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Alexander Bartolich  
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 More options Aug 9 2010, 2:21 am
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups.proposals, rec.bicycles.off-road, rec.bicycles.misc
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
From: Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartol...@gmx.at>
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 02:21:58 EDT
Local: Mon, Aug 9 2010 2:21 am
Subject: Moderator Vacancy Investigation: rec.bicycles.off-road
              MODERATOR VACANCY INVESTIGATION (MVI)
              moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road

This is a formal Moderator Vacancy Investigation (MVI), begun because
moderated newsgroup rec.bicycles.off-road is not functioning,
and may have been abandoned by its moderator(s).

This investigation will attempt to verify the reasons for non-function,
and may result in the removal of the group or the selection and instal-
lation of a new moderator.  In practice, the Big-8 Management Board
considers the third alternative--changing the status of the group from
moderated to unmoderated--as likely to cause more harm than good.

RATIONALE:

According to Google's archive the last regular post was approved on
2007-07-18. A probe message resulted in a bounce.

<rec-bicycles-off-r...@moderators.isc.org>: host
    moderators.switch.ch[130.59.1.10] said: 550 Unrouteable address
    (in reply to RCPT TO command)

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

rec.bicycles.off-road   Moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated)

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.bicycles.off-road
rec.bicycles.misc

CHARTER OF REC.BICYCLES.OFF-ROAD

rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to
provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement)
bicyclists.  The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt,
grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road
use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.)
Dicussion might include (but not limited to):

        Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling
        Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling
        Trail Issues
                -access/closure
                -maintenance
        Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles
                -preparation
                -camping skills
                -responsibilities to the environment
                -equipment options or combinations
                -overnight vs day use trips
                -etiquette
        Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions
        (technically and eco-sensitively)
                -tree roots
                -sand
                -microbiotic crust
                -loose steep climbs, etc.
        Off-road biking magazines and other off-road biking media
                coverage  
        Where, when, and how to ride off road

Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject
for discussion.  However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains
other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged
to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder
audience.

Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace.
Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item
is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists.

Rec.bicycles.off-road will:

        1.  Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus
            off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns.

        2.  Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care
            for and respect the backcounty/bush.

        3.  Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share
            concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush.

In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open
discussion on aspects of off-road.

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

rec.bicycles.off-road is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for
creation by 367:26 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 10 Feb 1998.

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartol...@gmx.at>

PROCEDURE:

Those who wish to comment on this moderator vacancy investigation should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant
threads in that newsgroup.  

To this end, the followup header of this MVI has been set to
news.groups.proposals.

For more information on the MVI process, please see

http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Moderator_Vacancy_Investigations

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-05-20      Probe post
2010-08-09      Moderator Vacancy Investigation

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Discussion subject changed to "1st RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove)" by Alexander Bartolich
Alexander Bartolich  
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 More options Aug 23 2010, 1:52 am
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups.proposals, rec.bicycles.off-road, rec.bicycles.misc
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
From: Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartol...@gmx.at>
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 01:52:49 EDT
Local: Mon, Aug 23 2010 1:52 am
Subject: 1st RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove)
              REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
              moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove moderated
newsgroup rec.bicycles.off-road.

RATIONALE:

According to Google's archive the last regular post was approved on
2007-07-18. A probe message resulted in a bounce.

<rec-bicycles-off-r...@moderators.isc.org>: host
    moderators.switch.ch[130.59.1.10] said: 550 Unrouteable address
    (in reply to RCPT TO command)

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

rec.bicycles.off-road   Moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated)

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.bicycles.off-road
rec.bicycles.misc

CHARTER OF REC.BICYCLES.OFF-ROAD

rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to
provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement)
bicyclists.  The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt,
grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road
use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.)
Dicussion might include (but not limited to):

        Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling
        Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling
        Trail Issues
                -access/closure
                -maintenance
        Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles
                -preparation
                -camping skills
                -responsibilities to the environment
                -equipment options or combinations
                -overnight vs day use trips
                -etiquette
        Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions
        (technically and eco-sensitively)
                -tree roots
                -sand
                -microbiotic crust
                -loose steep climbs, etc.
        Off-road biking magazines and other off-road biking media
                coverage  
        Where, when, and how to ride off road

Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject
for discussion.  However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains
other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged
to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder
audience.

Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace.
Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item
is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists.

Rec.bicycles.off-road will:

        1.  Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus
            off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns.

        2.  Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care
            for and respect the backcounty/bush.

        3.  Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share
            concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush.

In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open
discussion on aspects of off-road.

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

rec.bicycles.off-road is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for
creation by 367:26 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 10 Feb 1998.

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartol...@gmx.at>

PROCEDURE:

Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads
in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.

In the course of the removal process four formal announcements are posted
(MVI, 1st RFD, 2nd RFD, and LCC), each taking two weeks. At the end of the
process the B8MB will vote on the issue.

Available options for rec.bicycles.off-road are:
- leave the group as it is
- remove the group

For more information on the removal process, please see

http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Group_Removal_FAQ

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-05-20      Probe post
2010-08-09      Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-08-23      1st RFD

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Discussion subject changed to "2nd RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove)" by Alexander Bartolich
Alexander Bartolich  
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 More options Sep 6 2010, 11:41 am
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups.proposals, rec.bicycles.off-road, rec.bicycles.misc
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
From: Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartol...@gmx.at>
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:41:48 EDT
Local: Mon, Sep 6 2010 11:41 am
Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove)
              REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
              moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove moderated
newsgroup rec.bicycles.off-road.

RATIONALE:

According to Google's archive the last regular post was approved on
2007-07-18. A probe message resulted in a bounce.

<rec-bicycles-off-r...@moderators.isc.org>: host
    moderators.switch.ch[130.59.1.10] said: 550 Unrouteable address
    (in reply to RCPT TO command)

"The Real Bev" says that he/she would be happy to do the moderation
if somebody else provided the setup. Steve Bonine sees no evidence
that a group of people exists in Usenet who are interested in the
topic.

>Message-ID: <i5v8ql$vv...@news.eternal-september.org>
>Message-ID: <8ehlmvF53...@mid.individual.net>

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

rec.bicycles.off-road   Moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated)

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.bicycles.off-road
rec.bicycles.misc

CHARTER OF REC.BICYCLES.OFF-ROAD

rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to
provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement)
bicyclists.  The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt,
grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road
use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.)
Dicussion might include (but not limited to):

        Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling
        Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling
        Trail Issues
                -access/closure
                -maintenance
        Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles
                -preparation
                -camping skills
                -responsibilities to the environment
                -equipment options or combinations
                -overnight vs day use trips
                -etiquette
        Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions
        (technically and eco-sensitively)
                -tree roots
                -sand
                -microbiotic crust
                -loose steep climbs, etc.
        Off-road biking magazines and other off-road biking media
                coverage  
        Where, when, and how to ride off road

Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject
for discussion.  However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains
other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged
to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder
audience.

Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace.
Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item
is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists.

Rec.bicycles.off-road will:

        1.  Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus
            off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns.

        2.  Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care
            for and respect the backcounty/bush.

        3.  Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share
            concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush.

In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open
discussion on aspects of off-road.

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

rec.bicycles.off-road is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for
creation by 367:26 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 10 Feb 1998.

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartol...@gmx.at>

PROCEDURE:

Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads
in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.

In the course of the removal process four formal announcements are posted
(MVI, 1st RFD, 2nd RFD, and LCC), each taking two weeks. At the end of the
process the B8MB will vote on the issue.

Available options for rec.bicycles.off-road are:
- leave the group as it is
- remove the group

For more information on the removal process, please see

http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Group_Removal_FAQ

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-05-20      Probe post
2010-08-09      Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-08-23      1st RFD
2010-09-06      2nd

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Discussion subject changed to "RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS" by Big-8 Management Board
Big-8 Management Board  
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 More options Oct 2 2010, 8:27 am
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups.proposals, rec.bicycles.off-road, rec.bicycles.misc
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
From: Big-8 Management Board <bo...@big-8.org>
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 08:27:46 EDT
Local: Sat, Oct 2 2010 8:27 am
Subject: RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS
              REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
              moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove moderated
newsgroup rec.bicycles.off-road.

RATIONALE:

According to Google's archive the last regular post was approved on
2007-07-18. A probe message resulted in a bounce.

<rec-bicycles-off-r...@moderators.isc.org>: host
    moderators.switch.ch[130.59.1.10] said: 550 Unrouteable address
    (in reply to RCPT TO command)

"The Real Bev" says that he/she would be happy to do the moderation
if somebody else provided the setup. Steve Bonine sees no evidence
that a group of people exists in Usenet who are interested in the
topic.

>Message-ID: <i5v8ql$vv...@news.eternal-september.org>
>Message-ID: <8ehlmvF53...@mid.individual.net>

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

rec.bicycles.off-road   Moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated)

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.bicycles.off-road
rec.bicycles.misc

CHARTER OF REC.BICYCLES.OFF-ROAD

rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to
provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement)
bicyclists.  The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt,
grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road
use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.)
Dicussion might include (but not limited to):

        Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling
        Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling
        Trail Issues
                -access/closure
                -maintenance
        Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles
                -preparation
                -camping skills
                -responsibilities to the environment
                -equipment options or combinations
                -overnight vs day use trips
                -etiquette
        Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions
        (technically and eco-sensitively)
                -tree roots
                -sand
                -microbiotic crust
                -loose steep climbs, etc.
        Off-road biking magazines and other off-road biking media
                coverage  
        Where, when, and how to ride off road

Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject
for discussion.  However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains
other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged
to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder
audience.

Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace.
Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item
is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists.

Rec.bicycles.off-road will:

        1.  Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus
            off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns.

        2.  Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care
            for and respect the backcounty/bush.

        3.  Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share
            concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush.

In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open
discussion on aspects of off-road.

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

rec.bicycles.off-road is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for
creation by 367:26 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 10 Feb 1998.

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartol...@gmx.at>

PROCEDURE:

Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads
in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.

In the course of the removal process four formal announcements are posted
(MVI, 1st RFD, 2nd RFD, and LCC), each taking two weeks. At the end of the
process the B8MB will vote on the issue.

Available options for rec.bicycles.off-road are:
- leave the group as it is
- remove the group

For more information on the removal process, please see

http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Group_Removal_FAQ

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-05-20      Probe post
2010-08-09      Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-08-23      1st RFD
2010-09-06      2nd RFD
2010-10-02      LCC

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Discussion subject changed to "3rd RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove)" by Alexander Bartolich
Alexander Bartolich  
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 More options Dec 26 2010, 11:51 am
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups.proposals, rec.bicycles.off-road, rec.bicycles.tech, rec.bicycles.racing
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
From: Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartol...@gmx.at>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:51:11 EST
Local: Sun, Dec 26 2010 11:51 am
Subject: 3rd RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove)
              REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
              moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove moderated
newsgroup rec.bicycles.off-road.

RATIONALE:

According to Google's archive the last regular post was approved on
2007-07-18. A probe message resulted in a bounce.

<rec-bicycles-off-r...@moderators.isc.org>: host
    moderators.switch.ch[130.59.1.10] said: 550 Unrouteable address
    (in reply to RCPT TO command)

"The Real Bev" says that he/she would be happy to do the moderation
if somebody else provided the setup. Steve Bonine sees no evidence
that a group of people exists in Usenet who are interested in the
topic.

>Message-ID: <i5v8ql$vv...@news.eternal-september.org>
>Message-ID: <8ehlmvF53...@mid.individual.net>

The discussion following the LCC brought up concerns that most users
of rec.bicycles.* might be unaware of this proposal. It was suggested
that further RFDs should be crossposted to all groups of the sub-hier-
archy. However, this would certainly encounter limitations imposed by
typical filter setups. As a compromise this RFD is crossposted to the
two groups with the most traffic, RBT and RBR, instead of RBM.

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

rec.bicycles.off-road   Moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated)

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.bicycles.off-road
rec.bicycles.tech
rec.bicycles.racing

CHARTER OF REC.BICYCLES.OFF-ROAD

rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to
provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement)
bicyclists.  The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt,
grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road
use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.)
Dicussion might include (but not limited to):

        Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling
        Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling
        Trail Issues
                -access/closure
                -maintenance
        Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles
                -preparation
                -camping skills
                -responsibilities to the environment
                -equipment options or combinations
                -overnight vs day use trips
                -etiquette
        Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions
        (technically and eco-sensitively)
                -tree roots
                -sand
                -microbiotic crust
                -loose steep climbs, etc.
        Off-road biking magazines and other off-road biking media
                coverage  
        Where, when, and how to ride off road

Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject
for discussion.  However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains
other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged
to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder
audience.

Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace.
Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item
is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists.

Rec.bicycles.off-road will:

        1.  Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus
            off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns.

        2.  Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care
            for and respect the backcounty/bush.

        3.  Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share
            concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush.

In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open
discussion on aspects of off-road.

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

rec.bicycles.off-road is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for
creation by 367:26 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 10 Feb 1998.

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartol...@gmx.at>

PROCEDURE:

Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads
in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.

In the course of the removal process four formal announcements are posted
(MVI, 1st RFD, 2nd RFD, and LCC), each taking two weeks. At the end of the
process the B8MB will vote on the issue.

Available options for rec.bicycles.off-road are:
- leave the group as it is
- remove the group

For more information on the removal process, please see

http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Group_Removal_FAQ

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-05-20      Probe post
2010-08-09      Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-08-23      1st RFD
2010-09-06      2nd RFD
2010-10-02      LCC
2010-12-26      4th RFD

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Discussion subject changed to "RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS" by Big-8 Management Board
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 More options Jan 16 2011, 10:49 pm
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups.proposals, rec.bicycles.off-road, rec.bicycles.tech, rec.bicycles.racing
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
From: Big-8 Management Board <bo...@big-8.org>
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:49:19 EST
Local: Sun, Jan 16 2011 10:49 pm
Subject: RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS
              REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
              moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove moderated
newsgroup rec.bicycles.off-road.

RATIONALE:

According to Google's archive the last regular post was approved on
2007-07-18. A probe message resulted in a bounce.

<rec-bicycles-off-r...@moderators.isc.org>: host
    moderators.switch.ch[130.59.1.10] said: 550 Unrouteable address
    (in reply to RCPT TO command)

"The Real Bev" says that he/she would be happy to do the moderation
if somebody else provided the setup. Steve Bonine sees no evidence
that a group of people exists in Usenet who are interested in the
topic.

>Message-ID: <i5v8ql$vv...@news.eternal-september.org>
>Message-ID: <8ehlmvF53...@mid.individual.net>

The discussion following the LCC brought up concerns that most users
of rec.bicycles.* might be unaware of this proposal. It was suggested
that further RFDs should be crossposted to all groups of the sub-hier-
archy. However, this would certainly encounter limitations imposed by
typical filter setups. As a compromise this RFD is crossposted to the
two groups with the most traffic, RBT and RBR, instead of RBM.

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

rec.bicycles.off-road   Moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated)

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.bicycles.off-road
rec.bicycles.tech
rec.bicycles.racing

CHARTER OF REC.BICYCLES.OFF-ROAD

rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to
provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement)
bicyclists.  The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt,
grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road
use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.)
Dicussion might include (but not limited to):

        Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling
        Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling
        Trail Issues
                -access/closure
                -maintenance
        Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles
                -preparation
                -camping skills
                -responsibilities to the environment
                -equipment options or combinations
                -overnight vs day use trips
                -etiquette
        Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions
        (technically and eco-sensitively)
                -tree roots
                -sand
                -microbiotic crust
                -loose steep climbs, etc.
        Off-road biking magazines and other off-road biking media
                coverage  
        Where, when, and how to ride off road

Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject
for discussion.  However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains
other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged
to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder
audience.

Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace.
Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item
is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists.

Rec.bicycles.off-road will:

        1.  Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus
            off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns.

        2.  Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care
            for and respect the backcounty/bush.

        3.  Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share
            concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush.

In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open
discussion on aspects of off-road.

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

rec.bicycles.off-road is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for
creation by 367:26 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 10 Feb 1998.

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartol...@gmx.at>

PROCEDURE:

Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads
in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.

In the course of the removal process four formal announcements are posted
(MVI, 1st RFD, 2nd RFD, and LCC), each taking two weeks. At the end of the
process the B8MB will vote on the issue.

Available options for rec.bicycles.off-road are:
- leave the group as it is
- remove the group

For more information on the removal process, please see

http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Group_Removal_FAQ

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-05-20      Probe post
2010-08-09      Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-08-23      1st RFD
2010-09-06      2nd RFD
2010-10-02      3rd RFD
2010-12-26      4th RFD
2011-01-16      LCC

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Discussion subject changed to "RESULT: rec.bicycles.off-road will be removed" by Big-8 Management Board
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 More options Jan 23 2011, 6:14 am
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups.proposals, rec.bicycles.off-road, rec.bicycles.tech, rec.bicycles.racing
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
From: Big-8 Management Board <bo...@big-8.org>
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:14:54 EST
Local: Sun, Jan 23 2011 6:14 am
Subject: RESULT: rec.bicycles.off-road will be removed
                             RESULT
              rec.bicycles.off-road will be removed

The Last Call for Comments (LCC) on 2011-01-16 initiated a five-day
period for final comments.  Following this comment period, the Big-8
Management Board has decided by consensus to remove moderated group
rec.bicycles.off-road.

RATIONALE:

According to Google's archive the last regular post was approved on
2007-07-18. A probe message resulted in a bounce.

<rec-bicycles-off-r...@moderators.isc.org>: host
    moderators.switch.ch[130.59.1.10] said: 550 Unrouteable address
    (in reply to RCPT TO command)

"The Real Bev" says that he/she would be happy to do the moderation
if somebody else provided the setup. Steve Bonine sees no evidence
that a group of people exists in Usenet who are interested in the
topic.

>Message-ID: <i5v8ql$vv...@news.eternal-september.org>
>Message-ID: <8ehlmvF53...@mid.individual.net>

The discussion following the LCC brought up concerns that most users
of rec.bicycles.* might be unaware of this proposal. It was suggested
that further RFDs should be crossposted to all groups of the sub-hier-
archy. However, this would certainly encounter limitations imposed by
typical filter setups. As a compromise this RFD is crossposted to the
two groups with the most traffic, RBT and RBR, instead of RBM.

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

rec.bicycles.off-road   Moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated)

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.bicycles.off-road
rec.bicycles.tech
rec.bicycles.racing

CHARTER OF REC.BICYCLES.OFF-ROAD

rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to
provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement)
bicyclists.  The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt,
grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road
use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.)
Dicussion might include (but not limited to):

        Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling
        Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling
        Trail Issues
                -access/closure
                -maintenance
        Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles
                -preparation
                -camping skills
                -responsibilities to the environment
                -equipment options or combinations
                -overnight vs day use trips
                -etiquette
        Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions
        (technically and eco-sensitively)
                -tree roots
                -sand
                -microbiotic crust
                -loose steep climbs, etc.
        Off-road biking magazines and other off-road biking media
                coverage  
        Where, when, and how to ride off road

Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject
for discussion.  However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains
other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged
to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder
audience.

Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace.
Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item
is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists.

Rec.bicycles.off-road will:

        1.  Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus
            off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns.

        2.  Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care
            for and respect the backcounty/bush.

        3.  Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share
            concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush.

In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open
discussion on aspects of off-road.

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

rec.bicycles.off-road is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for
creation by 367:26 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 10 Feb 1998.

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartol...@gmx.at>

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-05-20      Probe post
2010-08-09      Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-08-23      1st RFD
2010-09-06      2nd RFD
2010-10-02      3rd RFD
2010-12-26      4th RFD
2011-01-16      LCC
2011-01-23      RESULT

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