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Scott  
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 More options Jul 22 2008, 11:55 am
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:55:27 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 22 2008 11:55 am
Subject: I'll give you a topic, discuss amongst yourselves
Can VandeVelde TT his way back onto the podium? (assuming he doesn't
lose big chunks of time tomorrow, that is)

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critposer  
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 More options Jul 22 2008, 12:09 pm
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From: critposer <critpo...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:09:51 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 22 2008 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: I'll give you a topic, discuss amongst yourselves
Topic closed, thanks for playing.

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Davey Crockett  
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 More options Jul 22 2008, 12:10 pm
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From: Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:10:02 +0200
Local: Tues, Jul 22 2008 12:10 pm
Subject: Re: I'll give you a topic, discuss amongst yourselves
Scott a écrit profondement:

| Can VandeVelde TT his way back onto the podium? (assuming he doesn't
| lose big chunks of time tomorrow, that is)
|

Anything is possible after that ridiculous performance today

--
Davey Crockett


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Dumbass  
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 More options Jul 22 2008, 12:11 pm
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From: Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:11:17 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 22 2008 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: I'll give you a topic, discuss amongst yourselves
On Jul 22, 11:55 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Can VandeVelde TT his way back onto the podium? (assuming he doesn't
> lose big chunks of time tomorrow, that is)

14:5 odds, that's a probability of 5/19 of making the podium.

Here's a great odds page:

http://www.oddschecker.com/other-sports/cycling/tour-de-france/top-3-...


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Donald Munro  
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 More options Jul 22 2008, 12:12 pm
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From: Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:12:34 +0200
Local: Tues, Jul 22 2008 12:12 pm
Subject: Re: I'll give you a topic, discuss amongst yourselves

Scott  wrote:
>> Can VandeVelde TT his way back onto the podium? (assuming he doesn't
>> lose big chunks of time tomorrow, that is)

> 14:5 odds, that's a probability of 5/19 of making the podium.

Nonsense, its 50/50.

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already5cho...@yahoo.com  
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 More options Jul 22 2008, 12:28 pm
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From: already5cho...@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:28:20 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 22 2008 12:28 pm
Subject: Re: I'll give you a topic, discuss amongst yourselves
On Jul 22, 6:55 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Can VandeVelde TT his way back onto the podium? (assuming he doesn't
> lose big chunks of time tomorrow, that is)

Even if Vande Velde manages to bypass Schleck, Kohl, and Sastre, which
doesn't sound likely, he will still end up fourth because Kirchen is
going to make more then 8 sec on him. For example, last year Kirchen
beat him by 58 seconds.

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Dumbass  
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 More options Jul 22 2008, 12:47 pm
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From: Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:47:34 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 22 2008 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: I'll give you a topic, discuss amongst yourselves
On Jul 22, 12:12 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Scott  wrote:
> >> Can VandeVelde TT his way back onto the podium? (assuming he doesn't
> >> lose big chunks of time tomorrow, that is)

> > 14:5 odds, that's a probability of 5/19 of making the podium.

> Nonsense, its 50/50.

He did not have 50:50 odds in the betting markets before today's semi-
bonk and crash.

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Tom Kunich  
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 More options Jul 22 2008, 4:48 pm
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From: "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:48:25 -0700
Local: Tues, Jul 22 2008 4:48 pm
Subject: Re: I'll give you a topic, discuss amongst yourselves
"Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:e9f98777-bc23-4cb7-bc86-11077397210a@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> Can VandeVelde TT his way back onto the podium? (assuming he doesn't
> lose big chunks of time tomorrow, that is)

It appears that Christian was only some 30 seconds behind the climbers.
Normally he and Menchov should have been able to close that right down on
the descent. But Vandevelt crashed losing most of that time.

There's a question about whether or not he can gain it back tomorrow as
well. He has been climbing very well and l'Alpe d'Huez isn't as steep nor as
long as this climb.

I am pulling for Christian big time.


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Scott  
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 More options Jul 22 2008, 5:08 pm
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From: Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:08:54 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 22 2008 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: I'll give you a topic, discuss amongst yourselves
On Jul 22, 2:48 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

I haven't seen the coverage, but when I saw the preliminary results I
assumed he'd blown, losing all that time.  Hopefully he won't lose any
more time tomorrow, and maybe if he's lucky he'll gain some back.  Who
knows???

I, too, am pulling for him.


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Keith  
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 More options Jul 22 2008, 7:19 pm
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From: Keith <nos...@nospam.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:19:26 +0200
Local: Tues, Jul 22 2008 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: I'll give you a topic, discuss amongst yourselves
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:48:25 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.

com> wrote:
>"Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:e9f98777-bc23-4cb7-bc86-11077397210a@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> Can VandeVelde TT his way back onto the podium? (assuming he doesn't
>> lose big chunks of time tomorrow, that is)

>It appears that Christian was only some 30 seconds behind the climbers.
>Normally he and Menchov should have been able to close that right down on
>the descent. But Vandevelt crashed losing most of that time.

>There's a question about whether or not he can gain it back tomorrow as
>well. He has been climbing very well and l'Alpe d'Huez isn't as steep nor as
>long as this climb.

Actually it's shorter but steeper, for a non climber that's worse.


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Dumbass  
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 More options Jul 22 2008, 7:33 pm
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From: Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:33:51 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 22 2008 7:33 pm
Subject: Re: I'll give you a topic, discuss amongst yourselves
On Jul 22, 11:55 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Can VandeVelde TT his way back onto the podium? (assuming he doesn't
> lose big chunks of time tomorrow, that is)

VandeVelde has been bet down to 9:1, a 10% chance of podium.

http://www.oddschecker.com/other-sports/cycling/tour-de-france/top-3-...


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Kurgan Gringioni  
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 More options Jul 22 2008, 11:16 pm
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From: Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:16:53 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 22 2008 11:16 pm
Subject: Re: I'll give you a topic, discuss amongst yourselves
On Jul 22, 1:48 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

Dumbass -

He and Menchov both dorked it today.

After major gaffes like they've made, neither deserves to win, and
they won't.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.


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