joseph.santanie...@gmail.com wrote: >> > What's an art store? A place to buy dogs playing poker, or velvet >> > Elvises? Donald Munro wrote: >> Its a place where you can buy a Pinarello. Ryan Cousineau wrote: > Dumbass: that's an Opera house.
Pirandello perhaps. There are plenty of characters in search of an author in rbr.
> "Bob Helland" <bob.remove.hell...@att.net> wrote in message > news:MPG.21e1654e4c835874989681@news.giganews.com... > > In article <13ndqrv2us2k...@corp.supernews.com>, cyclintom@yahoo. > > says... > >> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any > >> riding?
> > Couple really cool cycling calendars.
> Yeah, that's what I got as well. But then it would be pretty hard for anyone > to get me anything I don't already have.
> It was drizzling on Saturday so I pulled out the touring bike since it has > fenders. I think I'm going to have to find an old steel frame and build a > REAL(tm) winter bike - one with cyclocross knobbies, fenders, long wheelbase > etc.
> Tomorrow is my last day of work at this job so I'll be able to ride mornings > while looking for work afternoons.
Good luck with that! Hope you find something within a good bike commute.
On 12/29/2007 05:51 PM, in article 13ndqrv2us2k...@corp.supernews.com, "Tom
Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote: > What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any > riding?
Nikon D80 K2 Comanche 5com skis
How are these bike-related? Well, the camera can be used to take wonderful photos of bikes (and cyclists), and the skis will help keep me in shape through the winter ... 24" of fresh pow-pow in Big Cottonwood yesterday!
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My theory is that collectively, the USN's carrier fleets comprise the single grandest sculpture project ever conceived.
I'd have to figure out if they actually outweigh the pyramids, but given that they could destroy the pyramids, I say the points go to the USN.
-- Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/ "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook. Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
> > > What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any > > > riding?
> > Not much riding of late, aside from my presently-short commutes.
> Not much riding here either with snow on the road for the past week. > I've spent the holiday weekend hacking my Apple TV. It's now running > an Apache web server that hosts a web page that emulates the ATV > remote. I can now change the playlist from any room in the house as > long as I have a hand held computer that costs more than the ATV > handy. This is a mostly useless but very rewarding project, my > Chrismas present to myself. The best actual present I got was a nice > stainless steel salad spinner which does a great job seperating the > chaff from freshly roasted coffee. I don't need any bike stuff.
> Bret
Snow, what snow???
I put some relatively low profile tires on my 'cross bike (just enough tread not to kill myself in the slush/snow/ice, and not so much as to make the clean pavement sections unbearable), bundled up, and have been riding my 'cross bike for the last couple of weeks. The slower speeds keep the wind chill to a manageable level and the rolling resistance inherent in the 'cross knobbies is keeping the workout worth doing.
> My theory is that collectively, the USN's carrier fleets comprise the > single grandest sculpture project ever conceived.
> I'd have to figure out if they actually outweigh the pyramids, but > given that they could destroy the pyramids, I say the points go to the > USN.
If you ever get among a group of naval officers and don't see a lot of dolphins on the collars, do *not* say anything negative about those big gray boats with funny-looking flat tops. It turns out that in general (no pun intended) the officers without dolphins on their collars like those big gray funny-looking boats. A lot.
> > My theory is that collectively, the USN's carrier fleets comprise the > > single grandest sculpture project ever conceived.
> > I'd have to figure out if they actually outweigh the pyramids, but > > given that they could destroy the pyramids, I say the points go to the > > USN.
> If you ever get among a group of naval officers and don't see a lot of > dolphins on the collars, do *not* say anything negative about those big > gray boats with funny-looking flat tops. It turns out that in > general (no pun intended) the officers without dolphins on their collars > like those big gray funny-looking boats. A lot.
Hey, I am an enthusiastic appreciator of art! Your note made me go and look up some stuff on battleships, and while I knew carrier groups had long since become the preeminent instrument of naval warfare, I didn't realize that there hasn't been a battleship in commission since the 1990s, in any navy.
Of course, my real attraction to carriers is because they have such interesting airplanes. I'm not sure how the dolphinless officers feel about that part of the business.
-- Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/ "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook. Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
> My theory is that collectively, the USN's carrier fleets comprise the > single grandest sculpture project ever conceived.
> I'd have to figure out if they actually outweigh the pyramids, but given > that they could destroy the pyramids, I say the points go to the USN.
Well, if you think the narrative of art history through the ages should be conducted as an episode of BattleBots (and there are some good arguments for this), then I think you have a winner.
Otherwise, it makes sense to argue that an aircraft carrier is not art, but a photograph of an aircraft carrier is art. (Or at least it is depending on your taste.) One could make the same argument about Half Dome versus a photograph of Half Dome, or a sunset, or Lange's "Migrant Mother."
There's also a school of thought that if you see it in a museum or buy it at an "art store" (in the manner of TK), it's art. Whether an aircraft carrier is art then depends on whether you think Northrop Grumman is also an art gallery.
"b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote: > On Dec 31, 10:35 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote: > > In article <Xns9A17142B859D4Fkldel...@130.133.1.4>, > > William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:Xns9A1712F644BD5FkldeltaC@ > > > 130.133.1.4:
> > My theory is that collectively, the USN's carrier fleets comprise the > > single grandest sculpture project ever conceived.
> > I'd have to figure out if they actually outweigh the pyramids, but given > > that they could destroy the pyramids, I say the points go to the USN.
> Well, if you think the narrative of art history > through the ages should be conducted as an episode > of BattleBots (and there are some good arguments > for this), then I think you have a winner.
> Otherwise, it makes sense to argue that an aircraft > carrier is not art, but a photograph of an aircraft > carrier is art. (Or at least it is depending on your > taste.) One could make the same argument about > Half Dome versus a photograph of Half Dome, or a sunset, > or Lange's "Migrant Mother." > There's also a school of thought that if you see it in a > museum or buy it at an "art store" (in the manner of TK), > it's art. Whether an aircraft carrier is art then depends > on whether you think Northrop Grumman is also an art gallery.
I'm aware of the line of thought that art is essentially useless crafts, but I feel that limits art too much. Also, I daresay there a few French philosophers who might argue that carriers are clearly art, since they are only good for fighting wars which did not take place:
Which leads me to believe that it matters not where I bought my aircraft carrier, or how I admired it. I have not seen the Mona Lisa in person, and yet I believe it to be art.
Now great bicycles are not art because they aspire to something more noble: craft. And I would rather have a well-crafted object at hand than an artful object, because I feel utility imbues it with the sort of potency art-fans ridiculously claim for their preferred objects (don't get me started on "Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction") and because I am an unfeeling robot monster.
-- Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/ "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook. Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
> I put some relatively low profile tires on my 'cross bike (just enough > tread not to kill myself in the slush/snow/ice, and not so much as to > make the clean pavement sections unbearable), bundled up, and have > been riding my 'cross bike for the last couple of weeks. The slower > speeds keep the wind chill to a manageable level and the rolling > resistance inherent in the 'cross knobbies is keeping the workout > worth doing.
What tires did you use. I'm putting together a winter bike and want something just short of knobbies that will still stop in slippery stuff.
> > What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any > > riding?
> Couple rides up in Connecticut with my dad who is still racking up the > miles at 68 years of age.
Last year I rode from San Leandro to Santa Barbara with a guy 75 years old and I had to work to keep up with him. At one point on of the guys kicked the (loaded touring bikes mind you) pace up to 22 mph and we rode about 10 miles like that with the old guy in #2 spot.
> > > What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any > > > riding?
> > Couple rides up in Connecticut with my dad who is still racking up the > > miles at 68 years of age.
> Last year I rode from San Leandro to Santa Barbara with a guy 75 years old > and I had to work to keep up with him. At one point on of the guys kicked > the (loaded touring bikes mind you) pace up to 22 mph and we rode about 10 > miles like that with the old guy in #2 spot.
> Keep cycling forever!
Last time we were living in Germany a lot of our rides were uphill out of Kaiserslautern out through small villages. A lot of these had 10-12% grades for a klick or two. We used to run into one old woman pretty regularly, had to be 65+ on an old utility bike w/Baskets she had been riding since she was a girl, pretty much. Same bike, same hill, couple of trips every day for decades. It was no big deal for her. No riding clothes, pants or dresses, sweaters, whatever, and she'd just cruise up the hill like it was flat. She was really amazing, but not all that unusual out in the smaller villages. Guaranteed to keep you humble ;-) Bill C
>lets see Christmas Day, ah yes. Slow roasted prime rib, >three cheese potatoes, garden fresh green beans, pumpkin pie, and >about a bucket of that chex mix stuff, plus all >the decadent goodies,
..and I just finished the last piece of Chocolate Silk Pie...
Tom Kunich wrote: > "Fred Fredburger" <FredFredbur...@WhereAreTheNachos.huh> wrote in > message news:0aCdnezyloqnIuranZ2dnUVZ_s2tnZ2d@comcast.com... >> Tom Kunich wrote: >>> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in >>> any riding?
>> I asked for no bicycle stuff, because I've already got tons. I asked >> for pictures, prints, art to put on the walls. I knew it would please >> my wife to shop for such things. One of the things she bought looks like:
> I'm pretty touchy about stuff that I hang on my walls. I actually have > taste in art where most others think that you put pictures on the wall > to cover cracks or to make the wall look more balanced. I remember being > in an art store one time when a woman came in and asked for something > "large and green".
> Most of the stuff hanging on my walls would sell as REAL(tm) art instead > of Dali prints.
My wife has a Masters in Fine Arts, but I'm sure you know LOTS more about it than she does.
Your disapproval generally validates the value/truth of the thing you're disapproving of. So I appreciate your opinion for that reason.
> > I put some relatively low profile tires on my 'cross bike (just enough > > tread not to kill myself in the slush/snow/ice, and not so much as to > > make the clean pavement sections unbearable), bundled up, and have > > been riding my 'cross bike for the last couple of weeks. The slower > > speeds keep the wind chill to a manageable level and the rolling > > resistance inherent in the 'cross knobbies is keeping the workout > > worth doing.
> What tires did you use. I'm putting together a winter bike and want > something just short of knobbies that will still stop in slippery stuff.
How slippery? The choices for "just short of knobbies" are stuff like inverted-tread hybrid tires (I have some Avocet 28 mm like that) or slightly knobbier fare. I use WTB All Terrainasaurus "hybrid" tires, which have closely spaced knobs that are quite large. The effect is to have a nearly continuous tread surface, and reasonable grip in all conditions, though it concedes mud-biting capability to real CX tires.
They're 32 mm tires, and roll acceptably well on roads, which is to say that they're noticeably worse than any slick.
-- Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/ "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook. Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
> > > What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in any > > > riding?
> > Couple rides up in Connecticut with my dad who is still racking up the > > miles at 68 years of age.
> Last year I rode from San Leandro to Santa Barbara with a guy 75 years old > and I had to work to keep up with him. At one point on of the guys kicked > the (loaded touring bikes mind you) pace up to 22 mph and we rode about 10 > miles like that with the old guy in #2 spot.
> Keep cycling forever!
It's always fun to see these guys out there going strong. My dad has kept his group ride going for almost 40 years now. Every Sunday they do 30-35 miles to breakfast, eat some pancakes and come back. Only thing that has changed is the group doesn't ride in snow anymore and if it's cold (25 deg F or below) then they wait for it to warm up a bit.
There is one fellow in the group that is now in his mid-70s and he is unreal. Exactly like the fellow Tom described. The older gents can't accelerate and may lag a bit on the longer hills but give them a good wheel and a constant pace and they go down the road just fine.
Hope I'm able to ride like that in 30 years.
BTW, Dad had 6200 miles on the bike this year and another 500 running.
> > I put some relatively low profile tires on my 'cross bike (just enough > > tread not to kill myself in the slush/snow/ice, and not so much as to > > make the clean pavement sections unbearable), bundled up, and have > > been riding my 'cross bike for the last couple of weeks. The slower > > speeds keep the wind chill to a manageable level and the rolling > > resistance inherent in the 'cross knobbies is keeping the workout > > worth doing.
> What tires did you use. I'm putting together a winter bike and want > something just short of knobbies that will still stop in slippery stuff.
Tom,
Currently I'm using Bontrager Jones CX tires in 700x32. They're not terribly aggressive in their tread pattern, but mostly I'm using them because I had two pair hanging around that came off 'cross bikes that I'd bought used over the past couple of years. For my first ride in the snow, before I took the time to change tires, I used my Schwalbe Racing Ralphs that I'd raced on for most of the season. Much better tire for the nasty stuff, but too knarly for the pavement and too expensive to wear out riding around on the roads.
We don't have snow and generally little ice in the San Francisco bay area, but we have a lot of wet nasty roads, mud, and runoff.
I was looking ALL over for a good frame for a winter bike and happened to look up on the garage ceiling and lo and behold there was an Italian Bianchi 25" frame! All this time I had one sitting right in front of me.
Well, looking around I discovered my spare cyclocross wheels. They have on some green Vitoria Tigre Cross tires which work pretty well anywhere. And an 8-speed 12-28 Ultegra cassette that fit it.
Hmm, that old Campy seatpost fits in though the saddle will be about 1/2" lower than my street bikes. That's OK since most of them feel a tiny bit high anyway. And you have a touch more control if you're a little lower in the saddle.
I have a lot of saddles so that's not a problem. Hey! There's a Nashbar Compact crank that I picked up for a song and an Italian bottom bracket in Isis drive. I don't know where the heck I got some of those "medium reach" Ultegra brakes (probably from Rivendell knowing me) but they fit perfectly.
I wonder, there's too many scratches on the red paint to take a steel bike out in the winter so I'll have to paint it. Do I paint it Celeste green or that light blue that you see on some Bianchis which is in fact the true color of Celeste (Sky Blue)?
Now, what the heck will shift an Ultegra 8-speed cassette? I switched a couple of bikes over to barend shifters to keep in practice for the cyclocross bike. And now I find that I pretty much prefer them to the 5 times more expensive STI Shifters which are only slightly more handy. So I could put an older Ultegra derailleur and barends on it. Hmm, must make up mind.....
Check for the next installment of "Confusion Alley".
> Tom Kunich wrote: >> "Fred Fredburger" <FredFredbur...@WhereAreTheNachos.huh> wrote in message >> news:0aCdnezyloqnIuranZ2dnUVZ_s2tnZ2d@comcast.com... >>> Tom Kunich wrote: >>>> What cycling related stuff did you get for Christmas? Did you get in >>>> any riding?
>>> I asked for no bicycle stuff, because I've already got tons. I asked for >>> pictures, prints, art to put on the walls. I knew it would please my >>> wife to shop for such things. One of the things she bought looks like:
>> I'm pretty touchy about stuff that I hang on my walls. I actually have >> taste in art where most others think that you put pictures on the wall to >> cover cracks or to make the wall look more balanced. I remember being in >> an art store one time when a woman came in and asked for something "large >> and green".
>> Most of the stuff hanging on my walls would sell as REAL(tm) art instead >> of Dali prints.
> My wife has a Masters in Fine Arts, but I'm sure you know LOTS more about > it than she does.
> Your disapproval generally validates the value/truth of the thing you're > disapproving of. So I appreciate your opinion for that reason.
I find it interesting that you took that as some sort of criticism of that particular picture instead of a comment in general. But then that is the tenor of most of the postings here since those such as HC, Donald Munro, William Asher, Amit and Henry so willingly followed the lead of the Halfbright and Palajerk to turn this into a useless group.
I suggest you not take insult unless it is a lot plainer than what I wrote.
And by the way, perhaps you could explain to me how a Masters in Fine Art could teach you art appreciation any better than simple observation? Do you suppose taking tests on someone else's opinions somehow makes you a better judge of art?
> We don't have snow and generally little ice in the San Francisco bay area, > but we have a lot of wet nasty roads, mud, and runoff. > Well, looking around I discovered my spare cyclocross wheels. They have on > some green Vitoria Tigre Cross tires which work pretty well anywhere. And an > 8-speed 12-28 Ultegra cassette that fit it.
Sounds like some lovely options, but my general feeling is that in wet conditions, CX tires are worse than road tires. The mud and runoff would have to verge on epic before a few mucky traversals on city streets can justify running CX tires.
You may well feel otherwise. The only time I've deliberately chosen CX tires for a road ride was the day heavy snowfall was predicted. The fluffy stuff came down about a foot deep (and falling) by the time I was returning home from work, and in the deep drifts, slush accumulation, and universally snow-covered roads, the hybrid-type knobby tires (sort of a passive-aggressive CX tread; close-spaced knobs) I used worked very well.
On anything shy of serious mud, I'm using road tires.
-- Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/ "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook. Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
