Dog & Bike Stories Wanted
D_Frum...@ndersnat.ch
last year. A dog ran in front of me, causing me to swerve and crash.
But the dog owner's insurance people are laying the blame on me,
claiming that I was riding too fast (I was doing about 15 mph), lost
control even though the dog was thirty feet away from me, fishtailed for
sixty feet (really, that's what they're saying!), and finally went down.
So I thought I'd solicit the experiences of others here who may have
had run-ins with dogs, which might have caused a crash or injury, or in
which you were able to avoid the dog.
Anyone have a story they'd like to share?
Thanks!
Bill
thirty-six
I have known two people to have taken headers and died because of dogs
darting in front of them. This is a serious issue, dogs should be
kept under control. In UK only working dogs are permitted with
general access to public roads without collar and leash. You can take
a non-working dog onto the roads without a leash, but it must still be
kept under control. I think that failure to control an animal is seen
as a criminal offence. This would make any collision with a non-
working animal clearly the full responsibility of the animals owner.
No deductions would be placed at court for contributary negligence by
the cyclist. It would obviously be worthwhile in expressing the speed
of the dog when in court.
You should not enter into discussion with the insurer as to laying
blame, it forewarns them of your possible approach in court after
talks break down. The owner is fully responsible because he failed
to control his animal. You took evasive action to preserve your own
life. The crash was minor compared to striking a dog st speed.
Last year? Go to court. Present their refusals. Claim for
frustration, costs incurred with dealing with the claiim and intrest
as well.
Norman
Dogs, as predators, are hardwired to chase fast-
moving things. This instinct is very useful when
subsumed into herding behaviour, and very dif-
ficult to overcome when mounted on a bicycle,
because if the dog sees that you are not attacking
him, he is compelled to pursue. The only fool-
proof method that I know of (having tried water,
shouting "no", etc etc) is 280 grains of plumbum
applied carefully to the skull of the animal in
question. Applicators do vary, so be familiar
with the one you choose, & remember that the
irate owner may inadvertently request that a
similar application be applied to him. Make
sure you have a good excuse.
Dragons
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D_Frum...@ndersnat.ch
I appreciate the advice to seek legal redress in this case. I have
retained a prominent local legal firm that specializes in accident
cases. The case is still in the negotiating phase, and I'm not
particularly eager to see it go all the way to court. I have little
doubt that I'd win, but court can take a LONG time.
My OP was motivated by a letter from the dog owner's insurance
company that my attorney copied to me. I have already written back
pointing out how the dog owner's claims violate everything from common
sense to the laws of physics. (It's clear that neither the insurance
person nor the dog owner knows anything significant about riding a
bike.) I also mentioned the canine predatory instinct. I also pointed
out that the dog should not have been out there unleashed, period. And
I said that it seems an odd coincidence that I have ridden that route
literally 1000 times before without a problem, but suddenly would
coincidentally crash just when the dog happened to be there.
Clearly the dog owner is liable. In fact, since he's insured I don't
know why he feels motivated to try and stonewall like this. What I'm
looking for is anecdotes like thirty-six's about other, preferably
experienced, cyclists, who have been injured because of an unrestrained
dog's persuit/harassment/attack behavior.
My thanks for all the responses so far. Anybody else got something
to chip in? If nothing else, I'd happy to tally up some votes about my
speed. Is 15 mph too fast to keep a bike under control? (I know, I
know, but I'm asking for YOUR opinions.)
Bill
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Pat
> Dogs, as predators, are hardwired to chase fast-
> moving things. This instinct is very useful when
> subsumed into herding behaviour, and very dif-
> ficult to overcome when mounted on a bicycle,
> because if the dog sees that you are not attacking
> him, he is compelled to pursue. The only fool-
> proof method that I know of (having tried water,
> shouting "no", etc etc) is 280 grains of plumbum
> applied carefully to the skull of the animal in
> question. Applicators do vary, so be familiar
> with the one you choose, & remember that the
> irate owner may inadvertently request that a
> similar application be applied to him. Make
> sure you have a good excuse.
Sorry, but my experience is different from yours. You seem to be saying that
nothing can be done about dogs vis a vis chasing bicyclists. I lived and
rode a bike in Germany for 8 years and was never once chased by a dog. My
own dog showed no prediliction to chase after cyclists, either. Why? I
trained her to be disciplined and not to chase. I trained her to know when
to chase something and when not to chase. The problem here is not "dogs will
be dogs, they can't help it" but the lack of responsibility on the dog's
owners. Ergo, the owner is totally at fault in a legal situation.
Pat
Dan O
Friday morning, as dawn approached in a light cold rain, I went past
one of those Rottweiller-type dogs. He was standing on the edge of
the road, and I only saw him (and him me at the same instant) a
fraction of a second before passing within what seemed like a couple
of feet. He was about the size of the Hound of Baskerville. I was so
startled I didn't even have time to say, "Hi, pooch", but instead
yelped some scared little exclamation and started pushing the pedals.
I was already in second-from-the-top gear, but got some good
acceleration. I could hear him coming after me, but apparently I got
a good enough jump and he was a "good dog", 'cause I got away.
(I typically greet barking dogs with, "Hi, pooch", because it seems to
immediately inform them that I'm a man, FWIW, not a gazelle or
something.)
Another time one of those big dogs came after me and was really
closing the gap, when a couple of cars came along from both directions
and I got away.
Another time a dog ran out into the road after me and I watched over
my shoulder as he bounced off the bumper of a car going the other way.
D_Frum...@ndersnat.ch
> Sorry, but my experience is different from yours. You seem to be saying that
> nothing can be done about dogs vis a vis chasing bicyclists. I lived and
> rode a bike in Germany for 8 years and was never once chased by a dog. My
> own dog showed no prediliction to chase after cyclists, either. Why? I
> trained her to be disciplined and not to chase. I trained her to know when
> to chase something and when not to chase. The problem here is not "dogs will
> be dogs, they can't help it" but the lack of responsibility on the dog's
> owners. Ergo, the owner is totally at fault in a legal situation.
Would that it were so in this country. Around here about two months
back, a little boy got his face nearly ripped off by a pit bull. The
dog owner stoutly insists that the kid provoked the dog.
And the owner of the dog that ran in front of me insists that my fall
was my fault.
Bill
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Norman
It's a pretty story, but a well trained dog is a well
trained dog. Once the dog is chasing you, you
ought to realise that you are not dealing with a
well trained dog. Whether or not you can force
the owner to accept responsibility is subservient
to (A) nullifying the immediate problem, (B) locating
the owner, if such exists, & (C) nullifying the owner,
if there are no witnesses.
thirty-six
Only if you're not using studded tyres on black ice, and there's a
wind blowing, and your trying to get a new car battery home by
balancing it on the handlebars. That may cause a less experienced
cyclist to lose control or fall. Yes, the only reason you would lose
control is if the wheels were unstable, you were carrying a heavy load
and travelling too quickly. Actually there's no such thing as to
quickly on a bicycle, it the environment that's wrong. Oh, like
stray dogs. For you to suddenly lose control at 'speed' the bike
would have to be defecvtive in some way. Could be useful to get a
report in the days following the incident, you have kept copies of
performed maintenance history which can be presented in court, and
would be so much the better if authorised by an acknowledged mechanic./
technician/engineer etc.
15mph may be a bit quick for a child's bike but I seem to recalllthat
Raleigh tested their childrens bikes for stability using a speed test
which accelerated the bike up to 40mph. Adult bikes should be stable
at all speeds, unfortunately not all are and it is possibly that this
is the angle of attack. No way at all should a bike be unstable at
15mph and if it was you would hve rejected it as being unsuitable.
Stability is also affected by load, so if you were carrying more than
a packet of cornflakes someone may attempt to claim you were
overloaded. It is certainly possible to lose control of a bicycle at
15mph if it was overloaded and on rough ground but extremely
unlikely.
15mph - too fast? It's the stopping that hurts, not the speed. Make
it 45mph and I'm happy. 15mph is slow.
Pat
The point is that dogs are not hard-wired to only chase. Many, many dogs do
not chase and of those who do, not all do so seriously. Some are just in it
for the fun or the exercise and do not intend harm. I just don't like it
when people use the "the dog has no choice about the matter" type of excuse.
Pat
thirty-six
> The point is that dogs are not hard-wired to only chase. Many, many dogs do
> not chase and of those who do, not all do so seriously. Some are just in it
> for the fun or the exercise and do not intend harm. I just don't like it
> when people use the "the dog has no choice about the matter" type of excuse.
I have been bitten in the street by a dog without it receiving any
provocation. I was bit on the thigh and it hurt a lot. I have not
been bitten when actually on the bike although dogs have tried. I
would not like there to be a first time. If a dog chases I shout. If
it continues I grab my pump and show it. If it still continues the
pump gets mobilised and very occasionally a dog will still attack and
get wallopped across the head. With a bit of luck, as has happened,
this has hurt sufficiently for the dogs to consider it not worth their
while. There are dogs which a thump on the head will only aggravate
them, be prepared to smash your pump to save being bitten, keep
striking out and you should hit them in the eye, this stops a dog.
Carrying a.22 pistol where allowed may be a good decision where dogs
form packs and attack cyclists. This is not an option in the UK.
There are other tools which may be used against a dog but the the pump
is readily available and has yet to fail me. I turn around if I
suspect a dog pack.
Bill Baka
>
> I have been bitten in the street by a dog without it receiving any
> provocation. I was bit on the thigh and it hurt a lot. I have not
> been bitten when actually on the bike although dogs have tried. I
> would not like there to be a first time. If a dog chases I shout. If
> it continues I grab my pump and show it. If it still continues the
> pump gets mobilised and very occasionally a dog will still attack and
> get wallopped across the head. With a bit of luck, as has happened,
> this has hurt sufficiently for the dogs to consider it not worth their
> while. There are dogs which a thump on the head will only aggravate
> them, be prepared to smash your pump to save being bitten, keep
> striking out and you should hit them in the eye, this stops a dog.
> Carrying a.22 pistol where allowed may be a good decision where dogs
> form packs and attack cyclists. This is not an option in the UK.
> There are other tools which may be used against a dog but the the pump
> is readily available and has yet to fail me. I turn around if I
> suspect a dog pack.
There seem to be at least 2 distinct personality types among dogs.
With some it is a token bark for some attention while others will just
chase with the intent of biting.
If I have to run a gauntlet of dogs (known mean ones) I will carry My
dad's WWII machete very obviously and not concealed. I have a .22 semi
that holds 18 shots but thanks to the new laws I find my gun is illegal.
Shit, let's just make everything illegal.
Bill Baka (with dog scars)
Dan C
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thirty-six
> thirty-six wrote:
>
> > I have been bitten in the street by a dog without it receiving any
> > provocation. I was bit on the thigh and it hurt a lot. I have not
> > been bitten when actually on the bike although dogs have tried. I
> > would not like there to be a first time. If a dog chases I shout. If
> > it continues I grab my pump and show it. If it still continues the
> > pump gets mobilised and very occasionally a dog will still attack and
> > get wallopped across the head. With a bit of luck, as has happened,
> > this has hurt sufficiently for the dogs to consider it not worth their
> > while. There are dogs which a thump on the head will only aggravate
> > them, be prepared to smash your pump to save being bitten, keep
> > striking out and you should hit them in the eye, this stops a dog.
> > Carrying a.22 pistol where allowed may be a good decision where dogs
> > form packs and attack cyclists. This is not an option in the UK.
> > There are other tools which may be used against a dog but the the pump
> > is readily available and has yet to fail me. I turn around if I
> > suspect a dog pack.
>
> There seem to be at least 2 distinct personality types among dogs.
> With some it is a token bark for some attention while others will just
> chase with the intent of biting.
"Oh, he doesn't bite."
"And he's not getting the chance"
I cant understand these owners who dont understand dogs. They have
few objectives. Keep warm, keep belly full, find a mate, hunt.
Unless the animal is a well worked dog or has had the chase trained
out of him, he will chase a cyclist because he sees him as prey. When
he gets close enough, he will attept to bring you down by either
pouncing at your body for which you have no defence except the pistol
or he will attept to grab your leg. This is not a malicious streak,
it is purely hunting. The point is that shouting in a deep voice
usually shows the dog that you are not prey, prey screams, and this is
why children get attacked.
Although owners believe their dog wont bite, I've seen enough non-
biting dogs perform quite well at their first timein the collection of
a rabbit or rat to know that when a dog chases a bite will follow
should the dog catch up to his prey.
> If I have to run a gauntlet of dogs (known mean ones) I will carry My
> dad's WWII machete very obviously and not concealed.
Cant do that here. Basically if you are not working a blade it needs
to be cased. If you are carrying it, you need to have a working
reason for carrrying it.. There are exclusion zones in city centres
where no knives at all are permitted to be carried, so technically
even a 1" penknife would be out of order. The exception is a blade
under 3" for which you may carry, I think it may have to be a folder
and no quick draw knives are allowed. Any display of any knife could
get you arrested in the city by the wrong bobby.
>I have a .22 semi
> that holds 18 shots but thanks to the new laws I find my gun is illegal.
> Shit, let's just make everything illegal.
Just watch your tax bills rise.
Bill Baka
> On 21 Nov, 00:14, Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> There seem to be at least 2 distinct personality types among dogs.
>> With some it is a token bark for some attention while others will just
>> chase with the intent of biting.
>
> "Oh, he doesn't bite."
> "And he's not getting the chance"
>
> I cant understand these owners who dont understand dogs.
Red Necks with pick'em up trucks.
They have
> few objectives. Keep warm, keep belly full, find a mate, hunt.
> Unless the animal is a well worked dog or has had the chase trained
> out of him, he will chase a cyclist because he sees him as prey.
There were children out yet the dog hit me so hard he knocked me off the
bike. When I got up I was so pissed I tried to catch the dog to break
it's neck. It was a 100 pound something mutt and I wanted blood, since
mine was running down my leg. I caught his owner who rode a bicycle out
to get his mail and he smart assed me with "What are you gonna do, hit
me now?". Close, really close call for him I wasn't any more pissed off.
I called 911 and demanded a squad car and animal control. They both came
out and the sheriff's guys said it was not a police matter. WTF???
Animal control was better as she sat with me while we watched the jerk
load his (not my dog) into the back of his truck. She radioed ahead to
make sure he got there and was marked as a biting 'put down'. I couldn't
get the owner since he was one of those that never licensed his dogs nor
had shots. 2 neighbors came out and said it was, in fact, his dog, and
he was the neighborhood a$$hole.
When
> he gets close enough, he will attept to bring you down by either
> pouncing at your body for which you have no defence except the pistol
> or he will attept to grab your leg. This is not a malicious streak,
> it is purely hunting. The point is that shouting in a deep voice
> usually shows the dog that you are not prey, prey screams, and this is
> why children get attacked.
Trust me, I yelled at the damn dog.
>
> Although owners believe their dog wont bite, I've seen enough non-
> biting dogs perform quite well at their first timein the collection of
> a rabbit or rat to know that when a dog chases a bite will follow
> should the dog catch up to his prey.
This particular owner was white trash all the way through.
>
>> If I have to run a gauntlet of dogs (known mean ones) I will carry My
>> dad's WWII machete very obviously and not concealed.
>
> Cant do that here. Basically if you are not working a blade it needs
> to be cased. If you are carrying it, you need to have a working
> reason for carrrying it.. There are exclusion zones in city centres
> where no knives at all are permitted to be carried, so technically
> even a 1" penknife would be out of order. The exception is a blade
> under 3" for which you may carry, I think it may have to be a folder
> and no quick draw knives are allowed. Any display of any knife could
> get you arrested in the city by the wrong bobby.
I think I have that covered since I don't live by any big city and most
of my riding is done in the boondocks anyway.
>
>> I have a .22 semi
>> that holds 18 shots but thanks to the new laws I find my gun is illegal.
>> Shit, let's just make everything illegal.
>
> Just watch your tax bills rise.
Amen.
Sigh.
Bill Baka
Dan C
>> he gets close enough, he will attept to bring you down by either
>> pouncing at your body for which you have no defence except the pistol
>> or he will attept to grab your leg. This is not a malicious streak, it
>> is purely hunting. The point is that shouting in a deep voice usually
>> shows the dog that you are not prey, prey screams, and this is why
>> children get attacked.
> Trust me, I yelled at the damn dog.
I bet you were screaming like a little girl-bitch. Weren't you?
>> Although owners believe their dog wont bite, I've seen enough non-
>> biting dogs perform quite well at their first timein the collection of
>> a rabbit or rat to know that when a dog chases a bite will follow
>> should the dog catch up to his prey.
>
> This particular owner was white trash all the way through.
Ahhh, one of your relatives, then, eh?
>>> I have a .22 semi
>>> that holds 18 shots but thanks to the new laws I find my gun is
>>> illegal. Shit, let's just make everything illegal.
>> Just watch your tax bills rise.
> Amen.
> Sigh.
> Bill Baka
Hey Bill, weren't you one of the koolaid slurping sheep who was all in
favor of Obambi and company a year ago? How's all that Hope And Change
working out for ya? The only thing changing is that the fucking
Obamasiah is attempting to turn this country into a communist block
country, all the while apologizing to every shit-stain third world
country leader for the bad things the US has done. He's a fucking
embarrassment, just as you are.
Simon Lewis
> thirty-six wrote:
>>
>> I have been bitten in the street by a dog without it receiving any
>> provocation. I was bit on the thigh and it hurt a lot. I have not
>> been bitten when actually on the bike although dogs have tried. I
>> would not like there to be a first time. If a dog chases I shout. If
>> it continues I grab my pump and show it. If it still continues the
>> pump gets mobilised and very occasionally a dog will still attack and
>> get wallopped across the head. With a bit of luck, as has happened,
>> this has hurt sufficiently for the dogs to consider it not worth their
>> while. There are dogs which a thump on the head will only aggravate
>> them, be prepared to smash your pump to save being bitten, keep
>> striking out and you should hit them in the eye, this stops a dog.
>> Carrying a.22 pistol where allowed may be a good decision where dogs
>> form packs and attack cyclists. This is not an option in the UK.
>> There are other tools which may be used against a dog but the the pump
>> is readily available and has yet to fail me. I turn around if I
>> suspect a dog pack.
>
> There seem to be at least 2 distinct personality types among dogs.
At least 2 eh? Wow. Such insight.
> With some it is a token bark for some attention while others will just
> chase with the intent of biting.
OK ... I follow. I think ....
> If I have to run a gauntlet of dogs (known mean ones) I will carry My
> dad's WWII machete very obviously and not concealed. I have a .22 semi
Sure you do Bill.
> that holds 18 shots but thanks to the new laws I find my gun is illegal.
> Shit, let's just make everything illegal.
>
> Bill Baka (with dog scars)
You're a bullshitter.
You do not carry a machete at all.
Simon Lewis
> thirty-six wrote:
>> On 21 Nov, 00:14, Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>> There seem to be at least 2 distinct personality types among dogs.
>>> With some it is a token bark for some attention while others will just
>>> chase with the intent of biting.
>>
>> "Oh, he doesn't bite."
>> "And he's not getting the chance"
>>
>> I cant understand these owners who dont understand dogs.
>
> Red Necks with pick'em up trucks.
>
> They have
>> few objectives. Keep warm, keep belly full, find a mate, hunt.
>> Unless the animal is a well worked dog or has had the chase trained
>> out of him, he will chase a cyclist because he sees him as prey.
>
> There were children out yet the dog hit me so hard he knocked me off the
> bike. When I got up I was so pissed I tried to catch the dog to break
> it's neck. It was a 100 pound something mutt and I wanted blood, since
You are so hard Bill.
> mine was running down my leg. I caught his owner who rode a bicycle out
> to get his mail and he smart assed me with "What are you gonna do, hit
> me now?". Close, really close call for him I wasn't any more pissed
> off.
Phew! You might have macheted him eh Bill? My god you're a bullshit
artist!
> I called 911 and demanded a squad car and animal control. They both came
> out and the sheriff's guys said it was not a police matter. WTF???
He came out eh? You hadn't already told them what the issue was?
> Animal control was better as she sat with me while we watched the jerk
> load his (not my dog) into the back of his truck. She radioed ahead to
> make sure he got there and was marked as a biting 'put down'. I couldn't
> get the owner since he was one of those that never licensed his dogs nor
> had shots. 2 neighbors came out and said it was, in fact, his dog, and
> he was the neighborhood a$$hole.
No wonder you didn't like him. Position taken.
>
> When
>> he gets close enough, he will attept to bring you down by either
>> pouncing at your body for which you have no defence except the pistol
>> or he will attept to grab your leg. This is not a malicious streak,
>> it is purely hunting. The point is that shouting in a deep voice
>> usually shows the dog that you are not prey, prey screams, and this is
>> why children get attacked.
>
> Trust me, I yelled at the damn dog.
Screamed I bet!
>>
>> Although owners believe their dog wont bite, I've seen enough non-
>> biting dogs perform quite well at their first timein the collection of
>> a rabbit or rat to know that when a dog chases a bite will follow
>> should the dog catch up to his prey.
>
> This particular owner was white trash all the way through.
Ever the racist eh Bill?
>>
>>> If I have to run a gauntlet of dogs (known mean ones) I will carry My
>>> dad's WWII machete very obviously and not concealed.
>>
>> Cant do that here. Basically if you are not working a blade it needs
>> to be cased. If you are carrying it, you need to have a working
>> reason for carrrying it.. There are exclusion zones in city centres
>> where no knives at all are permitted to be carried, so technically
>> even a 1" penknife would be out of order. The exception is a blade
>> under 3" for which you may carry, I think it may have to be a folder
>> and no quick draw knives are allowed. Any display of any knife could
>> get you arrested in the city by the wrong bobby.
>
> I think I have that covered since I don't live by any big city and most
> of my riding is done in the boondocks anyway.
Sure it is. Where cows match you for 2 miles.
>>
>>> I have a .22 semi
>>> that holds 18 shots but thanks to the new laws I find my gun is illegal.
>>> Shit, let's just make everything illegal.
>>
>> Just watch your tax bills rise.
>
> Amen.
> Sigh.
> Bill Baka
You are a wonderful Troll! Never, ever give it up!
Bill Baka
> Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes:
>
>> There seem to be at least 2 distinct personality types among dogs.
>
> At least 2 eh? Wow. Such insight.
I did say "At least" so I covered my ass, OK with you, the resident ass?
>
>> With some it is a token bark for some attention while others will just
>> chase with the intent of biting.
>
> OK ... I follow. I think ....
You? I have my doubts.
>
>> If I have to run a gauntlet of dogs (known mean ones) I will carry My
>> dad's WWII machete very obviously and not concealed.
Local cops said I could but had to buy a sheath since it is so sharp.
I have a .22 semi
>
> Sure you do Bill.
>
>> that holds 18 shots but thanks to the new laws I find my gun is illegal.
Yeah, I do. I bought it about 32 years ago to plink cans with and for my
wife to go on fishing trips with her best friend. It was legal when I
bought it and the cop said if I bought it that long ago it was legal.
I put a hunting scope on it so it looks more like a 30-06 than a .22.
>> Shit, let's just make everything illegal.
>>
>> Bill Baka (with dog scars)
>
> You're a bullshitter.
I have the scars to prove it.
>
> You do not carry a machete at all.
>
I have on occasion but managed to lose the sheath in a move way back
when. I can't tuck it in my belt or it will get cut and it is too much
bother to hold it and ride so it sits next to my two bows with broken
strings. This area needs a good surplus outlet for me to go nuts and buy
things I don't even need.
Bill Baka
Bill Baka
> Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes:
>
>> thirty-six wrote:
>>> On 21 Nov, 00:14, Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> There seem to be at least 2 distinct personality types among dogs.
>>>> With some it is a token bark for some attention while others will just
>>>> chase with the intent of biting.
>>> "Oh, he doesn't bite."
>>> "And he's not getting the chance"
>>>
>>> I cant understand these owners who dont understand dogs.
>> Red Necks with pick'em up trucks.
>>
>> They have
>>> few objectives. Keep warm, keep belly full, find a mate, hunt.
>>> Unless the animal is a well worked dog or has had the chase trained
>>> out of him, he will chase a cyclist because he sees him as prey.
>> There were children out yet the dog hit me so hard he knocked me off the
>> bike. When I got up I was so pissed I tried to catch the dog to break
>> it's neck. It was a 100 pound something mutt and I wanted blood, since
>
> You are so hard Bill.
Harder than you, pussy.
>
>> mine was running down my leg. I caught his owner who rode a bicycle out
>> to get his mail and he smart assed me with "What are you gonna do, hit
>> me now?". Close, really close call for him I wasn't any more pissed
>> off.
>
> Phew! You might have macheted him eh Bill? My god you're a bullshit
> artist!
OMG you are *so* stupid. The machete only goes when I am going into the
woods, known to have bears, wild pigs (with bad attitudes), and
sometimes some brush to clear for a new trail. When I say I go for long
rides far from *any* people I mean it.
>
>> I called 911 and demanded a squad car and animal control. They both came
>> out and the sheriff's guys said it was not a police matter. WTF???
>
> He came out eh? You hadn't already told them what the issue was?
I did and they came anyway, saw who the guy was, and told me it was none
of their business. What's up with that?
>
>> Animal control was better as she sat with me while we watched the jerk
>> load his (not my dog) into the back of his truck. She radioed ahead to
>> make sure he got there and was marked as a biting 'put down'. I couldn't
>> get the owner since he was one of those that never licensed his dogs nor
>> had shots. 2 neighbors came out and said it was, in fact, his dog, and
>> he was the neighborhood a$$hole.
>
> No wonder you didn't like him. Position taken.
I did it by the book that time and stayed out of trouble. That kind of
dog is just not needed around kids with no leash. The neighbors wanted
me to press charges but since he never registered the dog there was no
proof it was his, just 30 or so neighbors who knew the real deal.
>
>> When
>>> he gets close enough, he will attept to bring you down by either
>>> pouncing at your body for which you have no defence except the pistol
>>> or he will attept to grab your leg. This is not a malicious streak,
>>> it is purely hunting. The point is that shouting in a deep voice
>>> usually shows the dog that you are not prey, prey screams, and this is
>>> why children get attacked.
>> Trust me, I yelled at the damn dog.
>
> Screamed I bet!
Yelled in a very loud voice.
>
>>> Although owners believe their dog wont bite, I've seen enough non-
>>> biting dogs perform quite well at their first timein the collection of
>>> a rabbit or rat to know that when a dog chases a bite will follow
>>> should the dog catch up to his prey.
>> This particular owner was white trash all the way through.
>
> Ever the racist eh Bill?
Should I have said "White Nigger"? These days the 'N' word applies to
many white people.
>
>>>> If I have to run a gauntlet of dogs (known mean ones) I will carry My
>>>> dad's WWII machete very obviously and not concealed.
>>> Cant do that here. Basically if you are not working a blade it needs
>>> to be cased. If you are carrying it, you need to have a working
>>> reason for carrrying it.. There are exclusion zones in city centres
>>> where no knives at all are permitted to be carried, so technically
>>> even a 1" penknife would be out of order. The exception is a blade
>>> under 3" for which you may carry, I think it may have to be a folder
>>> and no quick draw knives are allowed. Any display of any knife could
>>> get you arrested in the city by the wrong bobby.
>> I think I have that covered since I don't live by any big city and most
>> of my riding is done in the boondocks anyway.
>
> Sure it is. Where cows match you for 2 miles.
There you go again. I said the cows trotted along side me until the
fence, which was much less than a mile. I ride for the miles, not trying
to do Lance Armstrong speed. The cows were merely interesting. How could
even an idiot like you think I was bragging?
>
>>>> I have a .22 semi
>>>> that holds 18 shots but thanks to the new laws I find my gun is illegal.
Actually, the gun is legal since I bought it before the new laws.
I want to see if it will fire short rounds so I could stuff it with
about 30 rounds.
>>>> Shit, let's just make everything illegal.
>>> Just watch your tax bills rise.
>> Amen.
>> Sigh.
>> Bill Baka
>
> You are a wonderful Troll! Never, ever give it up!
Who's trolling? I did what I said but there are never any witnesses with
cameras. I am actually sorry for those of you who think I am totally
trolling but the only real troll I ever did was the damned tricycle
thing. I've lived a totally non-typical life and have done some things
that should have been fatal but, as you can see, I still live and breath.
So sorry if that offends you.
Bill Baka
Simon Lewis
> Simon Lewis wrote:
>> Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes:
>>
>>> There seem to be at least 2 distinct personality types among dogs.
>>
>> At least 2 eh? Wow. Such insight.
>
> I did say "At least" so I covered my ass, OK with you, the resident
> ass?
LOL. Thanks Bill. If you hadn't said anything we would have all thought
that Dogs had only one personality type. Thats the problem with self
professed geniuses like you : you're too dumb to realise the limitation
of your own knowledge and too dumb to release the extent of other peoples.
But thanks for a good laugh!
Machete!!!
hahahahahahaha
You're an idiot.
Simon Lewis
> Simon Lewis wrote:
>> Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes:
>>
>>> thirty-six wrote:
>>>> On 21 Nov, 00:14, Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> There seem to be at least 2 distinct personality types among dogs.
>>>>> With some it is a token bark for some attention while others will just
>>>>> chase with the intent of biting.
>>>> "Oh, he doesn't bite."
>>>> "And he's not getting the chance"
>>>>
>>>> I cant understand these owners who dont understand dogs.
>>> Red Necks with pick'em up trucks.
>>>
>>> They have
>>>> few objectives. Keep warm, keep belly full, find a mate, hunt.
>>>> Unless the animal is a well worked dog or has had the chase trained
>>>> out of him, he will chase a cyclist because he sees him as prey.
>>> There were children out yet the dog hit me so hard he knocked me off the
>>> bike. When I got up I was so pissed I tried to catch the dog to break
>>> it's neck. It was a 100 pound something mutt and I wanted blood, since
>>
>> You are so hard Bill.
>
> Harder than you, pussy.
Sure Bill. Rock you are!
>>
>>> mine was running down my leg. I caught his owner who rode a bicycle out
>>> to get his mail and he smart assed me with "What are you gonna do, hit
>>> me now?". Close, really close call for him I wasn't any more pissed
>>> off.
>>
>> Phew! You might have macheted him eh Bill? My god you're a bullshit
>> artist!
>
> OMG you are *so* stupid. The machete only goes when I am going into the
> woods, known to have bears, wild pigs (with bad attitudes), and
> sometimes some brush to clear for a new trail. When I say I go for long
> rides far from *any* people I mean it.
What about dogs with more than personality! Please stop! You're cracking
me up.
Clearing a trail!!!!!??!?!? ROTFLM!
>>
>>> I called 911 and demanded a squad car and animal control. They both came
>>> out and the sheriff's guys said it was not a police matter. WTF???
>>
>> He came out eh? You hadn't already told them what the issue was?
>
> I did and they came anyway, saw who the guy was, and told me it was none
> of their business. What's up with that?
It sounds like you made it up.
>>
>>> Animal control was better as she sat with me while we watched the jerk
>>> load his (not my dog) into the back of his truck. She radioed ahead to
>>> make sure he got there and was marked as a biting 'put down'. I couldn't
>>> get the owner since he was one of those that never licensed his dogs nor
>>> had shots. 2 neighbors came out and said it was, in fact, his dog, and
>>> he was the neighborhood a$$hole.
>>
>> No wonder you didn't like him. Position taken.
>
> I did it by the book that time and stayed out of trouble. That kind of
Bad boy eh Bill? Woooo....
> dog is just not needed around kids with no leash. The neighbors wanted
> me to press charges but since he never registered the dog there was no
> proof it was his, just 30 or so neighbors who knew the real deal.
I never heard so much bullshit. The dog is his if the dog lives with
him.
Because you were.
>>
>>>>> I have a .22 semi
>>>>> that holds 18 shots but thanks to the new laws I find my gun is illegal.
>
> Actually, the gun is legal since I bought it before the new laws.
> I want to see if it will fire short rounds so I could stuff it with
> about 30 rounds.
>
>>>>> Shit, let's just make everything illegal.
>>>> Just watch your tax bills rise.
>>> Amen.
>>> Sigh.
>>> Bill Baka
>>
>> You are a wonderful Troll! Never, ever give it up!
>
> Who's trolling? I did what I said but there are never any witnesses with
> cameras. I am actually sorry for those of you who think I am totally
> trolling but the only real troll I ever did was the damned tricycle
> thing. I've lived a totally non-typical life and have done some things
> that should have been fatal but, as you can see, I still live and breath.
>
> So sorry if that offends you.
> Bill Baka
No. You thinking we believe half of your nonsense humours me!
Bill Baka
> Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes:
>
>> Simon Lewis wrote:
>>> Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> thirty-six wrote:
>>>>> On 21 Nov, 00:14, Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> There seem to be at least 2 distinct personality types among dogs.
>>>>>> With some it is a token bark for some attention while others will just
>>>>>> chase with the intent of biting.
>>>>> "Oh, he doesn't bite."
>>>>> "And he's not getting the chance"
>>>>>
>>>>> I cant understand these owners who dont understand dogs.
>>>> Red Necks with pick'em up trucks.
>>>>
>>>> They have
>>>>> few objectives. Keep warm, keep belly full, find a mate, hunt.
>>>>> Unless the animal is a well worked dog or has had the chase trained
>>>>> out of him, he will chase a cyclist because he sees him as prey.
>>>> There were children out yet the dog hit me so hard he knocked me off the
>>>> bike. When I got up I was so pissed I tried to catch the dog to break
>>>> it's neck. It was a 100 pound something mutt and I wanted blood, since
>>> You are so hard Bill.
>> Harder than you, pussy.
>
> Sure Bill. Rock you are!
Come to my neck of the woods and try me!
>
>>>> mine was running down my leg. I caught his owner who rode a bicycle out
>>>> to get his mail and he smart assed me with "What are you gonna do, hit
>>>> me now?". Close, really close call for him I wasn't any more pissed
>>>> off.
>>> Phew! You might have macheted him eh Bill? My god you're a bullshit
>>> artist!
>> OMG you are *so* stupid. The machete only goes when I am going into the
>> woods, known to have bears, wild pigs (with bad attitudes), and
>> sometimes some brush to clear for a new trail. When I say I go for long
>> rides far from *any* people I mean it.
>
> What about dogs with more than personality!
What? Dogs that are 'packing heat'?
Please stop! You're cracking
> me up.
How does one crack up a fool?
>
> Clearing a trail!!!!!??!?!? ROTFLM!
>
Yes, actually re-clearing some old trails. You obviously have no clue of
how or where I ride these days. I can honestly say I have been to
Timbuctoo and back. Dead serious. It was an old Wells Fargo stage stop.
How could I make that up?
>>>> I called 911 and demanded a squad car and animal control. They both came
>>>> out and the sheriff's guys said it was not a police matter. WTF???
>>> He came out eh? You hadn't already told them what the issue was?
>> I did and they came anyway, saw who the guy was, and told me it was none
>> of their business. What's up with that?
>
> It sounds like you made it up.
>
If they came out it is in the log somewhere, as it is at animal control.
>>>> Animal control was better as she sat with me while we watched the jerk
>>>> load his (not my dog) into the back of his truck. She radioed ahead to
>>>> make sure he got there and was marked as a biting 'put down'. I couldn't
>>>> get the owner since he was one of those that never licensed his dogs nor
>>>> had shots. 2 neighbors came out and said it was, in fact, his dog, and
>>>> he was the neighborhood a$$hole.
>>> No wonder you didn't like him. Position taken.
>> I did it by the book that time and stayed out of trouble. That kind of
>
> Bad boy eh Bill? Woooo....
By the book Bill this time. I know most of the police around here. The
little boy who lived next to the house I owned is now an officer, and
pretty good at it too.
>
>> dog is just not needed around kids with no leash. The neighbors wanted
>> me to press charges but since he never registered the dog there was no
>> proof it was his, just 30 or so neighbors who knew the real deal.
>
> I never heard so much bullshit. The dog is his if the dog lives with
> him.
>
Moron. Idiot! Not according to the law unless an officer pays him a
visit and spots the dog in the house. California laws tend to protect
the guilty, especially if the owner has a shiny new pick up and the
complainer is on a bicycle.
Please explain to me and the group just how in the hell you think that
was a brag!!!!
>
>>>>>> I have a .22 semi
>>>>>> that holds 18 shots but thanks to the new laws I find my gun is illegal.
>> Actually, the gun is legal since I bought it before the new laws.
>> I want to see if it will fire short rounds so I could stuff it with
>> about 30 rounds.
>>
>>>>>> Shit, let's just make everything illegal.
>>>>> Just watch your tax bills rise.
>>>> Amen.
>>>> Sigh.
>>>> Bill Baka
>>> You are a wonderful Troll! Never, ever give it up!
>> Who's trolling? I did what I said but there are never any witnesses with
>> cameras. I am actually sorry for those of you who think I am totally
>> trolling but the only real troll I ever did was the damned tricycle
>> thing. I've lived a totally non-typical life and have done some things
>> that should have been fatal but, as you can see, I still live and breath.
>>
>> So sorry if that offends you.
>> Bill Baka
>
> No. You thinking we believe half of your nonsense humours me!
>
>
And the fact that you actually think I am making this up just tells me
what a pathetic, overly protected life you must lead. Poor little boy,
living his life in a safe padded room.
Condolences on your cowardice.
Bill Baka
Bill Baka
> Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes:
>
>> Simon Lewis wrote:
>>> Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> There seem to be at least 2 distinct personality types among dogs.
>>> At least 2 eh? Wow. Such insight.
>> I did say "At least" so I covered my ass, OK with you, the resident
>> ass?
>
> LOL. Thanks Bill. If you hadn't said anything we would have all thought
> that Dogs had only one personality type. Thats the problem with self
> professed geniuses like you : you're too dumb to realise the limitation
> of your own knowledge and too dumb to release the extent of other peoples.
Speaking of dumb, is your spell checker broken or is it you?
>
> But thanks for a good laugh!
>
> Machete!!!
For real, minus the tip.
>
> hahahahahahaha
>
> You're an idiot.
I think a new word would be needed for you.
Bill Baka
Simon Lewis
> Simon Lewis wrote:
>> Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes:
>>
>>> Simon Lewis wrote:
>>>> Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> There seem to be at least 2 distinct personality types among dogs.
>>>> At least 2 eh? Wow. Such insight.
>>> I did say "At least" so I covered my ass, OK with you, the resident
>>> ass?
>>
>> LOL. Thanks Bill. If you hadn't said anything we would have all thought
>> that Dogs had only one personality type. Thats the problem with self
>> professed geniuses like you : you're too dumb to realise the limitation
>> of your own knowledge and too dumb to release the extent of other peoples.
>
> Speaking of dumb, is your spell checker broken or is it you?
It should have been "realise". It was not, however, a spelling mistake.
>>
>> But thanks for a good laugh!
>>
>> Machete!!!
>
> For real, minus the tip.
>>
>> hahahahahahaha
>>
>> You're an idiot.
>
> I think a new word would be needed for you.
> Bill Baka
Please don't call me that!