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From: Joe Riel <j...@san.rr.com>
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Subject: Re: Signs of progress
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Phil W Lee <p...@lee-family.me.uk> writes:

> Frank Krygowski <frkrygowREM...@gEEmail.com> considered Sat, 28 Jul
> 2012 11:39:30 -0400 the perfect time to write:
>
>>(PeteCresswell) wrote:
>>> Per Dan O:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ... from a progressive city:
>>>>
>>>> http://bikeportland.org/2012/07/26/pbot-set-to-roll-out-new-20-mph-signs-74891
>>>
>>> In the areas I drive, nobody.... that is *NOBODY* drives at the
>>> speed limit.
>>>
>>> Ok, occasionally one sees somebody that is either obviously
>>> impaired and/or is driving a defective vehicle... but that's 1 on
>>> a thousand.
>>>
>>> The slowest drivers are holding 5 mph over the posted limit.
>>>
>>> That being the case, it seems to me like what they really want
>>> there is 15 mph limits.
>>
>>Seems to me that speed limit signs wouldn't work as well as traffic 
>>calming devices like, say, speed humps.  As discussed around here in 
>>years past, they seem to work in a couple residential neighborhoods 
>>around here that used to suffer from fast cut-through traffic. And I saw 
>>quite a few similar things recently in France.  They didn't cause me any 
>>grief while cycling.
>>
>>Anybody here with more experience with them?
>
> Humps and chicanes lead to drivers swerving around endangering more
> vulnerable road users.
> Cameras (particularly the average speed variety) are better by far,
> and are quickly paid for by voluntary contribution :)

Why swerve for a speed bump?  The ones I've seen go completely across
the road; anything else would ludicrous.  They do seem more effective
than a sign/fine for reducing the effective speed limit, however, I'm
not wild about them.  There were a few on a commute I cycled for a few
years and riding over them was a minor nuisance.  I might appreciate
them more if I lived near one.

-- 
Joe Riel