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Dane Buson

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Jun 23, 2007, 2:43:06 PM6/23/07
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I went out on a bike ride with some friends to Issaquah Thursday. We
went to a restaurant and had some food and what-not. Afterwards about
half of us went to a park and the other half split off to ride directly
back to Seattle. We hung about for a little bit and chit-chatted on the
beach and admired the moonlight over the lake on the shortest night of
the year.

After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our
bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the
road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice
round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning
and did a face plant.

I landed on my chin quite nicely. My friends pulled out a first aid kit
and taped some gauze over my injuries and gave me some Advils. Given we
were about 20 miles from my home, they called a cab, tried to keep me
warm and cheered up.

I got home, dropped off all my things and told my wife I was headed to
the ER. After that was the longest night at the ER I've ever spent. Stitches
internally in my chin, another layer of stitches on top of that, stitches
inside my bottom lip [1]. No concussion, no fractured jaw bones, etc.

My only real kvetch with the hospital is that they prescribed me
hydrocodone. My brother and I are the unlucky 3% of the population that
a lot of opiates don't do jack for (I don't even get a tiny buzz or
anything). They are pretty much exactly like taking 2 tylenol... because
they use tylenol as part of the mix.

I mentioned it to the physician but was too tired to argue with her. I
know she thought I was trying to argue for a 'stronger' drug or
something. No you silly bint! I was trying to argue for a *different*
drug family.

Bah.

I do have some dental damage. Two teeth are chipped on the edges and I
expect (hope) she can just build them back up. The middle one... not so
good. I have 1PM appointment with the dentist, so I'll be leaving for
that in a little bit.

I'm doing better now I managed some sleep, some chocolate ice cream and
what-not. I'm posting from the comforts of bed via wifi.

Later after I get back from the dentist it will be time to catch up on
my British comedy shows I guess.

[0] We had lights, but there were a lot of us, and I was chit chatting
with the people I was talking to. I'm going to say the main cause
of the wreck was inattention on my part. :-(
[1] The Maxilo-facial doctor at First hill Swedish was awesome. The
regular ER guy at Cherry Hill Swedish was okay, but they were slow
as dirt.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org
As for the historical record of the execution of this rabble-rousing
carpenter, well, he wasn't all that important to them at the time.
Just another subversive, though not so blatant about it as, say, the
Maccabees. Executed with some petty thieves; do we know _their_ names?
From: mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews)

Neil Brooks

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Jun 23, 2007, 2:55:06 PM6/23/07
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:43:06 -0700, Dane Buson <da...@unseen.edu>
wrote, in part:

>After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our
>bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the
>road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice
>round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning
>and did a face plant.

Heal fast, fully, and painlessly.

These things simply CAN happen ... in the (figurative and literal)
blink of an eye. This was just $hit luck on your part.

Dilaudid are kinda' cool ... and Zoot has some other remedies that he
might be willing to share ;-)

Take care,

Neil

Ozark Bicycle

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Jun 23, 2007, 3:50:48 PM6/23/07
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Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Dane.

Zoot Katz

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Jun 23, 2007, 4:31:53 PM6/23/07
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:55:06 GMT, Neil Brooks <neil...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>Dilaudid are kinda' cool ... and Zoot has some other remedies that he
>might be willing to share ;-)


Dental pain responds well to Old Bushmill's, neat.

Enough of it makes Britsih comedy somewhat more understandable.
--
zk

Bill Sornson

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Jun 23, 2007, 5:11:11 PM6/23/07
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Great writeup of a not-so-great (sucky city) event. Heal quickly and fully!

Bill "good news is face stuff heals fast usually" S.


Paul Myron Hobson

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Jun 23, 2007, 5:17:48 PM6/23/07
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Dane Buson wrote:
...

> I landed on my chin quite nicely. My friends pulled out a first aid kit
> and taped some gauze over my injuries and gave me some Advils. Given we
> were about 20 miles from my home, they called a cab, tried to keep me
> warm and cheered up.

...

> Later after I get back from the dentist it will be time to catch up on
> my British comedy shows I guess.
>
> [0] We had lights, but there were a lot of us, and I was chit chatting
> with the people I was talking to. I'm going to say the main cause
> of the wreck was inattention on my part. :-(
> [1] The Maxilo-facial doctor at First hill Swedish was awesome. The
> regular ER guy at Cherry Hill Swedish was okay, but they were slow
> as dirt.

Yikes. Glad your ok. Take 'er easy and get better fast!
\\paul

Joe S.

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Jun 23, 2007, 5:21:17 PM6/23/07
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"Dane Buson" <da...@unseen.edu> wrote in message
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>I went out on a bike ride with some friends to Issaquah Thursday. We
> went to a restaurant and had some food and what-not. Afterwards about
> half of us went to a park and the other half split off to ride directly
> back to Seattle. We hung about for a little bit and chit-chatted on the
> beach and admired the moonlight over the lake on the shortest night of
> the year.
>
> After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our
> bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the
> road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice
> round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning
> and did a face plant.
>
> I landed on my chin quite nicely. My friends pulled out a first aid kit
> and taped some gauze over my injuries and gave me some Advils. Given we
> were about 20 miles from my home, they called a cab, tried to keep me
> warm and cheered up.
>
> I got home, dropped off all my things and told my wife I was headed to
> the ER. After that was the longest night at the ER I've ever spent.
> Stitches
> internally in my chin, another layer of stitches on top of that, stitches
> inside my bottom lip [1]. No concussion, no fractured jaw bones, etc.
>
> My only real kvetch with the hospital is that they prescribed me
> hydrocodone.


TAKE IT AND DEMAND A REFILL!! You can sell the hydrocodone on the street
for the price of a REALLY nice bike.

DI

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Jun 23, 2007, 5:28:31 PM6/23/07
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"Dane Buson" <da...@unseen.edu> wrote in message
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I had a similar faceplant about a month ago, also from inattention, was
riding on a paved trail with my hands resting on top of the bar grips,
turned to look backwards, one hand slipped off, the other turned the bars
and instantly I went over the bars. My face was all bruised and scraped
but healed in a couple of weeks. My knee must have twisted badly, because
when I got home and in the shower it instantly swelled to about a grapefruit
size, off to the ER, no fractures just a sprain. It's still not completely
back to normal after a month, but I can use it. Knee injuries are very
painful.


Neil Brooks

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Jun 23, 2007, 5:37:48 PM6/23/07
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:21:17 -0400, "Joe S." <non...@nosuch.net>
wrote:

>TAKE IT AND DEMAND A REFILL!! You can sell the hydrocodone on the street
>for the price of a REALLY nice bike.

I heard something like $10/pill for Vicodin. 'zat true??

I just want some Ortlieb panniers. That shouldn't be so hard....

DI

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Jun 23, 2007, 5:45:10 PM6/23/07
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"Neil Brooks" <neil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I flushed about 20 of them down the sewer a couple of weeks ago, took 3 or 4
when my knee was screwed up and didn't like the feel they left.


Frank Drackman

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Jun 23, 2007, 6:59:07 PM6/23/07
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"Dane Buson" <da...@unseen.edu> wrote in message
news:q660l4-...@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org...
>I went out on a bike ride with some friends to Issaquah Thursday. We
> went to a restaurant and had some food and what-not. Afterwards about
> half of us went to a park and the other half split off to ride directly
> back to Seattle. We hung about for a little bit and chit-chatted on the
> beach and admired the moonlight over the lake on the shortest night of
> the year.
>
> After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our
> bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the
> road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice
> round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning
> and did a face plant.
>


I hope that you heal quickly with no long-term damage.

"I'm guessing I hit a nice round branch or bottle or something" I am
thinking that you probably got some twine caught in the drivetrain.


Chalo

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Jun 23, 2007, 7:37:52 PM6/23/07
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Dane Buson wrote:
>
> I went down with no warning and did a face plant.
...

> I landed on my chin quite nicely.

Arrgh! That sucks, man. I feel your pain-- or rather, I remember my
own pain upon thinking about yours.

My big faceplant left me looking like an extra from The Simpsons for a
little while, then looking like a toothless hillbilly for a year. I
was so punch-drunk after the accident that I called the EMT "sweetie",
to which she snapped, "I'm not your sweetie!" It seems funnier now
that it did at the time.

I now have gum disease that I attribute largely to my extensive,
expensive bridgework. That was no fun. I'll never forget the
"crunch" sound in my skull when the ER physician jammed a couple of
disembodied teeth back into my shattered gums, or the joy of having an
occasional bone fragment work its way to the surface over the
following couple of years. (I had to tweeze them out of my gums like
rough and jagged splinters.)

On the plus side, it looks like you fared substantially better than I
did. I think you'll have to settle for lame consolations like that
for the time being.

3 to 4 ibuprofens with food, or 2 naproxens with food, should be a
substitute for hydrocodone that you can get over the counter. Spirits
are also good-- but if you use alcohol, you should lower the dosage of
any NSAIDs you are taking. You need your liver even more than you
need your teeth, as it turns out.

Chalo

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman

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Jun 23, 2007, 7:47:07 PM6/23/07
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On Jun 23, 4:45 pm, "DI" wrote:
> "Neil Brooks" wrote:

> > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:21:17 -0400, "Joe S." wrote:
>
> >>TAKE IT AND DEMAND A REFILL!! You can sell the hydrocodone on the street
> >>for the price of a REALLY nice bike.
>
> > I heard something like $10/pill for Vicodin. 'zat true??
>
> > I just want some Ortlieb panniers. That shouldn't be so hard....
>
> I flushed about 20 of them down the sewer a couple of weeks ago, took 3 or 4
> when my knee was screwed up and didn't like the feel they left.

That must be some toilet, if it can handle 20 Ortlieb panniers!

I would not expect eating Ortlieb panniers to help with knee pain
either.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful


ri...@elevengear.us

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Jun 23, 2007, 8:11:01 PM6/23/07
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Ooh Ouch and no opiates! That sucks. Here's to hoping you heal well!

In the 80s I crashed on my face in the tour of Guatemala and got these
impressively large blue stitches from an army doctor in fatigues.
While they were healing I compared notes back then with Davis Phinney
who had recently (at that time) flown face-first into the back of a
support vehicle in France. He told me that shaving helped reduce the
scarring. I know that sounds counterintuitive. I'm talking well after
the face heals (stops seeping, etc). Perhaps the shaving helps
regenerate the surface skin cells. So when it's prudent to do so,
consider shaving. Anyway good luck. Hope you get back riding soon.

Best,

-Rick


idomybestw...@hotmail.com

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Jun 23, 2007, 8:26:27 PM6/23/07
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On Jun 24, 4:43 am, Dane Buson <d...@unseen.edu> wrote:
> I went out on a bike ride with some friends to Issaquah Thursday. We
> went to a restaurant and had some food and what-not.

Some more of the 'what-not' could have helped with the pain (it wasn't
the cause, was it?). ;-)

Donga

DI

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Jun 23, 2007, 8:41:33 PM6/23/07
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"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunset...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Oh Well, can't expect everyone to understand logic. Sorry I didn't delete
the last line of the OP, but I just thought most people had a thought chain
beyond 2 sentences.


Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman

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Jun 23, 2007, 8:58:28 PM6/23/07
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On Jun 23, 7:41 pm, "DI" who? wrote:
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote in messagenews:1182642427.1...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>
> > On Jun 23, 4:45 pm, "DI" wrote:
> >> "Neil Brooks" wrote:
> >> > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:21:17 -0400, "Joe S." wrote:
>
> >> >>TAKE IT AND DEMAND A REFILL!! You can sell the hydrocodone on the
> >> >>street
> >> >>for the price of a REALLY nice bike.
>
> >> > I heard something like $10/pill for Vicodin. 'zat true??
>
> >> > I just want some Ortlieb panniers. That shouldn't be so hard....
>
> >> I flushed about 20 of them down the sewer a couple of weeks ago, took 3
> >> or 4
> >> when my knee was screwed up and didn't like the feel they left.
>
> > That must be some toilet, if it can handle 20 Ortlieb panniers!
>
> > I would not expect eating Ortlieb panniers to help with knee pain
> > either.
>
> Oh Well, can't expect everyone to understand logic. Sorry I didn't delete
> the last line of the OP, but I just thought most people had a thought chain
> beyond 2 sentences.

Class - today's lesson is the proper use of indefinite pronouns.

Bill Sornson

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Jun 23, 2007, 9:00:26 PM6/23/07
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DI wrote:
> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunset...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:1182642427.1...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 23, 4:45 pm, "DI" wrote:
>>> "Neil Brooks" wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:21:17 -0400, "Joe S." wrote:
>>>
>>>>> TAKE IT AND DEMAND A REFILL!! You can sell the hydrocodone on
>>>>> the street
>>>>> for the price of a REALLY nice bike.
>>>
>>>> I heard something like $10/pill for Vicodin. 'zat true??
>>>
>>>> I just want some Ortlieb panniers. That shouldn't be so hard....
>>>>
{mmmmmmmffffffffffttttttt}

>>>
>>> I flushed about 20 of them down the sewer a couple of weeks ago,
>>> took 3 or 4
>>> when my knee was screwed up and didn't like the feel they left.

>> That must be some toilet, if it can handle 20 Ortlieb panniers!

Oy. (OK, it wasn't bad.)

>> I would not expect eating Ortlieb panniers to help with knee pain
>> either.

Oy. (OK, stretching a bit.)

> Oh Well, can't expect everyone to understand logic. Sorry I didn't
> delete the last line of the OP, but I just thought most people had a
> thought chain beyond 2 sentences.

Ol' Johnny was being FUNNY, DI. I didn't take it as directed at you (except
in fun) at all.

Bill "prior restraint (can't explain)" S.


Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman

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Jun 23, 2007, 10:03:09 PM6/23/07
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On Jun 23, 8:00 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
> DI wrote:
> > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote in
> > messagenews:1182642427.1...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> >> On Jun 23, 4:45 pm, "DI" wrote:
> >>> "Neil Brooks" wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:21:17 -0400, "Joe S." wrote:
>
> >>>>> TAKE IT AND DEMAND A REFILL!! You can sell the hydrocodone on
> >>>>> the street
> >>>>> for the price of a REALLY nice bike.
>
> >>>> I heard something like $10/pill for Vicodin. 'zat true??
>
> >>>> I just want some Ortlieb panniers. That shouldn't be so hard....
>
> {mmmmmmmffffffffffttttttt}
>
> >>> I flushed about 20 of them down the sewer a couple of weeks ago,
> >>> took 3 or 4
> >>> when my knee was screwed up and didn't like the feel they left.
> >> That must be some toilet, if it can handle 20 Ortlieb panniers!
>
> Oy. (OK, it wasn't bad.)
>
> >> I would not expect eating Ortlieb panniers to help with knee pain
> >> either.
>
> Oy. (OK, stretching a bit.)...

Eating 3 or 4 Ortlieb panniers would involve some stretching, so it is
not surprising "DI" didn't like the "feel they left".

DI

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Jun 23, 2007, 10:18:30 PM6/23/07
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"Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote in message
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>
> Ol' Johnny was being FUNNY, DI. I didn't take it as directed at you
> (except in fun) at all.
>
> Bill "prior restraint (can't explain)" S.
>

I got a chuckle out of it, but could not resist a reply.


Bill Sornson

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Jun 23, 2007, 10:34:14 PM6/23/07
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Yeahbutt... You missed a chance to call him a smart-ass!

Bill "tsk, tsk" S.


Dane Buson

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Jun 23, 2007, 10:48:41 PM6/23/07
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Neil Brooks <neil...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:43:06 -0700, Dane Buson <da...@unseen.edu>
> wrote, in part:
>
>>After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our
>>bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the
>>road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice
>>round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning
>>and did a face plant.
>
> Heal fast, fully, and painlessly.

Thanks.

> These things simply CAN happen ... in the (figurative and literal)
> blink of an eye. This was just $hit luck on your part.
>
> Dilaudid are kinda' cool ... and Zoot has some other remedies that he
> might be willing to share ;-)

Heh. Now that you mentioned it, I'm surprised some of my friends
haven't already offered some horticulture samples.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

X windows. Garbage at your fingertips.

Dane Buson

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Jun 23, 2007, 11:46:02 PM6/23/07
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Chalo <chalo....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dane Buson wrote:
>>
>> I went down with no warning and did a face plant.
> ...
>> I landed on my chin quite nicely.
>
> Arrgh! That sucks, man. I feel your pain-- or rather, I remember my
> own pain upon thinking about yours.

I'll admit, after I got a look at my dental damage, I did remember your
story about that sort of thing happening to you.

> My big faceplant left me looking like an extra from The Simpsons for a
> little while, then looking like a toothless hillbilly for a year. I
> was so punch-drunk after the accident that I called the EMT "sweetie",
> to which she snapped, "I'm not your sweetie!" It seems funnier now
> that it did at the time.
>
> I now have gum disease that I attribute largely to my extensive,
> expensive bridgework. That was no fun. I'll never forget the
> "crunch" sound in my skull when the ER physician jammed a couple of
> disembodied teeth back into my shattered gums, or the joy of having an
> occasional bone fragment work its way to the surface over the
> following couple of years. (I had to tweeze them out of my gums like
> rough and jagged splinters.)

Youch! Mine snapped off pretty cleanly, but evidently didn't expose
the nerve quite. I visited the dentist at 1pm and she's already temp
capped them and laid out what we'll do to fix me up Tuesday morning. It
looks a little better and eating is easier.

I <heart> my dentist.

Especially since she does Saturday appointments.

> On the plus side, it looks like you fared substantially better than I
> did. I think you'll have to settle for lame consolations like that
> for the time being.

Thanks, I'm doing pretty well now. I even managed a nap while Number
Two daughter was napping and Tina took Number One daughter out to shop
and pick up take away.

> 3 to 4 ibuprofens with food, or 2 naproxens with food, should be a
> substitute for hydrocodone that you can get over the counter. Spirits
> are also good-- but if you use alcohol, you should lower the dosage of
> any NSAIDs you are taking. You need your liver even more than you
> need your teeth, as it turns out.

I'm mixing ibuprofen and acetaminophen now (which the doctor said was
okay). That seems to be keeping the swelling and pain in check.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

"Thou shalt ALWAYS cover thy ass."
-Slovotsky's Law #7

Dane Buson

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Jun 23, 2007, 11:03:18 PM6/23/07
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Zoot Katz <zoot...@operamail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:55:06 GMT, Neil Brooks <neil...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Dilaudid are kinda' cool ... and Zoot has some other remedies that he
>>might be willing to share ;-)
>
> Dental pain responds well to Old Bushmill's, neat.

Hmm, I do have about a third of a bottle left in the cupboard...

> Enough of it makes British comedy somewhat more understandable.

Tangent: My friend Christina is one of the few people I know in
technology who's not into British television or film in general. Even
though she speaks English fluently, she picked it up in Japan and later
the US. So she has a lot of trouble understanding British accents.

All the Indian guys at work understand British accents extremely well
and I can talk with them about the older stuff easily. Their sense of
humour and jokes tends to be a little orthagonal to the US otherwise.

Oddly enough, the person who amuses me the most at work is a serious
looking older Russian women. She has a simply excellent dry wit that
comes across especially well in writing. Many's the time I've had to
stem guffaws after reading one of her emails.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

A billion here, a billion there -- pretty soon it adds up to real money.
-- Sen. Everett Dirksen, on the U.S. defense budget

Dane Buson

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Jun 23, 2007, 11:05:17 PM6/23/07
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Ozark Bicycle <bicycle...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>
> Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Dane.

Thanks. While no picnic, I'm not experiencing as much pain as I
expected. I think once the swelling goes down I'll probably feel pretty
human.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

"If its sinful, it's more fun."

Dane Buson

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Jun 23, 2007, 11:10:28 PM6/23/07
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Bill Sornson <as...@ask.me> wrote:
>
> Great writeup of a not-so-great (sucky city) event. Heal quickly and
> fully!

Thanks. My wife has been a huge help distracting the children and
helping me with all the medical regimes (and cutting food up very small).

> Bill "good news is face stuff heals fast usually" S.

That's what people keep telling me. I managed to scrape a gouge in my
tongue too, but I hear that heals even more quickly.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

"Thou shalt put thy money where is thy mouth.
-Slovotsky's Law #43

Dane Buson

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Jun 23, 2007, 11:17:00 PM6/23/07
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Paul Myron Hobson <pho...@gatech.edu> wrote:

> Dane Buson wrote:
>
>> I landed on my chin quite nicely. My friends pulled out a first aid kit
>> and taped some gauze over my injuries and gave me some Advils. Given we
>> were about 20 miles from my home, they called a cab, tried to keep me
>> warm and cheered up.
>
> Yikes. Glad your ok. Take 'er easy and get better fast!

Thanks. At least I didn't break any of my limbs or concuss myself.
I'll be back on the bike soon, but I'm not in a huge rush. I'm going to
go look up the bus schedule for Monday for work.

Speaking of which, this is your second (third?) week back on the bike
isn't it? How's it going for you?

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

"Gone With the Wind is going to be the biggest flop in Hollywood
history. I'm just glad it'll be Clark Gable who's falling flat on his
face and not Gary Cooper."
-Gary Cooper (after he turned down the role of Rhett Butler)

Dane Buson

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Jun 23, 2007, 11:31:34 PM6/23/07
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DI <di9...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Dane Buson" <da...@unseen.edu> wrote in message
>
> I had a similar faceplant about a month ago, also from inattention,
> was riding on a paved trail with my hands resting on top of the bar
> grips, turned to look backwards, one hand slipped off, the other
> turned the bars and instantly I went over the bars. My face was all
> bruised and scraped but healed in a couple of weeks.

Doh!

> My knee must have twisted badly, because when I got home and in the
> shower it instantly swelled to about a grapefruit size, off to the ER,
> no fractures just a sprain. It's still not completely back to normal
> after a month, but I can use it. Knee injuries are very painful.

Oh yes, and unless you want to use a wheel chair or crutches you have no
choice but to use your knee. At least (other than eating) I can mostly
keep my face immobile. It's been years since I last injured my knee,
but I certainly remember it.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

E = MC ** 2 +- 3db

Dane Buson

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Jun 23, 2007, 11:21:09 PM6/23/07
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DI <di9...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Neil Brooks" <neil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:21:17 -0400, "Joe S." <non...@nosuch.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>TAKE IT AND DEMAND A REFILL!! You can sell the hydrocodone on the street
>>>for the price of a REALLY nice bike.
>>
>> I heard something like $10/pill for Vicodin. 'zat true??
>>
>> I just want some Ortlieb panniers. That shouldn't be so hard....
>
> I flushed about 20 of them down the sewer a couple of weeks ago, took 3 or 4
> when my knee was screwed up and didn't like the feel they left.

My wife ended up throwing up both times she took it. She decided the
nausea was worse than the pain relief. As I recall, she got the doctor
to prescribe something that agreed with her better.

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668:
The neighbor of the beast.

Dane Buson

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Jun 23, 2007, 11:33:57 PM6/23/07
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Why twine? I suppose I could go down and look and see if there's
anything like that on the bike still.

I suppose that's how to tell if it's a bad accident. I didn't even
check my bike to see if it was okay, other than to be able to roll it
into the cab.

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Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

A diplomat is man who always remembers a woman's birthday but never her age.
-- Robert Frost

Dane Buson

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Jun 23, 2007, 11:35:46 PM6/23/07
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Nah, I only had two beers at the brew pub [1]. Speaking of which, what kind
of brewpub only sells pints, not pitchers?

[1] Rogue Chocolate Stout, very tasty.

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"Listening to the voice of reason is usually a good idea.
Unless it's the cleverly-disguised voice of stupidity."
-Michael Hayward

Marlene Blanshay

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Jun 24, 2007, 2:38:14 AM6/24/07
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I got Dilaudid after surgery once...that stuff ROCKS! A speedy recovery
to you...

I also just had my own stupid accident...only the other end. Some shmuck
on the bike path was weaving all over the place,then turned off without
signalling. The two people I was with, ahead of me, tried to avoid
him...i was the last link in the chain and fell smack on my tailbone. I
thought at least it wasn't a face plant...but it hurt like hell, i
couldn't get up and was lying there moaning and groaning... it's just
now finally getting better. I guess it's a bruise on the bone- i know
from experience it takes a while to totally go away, but it was so
STOOPID. Nothing broken... i guess i have little to complain about,
comparatively. But the giant bruise on my rear end- eeeek!


Neil Brooks wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:43:06 -0700, Dane Buson <da...@unseen.edu>
> wrote, in part:
>

>> After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our
>> bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the
>> road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice
>> round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning
>> and did a face plant.
>

> Heal fast, fully, and painlessly.
>

> These things simply CAN happen ... in the (figurative and literal)
> blink of an eye. This was just $hit luck on your part.
>

> Dilaudid are kinda' cool ... and Zoot has some other remedies that he
> might be willing to share ;-)
>

> Take care,
>
> Neil

max

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Jun 24, 2007, 6:15:06 AM6/24/07
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In article <q660l4-...@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org>,
Dane Buson <da...@unseen.edu> wrote:

> I went out on a bike ride with some friends to Issaquah Thursday. [...]


>
> I landed on my chin quite nicely.


This is an excellent opportunity to have some gold dental work installed,
along with a nice pouty lip implant.

i say go for it.


.max

landotter

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Jun 24, 2007, 11:42:21 AM6/24/07
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On Jun 23, 10:10 pm, Dane Buson <d...@unseen.edu> wrote:

> Bill Sornson <a...@ask.me> wrote:
>
> > Great writeup of a not-so-great (sucky city) event. Heal quickly and
> > fully!
>
> Thanks. My wife has been a huge help distracting the children and
> helping me with all the medical regimes (and cutting food up very small).
>
> > Bill "good news is face stuff heals fast usually" S.
>
> That's what people keep telling me. I managed to scrape a gouge in my
> tongue too, but I hear that heals even more quickly.

Ouch! That mustht thuck!

Too bad the pain pills don't work for you. They make me high as a
kite! Last good facer I had was seven years ago. After a few hours in
the ER and something like 50-100 facial stitches, sheered off teeth,
and IV painkillers, I was released and advised to NOT ride for two
weeks or some such nonsense. I got on my bike that was in the lobby
marked "biohazard" (whooah, baddassss!) and rode to the pharmacy to
fill my prescriptions. I was bundled up with a bloody arab keffeyah
round my head to balance out the rows of stitches and sheared off
teeth as I approached the lady at the pharmacy, and higher than a man
should be in public on whatever they gave me, I effervesced, "guess
what happened to me!!!" X2 like a five year old girl. Too bad it was
pre 9/11 and all--I could have seriously made her poop in today's
climate.

What I mean to say it that, though you may look and feel like shit
now--exploit it. Scare some kids. Zombie-walk around the local
playground while moaning. Randomly knock on elderly neighbors doors
carrying a scythe and so forth. Enjoy every minute of your swolly
stitchiness!

Marlene Blanshay

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Jun 24, 2007, 2:13:23 PM6/24/07
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hahaha....good advice...should i pull down my shorts and scare people
with my hideous bruise???lol....

landotter

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Jun 24, 2007, 3:55:09 PM6/24/07
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On Jun 24, 1:13 pm, Marlene Blanshay <blans...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> hahaha....good advice...should i pull down my shorts and scare people
> with my hideous bruise???lol....

Absolutely!


marian.r...@gmail.com

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Jun 24, 2007, 8:51:33 PM6/24/07
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On Jun 24, 11:33 am, Dane Buson <d...@unseen.edu> wrote:
> Frank Drackman <frankdr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Dane Buson" <d...@unseen.edu> wrote in message

> >news:q660l4-...@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org...
> >>I went out on a bike ride with some friends to Issaquah Thursday. We
> >> went to a restaurant and had some food and what-not. Afterwards about
> >> half of us went to a park and the other half split off to ride directly
> >> back to Seattle. We hung about for a little bit and chit-chatted on the
> >> beach and admired the moonlight over the lake on the shortest night of
> >> the year.
>
> >> After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our
> >> bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the
> >> road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice
> >> round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning
> >> and did a face plant.
>
> > I hope that you heal quickly with no long-term damage.
>
> > "I'm guessing I hit a nice round branch or bottle or something" I am
> > thinking that you probably got some twine caught in the drivetrain.
>
> Why twine? I suppose I could go down and look and see if there's
> anything like that on the bike still.
>
> I suppose that's how to tell if it's a bad accident. I didn't even
> check my bike to see if it was okay, other than to be able to roll it
> into the cab.

And how to tell it is a minor accident when you lie on the ground for
a good minute before starting to try to get up because you are busy
checking that your -clothing- is undamaged. (Already knew the bike
was fine, it didn't hit the ground)

-M

Marlene Blanshay

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Jun 24, 2007, 9:03:23 PM6/24/07
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once i was able to get up (with two guys pulling me up) i checked to
make sure my shorts weren't ripped... fortunately not, they were my nice
specialized shorts. Bike was okay too. Phew!

Bob

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Jun 24, 2007, 9:43:50 PM6/24/07
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On Jun 23, 1:43 pm, Dane Buson <d...@unseen.edu> wrote:
> I went out on a bike ride with some friends to Issaquah Thursday. We
> went to a restaurant and had some food and what-not. Afterwards about
> half of us went to a park and the other half split off to ride directly
> back to Seattle. We hung about for a little bit and chit-chatted on the
> beach and admired the moonlight over the lake on the shortest night of
> the year.
>
> After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our
> bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the
> road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice
> round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning
> and did a face plant.
>
> I landed on my chin quite nicely. My friends pulled out a first aid kit
> and taped some gauze over my injuries and gave me some Advils. Given we
> were about 20 miles from my home, they called a cab, tried to keep me
> warm and cheered up.
>
> I got home, dropped off all my things and told my wife I was headed to
> the ER. After that was the longest night at the ER I've ever spent. Stitches
> internally in my chin, another layer of stitches on top of that, stitches
> inside my bottom lip [1]. No concussion, no fractured jaw bones, etc.
>
> My only real kvetch with the hospital is that they prescribed me
> hydrocodone. My brother and I are the unlucky 3% of the population that
> a lot of opiates don't do jack for (I don't even get a tiny buzz or
> anything). They are pretty much exactly like taking 2 tylenol... because
> they use tylenol as part of the mix.
>
> I mentioned it to the physician but was too tired to argue with her. I
> know she thought I was trying to argue for a 'stronger' drug or
> something. No you silly bint! I was trying to argue for a *different*
> drug family.
>
> Bah.
>
> I do have some dental damage. Two teeth are chipped on the edges and I
> expect (hope) she can just build them back up. The middle one... not so
> good. I have 1PM appointment with the dentist, so I'll be leaving for
> that in a little bit.
>
> I'm doing better now I managed some sleep, some chocolate ice cream and
> what-not. I'm posting from the comforts of bed via wifi.
>
> Later after I get back from the dentist it will be time to catch up on
> my British comedy shows I guess.
>
> [0] We had lights, but there were a lot of us, and I was chit chatting
> with the people I was talking to. I'm going to say the main cause
> of the wreck was inattention on my part. :-(
> [1] The Maxilo-facial doctor at First hill Swedish was awesome. The
> regular ER guy at Cherry Hill Swedish was okay, but they were slow
> as dirt.
>
> --
> Dane Buson - sigd...@unixbigots.org
> As for the historical record of the execution of this rabble-rousing
> carpenter, well, he wasn't all that important to them at the time.
> Just another subversive, though not so blatant about it as, say, the
> Maccabees. Executed with some petty thieves; do we know _their_ names?
> From: m...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews)

Sorry you got hurt and wishing you a speedy recovery,

Bob Hunt

Paul Myron Hobson

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Jun 24, 2007, 10:37:35 PM6/24/07
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Dane Buson wrote:
> Paul Myron Hobson <pho...@gatech.edu> wrote:
>> Dane Buson wrote:
>>
>>> I landed on my chin quite nicely. My friends pulled out a first aid kit
>>> and taped some gauze over my injuries and gave me some Advils. Given we
>>> were about 20 miles from my home, they called a cab, tried to keep me
>>> warm and cheered up.
>> Yikes. Glad your ok. Take 'er easy and get better fast!
>
> Thanks. At least I didn't break any of my limbs or concuss myself.
> I'll be back on the bike soon, but I'm not in a huge rush. I'm going to
> go look up the bus schedule for Monday for work.
>
> Speaking of which, this is your second (third?) week back on the bike
> isn't it? How's it going for you?

Well. I'm supposed to take it easy. But I'm not every good at that. I
rode around for a few days then jumped straight into my 7.5 mile (each
way) commute on my single speed Raleigh One Way. Surprisingly, I'm not
in too terrible of shape. I rode probably about 25 miles on Friday and
20 miles yesterday just running around town doing this or that.

I built up a new fixie with with a frame I got for free (but it needed a
new dropout). Since I'm still squeamish about putting too much force on
my wrist, it's just not as much fun as it used to be[1]. The bike rides
wonderfully though (light weight, good gearing, etc). I just might have
to put a freewheel on it and make it my nice weather beater/commuter.

thanks for noticing/asking!
\\paul

[1] I spent my 5.5 months reading about technique and ergonomics of
bikes. I also realized I'm not even partially invincible anymore :(
Maybe an internally geared hub is in the future?

Tom Keats

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Jun 26, 2007, 12:06:48 AM6/26/07
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In article <q660l4-...@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org>,
Dane Buson <da...@unseen.edu> writes:

> After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our
> bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the
> road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice
> round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning
> and did a face plant.

Aw man, that really sux the big one.

Anyways, you have a ton of my well-wishes.

The things we go through for honest transportation, eh?


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Dane Buson

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Jun 25, 2007, 3:06:59 PM6/25/07
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landotter <land...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 23, 10:10 pm, Dane Buson <d...@unseen.edu> wrote:
>>
>> That's what people keep telling me. I managed to scrape a gouge in my
>> tongue too, but I hear that heals even more quickly.
>
> Ouch! That mustht thuck!

Well, I'm not talking too much like Igor, but I'm certainly not a pretty
sight. I shaved *very carefully* this morning and I look sort of
presentable now. If you discount the uber-puffy jaw.

> Too bad the pain pills don't work for you. They make me high as a
> kite!

Man I wish. To me they're like slightly less effective tylenol that
gives you constipation. I really need to talk to someone and find out
what they can prescribe that's more effective. Of course that's step
one, step two is to get an MD to actually *listen*.

> Last good facer I had was seven years ago. After a few hours in the ER
> and something like 50-100 facial stitches, sheered off teeth, and IV
> painkillers, I was released and advised to NOT ride for two weeks or
> some such nonsense. I got on my bike that was in the lobby marked
> "biohazard" (whooah, baddassss!) and rode to the pharmacy to fill my
> prescriptions. I was bundled up with a bloody arab keffeyah round my
> head to balance out the rows of stitches and sheared off teeth as I
> approached the lady at the pharmacy, and higher than a man should be
> in public on whatever they gave me, I effervesced, "guess what
> happened to me!!!" X2 like a five year old girl. Too bad it was pre
> 9/11 and all--I could have seriously made her poop in today's climate.

I was sort of slap happy towards the end. I'd gotten up at 4am the
previous day and it was almost 10am before I finally got out of the ER.
I was trying to be polite and make a few jokes though, just because I
was having a crappy day doesn't mean I should try and make everyone
elses match.

They did take a bloody long time to do everything though.

> What I mean to say it that, though you may look and feel like shit
> now--exploit it. Scare some kids. Zombie-walk around the local
> playground while moaning. Randomly knock on elderly neighbors doors
> carrying a scythe and so forth. Enjoy every minute of your swolly
> stitchiness!

I think I'm over the really frightening looking phase (un)fortunately.
I wonder what I looked like that night? Not good judging from my
friends reactions. And the fact my clothes from that night are simply
covered in blood.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

"The only things that Palestinian and Israeli politicians have in common
are their Volvo limousines and their ripped off constituents..."
-- aprilized from jwz's livejournal

Dane Buson

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Jun 25, 2007, 2:28:40 PM6/25/07
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Marlene Blanshay <blan...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> I got Dilaudid after surgery once...that stuff ROCKS! A speedy recovery
> to you...
>
> I also just had my own stupid accident...only the other end. Some shmuck
> on the bike path was weaving all over the place,then turned off without
> signalling. The two people I was with, ahead of me, tried to avoid
> him...i was the last link in the chain and fell smack on my tailbone. I
> thought at least it wasn't a face plant...but it hurt like hell, i
> couldn't get up and was lying there moaning and groaning... it's just
> now finally getting better. I guess it's a bruise on the bone- i know
> from experience it takes a while to totally go away, but it was so
> STOOPID. Nothing broken... i guess i have little to complain about,
> comparatively. But the giant bruise on my rear end- eeeek!

This post is worthless without pictures!

;-)

In a more serious vein, I'm sorry to hear about the state of your
tuchus. Hope you're recovering well.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX.
We don't believe this to be a coincidence.
-- Jeremy S. Anderson

Dane Buson

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Jun 25, 2007, 3:17:06 PM6/25/07
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Paul Myron Hobson <pho...@gatech.edu> wrote:
> Dane Buson wrote:
>> Paul Myron Hobson <pho...@gatech.edu> wrote:
>>> Dane Buson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I landed on my chin quite nicely. My friends pulled out a first aid kit
>>>> and taped some gauze over my injuries and gave me some Advils. Given we
>>>> were about 20 miles from my home, they called a cab, tried to keep me
>>>> warm and cheered up.
>>> Yikes. Glad your ok. Take 'er easy and get better fast!
>>
>> Thanks. At least I didn't break any of my limbs or concuss myself.
>> I'll be back on the bike soon, but I'm not in a huge rush. I'm going to
>> go look up the bus schedule for Monday for work.
>>
>> Speaking of which, this is your second (third?) week back on the bike
>> isn't it? How's it going for you?
>
> Well. I'm supposed to take it easy. But I'm not every good at that.

I understand, my wife always despairs of me getting any rest before I'm
up trying to do things.

> I rode around for a few days then jumped straight into my 7.5 mile (each way)
> commute on my single speed Raleigh One Way. Surprisingly, I'm not in too
> terrible of shape. I rode probably about 25 miles on Friday and 20 miles
> yesterday just running around town doing this or that.
>
> I built up a new fixie with with a frame I got for free (but it needed a new
> dropout). Since I'm still squeamish about putting too much force on my
> wrist, it's just not as much fun as it used to be[1]. The bike rides
> wonderfully though (light weight, good gearing, etc). I just might have to
> put a freewheel on it and make it my nice weather beater/commuter.
>
> thanks for noticing/asking! \\paul

Heh, You and Luigi and about the only reasonably regular posters that
are younger than me. So you do tend to stick out in my mind.

> [1] I spent my 5.5 months reading about technique and ergonomics of bikes. I
> also realized I'm not even partially invincible anymore :( Maybe an
> internally geared hub is in the future?

The modern ones are definitely very attractive. They have a much nicer
spread of gearing for reasonable prices.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

"I have come up with a sure-fire concept for a hit television show,
which would be called `A Live Celebrity Gets Eaten by a Shark'."
-- Dave Barry, "The Wonders of Sharks on TV"

Dane Buson

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Jun 25, 2007, 3:19:03 PM6/25/07
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ri...@elevengear.us wrote:
> Ooh Ouch and no opiates! That sucks. Here's to hoping you heal well!

I'm doing pretty well. The pain in manageable. It's the swelling
that's really irritating me.

> In the 80s I crashed on my face in the tour of Guatemala and got these
> impressively large blue stitches from an army doctor in fatigues.
> While they were healing I compared notes back then with Davis Phinney
> who had recently (at that time) flown face-first into the back of a
> support vehicle in France. He told me that shaving helped reduce the
> scarring. I know that sounds counterintuitive. I'm talking well after
> the face heals (stops seeping, etc). Perhaps the shaving helps
> regenerate the surface skin cells. So when it's prudent to do so,
> consider shaving. Anyway good luck. Hope you get back riding soon.

I shaved for the first time since I crashed this morning. Very
carefully. I'm surprised how much of my scabs and surface abrasions
have already healed. I just had to avoid my stitches and one spot right
under my nose.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

"Apathy is not the problem, it's the solution"

Dane Buson

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Jun 25, 2007, 3:20:14 PM6/25/07
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Do you think I'll still be able to model?

> i say go for it.

My agent is wibbling on it. Perhaps I should go seek professional advice.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

"He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in others."
-Samuel Johnson

Dane Buson

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Jun 25, 2007, 3:23:53 PM6/25/07
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Bob <hun...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry you got hurt and wishing you a speedy recovery,

Thanks. I had a quiet weekend and I'm feeling a bit better now.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

"It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go
one way or another." -George Bush, US President

D_Frum...@ndersnat.ch

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Jun 25, 2007, 5:58:34 PM6/25/07
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Dane Buson <da...@unseen.edu> wrote:
> Bob <hun...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry you got hurt and wishing you a speedy recovery,

> Thanks. I had a quiet weekend and I'm feeling a bit better now.

As it happens, I witnessed the immediate aftermath of a (slightly less
serious than yours) faceplant this weekend. Huge group ride (2900
riders), albeit started in groups of about 100, lots of inexperienced
riders. People on the P.A. beforehand begging everybody to be careful,
call out "on your left," and all that, but still this crash and one other
than I saw.
In this crash two other riders got too close and brushed each other.
One of them swerved away from the other, and into my teammate, who ended
up being hurt the worst. She had a huge scrape/bruise on her cheek, and
more of the same on her elbow. She was taken to the hospital, where
gratefully her X-rays came back negative. (Checking for skull fracture is
SOP in cases like this.) A certain unnamed piece of equipment on top of
her head seems to have prevented a worse injury.
Got back to work this morning, and while fishing around in a file for
something else, found these words of wisdom in a handout from a safety
seminar a while back. The four most common causes of accidents spell
DUTCH, if you're a little bit creative with the T:

Distractions
UnfamiliariTy
Complacency
Hurry

Fortunately, I'm such a good rider I never have to worry about any of
those things. I'm sure everyone here is too. ;-)


Bill

__o | Conservatism makes no poetry, breathes no prayer,
_`\(,_ | has no invention; it is all memory.
(_)/ (_) | --Ralph Waldo Emerson

Luigi de Guzman

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Jun 25, 2007, 8:59:34 PM6/25/07
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:17:06 -0700, Dane Buson wrote:

>
> Heh, You and Luigi and about the only reasonably regular posters that
> are younger than me. So you do tend to stick out in my mind.

. . . the graying of usenet continues apace. It has its benefits, though:
all the kids posting ZOMGZ SHIMANO!!!!!!1111ONE are spending their time
and energy elsewhere.

>
>> [1] I spent my 5.5 months reading about technique and ergonomics of bikes. I
>> also realized I'm not even partially invincible anymore :( Maybe an
>> internally geared hub is in the future?
>
> The modern ones are definitely very attractive. They have a much nicer
> spread of gearing for reasonable prices.

The new 7 and 8 speed internally-geared hubs will still provoke sticker
shock. At least they did for me. But then, I'm remarkably tight-fisted.
Should have taken up boxing, not cycling.

-Luigi

--
Luigi de Guzman
http://ouij.livejournal.com

Luigi de Guzman

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Jun 25, 2007, 9:01:15 PM6/25/07
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:20:14 -0700, Dane Buson wrote:

> max <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> In article <q660l4-...@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org>,
>> Dane Buson <da...@unseen.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I went out on a bike ride with some friends to Issaquah Thursday. [...]
>>>
>>> I landed on my chin quite nicely.
>>
>>
>> This is an excellent opportunity to have some gold dental work installed,
>> along with a nice pouty lip implant.
>
> Do you think I'll still be able to model?
>
>> i say go for it.
>
> My agent is wibbling on it. Perhaps I should go seek professional advice.
>

Dude, consider Sheryl Crow. Back before she was famous, some yahoo in
Austin chucked a beer bottle at her, which chipped her front teeth. Her
dentist was obviously very skilled. . .

landotter

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Jun 25, 2007, 9:40:39 PM6/25/07
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Bought installed in a bike, they're not that expensive. My old Nexus 7
was just shy of $700 fully equipped. REI has a city bike with the 7
speed for $600 and the 8 speed with generator front hub for $750.
That's a bit of cash, but historically a pittance for such amazing
technology when you adjust for inflation.

If you want to retrofit a 120mm frame, your choices are (if I remember
Captain Bike's advice properly) a S/A three speed, which you can get
for $100 with a shifter, or the S/A five speed with shifter for around
$150. Then you'll need a handful of spokes and a six pack to lubricate
the nipples. Nexus stuff costs more, and is nice, but is spaced wider
(135mm?).


Ryan Cousineau

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Jun 26, 2007, 12:23:48 AM6/26/07
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In article <1182822039.9...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
landotter <land...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sturmey-Archer (Sun Race?) now makes an 8-speed that will space as
narrow as 115 mm.

http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/sturmey-archer-hubs.html

It's a bit odd for having its lowest gear as the direct drive gear, but
the price is right.

So cheap even a Luigi could buy it!

--
Ryan Cousineau rcou...@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Luigi de Guzman

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Jun 26, 2007, 12:30:03 AM6/26/07
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:23:48 +0000, Ryan Cousineau wrote:

>
> It's a bit odd for having its lowest gear as the direct drive gear, but
> the price is right.
>
> So cheap even a Luigi could buy it!

Almost. The bike that could use it has a French bottom bracket with
cottered cranks. I'd need a smaller chainring to make the SA-8's shifting
sane, so that means a new (French-thread) bottom bracket (it looks like
Phil Wood is my only choice here) and new cranks. A project for another
time, maybe.

marian.r...@gmail.com

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Jun 26, 2007, 1:33:39 AM6/26/07
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On Jun 26, 8:59 am, Luigi de Guzman <luigi12...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:17:06 -0700, Dane Buson wrote:
>
> > Heh, You and Luigi and about the only reasonably regular posters that
> > are younger than me. So you do tend to stick out in my mind.
>
> . . . the graying of usenet continues apace. It has its benefits, though:
> all the kids posting ZOMGZ SHIMANO!!!!!!1111ONE are spending their time
> and energy elsewhere.

I'm 26.

-M

landotter

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Jun 26, 2007, 10:31:00 AM6/26/07
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On Jun 25, 11:23 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
> In article <1182822039.983086.302...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,

Price is similar to the Nexus7. I'd go with the Nexus over the S/A if
I could respace. I find the low gear direct drive to be a bit
disconcerting. I like an internal hub to be set up that one uses the
direct drive when at regular cruising speed on the flats.

Dane Buson

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Jun 26, 2007, 4:30:43 PM6/26/07
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I sit corrected.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

"What George Washington did for us was to throw out the British, so that we
wouldn't have a fat, insensitive government running our country. Nice try
anyway, George." -- D.J. on KSFO/KYA

Dane Buson

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Jun 26, 2007, 4:12:32 PM6/26/07
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Luigi de Guzman <luigi...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:17:06 -0700, Dane Buson wrote:
>
>> The modern ones are definitely very attractive. They have a much nicer
>> spread of gearing for reasonable prices.
>
> The new 7 and 8 speed internally-geared hubs will still provoke sticker
> shock. At least they did for me.

$121-128 for an 8 speed SA isn't too bad. They'll fit in 118-138mm IIRC.

http://aebike.com/page.cfm?PageID=30&action=list&Category=475&brand=512&modelid=8484

> But then, I'm remarkably tight-fisted. Should have taken up boxing, not cycling.

Heh, I feel like I did this week.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

Armenians and Azerbaijanis in Stepanakert, capital of the Nagorno-Karabakh
autonomous region, rioted over much needed spelling reform in the Soviet Union.
-- P.J. O'Rourke

Dane Buson

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Jun 26, 2007, 4:40:18 PM6/26/07
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Tom Keats <tkeat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <q660l4-...@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org>,
> Dane Buson <da...@unseen.edu> writes:
>
>> After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our
>> bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the
>> road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice
>> round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning
>> and did a face plant.
>
> Aw man, that really sux the big one.
>
> Anyways, you have a ton of my well-wishes.

Thanks. I've used some of the downtime to do work on projects as well
as lie around coagulating. I'm halfway finished on a new 650A alloy
wheelset for my Mother's bike.

> The things we go through for honest transportation, eh?

Shhhhh. My coworkers probably all think I'm some sort of suffering
crazy who wears hair shirts in his spare time. What would they do if
they found out I consider it enjoyable reliable [1] transportation?

[1] Unlike our car, which decided to leave the parking lights on and
drain the battery while I was in the Dentist's office. [2] It's not
been right since a hit-and-run driver hit it while it was a dead
stop.
[2] No really, I double checked everything, nothing that shouldn't have
been on was. I had to pull the fuse after I got a jump and drove to
work.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

"She's been on more laps than a napkin." - Walter Winchell

Paul Myron Hobson

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Jun 26, 2007, 6:01:46 PM6/26/07
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>>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:17:06 -0700, Dane Buson wrote:
>>>> Heh, You and Luigi and about the only reasonably regular posters that
>>>> are younger than me. So you do tend to stick out in my mind.

> marian.r...@gmail.com <marian.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm 26.

Dane Buson wrote:
> I sit corrected.

Ok. Pardon me asking, but now I'm curious. I'm 24, LdG and MR are 26.
Dane? You are...?

Any other posters still in Club Awesome? :)

\\paul

Paul Myron Hobson

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Jun 26, 2007, 6:06:54 PM6/26/07
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Dane Buson wrote:
> Nah, I only had two beers at the brew pub [1]. Speaking of which, what kind
> of brewpub only sells pints, not pitchers?
>
> [1] Rogue Chocolate Stout, very tasty.

Wow. You're ballin'. haha. I save the Rogue for the special occations!

Dane Buson

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Jun 26, 2007, 6:39:57 PM6/26/07
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Paul Myron Hobson <pho...@gatech.edu> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:17:06 -0700, Dane Buson wrote:
>>>>> Heh, You and Luigi and about the only reasonably regular posters that
>>>>> are younger than me. So you do tend to stick out in my mind.
>
>> marian.r...@gmail.com <marian.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm 26.
>
> Dane Buson wrote:
>> I sit corrected.
>
> Ok. Pardon me asking, but now I'm curious. I'm 24, LdG and MR are 26.
> Dane? You are...?

I turned 32 last month.


> Any other posters still in Club Awesome? :)

:-P

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
-- Pablo Picasso

Claire Petersky

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Jun 26, 2007, 7:28:51 PM6/26/07
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"Dane Buson" <da...@unseen.edu> wrote in message
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> idomybestw...@hotmail.com wrote:

>> On Jun 24, 4:43 am, Dane Buson <d...@unseen.edu> wrote:
>>> I went out on a bike ride with some friends to Issaquah Thursday. We
>>> went to a restaurant and had some food and what-not.
>>
>> Some more of the 'what-not' could have helped with the pain (it wasn't
>> the cause, was it?). ;-)

>
> Nah, I only had two beers at the brew pub [1]. Speaking of which, what
> kind
> of brewpub only sells pints, not pitchers?


The last ride I led out to Issaquah, I got the definite vibe from a couple
of the folks on the ride that that is where we should have had our food
break, not at the Shanghai Cafe.

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Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
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Claire Petersky

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Jun 26, 2007, 7:29:53 PM6/26/07
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"Dane Buson" <da...@unseen.edu> wrote in message
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> Bob <hun...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry you got hurt and wishing you a speedy recovery,
>
> Thanks. I had a quiet weekend and I'm feeling a bit better now.


Riding in to work? With luck, I'll get out the door too early to see you
tomorrow, but maybe on the return home...?

Dane Buson

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Jun 26, 2007, 7:59:57 PM6/26/07
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Claire Petersky <cpet...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> "Dane Buson" <da...@unseen.edu> wrote in message
>>
>> Nah, I only had two beers at the brew pub [1]. Speaking of which,
>> what kind of brewpub only sells pints, not pitchers?
>
> The last ride I led out to Issaquah, I got the definite vibe from a
> couple of the folks on the ride that that is where we should have had
> our food break, not at the Shanghai Cafe.

The food was decent, though the portions were kind of small. Not the
sort of complaint that's good to here from someone who just rode twenty
miles to get there.

Shanghai Cafe, I'm a big fan of their pea vine and shaved noodle dishes.
I haven't been there in a while since my colleagues rarely go out to
lunch anymore.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

"Science is supposedly the method by which we stand on the shoulders of
those who came before us. In computer science, we all are standing on
each others' feet." - G. Popek.

Dane Buson

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Jun 26, 2007, 8:01:59 PM6/26/07
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Claire Petersky <cpet...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> "Dane Buson" <da...@unseen.edu> wrote in message
>> Bob <hun...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry you got hurt and wishing you a speedy recovery,
>>
>> Thanks. I had a quiet weekend and I'm feeling a bit better now.
>
> Riding in to work? With luck, I'll get out the door too early to see you
> tomorrow, but maybe on the return home...?

Actually, I've been coming in to work the last couple days [1] because
some of the tasks I'm doing can't be done over VPN (bandwidth
intensive). Tomorrow I'm planning on working from home. Thursday and
Friday I'm planning on riding in.

[1] Bus Monday, Car today. [2]
[2] Mainly since I was stopping at my dentist this morning.

--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org

To err is human, to repent, divine, to persist, devilish.
-- Benjamin Franklin

Marlene Blanshay

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Jun 27, 2007, 8:07:42 PM6/27/07
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hahaha...yeah, sorry i didn't take photos of it...it just didn't occur
to me! The bruise is almost totally gone and i'm almost totally
recovered...and it's not just riding which i'm able to do,but actual
physical work like cleaning the house! Thanks for your concern though...
and hopefully that'll be it for stupid accidents for a while.

I was watching a local crit last night and saw the aftermath of a face
plant...i didn't see the actual fall, but i saw the poor shmuck rolling
into the finish area with his mouth all bloody and ripped shorts...ouch.
Apparently he was okay, i heard, nothing broken. I did see a crash right
in front of me...that guy was okay too but broke his sunglasses. Those
races are not for the nervous....

It

Tom Keats

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Jul 2, 2007, 1:08:14 AM7/2/07
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In article <i6a8l4-...@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org>,

Dane Buson <da...@unseen.edu> writes:
>
>> The things we go through for honest transportation, eh?
>
> Shhhhh. My coworkers probably all think I'm some sort of suffering
> crazy who wears hair shirts in his spare time. What would they do if
> they found out I consider it enjoyable reliable [1] transportation?
>
> [1] Unlike our car, which decided to leave the parking lights on and
> drain the battery while I was in the Dentist's office. [2] It's not
> been right since a hit-and-run driver hit it while it was a dead
> stop.
> [2] No really, I double checked everything, nothing that shouldn't have
> been on was. I had to pull the fuse after I got a jump and drove to
> work.

Last year I was working at a site 10 miles from home.
An easy ride. Pleasant, too, as it was a graveyard
shift stint. People thought I was nuts for riding
my bike there. In truth, the ride home in the morning
did get pretty nutty -- because I was going with the
rush hour traffic -- except I was going home after work,
not /to/ work.

That stint was through a temp labour agency who did
me dirt and left me high-&-dry, employment-wise.

Now I'm with another temp labour agency who sends me
to a place next door to where I used to work. I've
gotta sweet-talk 'em into letting me ride my bike
there. It's a zone where there's work to be done,
and workers are needed & wanted, and yet there's no
public transit (East Richmond.) Stupid, stupid,
stupid!!

I feel like winding up the clockspring of my
right leg and automatedly kicking some Public
Official ass[es]. Meanwhile, I look longingly
on where I used to work, and I miss the people
with whom I grew to know and work and become
friends with.

But yeah -- riding a bike is a hardship :-)

Tell ya what -- when I was riding to my old job
site, I had to cross the Knight Street bridge.
There came a time when I couldn't ride over the
bridge any more. Too much broken glass from
returnable bottles falling out of homeless people's
shopping carts, and my saddle is taller than the
railing that's supposed to keep you from falling
off the bridge and into the slimy, acidic slather
of the outpouring of the Fraser River. I just
can't ride over that bridge any more.

Oh, well. Life goes on. And on. And on :-)

cheers,
Tom


--
I've been blue, and you're to blame,
tears & heartache are my name ...
-- Phil "Sugarcane" Harris

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