LANCE would've won...
ronaldo_jeremiah
http://tour-de-france.velonews.com/article/94407/a-strong-start
-rj
P.S. Does Wilcockson look like LANCE's Mom? And if he doesn't, why
is he acting like his bitch?
Mike Jacoubowsky
news:703f8596-3a1e-4b0d...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
Here's his exact quote-
"Those cooler conditions combined with a breeze that picked up, and
helped the later starters over the final 4km, probably cost Armstrong
(and Leipheimer) about 10 seconds. "
That's from John Wilcockson, the guy you claim suggested "Lance would've
won" if conditions were different. He said no such thing.
Pick on Lance, fine. Point out the absurdity of someone his age
recovering each day to face the next, never having an "off" day that
would put you out of contention. I'm right there with you. But get your
facts straight.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
ronaldo_jeremiah
wrote:
> "ronaldo_jeremiah" <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Dumbass -
Fair enough. But Wilcockson oughta get his facts straight - lower
temperatures and breezes don't make for faster TTs. That's LANCELOVE
gone wild.
-rj
Mike Jacoubowsky
On Jul 5, 12:18 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "ronaldo_jeremiah" <ronaldo_jerem...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:703f8596-3a1e-4b0d...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
>
> > ...if he could've ridden when it was colder and breezy.
>
> >http://tour-de-france.velonews.com/article/94407/a-strong-start
>
> > -rj
>
> > P.S. Does Wilcockson look like LANCE's Mom? And if he doesn't, why
> > is he acting like his bitch?
>
> Here's his exact quote-
>
> "Those cooler conditions combined with a breeze that picked up, and
> helped the later starters over the final 4km, probably cost Armstrong
> (and Leipheimer) about 10 seconds. "
>
> That's from John Wilcockson, the guy you claim suggested "Lance
> would've
> won" if conditions were different. He said no such thing.
>
> Pick on Lance, fine. Point out the absurdity of someone his age
> recovering each day to face the next, never having an "off" day that
> would put you out of contention. I'm right there with you. But get
> your
> facts straight.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Dumbass -
Fair enough. But Wilcockson oughta get his facts straight - lower
temperatures and breezes don't make for faster TTs. That's LANCELOVE
gone wild.
-rj
===========
The 2003 ITT in Nantes was won by David Millar (the ITT known best for
Ullrich crashing after Lance won Luz Ardiden). There is no chance
whatsoever that David Millar would have won that stage had he not gone
very early, when the winds were far more favorable. An hour or two later
what had been a tailwind shifted to a headwind.
To suggest that temperatures and breezes can't make a difference is
absurd.
cur...@the-md-russells.org
<ronaldo_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Fair enough. But Wilcockson oughta get his facts straight - lower
>temperatures and breezes don't make for faster TTs. That's LANCELOVE
>gone wild.
Cooler temperatures certainly can on what was described as a hot and
humid day. As for the breezes, it would depend on what sections were
protected and which ones weren't. I doubt anyone not there has the
information to say one way or the other, but your definitive statement
is no more accurate than his comment. That's overreaction gone wild.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
ronaldo_jeremiah
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:06:11 -0700 (PDT), ronaldo_jeremiah
>
> >Fair enough. But Wilcockson oughta get his facts straight - lower
> >temperatures and breezes don't make for faster TTs. That's LANCELOVE
> >gone wild.
>
> Cooler temperatures certainly can on what was described as a hot and
> humid day. As for the breezes, it would depend on what sections were
> protected and which ones weren't. I doubt anyone not there has the
> information to say one way or the other, but your definitive statement
> is no more accurate than his comment. That's overreaction gone wild.
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...
Dumbasses -
It's a clear case of LANCELOVE. No way that same analysis is given if
LANCE isn't involved.
-rj
cur...@the-md-russells.org
<ronaldo_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>It's a clear case of LANCELOVE. No way that same analysis is given if
>LANCE isn't involved.
Bullshit. I've heard the same type of analysis given by moto officials
on a course for 1-2-3 s. You're out there, there is talk on the
radios, often all you are doing is repeating run-of-the-mill comments
from people that are on the course for hours and plenty of time to
come up with stuff. A guy standing in a corner all by himself has a
lot of time to think about what he is seeing coming up the road.
You have the movie conversation complex - you think everything that
happens, happens on screen. So there is no room for complexity or
perspective other than what hits you on the first impression. A
zealbot of one type or another. You need to stop patting yourself on
the back so much that you aren't a Lance zealbot - one zealbot is
pretty much the same as another, other than orientation.
Tom Kunich
news:8MCdndbZtsEsVc3X...@earthlink.com...
>
> To suggest that temperatures and breezes can't make a difference is
> absurd.
And yet we see the experts here doing it all the time. Fact is that many
important TT's that are won by unknowns usually have weather conditions to
explain the unusual.
ilan
It's strange because I was convinced that part of David Millar's
"redemption" was admitting that he was on EPO during that stage and
giving up his win. I did a bit of research and so far, he's still
listed as having won it.
-ilan
Susan Walker
> It's strange because I was convinced that part of David Millar's
> "redemption" was admitting that he was on EPO during that stage and
> giving up his win. I did a bit of research and so far, he's still
> listed as having won it.
Kohl is also still up on letour.fr with all of his results from the Tour
'08. But did he actually forfeit them, or did some org (UCI/ASO/WADA,
wha'evah) officially strike him from the results?
Fred Fredburger
Redemption's an awfully funny thing, but Millar seems at least as
redeemed as Virenque ever was.
Mike Jacoubowsky
"Fred Fredburger" <Fred.Fr...@Where.Are.The.Nachos> wrote in
message news:4a514657$1...@news.x-privat.org...
Virenque is an entirely different situation. Somehow he became something
everyone could relate to, the everyman who somehow became a victim of
the system and made some mistakes that *anybody* could have, and
*everybody* has. To forgive Virenque is to forgive yourself. It's a
very, very bizarre French thing that I could not get at all until I came
across him holding court outside the rider's hotel in Macon. The guy is
out there literally kissing babies and signing autographs for hours and
the people eat it up.
Millar has been even more forthcoming than Virenque, but it's a
different situation, a different time, a different country.
I realize I'm not making sense here. None of it made sense until that
day in Macon.
Fred Fredburger
OK. There are many interesting things I don't understand. Thanks for the
explanation, I get part of it.
ilan
> "Fred Fredburger" <Fred.Fredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos> wrote in
> messagenews:4a514657$1...@news.x-privat.org...
I think you're still missing something, those French love Virenque
just because he is French and don't care that much for Millar just
because he's not. This reasoning explains a lot of things about the
French, in particular, how they can love themselves and each other.
-ilan
Mike Jacoubowsky
> >> "redemption" was admitting that he was on EPO during that stage and
> >> giving up his win. I did a bit of research and so far, he's still
> >> listed as having won it.
>
> > Redemption's an awfully funny thing, but Millar seems at least as
> > redeemed as Virenque ever was.
>
> Virenque is an entirely different situation. Somehow he became
> something
> everyone could relate to, the everyman who somehow became a victim of
> the system and made some mistakes that *anybody* could have, and
> *everybody* has. To forgive Virenque is to forgive yourself. It's a
> very, very bizarre French thing that I could not get at all until I
> came
> across him holding court outside the rider's hotel in Macon. The guy
> is
> out there literally kissing babies and signing autographs for hours
> and
> the people eat it up.
>
> Millar has been even more forthcoming than Virenque, but it's a
> different situation, a different time, a different country.
>
> I realize I'm not making sense here. None of it made sense until that
> day in Macon.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
I think you're still missing something, those French love Virenque
just because he is French and don't care that much for Millar just
because he's not. This reasoning explains a lot of things about the
French, in particular, how they can love themselves and each other.
-ilan
=======
I didn't mean to imply that the French would think similarly of someone
not French. Exactly the opposite. In the non-French "West" we don't
build up athletes as mythic figures comparable to Greek gods.
Story-telling and in particular the individual against the world are a
big think in the French press. They look for heroic battles and
agonizing failures, not just winners and losers. The 2nd place guy might
get paid more attention the the person who won.
Millar? All we care about are the comparisons between his doped years
and his clean. And the French care not a whole lot because he's not
French.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"ilan" <ila...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bcd0a351-e8ed-4016...@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
KG
>
> I think you're still missing something, those French love Virenque
> just because he is French and don't care that much for Millar just
> because he's not. This reasoning explains a lot of things about the
> French, in particular, how they can love themselves and each other.
Dumbass -
I dunno 'bout that. I've had some fantastic times w/ French girls.
They didn't love me because I was French.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Davey Crockett
| I think you're still missing something, those French love Virenque
| just because he is French and don't care that much for Millar just
| because he's not. This reasoning explains a lot of things about the
| French, in particular, how they can love themselves and each other.
|
| -ilan
|
The Froggy Hausfraus who Idolized him, didn't give a Monkeys Toss
whether Dickie Charged Up or not.
Nor does anyone else with half a brain.
After all, everybody's doing it. Right?
By the way, who's the chik in the Maglia Rossa?
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0cmK034bAw2zY/340x.jpg
That's Dickie arriving for the screening of "Los Abrazos Rotos (Broken
Embraces)" at the Hollywood Trash get together in Canz six-seven weeks ago.
--
Davey Crockett
-
A gun in the hands of a free man frightens and angers the GOVERNMENT,
not because they fear the power of the gun, but, rather, the spirit of
the man who holds it
Donald Munro
> Nor does anyone else with half a brain.
>
> After all, everybody's doing it. Right?
>
> By the way, who's the chik in the Maglia Rossa?
>
> http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0cmK034bAw2zY/340x.jpg
>
> That's Dickie arriving for the screening of "Los Abrazos Rotos (Broken
> Embraces)" at the Hollywood Trash get together in Canz six-seven weeks
> ago.
Perhaps there's a room for a 'Looking for Richard' at next years
Cannes. After all if Cantona has a market with FM footballers,
surely Virenque has one with plump housewives.
Donald Munro
> I dunno 'bout that. I've had some fantastic times w/ French girls. They
> didn't love me because I was French.
Next thing you'll be telling us you have a large penis which
is guaranteed to get ST and the Berliner into a froth.
ronaldo_jeremiah
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:42:12 -0700 (PDT), ronaldo_jeremiah
>
> >It's a clear case of LANCELOVE. No way that same analysis is given if
> >LANCE isn't involved.
>
> Bullshit. I've heard the same type of analysis given by moto officials
> on a course for 1-2-3 s. You're out there, there is talk on the
> radios, often all you are doing is repeating run-of-the-mill comments
> from people that are on the course for hours and plenty of time to
> come up with stuff. A guy standing in a corner all by himself has a
> lot of time to think about what he is seeing coming up the road.
WTF are you talking about? You don't think that Wilcockson, writing
about a TdF TT, should be writing to a slightly standard than that of
the jawboning done by bored moto officials at a midlevel out-and-back
10? Please.
>
> You have the movie conversation complex - you think everything that
> happens, happens on screen. So there is no room for complexity or
> perspective other than what hits you on the first impression. A
> zealbot of one type or another. You need to stop patting yourself on
> the back so much that you aren't a Lance zealbot - one zealbot is
> pretty much the same as another, other than orientation.
Nah. I don't care all that much about LANCE or any other rider, but I
am interested in the race, and I think it's notable when someone gets
an analysis plainly wrong. His assertion that we can chop a virtual
10s off his time because it was 90 degrees when he rode, while the
contenders rode when it was 80 and there was a breeze, is pretty
ridiculous. No one else would've received that analysis.
-rj
d p chang
> On Jul 5, 8:25 pm, ilan <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think you're still missing something, those French love Virenque
>> just because he is French and don't care that much for Millar just
>> because he's not. This reasoning explains a lot of things about the
>> French, in particular, how they can love themselves and each other.
>
> I dunno 'bout that. I've had some fantastic times w/ French girls.
> They didn't love me because I was French.
maroon, it is the 'cute accent rule' in effect. of course, if you,
virenque, and the girls were all together the internal conflicts might
cause some heads to explode (maybe some on rbr as well).
\p
---
Certainty is generally an illusion, and repose is not the destiny of
man. - Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.
ilan
#1 Virenque girlfriend (by popular vote):
http://www.sportweek.fr/commun/n510x/23/nouvelle-copine-richard-virenque-photographiee-par-as.jpg
-ilan
Michael Press
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
I find it impossible to forgive. Do not know how.
Beginning to think that forgiveness is not up to us.
It happens or does not. Anyway, my grudge is for
every doper who bleats about his doping and how
everybody else is doping. When a guy decides to
dope, he decides to keep it clandestine. He owes
his partners his silence. When caught he can keep
his honor intact by holding his peace. If I ever
find myself forgiving Virenque, Millar, Kohl, ...
I will let you know.
--
Michael Press
Susan Walker
> #1 Virenque girlfriend (by popular vote):
> http://www.sportweek.fr/commun/n510x/23/nouvelle-copine-richard-virenque-photographiee-par-as.jpg
She seems to be rather abundantly endowed (with Y-chromosomes).
ilan
> ilan wrote:
> > #1 Virenque girlfriend (by popular vote):
>
> She seems to be rather abundantly endowed (with Y-chromosomes).
This is so annoying! On any other self-respecting moderated forum, I'd
already have been banned for life for posting pornography (I even got
warned once for calling my female dog a bitch because it can be
interpreted as profanity).
Like I said on Facebook rbr, I'm not ready to participate in a
newsgroup that will accept me as a member, so I will have to quit rbr
at the end of July.
-ilan
Susan Walker
> On Jul 7, 1:11 am, Susan Walker wrote:
>> ilan wrote:
>>> #1 Virenque girlfriend (by popular vote):
>> She seems to be rather abundantly endowed (with Y-chromosomes).
>
> This is so annoying! On any other self-respecting moderated forum, I'd
> already have been banned for life for posting pornography (I even got
> warned once for calling my female dog a bitch because it can be
> interpreted as profanity).
>
> Like I said on Facebook rbr, I'm not ready to participate in a
> newsgroup that will accept me as a member, so I will have to quit rbr
> at the end of July.
But my post was one of disapproval! You know, Y-chromosomes, the kind
the ladies are usually not carrying.
ilan
> ilan wrote:
> > On Jul 7, 1:11 am, Susan Walker wrote:
> >> ilan wrote:
> >>> #1 Virenque girlfriend (by popular vote):
> >> She seems to be rather abundantly endowed (with Y-chromosomes).
>
> > This is so annoying! On any other self-respecting moderated forum, I'd
> > already have been banned for life for posting pornography (I even got
> > warned once for calling my female dog a bitch because it can be
> > interpreted as profanity).
>
> > Like I said on Facebook rbr, I'm not ready to participate in a
> > newsgroup that will accept me as a member, so I will have to quit rbr
> > at the end of July.
>
> But my post was one of disapproval! You know, Y-chromosomes, the kind
> the ladies are usually not carrying.
OK, now that you've explained it, I can see how shocked and outraged
you are (and she does seems a little enhanced now that you mention
it). However, on a modern (non archaic Usenet) forum, other people's
disapproval means that I have to use another IP address to read
responses to my messages.
-ilan
William Asher
I don't call people this usually because it seems gratuitous, but in this
case you've earned it ...
Dumbass:
Stop whining about how you feel too much love because nobody will ostracize
you. Post links to #2 through #10.
Shit or get off the pot.
Thanks.
--
Bill "hates seeing a good start ruined by a poor finish" Asher
p.s. Apparently nobody objects to doping with silicone.
Davey Crockett
| > But my post was one of disapproval! You know, Y-chromosomes, the kind
| > the ladies are usually not carrying.
|
| OK, now that you've explained it, I can see how shocked and outraged
| you are (and she does seems a little enhanced now that you mention
| it). However, on a modern (non archaic Usenet) forum, other people's
| disapproval means that I have to use another IP address to read
| responses to my messages.
|
| -ilan
Well then for sure you'd better not refer to Richard Moussa ben Hassan
Virenque as _Spotted Dick_. (Hoping I got his full name correctly from
Memory)
http://blog.doctissimo.fr/php/blog/Au_cafe_des_delices_2/images/richard_virenque_1.jpg
Your original piccy I think was Jessica Sow, no?
http://www.hln.be/static/FOTO/pe/9/11/14/album_large_446414.jpg
http://www.hln.be/static/FOTO/pe/6/8/11/album_large_446411.jpg
But at least the chick he was with at Canz
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/05/19/ba-france-film-f_0500165622.jpg
didn't wear shoes like this
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/05/20/ba-france-film-f_0500171349.jpg
They belonged to Isabelle Huppert, the President of the Canz Hollywood
Trash Get Together Jury.
Remember Isabelle? She played Violette in Violette Nozi�re. I was always
intrigued by that old court case and she was my fave actress until she
appeared in public in such ridiculous looking garb.
Gonna switch my allegiance to Isabelle Adjani, I think. (La Reine
Margot, Camille Claudel, etc.)
--
Davey Crockett
ilan
> ilan a écrit profondement:
>
> | > But my post was one of disapproval! You know, Y-chromosomes, the kind
> | > the ladies are usually not carrying.
> |
> | OK, now that you've explained it, I can see how shocked and outraged
> | you are (and she does seems a little enhanced now that you mention
> | it). However, on a modern (non archaic Usenet) forum, other people's
> | disapproval means that I have to use another IP address to read
> | responses to my messages.
> |
> | -ilan
>
> Well then for sure you'd better not refer to Richard Moussa ben Hassan
> Virenque as _Spotted Dick_. (Hoping I got his full name correctly from
>
> Your original piccy I think was Jessica Sow, no?http://www.hln.be/static/FOTO/pe/9/11/14/album_large_446414.jpghttp://www.hln.be/static/FOTO/pe/6/8/11/album_large_446411.jpg
>
> But at least the chick he was with at Canzhttp://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/05/19/ba-france-film-f_0500165...
>
> didn't wear shoes like thishttp://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/05/20/ba-france-film-f_0500171...
>
> They belonged to Isabelle Huppert, the President of the Canz Hollywood
> Trash Get Together Jury.
>
> intrigued by that old court case and she was my fave actress until she
> appeared in public in such ridiculous looking garb.
>
> Gonna switch my allegiance to Isabelle Adjani, I think. (La Reine
> Margot, Camille Claudel, etc.)
>
> --
> Davey Crockett
I remember Isabelle Huppert from Les Valseuses, one of her first
movies, but I haven't liked any of her work because it is all
"serious" as in pretentious. Speaking of which, my movie channels on
Orange allowed me to catch the Bertrand Blier movie Calmos which
appears to be completely obscure, even he said that he was totally
embarrassed by it. A festival of his misogyny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RxDbOVt1Yw
-ilan
Davey Crockett
| I remember Isabelle Huppert from Les Valseuses, one of her first
| movies, but I haven't liked any of her work because it is all
| "serious" as in pretentious. Speaking of which, my movie channels on
| Orange allowed me to catch the Bertrand Blier movie Calmos which
| appears to be completely obscure, even he said that he was totally
| embarrassed by it. A festival of his misogyny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RxDbOVt1Yw
|
I saw trailers for Calmos. I don't think I ever saw so many boobz in one
movie.
But I never was a fan of Blier, much preferring Claude Chabrol.
His Madame Bovary, which also featured Huppert incidentally, was
magnificent.
However, I don't have a television and get all my movies via Torrent.
I did have a television for a couple of years recently, but gave it up
as I don't want to spend whatever time I have left staring at an Idiot
Box betting with myself at what kilometer the break will get caught.
I didn't even ride over to Monaco to see the start or up to Grasse to
see Stage 1 -- I just lost interest in following the Tour very closely
after being a loyal supporter for 62 years now. ;)
--
Davey Crockett
Robert Chung
Wonder if her voice is lower than Virenque's.
Donald Munro
> I did have a television for a couple of years recently, but gave it up as
> I don't want to spend whatever time I have left staring at an Idiot Box
> betting with myself at what kilometer the break will get caught.
Ilan's tv fell out of a window in his small apartment.
Donald Munro
> Shit or get off the pot.
Shirley you mean:
SHIT OR GET OFF THE POT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cur...@the-md-russells.org
Damn, the advantages of being short, as opposed to 6'2". I'd have to
really lean over to get the same view. He's eye level with the assets.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...