I went out on a bike ride with some friends to Issaquah Thursday. We went to a restaurant and had some food and what-not. Afterwards about half of us went to a park and the other half split off to ride directly back to Seattle. We hung about for a little bit and chit-chatted on the beach and admired the moonlight over the lake on the shortest night of the year.
After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning and did a face plant.
I landed on my chin quite nicely. My friends pulled out a first aid kit and taped some gauze over my injuries and gave me some Advils. Given we were about 20 miles from my home, they called a cab, tried to keep me warm and cheered up.
I got home, dropped off all my things and told my wife I was headed to the ER. After that was the longest night at the ER I've ever spent. Stitches internally in my chin, another layer of stitches on top of that, stitches inside my bottom lip [1]. No concussion, no fractured jaw bones, etc.
My only real kvetch with the hospital is that they prescribed me hydrocodone. My brother and I are the unlucky 3% of the population that a lot of opiates don't do jack for (I don't even get a tiny buzz or anything). They are pretty much exactly like taking 2 tylenol... because they use tylenol as part of the mix.
I mentioned it to the physician but was too tired to argue with her. I know she thought I was trying to argue for a 'stronger' drug or something. No you silly bint! I was trying to argue for a *different* drug family.
Bah.
I do have some dental damage. Two teeth are chipped on the edges and I expect (hope) she can just build them back up. The middle one... not so good. I have 1PM appointment with the dentist, so I'll be leaving for that in a little bit.
I'm doing better now I managed some sleep, some chocolate ice cream and what-not. I'm posting from the comforts of bed via wifi.
Later after I get back from the dentist it will be time to catch up on my British comedy shows I guess.
[0] We had lights, but there were a lot of us, and I was chit chatting with the people I was talking to. I'm going to say the main cause of the wreck was inattention on my part. :-( [1] The Maxilo-facial doctor at First hill Swedish was awesome. The regular ER guy at Cherry Hill Swedish was okay, but they were slow as dirt.
-- Dane Buson - sigd...@unixbigots.org As for the historical record of the execution of this rabble-rousing carpenter, well, he wasn't all that important to them at the time. Just another subversive, though not so blatant about it as, say, the Maccabees. Executed with some petty thieves; do we know _their_ names? From: mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews)
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:43:06 -0700, Dane Buson <d...@unseen.edu> wrote, in part:
>After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our >bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the >road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice >round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning >and did a face plant.
Heal fast, fully, and painlessly.
These things simply CAN happen ... in the (figurative and literal) blink of an eye. This was just $hit luck on your part.
Dilaudid are kinda' cool ... and Zoot has some other remedies that he might be willing to share ;-)
> I went out on a bike ride with some friends to Issaquah Thursday. We > went to a restaurant and had some food and what-not. Afterwards about > half of us went to a park and the other half split off to ride directly > back to Seattle. We hung about for a little bit and chit-chatted on the > beach and admired the moonlight over the lake on the shortest night of > the year.
> After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our > bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the > road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice > round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning > and did a face plant.
> I landed on my chin quite nicely. My friends pulled out a first aid kit > and taped some gauze over my injuries and gave me some Advils. Given we > were about 20 miles from my home, they called a cab, tried to keep me > warm and cheered up.
> I got home, dropped off all my things and told my wife I was headed to > the ER. After that was the longest night at the ER I've ever spent. Stitches > internally in my chin, another layer of stitches on top of that, stitches > inside my bottom lip [1]. No concussion, no fractured jaw bones, etc.
> My only real kvetch with the hospital is that they prescribed me > hydrocodone. My brother and I are the unlucky 3% of the population that > a lot of opiates don't do jack for (I don't even get a tiny buzz or > anything). They are pretty much exactly like taking 2 tylenol... because > they use tylenol as part of the mix.
> I mentioned it to the physician but was too tired to argue with her. I > know she thought I was trying to argue for a 'stronger' drug or > something. No you silly bint! I was trying to argue for a *different* > drug family.
> Bah.
> I do have some dental damage. Two teeth are chipped on the edges and I > expect (hope) she can just build them back up. The middle one... not so > good. I have 1PM appointment with the dentist, so I'll be leaving for > that in a little bit.
> I'm doing better now I managed some sleep, some chocolate ice cream and > what-not. I'm posting from the comforts of bed via wifi.
> Later after I get back from the dentist it will be time to catch up on > my British comedy shows I guess.
> [0] We had lights, but there were a lot of us, and I was chit chatting > with the people I was talking to. I'm going to say the main cause > of the wreck was inattention on my part. :-( > [1] The Maxilo-facial doctor at First hill Swedish was awesome. The > regular ER guy at Cherry Hill Swedish was okay, but they were slow > as dirt.
Dane Buson wrote: > I went out on a bike ride with some friends to Issaquah Thursday. We > went to a restaurant and had some food and what-not. Afterwards about > half of us went to a park and the other half split off to ride > directly > back to Seattle. We hung about for a little bit and chit-chatted on > the beach and admired the moonlight over the lake on the shortest > night of > the year.
> After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our > bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the > road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice > round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning > and did a face plant.
> I landed on my chin quite nicely. My friends pulled out a first aid > kit > and taped some gauze over my injuries and gave me some Advils. Given > we were about 20 miles from my home, they called a cab, tried to keep > me > warm and cheered up.
> I got home, dropped off all my things and told my wife I was headed to > the ER. After that was the longest night at the ER I've ever spent. > Stitches internally in my chin, another layer of stitches on top of > that, stitches inside my bottom lip [1]. No concussion, no fractured > jaw bones, etc.
> My only real kvetch with the hospital is that they prescribed me > hydrocodone. My brother and I are the unlucky 3% of the population > that > a lot of opiates don't do jack for (I don't even get a tiny buzz or > anything). They are pretty much exactly like taking 2 tylenol... > because they use tylenol as part of the mix.
> I mentioned it to the physician but was too tired to argue with her. I > know she thought I was trying to argue for a 'stronger' drug or > something. No you silly bint! I was trying to argue for a *different* > drug family.
> Bah.
> I do have some dental damage. Two teeth are chipped on the edges and > I expect (hope) she can just build them back up. The middle one... > not so good. I have 1PM appointment with the dentist, so I'll be > leaving for > that in a little bit.
> I'm doing better now I managed some sleep, some chocolate ice cream > and what-not. I'm posting from the comforts of bed via wifi.
> Later after I get back from the dentist it will be time to catch up on > my British comedy shows I guess.
> [0] We had lights, but there were a lot of us, and I was chit chatting > with the people I was talking to. I'm going to say the main cause > of the wreck was inattention on my part. :-( > [1] The Maxilo-facial doctor at First hill Swedish was awesome. The > regular ER guy at Cherry Hill Swedish was okay, but they were slow > as dirt.
Great writeup of a not-so-great (sucky city) event. Heal quickly and fully!
Bill "good news is face stuff heals fast usually" S.
> I landed on my chin quite nicely. My friends pulled out a first aid kit > and taped some gauze over my injuries and gave me some Advils. Given we > were about 20 miles from my home, they called a cab, tried to keep me > warm and cheered up.
...
> Later after I get back from the dentist it will be time to catch up on > my British comedy shows I guess.
> [0] We had lights, but there were a lot of us, and I was chit chatting > with the people I was talking to. I'm going to say the main cause > of the wreck was inattention on my part. :-( > [1] The Maxilo-facial doctor at First hill Swedish was awesome. The > regular ER guy at Cherry Hill Swedish was okay, but they were slow > as dirt.
Yikes. Glad your ok. Take 'er easy and get better fast! \\paul
>I went out on a bike ride with some friends to Issaquah Thursday. We > went to a restaurant and had some food and what-not. Afterwards about > half of us went to a park and the other half split off to ride directly > back to Seattle. We hung about for a little bit and chit-chatted on the > beach and admired the moonlight over the lake on the shortest night of > the year.
> After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our > bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the > road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice > round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning > and did a face plant.
> I landed on my chin quite nicely. My friends pulled out a first aid kit > and taped some gauze over my injuries and gave me some Advils. Given we > were about 20 miles from my home, they called a cab, tried to keep me > warm and cheered up.
> I got home, dropped off all my things and told my wife I was headed to > the ER. After that was the longest night at the ER I've ever spent. > Stitches > internally in my chin, another layer of stitches on top of that, stitches > inside my bottom lip [1]. No concussion, no fractured jaw bones, etc.
> My only real kvetch with the hospital is that they prescribed me > hydrocodone.
TAKE IT AND DEMAND A REFILL!! You can sell the hydrocodone on the street for the price of a REALLY nice bike.
> My brother and I are the unlucky 3% of the population that > a lot of opiates don't do jack for (I don't even get a tiny buzz or > anything). They are pretty much exactly like taking 2 tylenol... because > they use tylenol as part of the mix.
> I mentioned it to the physician but was too tired to argue with her. I > know she thought I was trying to argue for a 'stronger' drug or > something. No you silly bint! I was trying to argue for a *different* > drug family.
> Bah.
> I do have some dental damage. Two teeth are chipped on the edges and I > expect (hope) she can just build them back up. The middle one... not so > good. I have 1PM appointment with the dentist, so I'll be leaving for > that in a little bit.
> I'm doing better now I managed some sleep, some chocolate ice cream and > what-not. I'm posting from the comforts of bed via wifi.
> Later after I get back from the dentist it will be time to catch up on > my British comedy shows I guess.
> [0] We had lights, but there were a lot of us, and I was chit chatting > with the people I was talking to. I'm going to say the main cause > of the wreck was inattention on my part. :-( > [1] The Maxilo-facial doctor at First hill Swedish was awesome. The > regular ER guy at Cherry Hill Swedish was okay, but they were slow > as dirt.
> -- > Dane Buson - sigd...@unixbigots.org > As for the historical record of the execution of this rabble-rousing > carpenter, well, he wasn't all that important to them at the time. > Just another subversive, though not so blatant about it as, say, the > Maccabees. Executed with some petty thieves; do we know _their_ names? > From: mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews)
>I went out on a bike ride with some friends to Issaquah Thursday. We > went to a restaurant and had some food and what-not. Afterwards about > half of us went to a park and the other half split off to ride directly > back to Seattle. We hung about for a little bit and chit-chatted on the > beach and admired the moonlight over the lake on the shortest night of > the year.
> After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our > bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the > road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice > round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning > and did a face plant.
> I landed on my chin quite nicely. My friends pulled out a first aid kit > and taped some gauze over my injuries and gave me some Advils. Given we > were about 20 miles from my home, they called a cab, tried to keep me > warm and cheered up.
> I got home, dropped off all my things and told my wife I was headed to > the ER. After that was the longest night at the ER I've ever spent. > Stitches > internally in my chin, another layer of stitches on top of that, stitches > inside my bottom lip [1]. No concussion, no fractured jaw bones, etc.
> My only real kvetch with the hospital is that they prescribed me > hydrocodone. My brother and I are the unlucky 3% of the population that > a lot of opiates don't do jack for (I don't even get a tiny buzz or > anything). They are pretty much exactly like taking 2 tylenol... because > they use tylenol as part of the mix.
> I mentioned it to the physician but was too tired to argue with her. I > know she thought I was trying to argue for a 'stronger' drug or > something. No you silly bint! I was trying to argue for a *different* > drug family.
> Bah.
> I do have some dental damage. Two teeth are chipped on the edges and I > expect (hope) she can just build them back up. The middle one... not so > good. I have 1PM appointment with the dentist, so I'll be leaving for > that in a little bit.
> I'm doing better now I managed some sleep, some chocolate ice cream and > what-not. I'm posting from the comforts of bed via wifi.
> Later after I get back from the dentist it will be time to catch up on > my British comedy shows I guess.
> [0] We had lights, but there were a lot of us, and I was chit chatting > with the people I was talking to. I'm going to say the main cause > of the wreck was inattention on my part. :-( > [1] The Maxilo-facial doctor at First hill Swedish was awesome. The > regular ER guy at Cherry Hill Swedish was okay, but they were slow > as dirt.
> -- > Dane Buson - sigd...@unixbigots.org > As for the historical record of the execution of this rabble-rousing > carpenter, well, he wasn't all that important to them at the time. > Just another subversive, though not so blatant about it as, say, the > Maccabees. Executed with some petty thieves; do we know _their_ names? > From: mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews)
I had a similar faceplant about a month ago, also from inattention, was riding on a paved trail with my hands resting on top of the bar grips, turned to look backwards, one hand slipped off, the other turned the bars and instantly I went over the bars. My face was all bruised and scraped but healed in a couple of weeks. My knee must have twisted badly, because when I got home and in the shower it instantly swelled to about a grapefruit size, off to the ER, no fractures just a sprain. It's still not completely back to normal after a month, but I can use it. Knee injuries are very painful.
>I went out on a bike ride with some friends to Issaquah Thursday. We > went to a restaurant and had some food and what-not. Afterwards about > half of us went to a park and the other half split off to ride directly > back to Seattle. We hung about for a little bit and chit-chatted on the > beach and admired the moonlight over the lake on the shortest night of > the year.
> After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our > bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the > road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice > round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning > and did a face plant.
I hope that you heal quickly with no long-term damage.
"I'm guessing I hit a nice round branch or bottle or something" I am thinking that you probably got some twine caught in the drivetrain.
> I went down with no warning and did a face plant. ... > I landed on my chin quite nicely.
Arrgh! That sucks, man. I feel your pain-- or rather, I remember my own pain upon thinking about yours.
My big faceplant left me looking like an extra from The Simpsons for a little while, then looking like a toothless hillbilly for a year. I was so punch-drunk after the accident that I called the EMT "sweetie", to which she snapped, "I'm not your sweetie!" It seems funnier now that it did at the time.
I now have gum disease that I attribute largely to my extensive, expensive bridgework. That was no fun. I'll never forget the "crunch" sound in my skull when the ER physician jammed a couple of disembodied teeth back into my shattered gums, or the joy of having an occasional bone fragment work its way to the surface over the following couple of years. (I had to tweeze them out of my gums like rough and jagged splinters.)
On the plus side, it looks like you fared substantially better than I did. I think you'll have to settle for lame consolations like that for the time being.
3 to 4 ibuprofens with food, or 2 naproxens with food, should be a substitute for hydrocodone that you can get over the counter. Spirits are also good-- but if you use alcohol, you should lower the dosage of any NSAIDs you are taking. You need your liver even more than you need your teeth, as it turns out.
Ooh Ouch and no opiates! That sucks. Here's to hoping you heal well!
In the 80s I crashed on my face in the tour of Guatemala and got these impressively large blue stitches from an army doctor in fatigues. While they were healing I compared notes back then with Davis Phinney who had recently (at that time) flown face-first into the back of a support vehicle in France. He told me that shaving helped reduce the scarring. I know that sounds counterintuitive. I'm talking well after the face heals (stops seeping, etc). Perhaps the shaving helps regenerate the surface skin cells. So when it's prudent to do so, consider shaving. Anyway good luck. Hope you get back riding soon.
> On Jun 23, 4:45 pm, "DI" wrote: >> "Neil Brooks" wrote: >> > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:21:17 -0400, "Joe S." wrote:
>> >>TAKE IT AND DEMAND A REFILL!! You can sell the hydrocodone on the >> >>street >> >>for the price of a REALLY nice bike.
>> > I heard something like $10/pill for Vicodin. 'zat true??
>> > I just want some Ortlieb panniers. That shouldn't be so hard....
>> I flushed about 20 of them down the sewer a couple of weeks ago, took 3 >> or 4 >> when my knee was screwed up and didn't like the feel they left.
> That must be some toilet, if it can handle 20 Ortlieb panniers!
> I would not expect eating Ortlieb panniers to help with knee pain > either.
> -- > Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia > The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
Oh Well, can't expect everyone to understand logic. Sorry I didn't delete the last line of the OP, but I just thought most people had a thought chain beyond 2 sentences.
> > On Jun 23, 4:45 pm, "DI" wrote: > >> "Neil Brooks" wrote: > >> > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:21:17 -0400, "Joe S." wrote:
> >> >>TAKE IT AND DEMAND A REFILL!! You can sell the hydrocodone on the > >> >>street > >> >>for the price of a REALLY nice bike.
> >> > I heard something like $10/pill for Vicodin. 'zat true??
> >> > I just want some Ortlieb panniers. That shouldn't be so hard....
> >> I flushed about 20 of them down the sewer a couple of weeks ago, took 3 > >> or 4 > >> when my knee was screwed up and didn't like the feel they left.
> > That must be some toilet, if it can handle 20 Ortlieb panniers!
> > I would not expect eating Ortlieb panniers to help with knee pain > > either.
> Oh Well, can't expect everyone to understand logic. Sorry I didn't delete > the last line of the OP, but I just thought most people had a thought chain > beyond 2 sentences.
Class - today's lesson is the proper use of indefinite pronouns.
-- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
DI wrote: > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote in > message news:1182642427.123727.317340@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >> On Jun 23, 4:45 pm, "DI" wrote: >>> "Neil Brooks" wrote: >>>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:21:17 -0400, "Joe S." wrote:
>>>>> TAKE IT AND DEMAND A REFILL!! You can sell the hydrocodone on >>>>> the street >>>>> for the price of a REALLY nice bike.
>>>> I heard something like $10/pill for Vicodin. 'zat true??
>>>> I just want some Ortlieb panniers. That shouldn't be so hard....
{mmmmmmmffffffffffttttttt}
>>> I flushed about 20 of them down the sewer a couple of weeks ago, >>> took 3 or 4 >>> when my knee was screwed up and didn't like the feel they left. >> That must be some toilet, if it can handle 20 Ortlieb panniers!
Oy. (OK, it wasn't bad.)
>> I would not expect eating Ortlieb panniers to help with knee pain >> either.
Oy. (OK, stretching a bit.)
> Oh Well, can't expect everyone to understand logic. Sorry I didn't > delete the last line of the OP, but I just thought most people had a > thought chain beyond 2 sentences.
Ol' Johnny was being FUNNY, DI. I didn't take it as directed at you (except in fun) at all.
> DI wrote: > > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote in > > messagenews:1182642427.123727.317340@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > >> On Jun 23, 4:45 pm, "DI" wrote: > >>> "Neil Brooks" wrote: > >>>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:21:17 -0400, "Joe S." wrote:
> >>>>> TAKE IT AND DEMAND A REFILL!! You can sell the hydrocodone on > >>>>> the street > >>>>> for the price of a REALLY nice bike.
> >>>> I heard something like $10/pill for Vicodin. 'zat true??
> >>>> I just want some Ortlieb panniers. That shouldn't be so hard....
> {mmmmmmmffffffffffttttttt}
> >>> I flushed about 20 of them down the sewer a couple of weeks ago, > >>> took 3 or 4 > >>> when my knee was screwed up and didn't like the feel they left. > >> That must be some toilet, if it can handle 20 Ortlieb panniers!
> Oy. (OK, it wasn't bad.)
> >> I would not expect eating Ortlieb panniers to help with knee pain > >> either.
> Oy. (OK, stretching a bit.)...
Eating 3 or 4 Ortlieb panniers would involve some stretching, so it is not surprising "DI" didn't like the "feel they left".
-- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
Neil Brooks <neil0...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:43:06 -0700, Dane Buson <d...@unseen.edu> > wrote, in part:
>>After an hour or so we decided to also head back and got back on our >>bikes. As we were riding (not fast) down the paved trail back to the >>road, I completely lost control of my bike. I'm guessing I hit a nice >>round branch or bottle or something [0]. I went down with no warning >>and did a face plant.
> Heal fast, fully, and painlessly.
Thanks.
> These things simply CAN happen ... in the (figurative and literal) > blink of an eye. This was just $hit luck on your part.
> Dilaudid are kinda' cool ... and Zoot has some other remedies that he > might be willing to share ;-)
Heh. Now that you mentioned it, I'm surprised some of my friends haven't already offered some horticulture samples.
-- Dane Buson - sigd...@unixbigots.org X windows. Garbage at your fingertips.
Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dane Buson wrote:
>> I went down with no warning and did a face plant. > ... >> I landed on my chin quite nicely.
> Arrgh! That sucks, man. I feel your pain-- or rather, I remember my > own pain upon thinking about yours.
I'll admit, after I got a look at my dental damage, I did remember your story about that sort of thing happening to you.
> My big faceplant left me looking like an extra from The Simpsons for a > little while, then looking like a toothless hillbilly for a year. I > was so punch-drunk after the accident that I called the EMT "sweetie", > to which she snapped, "I'm not your sweetie!" It seems funnier now > that it did at the time.
> I now have gum disease that I attribute largely to my extensive, > expensive bridgework. That was no fun. I'll never forget the > "crunch" sound in my skull when the ER physician jammed a couple of > disembodied teeth back into my shattered gums, or the joy of having an > occasional bone fragment work its way to the surface over the > following couple of years. (I had to tweeze them out of my gums like > rough and jagged splinters.)
Youch! Mine snapped off pretty cleanly, but evidently didn't expose the nerve quite. I visited the dentist at 1pm and she's already temp capped them and laid out what we'll do to fix me up Tuesday morning. It looks a little better and eating is easier.
I <heart> my dentist.
Especially since she does Saturday appointments.
> On the plus side, it looks like you fared substantially better than I > did. I think you'll have to settle for lame consolations like that > for the time being.
Thanks, I'm doing pretty well now. I even managed a nap while Number Two daughter was napping and Tina took Number One daughter out to shop and pick up take away.
> 3 to 4 ibuprofens with food, or 2 naproxens with food, should be a > substitute for hydrocodone that you can get over the counter. Spirits > are also good-- but if you use alcohol, you should lower the dosage of > any NSAIDs you are taking. You need your liver even more than you > need your teeth, as it turns out.
I'm mixing ibuprofen and acetaminophen now (which the doctor said was okay). That seems to be keeping the swelling and pain in check.
-- Dane Buson - sigd...@unixbigots.org "Thou shalt ALWAYS cover thy ass." -Slovotsky's Law #7
Zoot Katz <zootk...@operamail.com> wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:55:06 GMT, Neil Brooks <neil0...@yahoo.com> > wrote:
>>Dilaudid are kinda' cool ... and Zoot has some other remedies that he >>might be willing to share ;-)
> Dental pain responds well to Old Bushmill's, neat.
Hmm, I do have about a third of a bottle left in the cupboard...
> Enough of it makes British comedy somewhat more understandable.
Tangent: My friend Christina is one of the few people I know in technology who's not into British television or film in general. Even though she speaks English fluently, she picked it up in Japan and later the US. So she has a lot of trouble understanding British accents.
All the Indian guys at work understand British accents extremely well and I can talk with them about the older stuff easily. Their sense of humour and jokes tends to be a little orthagonal to the US otherwise.
Oddly enough, the person who amuses me the most at work is a serious looking older Russian women. She has a simply excellent dry wit that comes across especially well in writing. Many's the time I've had to stem guffaws after reading one of her emails.
-- Dane Buson - sigd...@unixbigots.org A billion here, a billion there -- pretty soon it adds up to real money. -- Sen. Everett Dirksen, on the U.S. defense budget
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