Trek 1000 vs. 1000C
Preston Crawford
we'll have to hit up our LBS tonight. My wife is a budding triathlete.
Pretty cool. I'd like to buy her an entry-level road bike so she doesn't
have to do these things on a hybrid. She wants a road bike too. We're not
made of money so we're looking low-end and we have a good relationship with
our local Trek dealer (5 bikes purchased there in the last 3 years). We're
looking at the 1000 and the 1000C. I think for what she does she should
probably go with the 1000C. Since she's not a "competitive" triathlete right
now it would seem to make more sense. More comfortable, not the harsh
geometry of the 1000 (I say harsh because I bought a 1000 and then after
getting a fit done at the Bike Gallery they promptly jacked my handlebars up
about a half-foot. So a bike more like the 1000C would have been better).
Any thoughts on these bikes? Is the 1000C the same as the 1000 for the most
part, otherwise? Same gearing? Same components, I mean? Will it ride like a
road bike, just more comfortable?
Preston
Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles
Preston: The 1000C could be a very good alternative to a hybrid, although
there really shouldn't be an issue of "harshness" to define the difference
between it and a standard 1000. Mostly it's a fit difference, with the
1000C putting the bars considerably higher up and a shorter top tube. If
she's going to be doing mostly shorter rides (say, under 40 miles) it could
work out quite nicely; if she's going to be getting into longer stuff, you
might check into the standard version, especially if you live in a hilly
area (climbing with bars higher than the saddle can be difficult, especially
while standing). If you're talking about the Bike Gallery in Portland, they
probably do; don't think you'll go too far wrong with their recommendations.
Does the shop have both (so she can take each for a ride)? In the end, the
most important thing is that it's something that makes her want to get out
and ride!
As for differences between the specs, aside from the frame, you have wider
tires on the "C" model, along with a suspension seatpost and adjustable
stem. Curiously, the specs also show a smaller rear cassette on the "C"
model than the standard one, but I don't have a "C" version in stock right
now to confirm that.
--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Rick Onanian
<meREMOVE...@prestoncrawford.com> wrote:
> Hopefully Mike is around and can answer this (or someone else). Otherwise
> we'll have to hit up our LBS tonight. My wife is a budding triathlete.
> Pretty cool. I'd like to buy her an entry-level road bike so she doesn't
> have to do these things on a hybrid. She wants a road bike too. We're not
> made of money so we're looking low-end and we have a good relationship
I recall when I was shopping for my bike, a Giant TCR2,
I read that it's geometry is halfway between a tri-bike
and a more traditional road bike.
Just a suggestion from something I vaguely remember.
> Preston
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Rick Onanian
Preston Crawford
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> Preston: The 1000C could be a very good alternative to a hybrid, although
> there really shouldn't be an issue of "harshness" to define the difference
> between it and a standard 1000. Mostly it's a fit difference, with the
> 1000C putting the bars considerably higher up and a shorter top tube. If
Well, that's what I mean. If you're fit to be more comfortable riding a
little more upright (I trust the BG when they fit me, they know what they're
doing) then sloping downwards is definitely harsh on your back. My wife is
currently riding and fit to a hybrid, like the 7700. So she's used to a more
upright position as well.
> she's going to be doing mostly shorter rides (say, under 40 miles) it
could
> work out quite nicely; if she's going to be getting into longer stuff, you
Yes, she will be. Although she reeled off a 56-miler a few weeks ago, she
mostly does her tri distances (12-20, sometimes 30) while training.
> while standing). If you're talking about the Bike Gallery in Portland,
they
> probably do; don't think you'll go too far wrong with their
recommendations.
Oh no. I was mostly interested in component differences.
> Does the shop have both (so she can take each for a ride)? In the end,
the
> most important thing is that it's something that makes her want to get out
> and ride!
They do have both and we'll definitely check both out.
> As for differences between the specs, aside from the frame, you have wider
> tires on the "C" model, along with a suspension seatpost and adjustable
> stem. Curiously, the specs also show a smaller rear cassette on the "C"
> model than the standard one, but I don't have a "C" version in stock right
> now to confirm that.
What would the smaller rear cassette do? We'll probably swap out the tires
for puncture-proof armadillos, I imagine.
Preston
Terry Morse
> My wife is a budding triathlete.
> Pretty cool. I'd like to buy her an entry-level road bike so she doesn't
> have to do these things on a hybrid. She wants a road bike too. We're not
> made of money so we're looking low-end and we have a good relationship with
> our local Trek dealer (5 bikes purchased there in the last 3 years). We're
> looking at the 1000 and the 1000C. I think for what she does she should
> probably go with the 1000C. Since she's not a "competitive" triathlete right
> now it would seem to make more sense. More comfortable, not the harsh
> geometry of the 1000
Preston,
If you're not already sold on a Trek, you should take a look at the
Rivendell Romulus:
http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/html/bikes_romulusframes.html
It's a really nice all-around road bike that doesn't follow the
latest "racer boy wannabe" fashion trend. I suspect your wife would
like it, and it's reasonably priced. It has a relaxed geometry, can
fit larger tires, and it's easy to get the bars and the saddle at
the sam eheight. IIRC, you're in (near) Portland. There's a Romulus
dealer there:
Coventry Cycles
Sherman Coventry
2025 SE Hawthorne
Portland OR 97215
ph 503 230 7723
fx 503 231 2882
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terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://www.terrymorse.com/bike/
Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles
> Rivendell Romulus:
>
> http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/html/bikes_romulusframes.html
>
> It's a really nice all-around road bike that doesn't follow the
> latest "racer boy wannabe" fashion trend. I suspect your wife would
> like it, and it's reasonably priced. It has a relaxed geometry, can
> fit larger tires, and it's easy to get the bars and the saddle at
> the sam eheight.
Terry: You need to take another look at the TREK 1000C-
http://www.trekbikes.com/bikes/2004/road/1000c.jsp
and you'll find it comes stock with the bars *higher* than the saddle, 28c
tires, dual brake levers (cyclo-cross style plus STI), all for about $600.
For $850, upgrade to the 1200C and get a carbon fork, lighter frame and
Tiagra components. The Romulus isn't even remotely in their price range,
*and* you don't have to read the absolute worst of Grant's ramblings about
lugs. Sorry, Grant's pretty good on a lot of things, but his arguments for
why a lugged frame is better are, for the most part, way-wrong. They *are*
sexier, and I feel bikes lost a lot of class when everything went to
Tig-welding. But facts are facts; tig-welded frames simply do not have
problems at their joints, nor do they suffer from buckled down tubes nearly
as much as their lugged predecessors.
But wait, there's more- "A steel Romulus is built to last 20 years, easy.
Could be 30, maybe 40. Aluminum's fatigue life is much less. Carbon fiber
doesn't suffer dings, nicks, scratches, and exposure well. Not at all."
(From Rivendell's website)
Excuse me??? You can build an exceptionally-durable frame out of steel,
aluminum, ti or carbon. It's all in how you use the material. Steel frames
have historically failed as often as aluminum, yet nobody talks about it.
Even Grant's *steel* Bridgestones suffered from broken derailleur-side
dropouts (not from crashing, just from normal use) (and it's noteworthy
that, in the situations I'm aware of, instead of repairing them, they
replaced them with new frames, which heavily discounts the "steel is
repairable thus it's better" argument). Using aluminum, you can so
dramatically overbuild a frame that fatigue life simply isn't relevant.
*Or* you can build on the edge of what's possible and have something that
won't last more than a season or two. But that's not what you're going to
find on a moderately-priced bike.
There's nothing at all wrong with a nice steel frame, there's nothing at all
wrong (and a lot of things aesthetically pleasing) with lugs. But you also
don't have to spend nearly that much money for a bike with similar ride
qualities to the Romulus. From an aesthetic standpoint, it's a beautiful
bike, but the original poster sounds like he's looking for something a bit
more cost-effective.
--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
"Terry Morse" <tmo...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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Terry Morse
> Terry: You need to take another look at the TREK 1000C-
>
> http://www.trekbikes.com/bikes/2004/road/1000c.jsp
>
> and you'll find it comes stock with the bars *higher* than the saddle, 28c
> tires, dual brake levers (cyclo-cross style plus STI), all for about $600.
Good price, indeed, but it still appears to be a comfort/hybrid bike
with drop bars. Suspension seatpost? What customer are they
marketing this frankenbike to, any way?
Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles
> with drop bars. Suspension seatpost? What customer are they
> marketing this frankenbike to, any way?
The suspension seatpost can obviously be swapped out; aside from that, I'm
not sure why you find the idea of a "comfort/hybrid" bike with drop bars to
be objectionable. Some "hybrids" are basically touring frames with drop
bars; the distinctions can become quite blurred. Looking at the geometry
for each bike, the main thing that stands out is that TREK has steepened the
seat tube angle a bit, in order to shorten the reach to the bars. The
effective top tube length, given a similar knee position over the pedal, is
probably similar for each bike. Overall the geometry charts for the Romulus
are very confusing though, and tend to reinforce the notion that a bike
needs to be fit in-person.
Regarding the "frankenbike" concept in general, the concept of a
softer-riding bike with suspension seatpost, larger tires and taller (drop)
bars is definitely catching on. I think we're seeing an evolution of the
hybrid customer moving closer to a conventional road bike, but still
concerned about comfort issues. I don't see this as a bad thing, but rather
a way to get more people traveling more miles by bicycle rather than car (or
simply choosing cycling as their preferred recreational activity over any
number of other things).
Curiously, you have me defending a product I really haven't sold. My
preference is to set people up on a conventional road bike, believing that
most people's fears of discomfort are a result of somebody's goofy idea of
fit (flat back, riding on the drops, seats that "you'll get used to" etc).
However, I'm looking to stock more of these in the coming months, as I
believe they're more appropriate than the hybrids (with upright bars) they
might otherwise buy.
David Kerber
Mi...@ChainReaction.com says...
> > Good price, indeed, but it still appears to be a comfort/hybrid bike
> > with drop bars. Suspension seatpost? What customer are they
> > marketing this frankenbike to, any way?
>
> The suspension seatpost can obviously be swapped out; aside from that, I'm
> not sure why you find the idea of a "comfort/hybrid" bike with drop bars to
> be objectionable. Some "hybrids" are basically touring frames with drop
> bars; the distinctions can become quite blurred. Looking at the geometry
> for each bike, the main thing that stands out is that TREK has steepened the
> seat tube angle a bit, in order to shorten the reach to the bars. The
> effective top tube length, given a similar knee position over the pedal, is
> probably similar for each bike. Overall the geometry charts for the Romulus
> are very confusing though, and tend to reinforce the notion that a bike
> needs to be fit in-person.
>
> Regarding the "frankenbike" concept in general, the concept of a
> softer-riding bike with suspension seatpost, larger tires and taller (drop)
> bars is definitely catching on. I think we're seeing an evolution of the
You've essentially described a Specialized Sequoiah.
...
> Curiously, you have me defending a product I really haven't sold. My
> preference is to set people up on a conventional road bike, believing that
> most people's fears of discomfort are a result of somebody's goofy idea of
> fit (flat back, riding on the drops, seats that "you'll get used to" etc).
> However, I'm looking to stock more of these in the coming months, as I
> believe they're more appropriate than the hybrids (with upright bars) they
> might otherwise buy.
...
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Mark Jones
> Regarding the "frankenbike" concept in general, the concept of a
> softer-riding bike with suspension seatpost, larger tires and taller
(drop)
> bars is definitely catching on. I think we're seeing an evolution of the
> hybrid customer moving closer to a conventional road bike, but still
> concerned about comfort issues. I don't see this as a bad thing, but
rather
> a way to get more people traveling more miles by bicycle rather than car
(or
> simply choosing cycling as their preferred recreational activity over any
> number of other things).
>
> Curiously, you have me defending a product I really haven't sold. My
> preference is to set people up on a conventional road bike, believing that
> most people's fears of discomfort are a result of somebody's goofy idea of
> fit (flat back, riding on the drops, seats that "you'll get used to" etc).
> However, I'm looking to stock more of these in the coming months, as I
> believe they're more appropriate than the hybrids (with upright bars) they
> might otherwise buy.
a Trek 1200 with a horizontal bar instead of drop bars. I prefer the
SC40 by a very wide margin because of the upright position.
If I had purchased a road bike with drop bars, it probably wouldn't
be ridden much at all. I gave away my old Schwinn LeTour because
I did not like to ride it with the drop bars and there was no reason
for me to spend any money on it.
mark watkins
entry level road bike?