When someone earns a jersey during the tour, yellow, green, etc, the rider's team (main) logo is on the jersey. So with that....
1) If a rider earns the jersey multiple days, is there a new jersey for each day? Seems like I've seen Lance pulling on a new yellow over an existng one on consecutive stages (previous years, obviously) I also think I saw one year a stack of yellow's in the back of a truck where they took the one off the top to give to Lance for that day.
2) Who makes those jerseys? Are the teams responsible? Or do the tour organizers do it?
3) I have to assume there's enough of each to cover any possibility of the permutations of riders, number of days, teams etc so they don't run out if some unexpected results happen (what, 4 types of jersey, times (I think) 21 teams, times (on an average year) 21 stages adds up to a heck of a lot of clothing that can go unused) This does not even go into worrying about the right size for riders.
4) What happens to all of those unused jerseys?
Yeah, I know, shut up and just enjoy the race. I was just wondering if anyone knew these logistics....
> So I've always wondered this.... > 1) If a rider earns the jersey multiple days, is there a new jersey for each > day? Seems like I've seen Lance pulling on a new yellow over an existng one > on consecutive stages (previous years, obviously) I also think I saw one > year a stack of yellow's in the back of a truck where they took the one off > the top to give to Lance for that day.
The podium jersey is just for the cameras, so yes if the rider of the stage is in yellow he will be given another jellow jersey to put on. You'll also see a big (stick on) logo of the riders team sponsor that isn't on the true race day jersey. Again for the sponsor billboard. I don't think you would want to ride with the podium jersey on, it's made very big to fit any possible rider size and would catch a ton on wind. For the rider the next day they have a bunch of jerseys in all sizes (just like you see advertised for us mortals to buy (for a price).
> When someone earns a jersey during the tour, yellow, green, etc, the rider's > team (main) logo is on the jersey. So with that....
> 1) If a rider earns the jersey multiple days, is there a new jersey for each > day? Seems like I've seen Lance pulling on a new yellow over an existng one > on consecutive stages (previous years, obviously) I also think I saw one > year a stack of yellow's in the back of a truck where they took the one off > the top to give to Lance for that day.
They get a new set each day. If I'm not mistaken, each set contains a long- and a short-sleeved jersey, as well as a TT suit.
> 2) Who makes those jerseys? Are the teams responsible? Or do the tour > organizers do it?
The tour organizers have large stickers, with the team sponsors on them, that can be pressed on the jerseys very quickly. They prepare them before the award ceremony when it's clear who is going to wear the jerseys.
> 3) I have to assume there's enough of each to cover any possibility of the > permutations of riders, number of days, teams etc so they don't run out if > some unexpected results happen (what, 4 types of jersey, times (I think) 21 > teams, times (on an average year) 21 stages adds up to a heck of a lot of > clothing that can go unused) This does not even go into worrying about the > right size for riders.
The teams do not carry around classification jerseys. They are in possession of the tour organization until they are awarded.
> 4) What happens to all of those unused jerseys?
You can buy jerseys of all types (yellow, green, etc.), in different sizes ofcourse. I would assume that the winner's jerseys come from that stack, so it is clear that the surplus is sold. Last year, there was footage after every stage of the winner signing a stack of jerseys and these are ofcourse even more interesting to sell.
> Yeah, I know, shut up and just enjoy the race. I was just wondering if > anyone knew these logistics....
> Dave
Cyclingnews.com has a useful tour faq. I'm not sure if your questions are answered there, so here you are. Corrections are welcome ofcourse.
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:13:50 -0400, Dave wrote: > So I've always wondered this....
> When someone earns a jersey during the tour, yellow, green, etc, the rider's > team (main) logo is on the jersey. So with that....
> 1) If a rider earns the jersey multiple days, is there a new jersey for each > day? Seems like I've seen Lance pulling on a new yellow over an existng one > on consecutive stages (previous years, obviously) I also think I saw one > year a stack of yellow's in the back of a truck where they took the one off > the top to give to Lance for that day.
> 2) Who makes those jerseys? Are the teams responsible? Or do the tour > organizers do it?
> 3) I have to assume there's enough of each to cover any possibility of the > permutations of riders, number of days, teams etc so they don't run out if > some unexpected results happen (what, 4 types of jersey, times (I think) 21 > teams, times (on an average year) 21 stages adds up to a heck of a lot of > clothing that can go unused) This does not even go into worrying about the > right size for riders.
> 4) What happens to all of those unused jerseys?
> Yeah, I know, shut up and just enjoy the race. I was just wondering if > anyone knew these logistics....
> Dave
There was an article about this last year, possibly in the NY Times. There is a van that comes along with the tour, with a guy who slaps the winner's logos on appropriate-colored jerseys for each stage. So I guess he has a supply of plain yellow, green, white and polka-dot jerseys in different sizes, plus a stack of sponsor logos. Dunno whether the podium jerseys, which seem to zip up the back, are the same as the ones worn the next day during the ride, and I forget whether the article mentioned whether the logos were iron-on, but I doubt that he sits there with a sewing machine.
I kida figured it had to be something like that. Low tech, but does the job. And some of the other posts mentioned the podium jersey zipping up the back; I had completely forgotten abut that.
> There was an article about this last year, possibly in the NY Times. There > is a van that comes along with the tour, with a guy who slaps the winner's > logos on appropriate-colored jerseys for each stage. So I guess he has a > supply of plain yellow, green, white and polka-dot jerseys in different > sizes, plus a stack of sponsor logos.
Nope just one size fits all.
>Dunno whether the podium jerseys, which seem to zip up the back, are the
same as the ones worn the next day
> during the ride,
Nope, just for the podium "dog and pony" show.
> and I forget whether the article mentioned whether the > logos were iron-on, but I doubt that he sits there with a sewing machine.
Nope, stick on, just like the numbers on the rider's hips.
> > There was an article about this last year, possibly in the NY Times. There > > is a van that comes along with the tour, with a guy who slaps the winner's > > logos on appropriate-colored jerseys for each stage. So I guess he has a > > supply of plain yellow, green, white and polka-dot jerseys in different > > sizes, plus a stack of sponsor logos.
> Nope just one size fits all.
> >Dunno whether the podium jerseys, which seem to zip up the back, are the > same as the ones worn the next day > > during the ride,
> Nope, just for the podium "dog and pony" show.
> > and I forget whether the article mentioned whether the > > logos were iron-on, but I doubt that he sits there with a sewing machine.
> Nope, stick on, just like the numbers on the rider's hips.
> I kida figured it had to be something like that. Low tech, but does the > job. And some of the other posts mentioned the podium jersey zipping up the > back; I had completely forgotten abut that.
> Dave
I do think there are more than one per day and that there are "extra" jerseys. Back in the day (so to speak) anyone outside of what was considered the "normal" size range for a "Euro-dog" had to put up with a jersey that did not fit. These days, I have not seen a poorly fitting jersey in many years and the ranges of riders these days is far more than ever before. That is strong evidence to me that there are plenty of extra sizes. They always have a full Tour's worth for the favorite riders and then they have the extras. I remember one year Stephen Roche had to wear a massively over-sized jersey that was tamed with safety pins. It neded up OK in photos if you did not know what to look for. Back then, the jerseys typically went down a bit further anyway and the bottom would often sit just above the peak of the rider's buttocks. Look at most of today's riders and the jersey normally ends just a few inches below the waist and most of the riders have similar fitting jerseys. I see more variety in short lengths but that seems to involve preference more so than jerseys do (which is surprising to me but I am only observing here).
> > When someone earns a jersey during the tour, yellow, green, etc, the > rider's > > team (main) logo is on the jersey. So with that....
> > 1) If a rider earns the jersey multiple days, is there a new jersey for > each > > day? Seems like I've seen Lance pulling on a new yellow over an existng > one > > on consecutive stages (previous years, obviously) I also think I saw one > > year a stack of yellow's in the back of a truck where they took the one > off > > the top to give to Lance for that day.
> They get a new set each day. If I'm not mistaken, each set contains a long- > and a short-sleeved jersey, as well as a TT suit.
They only get skinsuits on days they may need them. I do think they get a long and short sleeve as you indicated though along with the podium jersey. It is funny because the winner normally gives jerseys away to team mates, politicians, etc and never seems to run out. The really prized jerseys are those that are actually worn in the race folowed by podium and then jerseys that were not worn. I would not be surprised at all to find out that the winner can ask for a few extras for photo ops although I have heard that the organizers don't want the public to have that impression so I don't know how they decide which requests from the winer to honor.
> > 2) Who makes those jerseys? Are the teams responsible? Or do the tour > > organizers do it?
> The tour organizers have large stickers, with the team sponsors on them, > that can be pressed on the jerseys very quickly. They prepare them before > the award ceremony when it's clear who is going to wear the jerseys.
> > 3) I have to assume there's enough of each to cover any possibility of the > > permutations of riders, number of days, teams etc so they don't run out if > > some unexpected results happen (what, 4 types of jersey, times (I think) > 21 > > teams, times (on an average year) 21 stages adds up to a heck of a lot of > > clothing that can go unused) This does not even go into worrying about > the > > right size for riders.
> The teams do not carry around classification jerseys. They are in possession > of the tour organization until they are awarded.
> > 4) What happens to all of those unused jerseys?
> You can buy jerseys of all types (yellow, green, etc.), in different sizes > ofcourse. I would assume that the winner's jerseys come from that stack, so > it is clear that the surplus is sold. Last year, there was footage after > every stage of the winner signing a stack of jerseys and these are ofcourse > even more interesting to sell.
> > Yeah, I know, shut up and just enjoy the race. I was just wondering if > > anyone knew these logistics....
> > Dave
> Cyclingnews.com has a useful tour faq. I'm not sure if your questions are > answered there, so here you are. Corrections are welcome ofcourse.
> > > 4) What happens to all of those unused jerseys?
> Well, I'd like to argue for a 1/2 point because I was referring to the non > existant jerseys implied in the question.
> For example, the hypothetical USPS prologue yellow jersey that was never > used and does not exist.
Why not? I bet Lance gets that one and will keep it to use as he pleases. I doubt he actually "turned it away". He likely got it but did not use it. He will give that one to someone he owes a favor to...
> > > > 4) What happens to all of those unused jerseys?
> > Well, I'd like to argue for a 1/2 point because I was referring to the non > > existant jerseys implied in the question.
> > For example, the hypothetical USPS prologue yellow jersey that was never > > used and does not exist.
> Why not? I bet Lance gets that one and will keep it to use as he pleases. I > doubt he actually "turned it away". He likely got it but did not use it. He > will give that one to someone he owes a favor to...
I'll be clearer. Not for the start of the prologue, but for the winner of the prologue. The op assumed that they made a yellow jersey for every team for every stage.
TM wrote: > I'll be clearer. Not for the start of the prologue, but for the winner of > the prologue. The op assumed that they made a yellow jersey for every team > for every stage.
What about winners of other stages? They should at least get a T-shirt or something.
Front: I won stage 9 of the 2004 Tour... Back: ... and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
> > I'll be clearer. Not for the start of the prologue, but for the winner of > > the prologue. The op assumed that they made a yellow jersey for every team > > for every stage.
> What about winners of other stages? They should at least get a T-shirt or something.
> Front: I won stage 9 of the 2004 Tour... > Back: ... and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
This is one incredible thread! Just to clear things up, riders DO NOT use the podium jersey for anything other then the podium. However, I like everyone would love to get my mits on one of those jerseys.
> > When someone earns a jersey during the tour, yellow, green, etc, the > rider's > > team (main) logo is on the jersey. So with that....
> > 1) If a rider earns the jersey multiple days, is there a new jersey for > each > > day? Seems like I've seen Lance pulling on a new yellow over an existng > one > > on consecutive stages (previous years, obviously) I also think I saw one > > year a stack of yellow's in the back of a truck where they took the one > off > > the top to give to Lance for that day.
> They get a new set each day. If I'm not mistaken, each set contains a long- > and a short-sleeved jersey, as well as a TT suit.
> > 2) Who makes those jerseys? Are the teams responsible? Or do the tour > > organizers do it?
> The tour organizers have large stickers, with the team sponsors on them, > that can be pressed on the jerseys very quickly. They prepare them before > the award ceremony when it's clear who is going to wear the jerseys.
Wow -- your first non-SPAM post in YEARS!
Thanks, Ken
> > 3) I have to assume there's enough of each to cover any possibility of the > > permutations of riders, number of days, teams etc so they don't run out if > > some unexpected results happen (what, 4 types of jersey, times (I think) > 21 > > teams, times (on an average year) 21 stages adds up to a heck of a lot of > > clothing that can go unused) This does not even go into worrying about > the > > right size for riders.
> The teams do not carry around classification jerseys. They are in possession > of the tour organization until they are awarded.
> > 4) What happens to all of those unused jerseys?
> > > I'll be clearer. Not for the start of the prologue, but for the winner > of > > > the prologue. The op assumed that they made a yellow jersey for every > team > > > for every stage.
> > What about winners of other stages? They should at least get a T-shirt or > something.
> > Front: I won stage 9 of the 2004 Tour... > > Back: ... and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
> When someone earns a jersey during the tour, yellow, green, etc, the rider's > team (main) logo is on the jersey. So with that....
There was an article posted here last year about the man who makes the tour jerseys. Quite an efficient operation by all accounts. The link was posted in the newsgroup and you can Google for it if you don't mind people thinking that you are a stalker or something. This should be in the FAQ, but we haven't updated that since April 2003 because there has been more important stuff happening.
On 9 Jul 2004 11:44:59 -0700, zboy2...@hotmail.com (zboy) wrote:
>This is one incredible thread! Just to clear things up, riders DO NOT >use the podium jersey for anything other then the podium. However, I >like everyone would love to get my mits on one of those jerseys.
Why? What value would a jersey someone else won with no help from you have?
I have a mountain leaders jersey from a smallish race a teammate won -- I helped him a little in winning that. _That's_ a cool jersey. For me.
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: > On 9 Jul 2004 11:44:59 -0700, zboy2...@hotmail.com (zboy) wrote:
>>This is one incredible thread! Just to clear things up, riders DO NOT >>use the podium jersey for anything other then the podium. However, I >>like everyone would love to get my mits on one of those jerseys.
> Why? What value would a jersey someone else won with no help from you > have?
> I have a mountain leaders jersey from a smallish race a teammate won > -- I helped him a little in winning that. _That's_ a cool jersey. For > me.
> JT
They have value as collectors items. I have an autographed climber's jersey that Jonathon Vaughters wore in le Dauphine Libere. I picked it up at a silent auction in Denver benefiting the LAF. I never found any evidence that Vaughters actually led that competition. I think he wore the jersey while second, when Armstrong was leading both G.C. and the climbers competition. I've always liked that race even before the posties did well there and it's not every day that you get a chance to buy something as unique as that.
BTW, it's a four color sublimated jersey with a white rectangular area where they ironed on the USPS logo, front and back.
