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Free Willy
Oct 19, 2012, 6:29:58 PM10/19/12
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UCI will announce Armstrong decision on Monday
By VeloNews.com Published Oct. 19, 2012
"The UCI will reveal its course of action in regards to the U.S.
Anti-Doping Agency’s case against Lance Armstrong on
Monday, the federation has revealed.
“On this occasion, UCI President Mr. Pat McQuaid will inform
on the UCI position concerning the USADA decision on the
Armstrong case,” read a brief invitation to the announcement
distributed on Friday.
"USADA published its “Reasoned Decision” in the Armstrong
case last week. The 202-page document and hundreds of
pages of supporting evidence outlined a doping ring
surrounding the former world champion and his U.S.
Postal Service team. Amongst the evidence is testimony
from multiple witnesses alleging that the UCI was complicit
in keeping a lid on rampant doping across the peloton in
the 1990s and 2000s. McQuaid and former UCI president
Hein Verbruggen have denied these characterizations.
"The UCI has until October 31 to either accept USADA’s
recommended lifetime ban of the Texan and wipe his
name from the results sheets between August 1998 and
the end of his career in 2011 or appeal the case to the
Court of Arbitration for Sport. The UCI and USADA
engaged earlier this year in a war of words in the press
over which organization held jurisdiction over Armstrong."
************************
Being a professional cyclist, and having inside information . . .
I have a SCOOP for you. The UCI will announce they will
NOT be vacating Armstrong's Tour de France victories on
the basis of the USADA's investigation into Armstrong's
alleged transgressions which, at this point, amount to little
more than rumor and hearsay.
The UCI will say they cannot act to vacate seven Tour wins
on the basis of a biased investigation in which much of the
so-called 'evidence' may have been the result of the
investigating agency handing out immunity for testimony.
Can you say "bribery?" The UCI will further claim the UASDA
has no standing in UCI sanctioned events.
The UCI will say that Armstrong was subject to testing, time
and time again, and never failed to pass muster. They will
say that Armstrong's REAL record of no control violations
necessarily trumps any after-the-fact allegations by admitted
dopers.
--
Willy Free
i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca
Oct 19, 2012, 7:20:39 PM10/19/12
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I still think this whole mess is just a personal vendetta by the USADA.
Cheers
atriage
Oct 19, 2012, 7:53:36 PM10/19/12
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i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca
Oct 19, 2012, 8:45:52 PM10/19/12
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Cheers
Fred Flintstein
Oct 19, 2012, 10:03:09 PM10/19/12
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On 10/19/2012 7:45 PM, i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> What I don't get is if Lance is so guilty then why haven't charges such as fraud etcetera been brought against him?
>
> Cheers
Is doping for a sporting event a crime in the US?
>
> What I don't get is if Lance is so guilty then why haven't charges such as fraud etcetera been brought against him?
>
> Cheers
F
i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca
Oct 20, 2012, 12:04:49 AM10/20/12
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Cheers
raamman
Oct 20, 2012, 6:26:38 PM10/20/12
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a wise and well reasoned decision
good for him
thanks
Kyle Legate
Oct 21, 2012, 9:36:58 AM10/21/12
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dope is meaningless. Just because he passed tests doesn't mean that he
wasn't doping. It's easy to pass a test, as the affidavits demonstrate;
to fail a test one must be stupid and careless. Or not bribe the UCI with
enough cash. You don't even need to fail a test to be sanctioned. I don't
recall Ullrich, or Basso, failing tests. I don't recall Carlos Barredo,
who is just about to be sanctioned, failing a test.
A couple more things before I slip back into retirement. The reasoned
decision reads much like a court case built on witness testimony. A
smoking gun is not required when testimony is corroborated by so many
independent witnesses. In the US, prisoners are sent to death on the
testimony of fewer witnesses than the USADA found. The testimony is
overwhelming. Also, this isn't just a witchhunt against someone who
doped. This is a case against someone who demanded his teammates also
dope, who provided drugs to them on numerous occasions, introduced them
to Ferrari, enforced the doping policy when it was not being followed,
and aggressively intimidated witnesses who speak out against the Omerta.
Ironically, a cancer within the world of cycling. He and Bruyneel deserve
to be ridiculed, scorned and driven from the sport and any related
livelihood.
raamman
Oct 21, 2012, 1:03:01 PM10/21/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
how many innocents sat on death-row ?
Free Willy
Oct 21, 2012, 1:05:07 PM10/21/12
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"Kyle Legate" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
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That's were you are wrong. Tour de France doping is DEFINED by the UCI as
failing the WADA controls.
Doping is NOT using performance enhancing methods and substances and STAYING
under the guidelines. Most every professional athletes uses performance
enhancing one way or the other. Many performance enhancing methods are
entirely legal and not even mentioned in the controls - such things as high
altitude training, breathing slightly pressurized air to increase lung
capacity, various technical leg massage methods involving equipment,
temperatures and pressures, swallowing lots of Co-enzyme Q10, mass quantities
of vitamin C, D and E, for example are all performance enhancers and entirely
legal (as of now).
It seems you would call people who use the above "dopers". How droll. You
should not be so vindictive. Take your defeats like a man.
WADA has controls for a reason. The controls define doping. If an athlete
comes in under the control limits then, by definition, he cannot be said to
have been doping because doping is strictly defined as having come in at or
above the tested limits. Why bother with controls if on the one hand WADA says
the limit is this and somebody else can come along years later and claim the
limit is meaningless and anything under the limit is also called doping?
Logic, my dear fellow, logic!
--
Willy Free
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failing the WADA controls.
Doping is NOT using performance enhancing methods and substances and STAYING
under the guidelines. Most every professional athletes uses performance
enhancing one way or the other. Many performance enhancing methods are
entirely legal and not even mentioned in the controls - such things as high
altitude training, breathing slightly pressurized air to increase lung
capacity, various technical leg massage methods involving equipment,
temperatures and pressures, swallowing lots of Co-enzyme Q10, mass quantities
of vitamin C, D and E, for example are all performance enhancers and entirely
legal (as of now).
It seems you would call people who use the above "dopers". How droll. You
should not be so vindictive. Take your defeats like a man.
WADA has controls for a reason. The controls define doping. If an athlete
comes in under the control limits then, by definition, he cannot be said to
have been doping because doping is strictly defined as having come in at or
above the tested limits. Why bother with controls if on the one hand WADA says
the limit is this and somebody else can come along years later and claim the
limit is meaningless and anything under the limit is also called doping?
Logic, my dear fellow, logic!
--
Willy Free
atriage
Oct 21, 2012, 2:39:19 PM10/21/12
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Free Willy
Oct 21, 2012, 2:44:04 PM10/21/12
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Willy Free
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>
> This is all very true but I doubt whether the willy waver has the
> intellectual capacity to 'get it'.
Says the dummy who allows tracking cookies on his hard drive . . .
> This is all very true but I doubt whether the willy waver has the
> intellectual capacity to 'get it'.
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Willy Free
atriage
Oct 21, 2012, 9:05:23 PM10/21/12
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atriage
Oct 21, 2012, 9:31:13 PM10/21/12
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Simply Fred
Oct 22, 2012, 6:54:22 AM10/22/12
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atriage wrote:
> Boy are you gonna look stOOpid on Tuesday.
Tuesday ? Symmetry is preserved.
> Boy are you gonna look stOOpid on Tuesday.
zzfra...@mac.com
Oct 22, 2012, 7:40:53 AM10/22/12
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atriage
Oct 22, 2012, 11:31:35 AM10/22/12
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On 19/10/2012 23:29, Free Willy wrote:
<SNIP DRIVEL>
> Being a professional cyclist,
Sure and I'm Genghis Khan.
> and having inside information . . .
Sure and I was granted three wishes by Puff the Magic Dragon.
> I have a SCOOP for you. The UCI will announce they will
> NOT be vacating Armstrong's
FAIL
> Can you say "bribery?" The UCI will further claim the UASDA
> has no standing in UCI sanctioned events.
>
> The UCI will say that Armstrong was subject to testing, time
> and time again, and never failed to pass muster. They will
> say that Armstrong's REAL record of no control violations
> necessarily trumps any after-the-fact allegations by admitted
> dopers.
>
FAIL
Let me guess, you woke up yesterday and decided to make a post to usenet
that proves you're a total asshat...good news...mission accomplished!
<SNIP DRIVEL>
> Being a professional cyclist,
Sure and I'm Genghis Khan.
> and having inside information . . .
> I have a SCOOP for you. The UCI will announce they will
> NOT be vacating Armstrong's
>
> The UCI will say they cannot act to vacate seven Tour wins
> on the basis of a biased investigation in which much of the
> so-called 'evidence' may have been the result of the
> investigating agency handing out immunity for testimony.
FAIL
> The UCI will say they cannot act to vacate seven Tour wins
> on the basis of a biased investigation in which much of the
> so-called 'evidence' may have been the result of the
> investigating agency handing out immunity for testimony.
> Can you say "bribery?" The UCI will further claim the UASDA
> has no standing in UCI sanctioned events.
>
> The UCI will say that Armstrong was subject to testing, time
> and time again, and never failed to pass muster. They will
> say that Armstrong's REAL record of no control violations
> necessarily trumps any after-the-fact allegations by admitted
> dopers.
>
Let me guess, you woke up yesterday and decided to make a post to usenet
that proves you're a total asshat...good news...mission accomplished!
atriage
Oct 22, 2012, 11:34:57 AM10/22/12
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Fred Flintstein
Oct 22, 2012, 11:50:09 AM10/22/12
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i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca
Oct 22, 2012, 12:04:32 PM10/22/12
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On Friday, October 19, 2012 6:30:01 PM UTC-4, Free Willy wrote:
http://ca.omg.yahoo.com/news/lance-armstrong-officially-stripped-tour-france-titles-banned-103000243.html
It's a sad day for bicycling. I wonder if the same enthusiasim will be used un going after all the other teams thst doped? Can bicycling realisticlly b made a clean sport?
Cheers
Free Willy
Oct 22, 2012, 3:53:11 PM10/22/12
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<i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:af53dab2-1b97-42aa...@googlegroups.com...
> Well, it is a surprise to me but, "Lance Armstrong Officially
> Stripped of Tour de France Titles, Banned for Life"
>
> http://ca.omg.yahoo.com/news/lance-armstrong-officially-stripped-tour-france-titles-banned-103000243.html
>
> It's a sad day for bicycling. I wonder if the same enthusiasim will be used
> un going after all the other > teams thst doped? Can bicycling realisticlly
> b made a clean sport?
This is really a travesty. The UCI and WADA set up controls and then they end
up not even following the guidelines and controls themselves. Instead, they
raise the bar at a later date and strip Lance of his titles which means they
have publicly admitted that their controls were/are all a farce and an
ineffective waste of everybody's time and money. A bureaucracy that has no
ethics and serves only to self-perpetuate.
The UCI and WADA have just announced to the world that they failed to do their
job. They have egg on their faces. They are a joke. They are useless and
impotent. They are a laughing stock. Yes, that's the ticket!
What's the good of a control when it turns out it's not a control at all?
What's the good of all the testing if even those who pass the testing can be
stripped of their titles years after the fact on the basis of bought and sold
testimony from an agency in a different country? It certainly renders the
entire testing process trite and meaningless. Leave it to the UCI and WADA to
shoot themselves in the foot and give the sport of professional cycling a
black eye.
It is, indeed, a sad day for bicycling. Imagine how the athletes, themselves,
feel if they adhered to the guidelines and passed all the controls only to
find out that anybody can point a finger years later and have all their hard
work and successfully passed controls considered null and void.
--
Free Willy
news:af53dab2-1b97-42aa...@googlegroups.com...
> Well, it is a surprise to me but, "Lance Armstrong Officially
> Stripped of Tour de France Titles, Banned for Life"
>
> http://ca.omg.yahoo.com/news/lance-armstrong-officially-stripped-tour-france-titles-banned-103000243.html
>
> It's a sad day for bicycling. I wonder if the same enthusiasim will be used
> un going after all the other > teams thst doped? Can bicycling realisticlly
> b made a clean sport?
up not even following the guidelines and controls themselves. Instead, they
raise the bar at a later date and strip Lance of his titles which means they
have publicly admitted that their controls were/are all a farce and an
ineffective waste of everybody's time and money. A bureaucracy that has no
ethics and serves only to self-perpetuate.
The UCI and WADA have just announced to the world that they failed to do their
job. They have egg on their faces. They are a joke. They are useless and
impotent. They are a laughing stock. Yes, that's the ticket!
What's the good of a control when it turns out it's not a control at all?
What's the good of all the testing if even those who pass the testing can be
stripped of their titles years after the fact on the basis of bought and sold
testimony from an agency in a different country? It certainly renders the
entire testing process trite and meaningless. Leave it to the UCI and WADA to
shoot themselves in the foot and give the sport of professional cycling a
black eye.
It is, indeed, a sad day for bicycling. Imagine how the athletes, themselves,
feel if they adhered to the guidelines and passed all the controls only to
find out that anybody can point a finger years later and have all their hard
work and successfully passed controls considered null and void.
--
Free Willy
Uncle Dave
Oct 22, 2012, 5:11:28 PM10/22/12
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On 22/10/2012 16:31, atriage wrote:
> Sure and I was granted three wishes by Puff the Magic Dragon.
Ooh you lucky bastard!
> Sure and I was granted three wishes by Puff the Magic Dragon.
UD
atriage
Oct 22, 2012, 5:37:26 PM10/22/12
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settled for a new pair of carbon wheels.
Mower Man
Oct 22, 2012, 5:44:34 PM10/22/12
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impossible position - but as they set the bar they should have stuck
with the results. Unless they could admit that they had - breached it?
Rock and a hard place, IMHO.
An amnesty would have been good, but too late for that now.
--
Chris
'Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it
every six months.'
(Oscar Wilde.)
thirty-six
Oct 22, 2012, 8:48:56 PM10/22/12
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On 22 Oct, 20:53, "Free Willy" <freewi...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> <i_am_cycle_pat...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> It certainly renders the
> entire testing process trite and meaningless.
You should be in politics, you have great understanding..
> Leave it to the UCI and WADA to
> shoot themselves in the foot and give the sport of professional cycling a
> black eye.
>
> It is, indeed, a sad day for bicycling. Imagine how the athletes, themselves,
> feel if they adhered to the guidelines and passed all the controls only to
> find out that anybody can point a finger years later and have all their hard
> work and successfully passed controls considered null and void.
>
Don't get caught out, trust no one.
BTW, a healthy man can do a lot with fat and fruit.
> <i_am_cycle_pat...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:af53dab2-1b97-42aa...@googlegroups.com...
>
> > Well, it is a surprise to me but, "Lance Armstrong Officially
> > Stripped of Tour de France Titles, Banned for Life"
>
> >http://ca.omg.yahoo.com/news/lance-armstrong-officially-stripped-tour...
> news:af53dab2-1b97-42aa...@googlegroups.com...
>
> > Well, it is a surprise to me but, "Lance Armstrong Officially
> > Stripped of Tour de France Titles, Banned for Life"
>
>
> > It's a sad day for bicycling. I wonder if the same enthusiasim will be used
> > un going after all the other > teams thst doped? Can bicycling realisticlly
> > b made a clean sport?
>
> This is really a travesty. The UCI and WADA set up controls and then they end
> up not even following the guidelines and controls themselves. Instead, they
> raise the bar at a later date and strip Lance of his titles which means they
> have publicly admitted that their controls were/are all a farce and an
> ineffective waste of everybody's time and money. A bureaucracy that has no
> ethics and serves only to self-perpetuate.
>
> The UCI and WADA have just announced to the world that they failed to do their
> job. They have egg on their faces. They are a joke. They are useless and
> impotent. They are a laughing stock. Yes, that's the ticket!
>
> What's the good of a control when it turns out it's not a control at all?
> What's the good of all the testing if even those who pass the testing can be
> stripped of their titles years after the fact on the basis of bought and sold
> testimony from an agency in a different country?
Yes, but there were a few special reasons. 125,000 of them IIRC.
> > It's a sad day for bicycling. I wonder if the same enthusiasim will be used
> > un going after all the other > teams thst doped? Can bicycling realisticlly
> > b made a clean sport?
>
> This is really a travesty. The UCI and WADA set up controls and then they end
> up not even following the guidelines and controls themselves. Instead, they
> raise the bar at a later date and strip Lance of his titles which means they
> have publicly admitted that their controls were/are all a farce and an
> ineffective waste of everybody's time and money. A bureaucracy that has no
> ethics and serves only to self-perpetuate.
>
> The UCI and WADA have just announced to the world that they failed to do their
> job. They have egg on their faces. They are a joke. They are useless and
> impotent. They are a laughing stock. Yes, that's the ticket!
>
> What's the good of a control when it turns out it's not a control at all?
> What's the good of all the testing if even those who pass the testing can be
> stripped of their titles years after the fact on the basis of bought and sold
> testimony from an agency in a different country?
> It certainly renders the
> entire testing process trite and meaningless.
> Leave it to the UCI and WADA to
> shoot themselves in the foot and give the sport of professional cycling a
> black eye.
>
> It is, indeed, a sad day for bicycling. Imagine how the athletes, themselves,
> feel if they adhered to the guidelines and passed all the controls only to
> find out that anybody can point a finger years later and have all their hard
> work and successfully passed controls considered null and void.
>
BTW, a healthy man can do a lot with fat and fruit.
Simply Fred
Oct 23, 2012, 10:40:37 AM10/23/12
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atriage wrote:
> Sure and I'm Genghis Khan.
DSK posts to rbr ?:
> Sure and I'm Genghis Khan.
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