B859D4Fkldel...@130.133.1.4>,
> William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:Xns9A1712F644BD5FkldeltaC@
> > 130.133.1.4:
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/yuxwpe
>
> > hi-res version:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/gzual
>
> But is it art?
>
> My theory is that collectively, the USN's carrier fleets comprise the
> single grandest sculpture project ever conceived.
>
> I'd have to figure out if they actually outweigh the pyramids, but given
> that they could destroy the pyramids, I say the points go to the USN.
Well, if you think the narrative of art history
through the ages should be conducted as an episode
of BattleBots (and there are some good arguments
for this), then I think you have a winner.
Otherwise, it makes sense to argue that an aircraft
carrier is not art, but a photograph of an aircraft
carrier is art. (Or at least it is depending on your
taste.) One could make the same argument about
Half Dome versus a photograph of Half Dome, or a sunset,
or Lange's "Migrant Mother."
There's also a school of thought that if you see it in a
museum or buy it at an "art store" (in the manner of TK),
it's art. Whether an aircraft carrier is art then depends
on whether you think Northrop Grumman is also an art gallery.
Ben
RBR Chief Aesthetics Officer
Ryan Cousineau
<1926c3a0-a90e-4e7a...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
"b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
I'm aware of the line of thought that art is essentially useless crafts,
but I feel that limits art too much. Also, I daresay there a few French
philosophers who might argue that carriers are clearly art, since they
are only good for fighting wars which did not take place:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_art_and_craft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Baudrillard#On_the_Gulf_War
I am clearly, by my arguments, in the Paul Virilio war-as-art school of
thought:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Virilio#The_war_model
Which leads me to believe that it matters not where I bought my aircraft
carrier, or how I admired it. I have not seen the Mona Lisa in person,
and yet I believe it to be art.
Now great bicycles are not art because they aspire to something more
noble: craft. And I would rather have a well-crafted object at hand than
an artful object, because I feel utility imbues it with the sort of
potency art-fans ridiculously claim for their preferred objects (don't
get me started on "Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction") and
because I am an unfeeling robot monster.
Tom Kunich
news:79dfdcce-ac04-450e...@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> I put some relatively low profile tires on my 'cross bike (just enough
> tread not to kill myself in the slush/snow/ice, and not so much as to
> make the clean pavement sections unbearable), bundled up, and have
> been riding my 'cross bike for the last couple of weeks. The slower
> speeds keep the wind chill to a manageable level and the rolling
> resistance inherent in the 'cross knobbies is keeping the workout
> worth doing.
What tires did you use. I'm putting together a winter bike and want
something just short of knobbies that will still stop in slippery stuff.
Tom Kunich
news:b6163b38-b375-48ee...@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com...
Last year I rode from San Leandro to Santa Barbara with a guy 75 years old
and I had to work to keep up with him. At one point on of the guys kicked
the (loaded touring bikes mind you) pace up to 22 mph and we rode about 10
miles like that with the old guy in #2 spot.
Keep cycling forever!
Bill C
> <2bowl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Last time we were living in Germany a lot of our rides were uphill out
of Kaiserslautern out through small villages. A lot of these had
10-12% grades for a klick or two. We used to run into one old woman
pretty regularly, had to be 65+ on an old utility bike w/Baskets she
had been riding since she was a girl, pretty much. Same bike, same
hill, couple of trips every day for decades. It was no big deal for
her. No riding clothes, pants or dresses, sweaters, whatever, and
she'd just cruise up the hill like it was flat. She was really
amazing, but not all that unusual out in the smaller villages.
Guaranteed to keep you humble ;-)
Bill C
Michael Baldwin
>three cheese potatoes, garden fresh green beans, pumpkin pie, and
>about a bucket of that chex mix stuff, plus all
>the decadent goodies,
..and I just finished the last piece of Chocolate Silk Pie...
Best Regards - Mike Baldwin
Fred Fredburger
> "Fred Fredburger" <FredFre...@WhereAreTheNachos.huh> wrote in
> message news:0aCdnezyloqnIura...@comcast.com...
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in
>>> any riding?
>>
>> for pictures, prints, art to put on the walls. I knew it would please
>> my wife to shop for such things. One of the things she bought looks like:
>>
>> http://www.gingerbreadshows.com/greaterartgallery/gag3.jpg
>
> I'm pretty touchy about stuff that I hang on my walls. I actually have
> taste in art where most others think that you put pictures on the wall
> to cover cracks or to make the wall look more balanced. I remember being
> in an art store one time when a woman came in and asked for something
> "large and green".
>
> Most of the stuff hanging on my walls would sell as REAL(tm) art instead
> of Dali prints.
>
My wife has a Masters in Fine Arts, but I'm sure you know LOTS more
about it than she does.
Your disapproval generally validates the value/truth of the thing you're
disapproving of. So I appreciate your opinion for that reason.
Ryan Cousineau
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
How slippery? The choices for "just short of knobbies" are stuff like
inverted-tread hybrid tires (I have some Avocet 28 mm like that) or
slightly knobbier fare. I use WTB All Terrainasaurus "hybrid" tires,
which have closely spaced knobs that are quite large. The effect is to
have a nearly continuous tread surface, and reasonable grip in all
conditions, though it concedes mud-biting capability to real CX tires.
They're 32 mm tires, and roll acceptably well on roads, which is to say
that they're noticeably worse than any slick.
2bow...@gmail.com
> <2bowl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
It's always fun to see these guys out there going strong. My dad has
kept his group ride going for almost 40 years now. Every Sunday they
do 30-35 miles to breakfast, eat some pancakes and come back. Only
thing that has changed is the group doesn't ride in snow anymore and
if it's cold (25 deg F or below) then they wait for it to warm up a
bit.
There is one fellow in the group that is now in his mid-70s and he is
unreal. Exactly like the fellow Tom described. The older gents can't
accelerate and may lag a bit on the longer hills but give them a good
wheel and a constant pace and they go down the road just fine.
Hope I'm able to ride like that in 30 years.
BTW, Dad had 6200 miles on the bike this year and another 500
running.
Mark
Scott
> "Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Tom,
Currently I'm using Bontrager Jones CX tires in 700x32. They're not
terribly aggressive in their tread pattern, but mostly I'm using them
because I had two pair hanging around that came off 'cross bikes that
I'd bought used over the past couple of years. For my first ride in
the snow, before I took the time to change tires, I used my Schwalbe
Racing Ralphs that I'd raced on for most of the season. Much better
tire for the nasty stuff, but too knarly for the pavement and too
expensive to wear out riding around on the roads.
I don't know if they'd work worth a damn in snow/ice, but Performance
markets a 700x35 kevlar belted tire that I've used on dirt roads where
they worked really well. See: http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=16500&subcategory_ID=5420
Scott
Tom Kunich
>
> I don't know if they'd work worth a damn in snow/ice, but Performance
> markets a 700x35 kevlar belted tire that I've used on dirt roads where
> they worked really well. See:
> http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=16500&subcategory_ID=5420
We don't have snow and generally little ice in the San Francisco bay area,
but we have a lot of wet nasty roads, mud, and runoff.
I was looking ALL over for a good frame for a winter bike and happened to
look up on the garage ceiling and lo and behold there was an Italian Bianchi
25" frame! All this time I had one sitting right in front of me.
Well, looking around I discovered my spare cyclocross wheels. They have on
some green Vitoria Tigre Cross tires which work pretty well anywhere. And an
8-speed 12-28 Ultegra cassette that fit it.
Hmm, that old Campy seatpost fits in though the saddle will be about 1/2"
lower than my street bikes. That's OK since most of them feel a tiny bit
high anyway. And you have a touch more control if you're a little lower in
the saddle.
I have a lot of saddles so that's not a problem. Hey! There's a Nashbar
Compact crank that I picked up for a song and an Italian bottom bracket in
Isis drive. I don't know where the heck I got some of those "medium reach"
Ultegra brakes (probably from Rivendell knowing me) but they fit perfectly.
I wonder, there's too many scratches on the red paint to take a steel bike
out in the winter so I'll have to paint it. Do I paint it Celeste green or
that light blue that you see on some Bianchis which is in fact the true
color of Celeste (Sky Blue)?
Now, what the heck will shift an Ultegra 8-speed cassette? I switched a
couple of bikes over to barend shifters to keep in practice for the
cyclocross bike. And now I find that I pretty much prefer them to the 5
times more expensive STI Shifters which are only slightly more handy. So I
could put an older Ultegra derailleur and barends on it. Hmm, must make up
mind.....
Check for the next installment of "Confusion Alley".
Tom Kunich
news:g9udnTTNzYt6QeTa...@comcast.com...
I find it interesting that you took that as some sort of criticism of that
particular picture instead of a comment in general. But then that is the
tenor of most of the postings here since those such as HC, Donald Munro,
William Asher, Amit and Henry so willingly followed the lead of the
Halfbright and Palajerk to turn this into a useless group.
I suggest you not take insult unless it is a lot plainer than what I wrote.
And by the way, perhaps you could explain to me how a Masters in Fine Art
could teach you art appreciation any better than simple observation? Do you
suppose taking tests on someone else's opinions somehow makes you a better
judge of art?
Ryan Cousineau
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Scott" <hendric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5095958e-9864-4f30...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > I don't know if they'd work worth a damn in snow/ice, but Performance
> > markets a 700x35 kevlar belted tire that I've used on dirt roads where
> > they worked really well. See:
> > http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=16500&subcategory_ID=542
> > 0
>
> We don't have snow and generally little ice in the San Francisco bay area,
> but we have a lot of wet nasty roads, mud, and runoff.
> Well, looking around I discovered my spare cyclocross wheels. They have on
> some green Vitoria Tigre Cross tires which work pretty well anywhere. And an
> 8-speed 12-28 Ultegra cassette that fit it.
Sounds like some lovely options, but my general feeling is that in wet
conditions, CX tires are worse than road tires. The mud and runoff would
have to verge on epic before a few mucky traversals on city streets can
justify running CX tires.
You may well feel otherwise. The only time I've deliberately chosen CX
tires for a road ride was the day heavy snowfall was predicted. The
fluffy stuff came down about a foot deep (and falling) by the time I was
returning home from work, and in the deep drifts, slush accumulation,
and universally snow-covered roads, the hybrid-type knobby tires (sort
of a passive-aggressive CX tread; close-spaced knobs) I used worked very
well.
On anything shy of serious mud, I'm using road tires.
ST
Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any
> riding?
>
I got a .45 Semi-Auto so my bike stuff stays mine!
ST
7373e59b-e1a0-47d9...@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "Kurgan
Gringioni" <kgrin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 29, 4:51 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any
>> riding?
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> Only Freds get/want cycling stuff for Christmas.
>
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> K. Gringioni.
You musta asked Santa to get barebacked...........
ST
MPG.21e1654e4...@news.giganews.com, "Bob Helland"
<bob.remov...@att.net> wrote:
> In article <13ndqrv...@corp.supernews.com>, cyclintom@yahoo.
> says...
>> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any
>> riding?
>
> Couple really cool cycling calendars.
>
> Not much riding. Had a bit of a virus for a couple weeks. Throat,
> head, sinus, etc.
>
> *NO* energy at all.
>
>
> How 'bout you?
>
>
> -Bob
>
>
I got one of these calendars!
http://operationcalendar.org/girls.html
Actually....... Miss October is one of our customers!!
Howard Kveck
Ryan Cousineau <rcou...@sfu.ca> wrote:
Yep, that is the best choice. More actual tire on the ground than knobbies is
always going to be a better option in the conditions we get here in the SF Bay Area.
--
tanx,
Howard
Now it's raining pitchforks and women,
But I've already got a pitchfork...
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
Donald Munro
>> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any
>> riding?
ST wrote:
> I got a .45 Semi-Auto so my bike stuff stays mine!
Only one ? You need two to make it onto the rbr hitlist.
Scott
> In article <13nli4c2ibsn...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> >news:5095958e-9864-4f30...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > I don't know if they'd work worth a damn in snow/ice, but Performance
> > > markets a 700x35 kevlar belted tire that I've used on dirt roads where
> > > they worked really well. See:
> > > 0
>
> > We don't have snow and generally little ice in the San Francisco bay area,
> > but we have a lot of wet nasty roads, mud, and runoff.
> > Well, looking around I discovered my spare cyclocross wheels. They have on
> > some green Vitoria Tigre Cross tires which work pretty well anywhere. And an
> > 8-speed 12-28 Ultegra cassette that fit it.
>
> Sounds like some lovely options, but my general feeling is that in wet
> conditions, CX tires are worse than road tires. The mud and runoff would
> have to verge on epic before a few mucky traversals on city streets can
> justify running CX tires.
>
> You may well feel otherwise. The only time I've deliberately chosen CX
> tires for a road ride was the day heavy snowfall was predicted. The
> fluffy stuff came down about a foot deep (and falling) by the time I was
> returning home from work, and in the deep drifts, slush accumulation,
> and universally snow-covered roads, the hybrid-type knobby tires (sort
> of a passive-aggressive CX tread; close-spaced knobs) I used worked very
> well.
>
> On anything shy of serious mud, I'm using road tires.
>
> --
> "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
> Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
You know, I've been wondering if I might be better of w/ wide road
tires instead of the low profile knobby cx tires I've been running,
but... over the past few weeks there has been a moderate amount of
slush or icy spots, w/ some new snow, all along the paths where I'm
doing most of my riding. Some of the side streets I use to get to/
from the paths have a LOT of packed snow/ice. Major streets are
dry.
Anyway, just the other day I'm toodling along one particular stretch
of bike path that hasn't seen much sunshine and I came up on some
knucklehead in jeans w/ his pants legs rolled up riding a fixie w/
what appeared to be typical road tires. I motored right past him
while he slithered and slipped all over the place at a snail's pace.
Yeah, rolling resistance from the knobbies sucks (except it IS adding
to the workout). I'm not going fast enough for the knobbies to cause
problems w/ traction on wet but otherwise clear roads, so the extra
traction afforded in those sections where road tires won't cut it is
very welcome.
Ryan Cousineau
<1246ced1-0589-4994...@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Scott <hendric...@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you're actually riding on snow, knobbies are an advantage. In
Vancouver (or San Francisco) the usual experience is of cleared but
possibly icy streets. Tom was talking about scenarios involving mud or
accumulated dirt/grit, which are iffy but might lean towards knobbies.
My feeling is that unless a substantial portion of your route was
actually a dirt road, you'd be better off with slicks and riding around
the sand accumulations.
My bete noire surface experience is black ice, which would certainly not
be any better on knobs. What I don't know is if ice studs actually
provide any advantage on the typical thin skins of black ice: they do
their magic on thick ice or hard snow by substantially biting in, but I
doubt that works when the ice is small fractions of a millimetre thick.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcou...@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
amit....@gmail.com
>
> > Your disapproval generally validates the value/truth of the thing you're
> > disapproving of. So I appreciate your opinion for that reason.
>
> I find it interesting that you took that as some sort of criticism of that
> particular picture instead of a comment in general.
dumbass,
you have no idea what makes you a dick.
where i worked they had absolutely terrible coffee before seminars,
but people drank it anyway. one time i asked another guy if he wanted
a cup while i was getting one and he says, "oh, i only drink
capuccino" which made me want to punch him in the face.
he could've said "No" or "No, the coffee here is terrible" or even "I
can't believe you would drink that shit!" all of which would make him
seem like less of a dick.
you did a capuccino. instead of commenting on the art itself you had
to make a little statement about yourself.
Howard Kveck
"amit....@gmail.com" <amit....@gmail.com> wrote:
Isn't that what he always does? it's as predictable as rain on a summer afternoon
in Florida.
Tom Kunich
news:f3b648f0-b341-403f...@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>
> you have no idea what makes you a dick.
>
> to make a little statement about yourself.
I suggest you read some of your own entries. One out of a hundred of your
postings isn't about you.
ST
477b0fc3$0$25508$ec3e...@news.usenetmonster.com, "Donald Munro"
<fat-d...@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is equal to at least 5!!