>>(PeteCresswell) wrote:
>>> Per Dan O:

>>>> ... from a progressive city:

>>>> http://bikeportland.org/2012/07/26/pbot-set-to-roll-out-new-20-mph-si...

>>> In the areas I drive, nobody.... that is *NOBODY* drives at the
>>> speed limit.

>>> Ok, occasionally one sees somebody that is either obviously
>>> impaired and/or is driving a defective vehicle... but that's 1 on
>>> a thousand.

>>> The slowest drivers are holding 5 mph over the posted limit.

>>> That being the case, it seems to me like what they really want
>>> there is 15 mph limits.

>>Seems to me that speed limit signs wouldn't work as well as traffic
>>calming devices like, say, speed humps.  As discussed around here in
>>years past, they seem to work in a couple residential neighborhoods
>>around here that used to suffer from fast cut-through traffic. And I saw
>>quite a few similar things recently in France.  They didn't cause me any
>>grief while cycling.

>>Anybody here with more experience with them?

> Humps and chicanes lead to drivers swerving around endangering more
> vulnerable road users.
> Cameras (particularly the average speed variety) are better by far,
> and are quickly paid for by voluntary contribution :)