Giving in?
D_Fru...@ndersnat.ch
Jobst Brandt
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13869047
what this writer's position on the subject is unclear, but in many
regions in the USA and abroad, stop signs, and traffic lights are
interpreted as YIELD signs for careful bicyclists who usually slow
enough to make it a "rolling stop" similar to what cars often do for
intersections where speed and visibility of cross-traffic make it
safe.
San Jose CA police seem to consider this standard, because I often
ride by that method through red lights on the main street in the
presence of police cruisers and have not been stopped by any of them.
That would be mainly on Santa Clara avenue, but the responses on
Coleman and Alum Rock avenues are similar.
Jobst Brandt
Manuel
>a shy person offered:
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> http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13869047
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>what this writer's position on the subject is unclear, but in many
>regions in the USA and abroad, stop signs, and traffic lights are
>interpreted as YIELD signs for careful bicyclists who usually slow
>enough to make it a "rolling stop" similar to what cars often do for
>intersections where speed and visibility of cross-traffic make it
>safe.
I think it to be a logical way to cross an intersection... and it is
also safe, anyway, since if there is visibility, there's no danger at
all.
The problem is when the visibility is scarce, then I'm not sure how
the law consider this.
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Here in clean & beautiful Philly, I have yet to see a _car_ make
a full stop for any reason other than imminent collision. Even
then you can tell they deem it the other driver's fault. & that's
not even touching on the stunningly creative geniuses we
know as "jersey drivers".
As far as bicycles are even noticed, we are pretty much allowed
to do as we please. Right now there is a bit of proposed legis-
lation to increase the fines for brakelessness to $1000 (& there
was supposed to be some more draconian enforcement of the
sidewalk riding laws as well (NB draconian is humour in this
context, I've never seen a cyclist enforced against here)) which,
pass or not, probably won't make a gnat's whisker's difference
to behaviour.
Last night I collided with a fellow who was running a red light
on his BSO. No injuries & I didn't have a light, so we were
both a bit unwilling to assign blame. He did rather smell of
some herbal substance. Good times.
I apologise for this post going long.
Dan O
> http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13869047
"... it irks the motorists... ", and, "Did you see that #$%&*@!
bicyclist just blow through that stop sign?"
That's a fair summary: They honk and yell and fuss and whine for
enforcement, even when the bicyclist's actions in no way impede or
interfere with anyone.
"If there isn't a car coming, the cyclist could go through", and,
"It's safer for bikes to continue through stops than it is for cars to
do so".
Efficiency and conservation of motion issues aside, In many - if not
most - cases, the bicyclist simply and safely proceeding to get on
through, out of, and away from the intersection actually minimizes
potential confusion and delay for everyone.
thirty-six
Clear the hazrad point as quickly as possible if it is safe to do so,
is good technique. This applies to junctions as well as overtaking.
Joy Beeson
There is only one traffic rule: thou shalt be predictable.
All else is commentary.
On 26 Nov 2009 19:53:49 GMT, Jobst Brandt <jbr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> . . . in many
> regions in the USA and abroad, stop signs, and traffic lights are
> interpreted as YIELD signs for careful bicyclists who usually slow
> enough to make it a "rolling stop" similar to what cars often do for
> intersections where speed and visibility of cross-traffic make it
> safe.
[more snipped]
If a vehicle operator does not bring his vehicle to a full and
complete stop at a stop sign, then he is morally responsible for
*anything* that happens as a result of his presence in the
intersection.
So if I'm not certain that nothing undesirable can happen, I come to a
full and complete stop.
There are occasions when I'll execute a "rolling stop" in my car, but
those occasions are much scarcer per mile in a car than they are on a
bicycle -- owing, in part, to the much better field of view that a
cyclist has.
--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
LF
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> http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13869047
>
> what this writer's position on the subject is unclear, but in many
> regions in the USA and abroad, stop signs, and traffic lights are
> interpreted as YIELD signs for careful bicyclists who usually slow
> enough to make it a "rolling stop" similar to what cars often do for
> intersections where speed and visibility of cross-traffic make it
Jobst,
I've heard this jokingly referred to as a "California roll."
Best,
Larry "rolling a little north of boston" Fieman
D_Fru...@ndersnat.ch
> On Nov 26, 10:59 am, D_Frumiu...@ndersnat.ch wrote:
> > http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13869047
> "... it irks the motorists... ", and, "Did you see that #$%&*@!
> bicyclist just blow through that stop sign?"
> That's a fair summary: They honk and yell and fuss and whine for
> enforcement, even when the bicyclist's actions in no way impede or
> interfere with anyone.
> "If there isn't a car coming, the cyclist could go through", and,
> "It's safer for bikes to continue through stops than it is for cars to
> do so".
<SNIP>
I personally roll through some stop signs if I'm in a
subdivision-type area and there's not traffic. I still stop if I'm
crossing a major street, and ALWAYS for red lights. I think that's what
this measure would legalize.
Bill
__o | Life is like a bicycle. To keep your balance
_`\(,_ | you must keep moving.
(_)/ (_) | --Albert Einstein