I was born white.
WOOOHOOO!!!
Gosh, I just love my white pride!
McCorporate Multinationals subverting all that doesn't enrich the top
1% of the organization;
CEO
Exec VP'S
Boards of Directors
_Healthcare_: Any WEALTHY MODERN nation that looks the other way while
her own people die and suffer, is deeply, deeply sick.
Regards,
Illegal aliens are not "Her [America's] own People".
But that's beside the point. A person from Africa who braved every
hardship imaginable to come and live in America was asked why he wanted to
live here. His reply was "Because America is only country on earth where
poor people are fat".
SotR
S(ot)omize(R)...You've managed to confuse issues. As much as the illegal
alien concern is real, using it as a cover for the larger reality;
Tens of millions of _native_born_US_citizens_ have undergone living hell
as insurance companies and "providers" have turned their backs on them.
> Biggest threat facing America is the impact of
McCorporate Multinationals subverting all that doesn't enrich the top
1% of the organization;
CEO
Exec VP'S
Boards of Directors
_Healthcare_: Any WEALTHY MODERN nation that looks the other way while
her own people die and suffer, is deeply, deeply sick.
Regards,
P.S. So(tomize)R...
While you've got a chub on for illegial aliens, Africans, etc.,
[attempting to dilute / co-opt the Healthcare issue with your own
biased H88 agenda...] factual reality here on Earth, in the USA has been
underway for decades:
You are the one confusing issues. The OP's point was exactly about ILLEGAL
IMMIGRANTS, not legal American citizens in poverty. If we got rid of just a
fraction of these people sucking the tit of the American tax payer (to
borrow from Chuck Grassley) then there would be a lot more money to help the
legal Americans.
But noooo, you only see what you want to see.
SotR
The idea that they come here to deliver babies who then become citizens
and we have to then pay for their care is disgusting
Child molesters and Used Car Salesman have a better reputation now
than Bankers and Whore Street execs .
And most citizens making the annual wage of the illegal do not pay any
income taxes either.
Yes, but "citizens" being the operative word here. I don't have any problem
with legal immigration. But make these people come here via the legal
system.
SotR
Sounds like Glenn Beck talking -to obfuscate and issue.
Sot(omize(R),
What "you want to see" is the thread go off on illegal aliens,
minorities, etc...that's why you erased:
SotR
True. Bring back the Bracero program. Temporary work permits. But do not
use the excuse they do not pay income taxes as legals are not paying them
either in the same pay grade.
> I didn't erase anything, I was responding to the point.
>
> SotR
>
>
OK... ---> http://tinyurl.com/SoTvsFact
Point on that, Fido. ;-)
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
>And most citizens making the annual wage of the illegal do not pay any
>income taxes either.
They pay social security, but don't benefit from it.
>Yes, but "citizens" being the operative word here. I don't have any problem
>with legal immigration. But make these people come here via the legal
>system.
But any children born here are citizens just like me.
SotR
True they can stay. But don't try to feed me this lie they we are breaking
up families. They're free to leave the country with their padres y madres.
Why? No where does the law actually say that the children of illegals are
required to considered citizens.
and while you're down and kicked,
If a person is born on U.S. soil, they're a U.S. citizen. It's in the
Constitution.....
If they are born in the United States, shit-for-brains, they are citizens.
Ever read the 14th Amendment? Or do you not consider Constitutional
Amendments law?
Section 1. All persons *born* or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any
law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty,
or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within
its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
The Supremes have not expanded upon that definition specifically to
cover those children of illegals born here, but most sane people
do not think they have to do so. I suggest lower courts would consider
it black letter law.
Bilious, you really ought to retire yourself along with your senility.
These guys are primo *iLL*. The most effective way to deal with them is
ridicule, including proof-source refutations where appropriate (as
you have, here). Nice going! M
Where are they "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" they are here
illegally.
Ahhh...reading comprehension... ? ;-)
_That_ is your response to:
>> If they are born in the United States, shit-for-brains, they are
>> citizens.
?
HK probably gave up on bothering to discuss the matter with you. I can
clearly see why. :-) M
Why don't you "study up" on the meaning of "subject to the jurisdiction
thereof" and get back to us?
After you figure that part out, please tell us how someone born in a
U.S. hospital is here "illegally," since that someone is immediately a
U.S. citizen.
Really, Bilious.
You should move to Gilligan's Island, where I'm
sure you'd be happier.
Everybody else would be, too.
--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
> You should move to Gilligan's Island, where I'm
> sure you'd be happier.
what are the laws there?
AIUI in the past that included ocean liners (when ocean
liners existed. US ocean liners are/were US territory.)
I dunno fer sher how it works for US airliners, but I'd
think it's the same deal.
Back in the post WWII years there were a number of
children born on US ocean liners bringing pregnant
immigrants from Europe. And their parents weren't
yet officially Americans -- their own kids beat them
to the punch, just by being born in the right place,
which could have been in the middle of the Atlantic
Ocean. Probably in rough seas, at 2:30 AM.
cheers,
Tom
If Little Buddy screws up, you get to whap him
with your hat.
And everybody gets a turn at making electricity
by pedaling the stationary bike.
I am going to procede as if this is a valid attempt to understand the
subject. Bill, imagine yourself going on a trip to Italy. Once you cross the
border, you are subject to the jurisdiction of the Italian authorities. Any
person, anywhere, is always subject to the legal jurisdiction of the country
in which they are occupying a space.
If you are still in the airplane on your way to Italy, you are under the
jurisdiction of the United States lawful authorities, and, in particular,
the captain of the airplane.
That's just the way it is....
Pat in TX
Oh yeah, it's the same deal: the captain of that airplane is in charge. If
it's a Swissair plane, you're under the jurisdiction of Switzerland. Bottom
line: there is no place on earth where a person is not under some country's
jurisdiction.
Pat in TX
Unless the person(s) have diplomatic immunity.
--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll
I keep one or two of those under my bed.
I guess I've reached that age.
Except my waters are pretty territorial
and my jurisdiction, as are my vessels.
Beats having to take a walk in the middle
of the night.
Forgive me -- I'm human, like all the rest
of us riff-raff from all over the world.
Let's put it this way: Everyone there is white, but the Skipper,
Gilligan, and the Professor are almost certainly gay since all three
of them seem perfectly content to keep their relationships with Mary
Ann and Ginger on a platonic basis even after years of isolation. Of
course, Mary Ann and Ginger may well be an item too. They seem to
spend a lot of time off-camera together...
In short, if you're okay with gay racists you ought to fit right in.
Really dumbshit. The court has actually never ruled on the Anchor Babies.
The 14th when it went in force did not include some people born in the USA.
Did not include indians born on reservations. Maybe you should do a little
reading on the subject.
> Really dumbshit. The court has actually never ruled on the Anchor
> Babies.
They don't need to since it's spelled out pretty clearly in black and
white in the Amendment.
I love it when the so-called "strict constructionist" frauds get caught
in their own trap.
True, but people born on a reservation are considered US Citizens now.
Rules change as interpretations change. Why I said the court has not ruled
on the anchor babies, but they could very well declare them non citizens.
The law does not stand as it reads. As the court has not really said what
it reads.
Not spelled out. The indians were not considered citizens when born on the
reservation even after the 14th amendment.
As I stated, pretty much black letter law. There's no need for the
Supremes to get into this, and they haven't. Native Americans were not
considered citizens back then only because of white boy discrimination
and because by not considering them citizens, it was easier to exploit them.
We're not going back to white rule, Bilious. Get over your hate.
Even the right-wing court we now have is not going down that road,
bilious. Sorry, the days of white boy rule are over.
> They don't need to since it's spelled out pretty clearly in black and
> white in the Amendment.
> I love it when the so-called "strict constructionist" frauds get caught
> in their own trap.
Rich, I thought you didn't cross-post off-topic political nonsense to
alt.guitar? You threw a tantrum last time I accused you of being a
hypocrite and then you had to go and prove me right.
Just like they are here. The stupid looking, skinny guy is screwing
everything up.
Well, you've hit pay dirt in rec.boats, where at least a half-dozen
regular posters are regular white racists.
I guess you meant this to be funny, but you didn't spend enough time
thinking it through. The people on the island were all white because that's
who chartered the boat that particular day. It doesn't make them racist!
You assume everyone is gay. That says more about you than it does about
them.
Pat
You lost! You lost! Get used to it! After 8 years of the stupid looking,
poor English skills, faux Texan, the American people rose up and said
"Enough of this idiocy!" That's why your party is enjoying a 26% approval
rate. You're just a bitter loser.
Pat in TX
Stupid lefty elitist. Where the hell I say anything about white rule? You
are the racist pig of the newsgroup. I am stating about legal status for a
kid snuck into the country while still in the womb. Does not matter what
color. Whites from Eastern European countries are doing the same thing.
>> We're not going back to white rule, Bilious. Get over your hate.
>
> Stupid lefty elitist. Where the hell I say anything about white rule? You
> are the racist pig of the newsgroup. I am stating about legal status for a
> kid snuck into the country while still in the womb. Does not matter what
> color. Whites from Eastern European countries are doing the same thing.
>
>
*Imagine* the _audacity_ of a parent wanting a better life for their
children. Who do they think they are-- American's?
Bill...you're a full douche bag on fire. :-) M
I think he is referring to the U.S. Supreme Court.
> Some European nations have legally closed the
> anchor baby loophole for the same reasons that many are concerned about in
> America. They are far from being right-wing. A rational citizenry knows
> when they are being played for fools.
Isn't it true in the context of the 14th that the proviso was to clarify the
status of former slaves and their descendents? Take care
--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad
IF they can be arrested and tried for crimes committed, if they are
compelled to pay taxes (like sales taxes) etc. they ARE under the
jurisdiction of the USA. Take care
Correct.
One of the reasons why the criminal Bush Admin took those guys to GITMO
was because they thought it was not "subject to the jurisdiction."
I always thought GITMO was an ironic choice. Here we have been
castigating Castro for 50 years for how he holds mock trial and abuses
prisoners, and we turn around and do the same damned thing, on Cuban
soil. The Cubans should have abrogated the damned lease.
We have been dishonored internationally in horrible ways by the Bush Admin.
All you have to do is read it to see how it reads... Ummmmm. . . 2nd
Amendment?
Nope. True fact. The rulings just not have been made by the Supremes.
Yeah, any day now, right, Bilious?
Talking about douche bags. They can bring their family to America. Get in
line like the rest of the legal immigrants. Under your resoning, someone
can rob a bank or liquor store because they want a better life for the
children.
It would be better if for each hard-working immigrant family, we could
deport one useless old right-wing fart who contributes nothing but whines.
Pack your bags, Bilious.
What country would take him?
I vote for Somalia.... he can be the liaison guy for the American shippers
federation.
> So I pointed out that some European countries have passed
> laws to ban anchor babies.
Gosh SoRRy 'bout u'r LucK mayB u can get PEDOSHINE to adopt u'r PuNK ASS
--
Shit Shat FaTTy Ass, give The PIG a Bone, this BIG FAT SLOB goes rolling home
PEDOTARD PIG FACE SHITSHINE the GREASY CIRCUS PIG
& WORTHLESS DELUSIONAL LYING PATHETIC PATHOLOGICAL
PERVERT'd FAT STUPID ReTARD'd PEDOPHILE RABID WARTHOG says WHAT???
You think there is room there for the white boys here who don't like
blacks?
Pat in TX
It can't change the Constitution. There has to be a Constitutional amendment
to do that.
Pat in TX
The court cannot change it. It has to be done with an amendment to the
Constitution.
Pat in TX
I wish I could figure this out. What would killing someone in, say, France,
make someone a citizen of America? What law, exactly, says an American
police officer can arrest and try someone who kills an American in another
country?
Pat in TX
The Supremes have not ruled on it. The DC decision was thought as going to
be a ruling. But decision was a narrow ruling on DC only.
You seem to be the useless gas bag.
Amazing. Just Amazing. You ever had an original thought?
Seems as if that describes you. My former fishing partner was black. From
Harrisburg, PA even. Since he lost a leg to diabetes he does not go out on
the boat anymore. What black friends do you have? Hell, what friends do
you have?
I'm sure the 'locals' would make room...at least temporarily.
Hee hee...that's the first comment you guys make......
'I have black friends'...etc
And I'm sure one of bilious bill's best friends is...Jewish! :>)
Sammy Davis!
Here are some anti-white hate sites:
michaelmoore.com
huffingtonpost.com
dailykos.com
msnbc.com
cnn.com
http://tinyurl.com/mvm420
Look on the bright side. Caucasians will soon be a minority in this
country.
~~ Snerk ~~ That's our Kalif Swill.
Since it's the start of the weekend, I guess we can excuse him.
Wow! I guess you think that reality is "anti-white." Or else you think that
only Republicans are white....go figure!
>On Apr 15, 12:36?pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> http://www.newnation.org/?New Nation News
>>
>> http://www.wvwnews.net/?Western Voices World News
>>
>> http://www.amren.com/? American Renaissance
>>
>> http://www.vdare.com/?V-Dare
>>
>> http://www.halturnershow.com/?Hal Turner Show
>>
>> Biggest threat facing America is the impact of illegal
>> immigration. Over 2,000 Americans killed yearly by
>> illegal aliens. Population explosion due to high mestizo*
>> birth rate. All leading to total cultural distortion.
>>
>> ted
>>
>> *Mestizo: A spanish speaking third-worlder whose DNA is appx.
>> 80% central American indian, 15% negro from freed slaves who
>> bred with indians, 5% european. Group IQ 87. Illegal alien cost yearly
>> to taxpayers 383 billion dollars.
>
>
>
>Here are some anti-white hate sites:
>
>michaelmoore.com
>huffingtonpost.com
>dailykos.com
>msnbc.com
>cnn.com
>http://tinyurl.com/mvm420
Look out, the black choppers are overhead watching.
Actually married to a Catholic in the church by a Monsignor, with a JW best
man and a Jewish groomsman. Jewish sister in law. I grew up without racial
prejudices. Best friend in grammar school was 2nd generation Chinese, and
my RN mom's LVN and best friend until she died was black. Went to a mixed
race school and had a black student body president on term. It seems as if
the extreme left wingers on the board are the bigots. Both you and Harry
being prime examples. Don is just stupid. I did not run into prejudice
until I went to Ohio in Jan. 1964. First place I saw a whites only sign was
Joplin, Missouri. Not even the deep south. A distance relative was an anti
slave attorney who signed the Declaration of Independence. Why are you and
Harry so bigoted?