Kenny Williams confesses to doping.
ronaldo_jeremiah
-rj
Susan Walker
> Results in header, per rbr protocol.
http://www.cycle-smart.com/blog/2009/11/05/that-joke-isnt-funny-anymore
I don't get it. Why would anyone want to test masters racers for doping?
Non-Elite racers should a) not be dope-tested and b) not get any prize
money or salary.
Anton Berlin
You killed Kenny you bastards!
Anton Berlin
She hasn't updated Kenny's wiki page yet.
Ryan Cousineau
Susan Walker <myful...@xs4all.nl.invalid> wrote:
There's nothing per-se illegitimate about the idea of "elite"
age-grouped competition. There's even a Master's Worlds jersey, right?
However, the whole thing is a bit of a circus sideshow, and not very
popular. It's kind of like a basketball league with a height limit.
http://www.apbr.org/wbl88-92.html
Vancouver Nighthawks, yeah!
I don't have strong feelings about Elite Master non-fatty racing, and
whatever prizing or whatnot the race promoters and sponsors feel
justified in offering. Heck, I have sponsor logos all over my club kit,
and I seriously suck at racing. Even when I was winning low-cat races, I
didn't think the prizes mattered much (though swag prizes are as much
loved by low-cats as they are ignored by elites).
I doubt the prize money at Masters Track Nats is very much. The usual
joke is that the prize money wouldn't cover the cost of dope. But to
make a long story short, Kenny knows the rules and jeopardized his
participation in a beloved hobby. Dumb Kenny.
Also, insert joke about gold medals in the Special Olympics here, unless
Cipo is racing in the 40+ category now.
Which would be awesome,
--
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"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
Bob Schwartz
DHEA, jeez, that's right up there with...
http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/resources/press_releases/pressrelease_12_19_2001.pdf
Diet pills.
Twice in the same family for over the counters. Hard
to believe.
Bob Schwartz
Susan Walker
> Susan Walker wrote:
>> http://www.cycle-smart.com/blog/2009/11/05/that-joke-isnt-funny-anymore
>
> DHEA, jeez, that's right up there with...
>
> http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/resources/press_releases/pressrelease_12_19_2001.pdf
> Diet pills.
>
> Twice in the same family for over the counters. Hard
> to believe.
That his wife? Really?! Ha ha ha!
Kevin Metcalfe
My understanding is that he set a world record and had to be tested if
he wanted the record to be official.
Oops...
Kevin
semi-ambivalent
wrote:
> Susan Walker wrote:
> > ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
> >> Results in header, per rbr protocol.
>
> >http://www.cycle-smart.com/blog/2009/11/05/that-joke-isnt-funny-anymore
>
> > I don't get it. Why would anyone want to test masters racers for doping?
> > Non-Elite racers should a) not be dope-tested and b) not get any prize
> > money or salary.
>
> DHEA, jeez, that's right up there with...
>
>
> Diet pills.
>
> Twice in the same family for over the counters. Hard
> to believe.
>
> Bob Schwartz
Yes, too bad. But everybody makes all kinds of mistakes, all the time.
So who cares. He and the Mrs. are just following the mindset so
prevalent in competitive sports. The true sadness here is, were he
allowed his fantasy one do-over in life, he would waste it on cycling.
The man needs counseling.
sa
derf...@gmail.com
> My understanding is that he set a world record and had to be tested if
> he wanted the record to be official.
>
> Oops...
Does that make it the first time someone said "oh shit" after
realizing he set a WR?
chiefhiawatha
ronaldo_jeremiah
> Kenny Williams is the K in K-FORCE componentry by FSA
Yeah, well, D-H-E-A is the force in Kenny Williams.
-rj
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
Agreed.
As an aside, for the 70+ category, not only should there be no
testing, doping should be encouraged.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
z
Is it considered doping to cheat by saying that you're older than you
actually are?
marco
> I don't get it. Why would anyone want to test masters racers for doping?
> Non-Elite racers should a) not be dope-tested and b) not get any prize
> money or salary.
Dearest Susan: Why do you feel so strongly about this? Do you think that
either your (a) or (b) detract in some way from Elite level racing?
Dope testing is part of enforcing the rules of the sport. Why is that any
different than a weekend soccer league that employs referees for games? The
players bear the costs for referees, as it should be. The expense for dope
testing should be borne by the categories being tested, through license or
entry fees and perhaps as a tax on prize lists. I don't think most racers
would object to that.
Don't doubt for a minute that even the *threat* of being tested doesn't work
as a deterrent. I know of a highly-suspect masters rider who flew across the
country for a big race and then when he discovered that (surprise) testing
would be done, he turned around and flew home.
I think there is good merit to your second comment. Prize money for
non-Elites is a bit weird, particularly compared to the vast majority of
other weekend-warrior sports. I also think cash prizes contribute to the
wanky attitudes of a lot of racers. It's pretty twisted when some
40-year-old cat 3 chooses which races to do based mostly on the prize list.
Or worse, when they complain about prize lists being too small. This, after
dropping many thousands on equipment and clothing, not to mention the
opportunity cost of their time.
Also, I strongly believe there is no correlation between non-elites doping
and prize money, or lack thereof. Non-elites who dope have a character flaw,
and it isn't related to making $100 in a some industrial park crit. It's ego
driven or due to self-esteem and identity issues.
But back to Kenny Williams... In his confession letter, which he only wrote
AFTER getting caught, he implies this was a one-time occurrence. Pretty hard
to believe. I'm curious to hear comments from those rbr folks who know or
knew him.
DA74
> knew him.
Total fucking douchebag.
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> I think there is good merit to your second comment. Prize money for
> non-Elites is a bit weird, particularly compared to the vast majority of
> other weekend-warrior sports. I also think cash prizes contribute to the
> wanky attitudes of a lot of racers.
<snip>
Dumbass -
Completely agree.
Tom Kunich
news:qYGJm.7756$de6....@newsfe21.iad...
> Susan Walker wrote:
>> I don't get it. Why would anyone want to test masters racers for doping?
>> Non-Elite racers should a) not be dope-tested and b) not get any prize
>> money or salary.
>
> non-Elites is a bit weird, particularly compared to the vast majority of
> other weekend-warrior sports.
I agree completely with Marco.
Howard Kveck
wrote:
> But back to Kenny Williams... In his confession letter, which he only wrote
> AFTER getting caught, he implies this was a one-time occurrence. Pretty hard
> to believe. I'm curious to hear comments from those rbr folks who know or
> knew him.
Claiming or implying that it was a one-time occurrence seems to be standard
operating procedure for those who really can't think of any other excuse (like "it
was in the supplements").
--
tanx,
Howard
Caught playing safe
It's a bored game
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
derf...@gmail.com
... one of the rare moments of clarity on rbr. Bravo.
> I also think cash prizes contribute to the
> wanky attitudes of a lot of racers. It's pretty twisted when some
> 40-year-old cat 3 chooses which races to do based mostly on the prize list.
> Or worse, when they complain about prize lists being too small.
Having done a couple of running races in the last month ... they were
no less competitive than bike races, but no one was complaining about
the promoter and prize lists. And no one was an asshole before,
during or after the race.
Bob Schwartz
> Susan Walker wrote:
>> I don't get it. Why would anyone want to test masters racers for
>> doping? Non-Elite racers should a) not be dope-tested and b) not get
>> any prize money or salary.
>
> Dearest Susan: Why do you feel so strongly about this? Do you think that
> either your (a) or (b) detract in some way from Elite level racing?
>
> Dope testing is part of enforcing the rules of the sport. Why is that
> any different than a weekend soccer league that employs referees for
> games? The players bear the costs for referees, as it should be. The
> expense for dope testing should be borne by the categories being tested,
> through license or entry fees and perhaps as a tax on prize lists. I
> don't think most racers would object to that.
Dope testing is different from refereeing in the degree of the expense.
Masters racing just isn't that important. Quality dope testing doesn't
come cheap. Masters racing doesn't justify the cost.
> Don't doubt for a minute that even the *threat* of being tested doesn't
> work as a deterrent. I know of a highly-suspect masters rider who flew
> across the country for a big race and then when he discovered that
> (surprise) testing would be done, he turned around and flew home.
Next time you drive to a race, take note of the people that do crazy
and dangerous stuff in order to gain an advantage on the highway. These
are people that could kill you. Now, are you going to lose sleep over
some douchebag that charges up for an event that emotionally balanced
people treat as a hobby?
For me, as I pondered this question on the way to events that I knew
would have riders that were charging, the answer was 'no'.
> But back to Kenny Williams... In his confession letter, which he only
> wrote AFTER getting caught, he implies this was a one-time occurrence.
> Pretty hard to believe. I'm curious to hear comments from those rbr
> folks who know or knew him.
Well, given that its the 2nd time someone in the household has been
popped it does seem hard to believe it could be a one-time thing for
him.
Bob Schwartz
Tom Kunich
news:S5GdnZG_stycEWrX...@giganews.com...
> marco wrote:
>
>> Don't doubt for a minute that even the *threat* of being tested doesn't
>> work as a deterrent. I know of a highly-suspect masters rider who flew
>> across the country for a big race and then when he discovered that
>> (surprise) testing would be done, he turned around and flew home.
>
> Next time you drive to a race, take note of the people that do crazy
> and dangerous stuff in order to gain an advantage on the highway. These
> are people that could kill you. Now, are you going to lose sleep over
> some douchebag that charges up for an event that emotionally balanced
> people treat as a hobby?
>
> For me, as I pondered this question on the way to events that I knew
> would have riders that were charging, the answer was 'no'.
And of course you are entirely correct. When I was racing I'd ride in the
front three for the entire race and then back off during the spring because
there were people who would kill or die to win and a Cat 4/5 race simply
want that important to me.
Even here we've had people criticize me because I'd back off when the nut
cases were pushing people or cutting them off to get first place in a race
that means absolutely nothing.
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> And of course you are entirely correct. When I was racing I'd ride in the
> front three for the entire race and then back off during the spring because
> there were people who would kill or die to win and a Cat 4/5 race simply
> want that important to me.
Dumbass -
Cat 4s and 5s aren't aggressive. They're not good enough to be
aggressive.
They run into each other because they're beginners at mass start
racing and haven't raced enough to fine tune their bike handling
skills.
Paul B. Anders
Hey dude, you still reading this stuff?
Brad Anders
Paul B. Anders
wrote:
> Results in header, per rbr protocol.
>
> -rj
Doesn't surprise me to see a masters racer test positive for dope.
There are plenty of masters who have a very hard time with putting
their training and racing into proper perspective.
Brad Anders
Tom Kunich
news:b7cb2b1f-cb16-423c...@i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
At least it's nice to know that Kevin is still around. And hopefully he's
gotten over the hatred spewing crap from the present group here.
Tom Kunich
> On Nov 7, 8:50 am, ronaldo_jeremiah <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > Results in header, per rbr protocol.
>
> There are plenty of masters who have a very hard time with putting
> their training and racing into proper perspective.
Let's also remember that these guys are having a hard time with reduced
testosterone production as they age. They know that something is different
and they're trying everything to "correct" it.
z
A few years back I did a 5k on a windy course. I found out that even at
a 19 minute pace drafting is beneficial. The guy I was running behind
saw my shadow, vectored off and upped his pace. Of course that was all
the egging on I needed, so I followed suit. After several more futile
efforts, he was blown and I passed and dropped him.
I'm sure he thought I was an asshole, whereas I thought he was ridiculous.
z
If only they knew about Carmichael's plan:
http://www.myfoxaustin.com/dpp/health/health_edge_extra/110809-Cycling-Tips-With-Armstrongs-Coach
Paul B. Anders
I'm trying to be fit and powerful on 6 minutes of training a week. Can
Chris help?
Brad Anders
SLAVE of THE STATE
> Dumbass -
>
> Cat 4s and 5s aren't aggressive. They're not good enough to be
> aggressive.
lmao
Well, Cat 4s and 5s do brake hard going into corners, and I've heard
in rbr that hard braking is very aggressive -- I mean, it is an
attempt to hurt cyclists.
derf...@gmail.com
> A few years back I did a 5k on a windy course. I found out that even at
> a 19 minute pace drafting is beneficial. The guy I was running behind
> saw my shadow, vectored off and upped his pace. Of course that was all
> the egging on I needed, so I followed suit. After several more futile
> efforts, he was blown and I passed and dropped him.
>
> I'm sure he thought I was an asshole, whereas I thought he was ridiculous.
ha. I did something similar. Only it was a chick I dropped. So I
amend what I said. There was one asshole during the race.
Anton Berlin
>
> - Show quoted text -
Carmichael's can inject all of those drugs in less than 6 minutes a
week now? He's gotten a lot faster since the Armstrong/Strock days.
Paul B. Anders
Just read the cyclingnews blurb on this:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/williams-admits-to-doping-positive
His apology rings pretty hollow to me. He took DHEA because he figured
it would help him take a title from other racers who weren't doping,
and he probably figured his chances at getting caught as a master's
racer were near zilch. Now, he's all so sorry. Too bad.
Brad Anders
derf...@gmail.com
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/williams-admits-to-doping-positive
Is that a recent photo? That hair looks like it's right out of
Flashdance.
derf...@gmail.com
> Carmichael's can inject all of those drugs in less than 6 minutes a
> week now? He's gotten a lot faster since the Armstrong/Strock days.
Strock is racing again, you know. I think that was Lance's
inspiration to come back.
Michael Press
<2f188641-d9ba-4e32...@d9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Does anybody have the courage of their convictions anymore?
Yeah I doped. Don't like it?
See the chaplain, have him punch your TS card.
OR
-- No, I did not dope.
-- The test proves you did.
-- I cannot account for the test. I did not dope.
--
Michael Press