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Roy Smith

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Oct 28, 2009, 8:03:28 PM10/28/09
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A couple of months ago, I injured my back. I'm just graduating from PT
(physical therapy) and returning to the world of the living. I need to
find some sort of exercise to replace the PT, but can't see myself getting
back on my old road bike (a Fuji 12-speed which has served me well for
probably 25 years).

I "rode" a stationary recumbent in the gym as part of PT and found it
comfortable. Now I'm thinking of one that's got wheels and moves and all
that good stuff.

I stopped by Metro Cycle in New Rochelle today, but they don't have any.
Doesn't sound like there's much demand. Any place in the NYC area
(preferably Westchester or The Bronx) where I can go see some and take one
for a test ride?

Edward Dolan

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Oct 28, 2009, 8:37:55 PM10/28/09
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"Roy Smith" <r...@panix.com> wrote in message
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I would confine my recumbent bicycle riding to bike trails (paths) in NYC.
Otherwise, you will soon be back getting some more PT for further injuries
due to cycling on those "mean streets".

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Ron Wallenfang

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Oct 28, 2009, 9:23:01 PM10/28/09
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I disagree. I have a daughter, son-in-law and two grandkids who live
in Scarsdale, and when visiting them, have done a fair amount of bike
riding in Scarsdale, Eastchester, New Rochelle and White Plains
(intending to branch out further on future trips) and not found
traffic to be a big problem except on selected busy roads (e.g. Route
22). Their 3 year old, when accompanied of course, rides her bike
with training wheels half a dozen blocks to a school with good
playground equipment. You will have no problem developing routes with
as much or as little traffic as you want.

Where you will have a bit of a problem is with hills. I've ridden a
recumbent only up and down my cousin's driveway a couple times, but
had a companion who rode one on my 1998 LA - Milwaukee trip (http://
www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/4722). He was fully my equal and then
some on level ground and going downhill, but lagged well behind on
uphill stretches. Other recumbent riders I know have similarly
remarked about difficulties climbing hills. But though it's a hilly
area, I assume you can also find routes with only hills you find
manageable.

Edward Dolan

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Oct 28, 2009, 9:44:30 PM10/28/09
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"Ron Wallenfang" <rwall...@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 28, 7:37 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Roy Smith" <r...@panix.com> wrote in message
>
> news:roy-6747E2.2...@news.panix.com...
>
> >A couple of months ago, I injured my back. I'm just graduating from PT
> > (physical therapy) and returning to the world of the living. I need to
> > find some sort of exercise to replace the PT, but can't see myself
> > getting
> > back on my old road bike (a Fuji 12-speed which has served me well for
> > probably 25 years).
>
> > I "rode" a stationary recumbent in the gym as part of PT and found it
> > comfortable. Now I'm thinking of one that's got wheels and moves and all
> > that good stuff.
>
> > I stopped by Metro Cycle in New Rochelle today, but they don't have any.
> > Doesn't sound like there's much demand. Any place in the NYC area
> > (preferably Westchester or The Bronx) where I can go see some and take
> > one
> > for a test ride?
>
> I would confine my recumbent bicycle riding to bike trails (paths) in NYC.
> Otherwise, you will soon be back getting some more PT for further injuries
> due to cycling on those "mean streets".

>>> I disagree. I have a daughter, son-in-law and two grandkids who live


in Scarsdale, and when visiting them, have done a fair amount of bike
riding in Scarsdale, Eastchester, New Rochelle and White Plains
(intending to branch out further on future trips) and not found
traffic to be a big problem except on selected busy roads (e.g. Route
22). Their 3 year old, when accompanied of course, rides her bike
with training wheels half a dozen blocks to a school with good
playground equipment. You will have no problem developing routes with
as much or as little traffic as you want.

What does any of the above have to do with NYC? You are describing suburban
cycling, not urban cycling. All the boroughs of NYC are extremely dangerous
for cyclists unless you stay on the bike paths.
[...]

landotter

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Oct 28, 2009, 9:47:17 PM10/28/09
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Put out some noise on craigslist. Bent riders will bend backwards to
bring you into the fold and likely offer you test rides and advice.

Also, in NYC you should be able to find shops selling bolt upright
Dutch and Brit type bikes, worth a try as well.

Ron Wallenfang

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Oct 28, 2009, 10:14:29 PM10/28/09
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On Oct 28, 8:44 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Ron Wallenfang" <rwallenf...@wi.rr.com> wrote in message

>
 I have a daughter, son-in-law and two grandkids who live
>
> in Scarsdale, and when visiting them, have done a fair amount of bike
> riding in Scarsdale, Eastchester, New Rochelle and White Plains
> (intending to branch out further on future trips) and not found
> traffic to be a big problem except on selected busy roads (e.g. Route
> 22).  Their 3 year old, when accompanied of course, rides her bike
> with training wheels half a dozen blocks to a school with good
> playground equipment.  You will have no problem developing routes with
> as much or as little traffic as you want.
>
> What does any of the above have to do with NYC? You are describing suburban
> cycling, not urban cycling. All the boroughs of NYC are extremely dangerous
> for cyclists unless you stay on the bike paths.
> [...]
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ed, you are an incorrigable curmudgeon. Here's the area the poster
described:

"I stopped by Metro Cycle in New Rochelle today, but they don't have
any.
Doesn't sound like there's much demand. Any place in the NYC area
(preferably Westchester or The Bronx) where I can go see some and take
one
for a test ride? "

I think my response was responsive. But as it happens, I have two
other kids living in Manhattan and have also biked there quite a
bit. Yes the Hudson River bike route is good, but so is Central
Park. Biking from either the Upper West side or from Soho to Mass at
St. Patrick's Cathedral, or to or from the Brooklyn Bridge is also no
problem. I saw a respsectable amount of bike traffic throughout the
Borough. My experience crossing the entire metro area is more
dubious. See days 13 and 14 of this report: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/4631


Roy Smith

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Oct 28, 2009, 11:02:21 PM10/28/09
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In article
<e65de5ce-6c4a-401b...@z29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
Ron Wallenfang <rwall...@wi.rr.com> wrote:

> My experience crossing the entire metro area is more
> dubious. See days 13 and 14 of this report:
> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/4631

Interesting -- sounds like you pretty much rode right past my house on Day
13! The "long park" you rode through was Pelham Bay Park, and the "e/w
parkway with many walkers, joggers and kids playing in the greenway" is
Pelham Parkway.

And you weren't on Fordham Street, you were on Fordham Road. There is a
Fordham Street, but not on that route :-)

Simon Lewis

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Oct 28, 2009, 11:40:02 PM10/28/09
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landotter <land...@gmail.com> writes:

> On Oct 28, 7:03 pm, Roy Smith <r...@panix.com> wrote:
>> A couple of months ago, I injured my back.  I'm just graduating from PT
>> (physical therapy) and returning to the world of the living.  I need to
>> find some sort of exercise to replace the PT, but can't see myself getting
>> back on my old road bike (a Fuji 12-speed which has served me well for
>> probably 25 years).
>>
>> I "rode" a stationary recumbent in the gym as part of PT and found it
>> comfortable.  Now I'm thinking of one that's got wheels and moves and all
>> that good stuff.
>>
>> I stopped by Metro Cycle in New Rochelle today, but they don't have any.  
>> Doesn't sound like there's much demand.  Any place in the NYC area
>> (preferably Westchester or The Bronx) where I can go see some and take one
>> for a test ride?
>
> Put out some noise on craigslist. Bent riders will bend backwards to
> bring you into the fold and likely offer you test rides and advice.

If you're not American that sounds pretty funny.

In English terms a "Bent Rider" would be a homosexual one.

landotter

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Oct 28, 2009, 11:49:18 PM10/28/09
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On Oct 28, 10:40 pm, Simon Lewis <simonlewis2...@gmail.com> wrote:

A toad in the hole at my local bar goes for $50 out back!

Edward Dolan

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Oct 29, 2009, 12:34:49 AM10/29/09
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"Ron Wallenfang" <rwall...@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 28, 8:44 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Ron Wallenfang" <rwallenf...@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>
I have a daughter, son-in-law and two grandkids who live
>
> in Scarsdale, and when visiting them, have done a fair amount of bike
> riding in Scarsdale, Eastchester, New Rochelle and White Plains
> (intending to branch out further on future trips) and not found
> traffic to be a big problem except on selected busy roads (e.g. Route
> 22). Their 3 year old, when accompanied of course, rides her bike
> with training wheels half a dozen blocks to a school with good
> playground equipment. You will have no problem developing routes with
> as much or as little traffic as you want.
>
> What does any of the above have to do with NYC? You are describing
> suburban
> cycling, not urban cycling. All the boroughs of NYC are extremely
> dangerous
> for cyclists unless you stay on the bike paths.
> [...]

>> Ed, you are an incorrigable curmudgeon. Here's the area the poster
described:

>> "I stopped by Metro Cycle in New Rochelle today, but they don't have
any. Doesn't sound like there's much demand. Any place in the NYC area
(preferably Westchester or The Bronx) where I can go see some and take
one for a test ride? "

The subject title of this thread was Recumbents in NYC, not Recumbents in
New Rochelle.
In any event, The Bronx is NYC.

>> I think my response was responsive. But as it happens, I have two
other kids living in Manhattan and have also biked there quite a
bit. Yes the Hudson River bike route is good, but so is Central
Park. Biking from either the Upper West side or from Soho to Mass at
St. Patrick's Cathedral, or to or from the Brooklyn Bridge is also no
problem. I saw a respsectable amount of bike traffic throughout the
Borough. My experience crossing the entire metro area is more
dubious. See days 13 and 14 of this report:
http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/4631

I personally would not enjoy cycling in NYC except on the bike paths. Why
would anyone want to play Russian roulette on a bicycle with motor vehicles
on those mean streets of NYC?

The very best places for cyclists to enjoy their rides are in small towns.
You will be safer there and still be able to do a lot of miles.

Edward Dolan

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Oct 29, 2009, 12:39:56 AM10/29/09
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"Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> landotter <land...@gmail.com> writes:
[...]

>> Put out some noise on craigslist. Bent riders will bend backwards to
>> bring you into the fold and likely offer you test rides and advice.
>
> If you're not American that sounds pretty funny.
>
> In English terms a "Bent Rider" would be a homosexual one.

I do not like the term 'bent' either. What is this mania for shortening all
words if possible. 'Recumbent' is a perfectly good word for describing the
kind of bicycles that we ride even though we are not actually in a recumbent
position. We are in a semi-recumbent position.

Tom Keats

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Oct 29, 2009, 12:48:41 AM10/29/09
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In article <BJudnaYEVpz0hnTX...@prairiewave.com>,
"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:

> The very best places for cyclists to enjoy their rides are in small towns.
> You will be safer there and still be able to do a lot of miles.

I like riding in my hometown medium-sized city, 'cuz
it affords places to go to and, things to do.

Riding here in Vancouver BC is as safe as you make it.

Tell yuh what: I've come to hate riding through the
wilderness for the sole purpose of getting to the
other end, and then heading home again. I already
know what a bunch of trees looks like.

A lot of empty miles is a waste of my time.


cheers,
Tom

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I'm really at:
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Edward Dolan

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Oct 29, 2009, 1:51:43 AM10/29/09
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"Tom Keats" <tkeat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <BJudnaYEVpz0hnTX...@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:
>
>> The very best places for cyclists to enjoy their rides are in small
>> towns.
>> You will be safer there and still be able to do a lot of miles.
>
> I like riding in my hometown medium-sized city, 'cuz
> it affords places to go to and, things to do.
>
> Riding here in Vancouver BC is as safe as you make it.
>
> Tell yuh what: I've come to hate riding through the
> wilderness for the sole purpose of getting to the
> other end, and then heading home again. I already
> know what a bunch of trees looks like.
>
> A lot of empty miles is a waste of my time.

I think Tom Keats and I are on the same page here. I prefer to ride my bike
around town too as opposed to riding in the countryside. Almost any town
will present plenty of opportunities to create a ride that is both enjoyable
and interesting. Once I leave town, I have got to be going somewhere or else
it is a waste of time and energy.

Look at this way - folks have spend most of their lives caring for their
houses and properties. Is it not worthwhile to have a closer look at what is
the result of all this time and effort. In fact, I would say slow down so
you can get a better look at it all. Just riding your bike to pile up the
miles is a form of insanity.

Indeed ... places to go and things to see and do! Your hometown!

Stephen Bauman

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Oct 29, 2009, 8:17:40 AM10/29/09
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I came up with the following link after googling.

http://www.nycrecumbentsupply.com/

It does mean traveling off the mainland to Brooklyn.

Stephen Bauman

Roy Smith

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Oct 29, 2009, 10:04:56 AM10/29/09
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In article <S8OdnW4i6b95GnTX...@speakeasy.net>,
Stephen Bauman <sba...@abt.net> wrote:

> http://www.nycrecumbentsupply.com/

Cool, thanks!

Norman

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Oct 29, 2009, 2:54:19 PM10/29/09
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On Oct 29, 12:34 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> I personally would not enjoy cycling in NYC except on the bike paths. Why
> would anyone want to play Russian roulette on a bicycle with motor vehicles
> on those mean streets of NYC?
>
> The very best places for cyclists to enjoy their rides are in small towns.
> You will be safer there and still be able to do a lot of miles.

It's like a trout farm: no salmon. The greatest danger in
NYC is from food delivery bicycles swimming upstream
in the bike lanes.

At least in the country, you only have to deal with the oc-
casional 40ft wing disc or the odd jd7720, shoulderless
roads, and 5ft deep ditches to duck into when that grain
buggy comes whippin' past at 85mph.

Edward Dolan

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Oct 29, 2009, 3:31:23 PM10/29/09
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"Norman" <invasiv...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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There are plenty of dangers in riding rural roads, but small town streets
are comparatively quite safe. By far the biggest danger riding almost
anywhere are the drunk drivers. After they hit you, they will say, without
any exceptions, that they did not see you. It is why I am death on drunk
drivers. They should be executed on the spot with a pistol shot to their
stupid heads.

Edward Dolan

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Oct 29, 2009, 9:00:43 PM10/29/09
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"Roy Smith" <r...@panix.com> wrote in message
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Roy, many folks look in on the Hostel Shoppe of Stevens Point, Wisconsin for
their recumbent needs. This bike shop is a Mecca of the Upper Midwest and it
is highly mail order oriented. They even publish a yearly catalog which is a
cornucopia of recumbent information. Here is their website address:

http://www.hostelshoppe.com/

Bill Baka

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Oct 29, 2009, 10:01:23 PM10/29/09
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Well, Mr. Ed,
We are on the same page then. I go out to enjoy the ride, meet people,
and explore side streets I might never even have seen in the car. Many
of my tools are road kill specials that fell out of some red necks'
truck and bounced into the weeds. I hate riding the same roads over and
over and I am not in training for anything more than my own health, so
what if I average 20 MPH and talk to nobody or 10 MPH and stop at every
little hint of a sale, I am enjoying myself and staying fit. I have 39
years left in 'my' Century and want them to be more than saddle sore and
sweaty showers every day.
Trees?
California sucks for trees in the central valley since they were cut
down for all the damned rice farming, so when I find a tree, I take time
to enjoy the shade.
As for Minnesota, I have lived there and vacationed there many times,
and the trees are so nice after the City, why are you complaining??

Bill Baka

Edward Dolan

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Oct 29, 2009, 10:34:34 PM10/29/09
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"Bill Baka" <bb...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Tom Keats" <tkeat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:9r6bch...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> In article <BJudnaYEVpz0hnTX...@prairiewave.com>,
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> The very best places for cyclists to enjoy their rides are in small
>>>> towns.
>>>> You will be safer there and still be able to do a lot of miles.
>>> I like riding in my hometown medium-sized city, 'cuz
>>> it affords places to go to and, things to do.
>>>
>>> Riding here in Vancouver BC is as safe as you make it.
>>>
>>> Tell yuh what: I've come to hate riding through the
>>> wilderness for the sole purpose of getting to the
>>> other end, and then heading home again. I already
>>> know what a bunch of trees looks like.
>>>
>>> A lot of empty miles is a waste of my time.
>>
>> I think Tom Keats and I are on the same page here. I prefer to ride my
>> bike around town too as opposed to riding in the countryside. Almost any
>> town will present plenty of opportunities to create a ride that is both
>> enjoyable and interesting. Once I leave town, I have got to be going
>> somewhere or else it is a waste of time and energy.
>>
>> Look at it this way - folks have spent most of their lives caring for
>> their houses and properties. Is it not worthwhile to have a closer look
>> at what is the result of all this time and effort. In fact, I would say
>> slow down so you can get a better look at it. Just riding your bike to
>> pile up the miles is a form of insanity.
>>
>> Indeed ... places to go and things to see and do! Your hometown!
>>
> Well, Mr. Ed,
> We are on the same page then. I go out to enjoy the ride, meet people, and
> explore side streets I might never even have seen in the car. Many of my
> tools are road kill specials that fell out of some red necks' truck and
> bounced into the weeds. I hate riding the same roads over and over and I
> am not in training for anything more than my own health, so what if I
> average 20 MPH and talk to nobody or 10 MPH and stop at every little hint
> of a sale, I am enjoying myself and staying fit. I have 39 years left in
> 'my' Century and want them to be more than saddle sore and sweaty showers
> every day.

Well, Bill, have I not said many times before that you are a genius and a
wise man just like me. It is only us older guys who have any sense.

> Trees?
> California sucks for trees in the central valley since they were cut down
> for all the damned rice farming, so when I find a tree, I take time to
> enjoy the shade.
> As for Minnesota, I have lived there and vacationed there many times, and
> the trees are so nice after the City, why are you complaining??

It is only the weather here that I do not like. I consider California a
paradise compared to Minnesota. The summers here go by like quicksilver, but
the winters seem to last forever. Frankly, I do not recommend Minnesota to
anyone who likes the out of doors.

Edward Dolan

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Oct 29, 2009, 10:46:23 PM10/29/09
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"Bill Baka" <bb...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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[...]

> California sucks for trees in the central valley since they were cut down
> for all the damned rice farming, so when I find a tree, I take time to
> enjoy the shade.
> As for Minnesota, I have lived there and vacationed there many times, and
> the trees are so nice after the City, why are you complaining??
>
> Bill Baka

Bill, nobody loves trees more than I do. I not only LOOK at them, but I want
to know all about their genera and species. In fact, I carry little books on
me which will help me to identify them. Plants are fully as interesting to
me as animals. Sometimes I think I should have gone into botany instead of
librarianship. I am just a naturalist at heart.

Best Regards,

Bill Baka

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Oct 29, 2009, 11:07:15 PM10/29/09
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Ed,
I bought a house in Andover and arrived with my U-Haul and cars at 1:00
A.M. the night after the great Halloween Blizzard of 1991. I had to
shovel snow until about 3:00 A.M. just to get the truck off the street
and another 2 hours to get the cars in the other driveway. About sunup I
collapsed on the living room floor and slept while my wife and kids Got
all the small stuff out of the cars and truck.
There is snow and there is way too much snow at the wrong time.
Iowa was like an ice sculpture wonderland that night, but could there
have possibly been a worse time to pull up to a new house after a 2,000
mile drive??

Bill Baka

Bill Baka

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Oct 29, 2009, 11:08:24 PM10/29/09
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So that makes you a librarian tree hugger??
That is a contrast.

Bill Baka

Edward Dolan

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Oct 29, 2009, 11:18:51 PM10/29/09
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"Bill Baka" <bb...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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[...]

> Ed,
> I bought a house in Andover and arrived with my U-Haul and cars at 1:00
> A.M. the night after the great Halloween Blizzard of 1991. I had to shovel
> snow until about 3:00 A.M. just to get the truck off the street and
> another 2 hours to get the cars in the other driveway. About sunup I
> collapsed on the living room floor and slept while my wife and kids Got
> all the small stuff out of the cars and truck.
> There is snow and there is way too much snow at the wrong time.
> Iowa was like an ice sculpture wonderland that night, but could there have
> possibly been a worse time to pull up to a new house after a 2,000 mile
> drive??
>
> Bill Baka

Bill, stories like the above are adventures when you are young, but they are
sheer misery when you are old. It seems I have spent most of my life cursing
this g.d. Minnesota weather. I dream of tropical climates where it is always
about 85 degrees in the shade and no freaking wind at all.

Edward Dolan

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Oct 29, 2009, 11:25:34 PM10/29/09
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"Bill Baka" <bb...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]

>> Bill, nobody loves trees more than I do. I not only LOOK at them, but I
>> want to know all about their genera and species. In fact, I carry little
>> books on me which will help me to identify them. Plants are fully as
>> interesting to me as animals. Sometimes I think I should have gone into
>> botany instead of librarianship. I am just a naturalist at heart.
>>
> So that makes you a librarian tree hugger??
> That is a contrast.

Hey, some of my best (and maybe only) friends are trees. You bet, I hug
them. Lest we forget, we animals are totally dependent on plant life, not
the other way around. Not to have a due respect for plant life means we do
not know where we came from nor do we know much of anything else either.

Dan C

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Oct 30, 2009, 12:18:15 AM10/30/09
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Well, why the fuck don't you move?

Jesus.

Ever heard of Florida?


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Edward Dolan

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"Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:18:51 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> "Bill Baka" <bb...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:hcdl95$437$1...@news.eternal-september.org... [...]
>>> Ed,
>>> I bought a house in Andover and arrived with my U-Haul and cars at 1:00
>>> A.M. the night after the great Halloween Blizzard of 1991. I had to
>>> shovel snow until about 3:00 A.M. just to get the truck off the street
>>> and another 2 hours to get the cars in the other driveway. About sunup
>>> I collapsed on the living room floor and slept while my wife and kids
>>> Got all the small stuff out of the cars and truck. There is snow and
>>> there is way too much snow at the wrong time. Iowa was like an ice
>>> sculpture wonderland that night, but could there have possibly been a
>>> worse time to pull up to a new house after a 2,000 mile drive??
>>>
>>> Bill Baka
>>
>> Bill, stories like the above are adventures when you are young, but they
>> are sheer misery when you are old. It seems I have spent most of my life
>> cursing this g.d. Minnesota weather. I dream of tropical climates where
>> it is always about 85 degrees in the shade and no freaking wind at all.
>
> Well, why the fuck don't you move?
>
> Jesus.
>
> Ever heard of Florida?

Christ Almighty!

Ever hear of 'commitments'? If not, then look it up the word in a
dictionary. I means that you can't move because of obligations. I am tied to
property, but most folks are tied to family. What is the matter with you
that you can't understand this? Are you an idiot or only pretending to be
one?

Dan C

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"Tied to property"... Hmmmm... Yeah, I guess property can't be managed
remotely, or managed by some hired help, or....

Whatever.

Quit whining about the weather, then. Move if you don't like it.

Bill Baka

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Spoken like one who has some *real* American blood, not European-Trash
settlers. My great=great-???? grandfather was the chief of the Huron
Nation. He gave his daughter to my (great-great-????-1) grandfather for
helping to fight against the English savages invading their home land.

Bill Baka

Bill Baka

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Oct 30, 2009, 6:54:56 PM10/30/09
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At 43 I wasn't exactly a young man then either. My sister retired to
Phoenix and is cursing the 115 degree days, dry or not. That is like
sticking your head in an oven, dry but hot anyway. San Diego has the
best overall weather I have seen in the country, but it is California
and way too many Mexicans for me.

Bill Baka

Simon Lewis

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Oct 30, 2009, 7:26:28 PM10/30/09
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Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes:

You mean the Mexicans with real American blood you racist prick?


Edward Dolan

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"Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.10...@moria.lan...
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:42:58 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]

>>>> Bill, stories like the above are adventures when you are young, but
>>>> they are sheer misery when you are old. It seems I have spent most of
>>>> my life cursing this g.d. Minnesota weather. I dream of tropical
>>>> climates where it is always about 85 degrees in the shade and no
>>>> freaking wind at all.
>>>
>>> Well, why the fuck don't you move?
>>>
>>> Jesus.
>>>
>>> Ever heard of Florida?
>>
>> Christ Almighty!
>>
>> Ever hear of 'commitments'? If not, then look up the word in a
>> dictionary. It means that you can't move because of obligations. I am

>> tied to property, but most folks are tied to family. What is the matter
>> with you that you can't understand this? Are you an idiot or only
>> pretending to be one?
>
> "Tied to property"... Hmmmm... Yeah, I guess property can't be managed
> remotely, or managed by some hired help, or....
>
> Whatever.

Nope, the property I am sitting on would go to hell in a hand basket
overnight if I were ever to leave it to others.

> Quit whining about the weather, then. Move if you don't like it.

There are any number of extremely stupid folks here in Minnesota who
actually like this confounded climate. They will even boast about our
weather! I am here to tell the world that Minnesota is the pits for weather.
I think only North Dakota has it worse in the lower 48.

Edward Dolan

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"Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes:
[...]

>> At 43 I wasn't exactly a young man then either. My sister retired to
>> Phoenix and is cursing the 115 degree days, dry or not. That is like
>> sticking your head in an oven, dry but hot anyway. San Diego has the
>> best overall weather I have seen in the country, but it is California
>> and way too many Mexicans for me.
>>
>> Bill Baka
>
> You mean the Mexicans with real American blood you racist prick?

Simon Lewis is the racist prick here, not Bill Baka. Like Bill, I prefer to
associate among my own kind. I note that is true of everyone I have ever
known in my life, most especially of Mexicans. I am damn sure that Simon
Lewis, the racist prick, also prefers to associate among his own kind. Do
not birds of a feather flock together?

Simon Lewis

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Oct 30, 2009, 8:31:01 PM10/30/09
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"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:

> "Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hcfsn7$4o6$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes:
> [...]
>>> At 43 I wasn't exactly a young man then either. My sister retired to
>>> Phoenix and is cursing the 115 degree days, dry or not. That is like
>>> sticking your head in an oven, dry but hot anyway. San Diego has the
>>> best overall weather I have seen in the country, but it is California
>>> and way too many Mexicans for me.
>>>
>>> Bill Baka
>>
>> You mean the Mexicans with real American blood you racist prick?
>
> Simon Lewis is the racist prick here, not Bill Baka. Like Bill, I prefer to
> associate among my own kind. I note that is true of everyone I have ever
> known in my life, most especially of Mexicans. I am damn sure that Simon
> Lewis, the racist prick, also prefers to associate among his own kind. Do
> not birds of a feather flock together?

What the hell are you talking about?

There is associating with your own kind (things in common) and then
avoiding a place because there are too many coloured folks by your own
racist criteria.

So yes, you're a racist prick too.

Dan C

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Oct 30, 2009, 8:45:31 PM10/30/09
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HAR!!! LOL! ROFL!! Jesuz. What a fucking galoot.

Hey Bill, in the past you have claimed your ancestors came here from
Ireland, to escape the Great Potato Famine. Doesn't that make them Euro-
Trash as you stated above? Which is it, Bill? Irish or Canadian
Indians? Make up your mind, Bill!

Dan C

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Oct 30, 2009, 8:47:01 PM10/30/09
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:49:39 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:

> "Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.10...@moria.lan...
>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:42:58 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
>>>>> Bill, stories like the above are adventures when you are young, but
>>>>> they are sheer misery when you are old. It seems I have spent most
>>>>> of my life cursing this g.d. Minnesota weather. I dream of tropical
>>>>> climates where it is always about 85 degrees in the shade and no
>>>>> freaking wind at all.
>>>>
>>>> Well, why the fuck don't you move?
>>>>
>>>> Jesus.
>>>>
>>>> Ever heard of Florida?
>>>
>>> Christ Almighty!
>>>
>>> Ever hear of 'commitments'? If not, then look up the word in a
>>> dictionary. It means that you can't move because of obligations. I am
>>> tied to property, but most folks are tied to family. What is the
>>> matter with you that you can't understand this? Are you an idiot or
>>> only pretending to be one?
>>
>> "Tied to property"... Hmmmm... Yeah, I guess property can't be
>> managed remotely, or managed by some hired help, or....
>>
>> Whatever.
>
> Nope, the property I am sitting on would go to hell in a hand basket
> overnight if I were ever to leave it to others.

OK, so you're indispensable and irreplaceable. I didn't realize that.
What is it that makes you so special? What super talent do you have that
nobody else has?

Bill Baka

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Oct 30, 2009, 8:51:43 PM10/30/09
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Ed,
Simon seems to be the prick for all races on this group.
It just happens that I get sick of Mexican music at full blast all the
time and it all sounds the same to me. I can't talk to them and they
refuse to learn English so to hell with them.
Mexican 'rap' might be interesting.
Bill Baka

Bill Sornson

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Oct 30, 2009, 8:57:13 PM10/30/09
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Dan C wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:49:51 -0700, Bill Baka wrote:

>> Spoken like one who has some *real* American blood, not
>> European-Trash settlers. My great=great-???? grandfather was the
>> chief of the Huron Nation. He gave his daughter to my
>> (great-great-????-1) grandfather for helping to fight against the
>> English savages invading their home land.
>> Bill Baka


> HAR!!! LOL! ROFL!! Jesuz. What a fucking galoot.
> Hey Bill, in the past you have claimed your ancestors came here from
> Ireland, to escape the Great Potato Famine. Doesn't that make them
> Euro- Trash as you stated above? Which is it, Bill? Irish or
> Canadian Indians? Make up your mind, Bill!

Bill Baka is a descendant of royalty. As such, please don't address direct,
insolent questions to him.

TYVM

ROTFL


Edward Dolan

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"Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hcg0g9$9kt$1...@news.eternal-september.org...

> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:
>
>> "Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hcfsn7$4o6$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Bill Baka <bb...@comcast.net> writes:
>> [...]
>>>> At 43 I wasn't exactly a young man then either. My sister retired to
>>>> Phoenix and is cursing the 115 degree days, dry or not. That is like
>>>> sticking your head in an oven, dry but hot anyway. San Diego has the
>>>> best overall weather I have seen in the country, but it is California
>>>> and way too many Mexicans for me.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Baka
>>>
>>> You mean the Mexicans with real American blood you racist prick?
>>
>> Simon Lewis is the racist prick here, not Bill Baka. Like Bill, I prefer
>> to
>> associate among my own kind. I note that is true of everyone I have ever
>> known in my life, most especially of Mexicans. I am damn sure that Simon
>> Lewis, the racist prick, also prefers to associate among his own kind. Do
>> not birds of a feather flock together?
>
> What the hell are you talking about?
>
> There is associating with your own kind (things in common) and then
> avoiding a place because there are too many coloured folks by your own
> racist criteria.

California is being flooded with illegal immigrants from Mexico. Native
Californians are fleeing the state in droves. What is there about this that
you do not understand?

> So yes, you're a racist prick too.

You missed my point that everyone in the world is a racist prick. It has
always been that way and it will always be that way. Don't like it? Then
marry someone of a different race than yourself and produce lots of mulatto
offspring. Then we can all end up looking like Obama (he had a White mother
and a Black father).

Simon Lewis

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Oct 30, 2009, 9:07:39 PM10/30/09
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"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:

Where does that have anything to do with Bill Baka, and you , being
racist pricks?

>
>> So yes, you're a racist prick too.
>
> You missed my point that everyone in the world is a racist prick. It
> has

No they're not.

> always been that way and it will always be that way. Don't like it? Then
> marry someone of a different race than yourself and produce lots of mulatto
> offspring. Then we can all end up looking like Obama (he had a White mother
> and a Black father).

That's nice. You really are a pig ignorant arse.

Message has been deleted

Edward Dolan

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"Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.10...@moria.lan...
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:49:39 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]

>> Nope, the property I am sitting on would go to hell in a hand basket
>> overnight if I were ever to leave it to others.
>
> OK, so you're indispensable and irreplaceable. I didn't realize that.
> What is it that makes you so special? What super talent do you have that
> nobody else has?

It's my fucked up property that makes me indispensable. Anyone else would
manage me right into the poor house.

Edward Dolan

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Oct 30, 2009, 9:51:00 PM10/30/09
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"Phil W Lee" <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> wrote in message
news:d95ne51vihqpc8mq2...@4ax.com...
> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> considered Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:42:58
> -0500 the perfect time to write:
[...]

>>Ever hear of 'commitments'? If not, then look it up the word in a
>>dictionary. I means that you can't move because of obligations. I am tied
>>to
>>property, but most folks are tied to family. What is the matter with you
>>that you can't understand this? Are you an idiot or only pretending to be
>>one?
>>
> It seems you no longer own the property - it owns you.

Hells Bells, isn't that the way it always ends up!

Edward Dolan

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"Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hcg2kv$md3$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:
[...]

>> always been that way and it will always be that way. Don't like it? Then
>> marry someone of a different race than yourself and produce lots of
>> mulatto
>> offspring. Then we can all end up looking like Obama (he had a White
>> mother
>> and a Black father).
>
> That's nice. You really are a pig ignorant arse.

You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock.
You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish
foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless
crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You
cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting
naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted
fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.

Edward Dolan

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"Bill Sornson" <so...@noyb.com> wrote in message
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You are confusing Bill Baka with Ed Dolan the Great. Ed Dolan the Great is
closely related to Saint Edward the Great and He sits next to God Himself.
Not even the Pope can compare to Saint Edward the Great. The only acceptable
attitude is one of worshipful adoration. Please, try to get it right!

Simon Lewis

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Oct 30, 2009, 10:15:05 PM10/30/09
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"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:

"Ed Dolan" is a rather pathetic, bitter, racist moron IMO. You are
incredibly boring. Are you aware of that?


Dan C

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Oct 30, 2009, 10:28:57 PM10/30/09
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:48:53 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:

> "Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.10...@moria.lan...
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:49:39 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
>>> Nope, the property I am sitting on would go to hell in a hand basket
>>> overnight if I were ever to leave it to others.
>>
>> OK, so you're indispensable and irreplaceable. I didn't realize that.
>> What is it that makes you so special? What super talent do you have
>> that nobody else has?
>
> It's my fucked up property that makes me indispensable. Anyone else
> would manage me right into the poor house.

If it's "fucked up" property, then sell the shit and move to Florida.

Easy, eh?

Edward Dolan

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"Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.10...@moria.lan...
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:48:53 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> "Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2009.10...@moria.lan...
>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:49:39 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> Nope, the property I am sitting on would go to hell in a hand basket
>>>> overnight if I were ever to leave it to others.
>>>
>>> OK, so you're indispensable and irreplaceable. I didn't realize that.
>>> What is it that makes you so special? What super talent do you have
>>> that nobody else has?
>>
>> It's my fucked up property that makes me indispensable. Anyone else
>> would manage me right into the poor house.
>
> If it's "fucked up" property, then sell the shit and move to Florida.
>
> Easy, eh?

Not easy at all since it is the sole source of my income. Better a small
income than no income at all - eh? However, I will sell it after I have had
my stroke and/or heart attack. Probably in another few years or so.

Edward Dolan

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"Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:
[...]
>> You are confusing Bill Baka with Ed Dolan the Great. Ed Dolan the Great
>> is
>> closely related to Saint Edward the Great and He sits next to God
>> Himself.
>> Not even the Pope can compare to Saint Edward the Great. The only
>> acceptable
>> attitude is one of worshipful adoration. Please, try to get it right!
>
> "Ed Dolan" is a rather pathetic, bitter, racist moron IMO. You are
> incredibly boring. Are you aware of that?

And you are nothing but a name caller. I have got a folder full of canned
invective and insults ready for you, so bring it on. Here is an example:

There is no animal so disgusting, so vile that it deserves comparison to
you, for even the lowest, dirtiest, most parasitic member of the animal
kingdom fills an ecological niche. You fill no niche.
To call you a parasite would be injurious to the thousands of honest
parasitic species. You are worse than vermin, for vermin does not pretend
to be what it is not. You are truly human garbage.

Dan C

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Oct 31, 2009, 1:39:47 AM10/31/09
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:37:31 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:

> "Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.10...@moria.lan...
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:48:53 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>>> "Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2009.10...@moria.lan...
>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:49:39 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> Nope, the property I am sitting on would go to hell in a hand basket
>>>>> overnight if I were ever to leave it to others.
>>>>
>>>> OK, so you're indispensable and irreplaceable. I didn't realize
>>>> that. What is it that makes you so special? What super talent do you
>>>> have that nobody else has?
>>>
>>> It's my fucked up property that makes me indispensable. Anyone else
>>> would manage me right into the poor house.
>>
>> If it's "fucked up" property, then sell the shit and move to Florida.
>>
>> Easy, eh?
>
> Not easy at all since it is the sole source of my income. Better a small
> income than no income at all - eh? However, I will sell it after I have
> had my stroke and/or heart attack. Probably in another few years or so.

Well, that's a positive outlook on life.

Pathetic.

Simon Lewis

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Oct 31, 2009, 6:58:21 AM10/31/09
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"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:

> "Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hcg6jd$mqr$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:
> [...]
>>> You are confusing Bill Baka with Ed Dolan the Great. Ed Dolan the Great
>>> is
>>> closely related to Saint Edward the Great and He sits next to God
>>> Himself.
>>> Not even the Pope can compare to Saint Edward the Great. The only
>>> acceptable
>>> attitude is one of worshipful adoration. Please, try to get it right!
>>
>> "Ed Dolan" is a rather pathetic, bitter, racist moron IMO. You are
>> incredibly boring. Are you aware of that?
>
> And you are nothing but a name caller. I have got a folder full of canned
> invective and insults ready for you, so bring it on. Here is an
> example:

Says the racist twit who calls himself "Ed the Great"?

>
> There is no animal so disgusting, so vile that it deserves comparison to
> you, for even the lowest, dirtiest, most parasitic member of the animal
> kingdom fills an ecological niche. You fill no niche.
> To call you a parasite would be injurious to the thousands of honest
> parasitic species. You are worse than vermin, for vermin does not pretend
> to be what it is not. You are truly human garbage.

Err, wonderful.

>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

As I said. Boring. Make that *very* boring. And all this "The Great"
stuff makes we wonder if you're not just some pimply adolescent.


Bill Baka

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Oct 31, 2009, 3:00:12 PM10/31/09
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Simon,
Your stupidity is showing. This is not the Bill Baka thread, it is
supposed to be recumbents.....


>
>>> So yes, you're a racist prick too.
>> You missed my point that everyone in the world is a racist prick. It
>> has
>
> No they're not.
>
>> always been that way and it will always be that way. Don't like it? Then
>> marry someone of a different race than yourself and produce lots of mulatto
>> offspring. Then we can all end up looking like Obama (he had a White mother
>> and a Black father).
>
> That's nice. You really are a pig ignorant arse.

Crawl back under your rock.
Bill Baka

Edward Dolan

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Oct 31, 2009, 7:50:40 PM10/31/09
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"Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hch58f$shc$4...@news.eternal-september.org...

> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:
[...]
>> And you are nothing but a name caller. I have got a folder full of canned
>> invective and insults ready for you, so bring it on. Here is an
>> example:
[...]

>>
>> There is no animal so disgusting, so vile that it deserves comparison to
>> you, for even the lowest, dirtiest, most parasitic member of the animal
>> kingdom fills an ecological niche. You fill no niche.
>> To call you a parasite would be injurious to the thousands of honest
>> parasitic species. You are worse than vermin, for vermin does not pretend
>> to be what it is not. You are truly human garbage.
>
> Err, wonderful.
>
> As I said. Boring. Make that *very* boring. And all this "The Great"
> stuff makes we wonder if you're not just some pimply adolescent.

I think I must have about 15,000 posts to Usenet by now. You need to educate
yourself if wish to take me on. But if all you are going to do is name call,
then all you will ever get from me is my canned invective. I do not waste
time and effort on name callers.

Since you are obviously a one world type, I need to know your race and the
race of your wife and how many mulatto children you have produced. After
all, that is only way to get to the world you prefer since all the rest of
us will always prefer to associate with our own kind. You have to change the
"kind" if you want to change human preferences. Do not birds of a feather
flock together?

You may like the Obama look, but I don't. I like my white skin and I like
Blacks to be black, not some shade in between. If that makes me a racist,
then so be it. I want everyone to be equal before the law, but that is as
far as I will go. Whatever happened to separate, but equal?

Edward Dolan

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Oct 31, 2009, 10:08:37 PM10/31/09
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"Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hch58f$shc$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
[...]

> As I said. Boring. Make that *very* boring. And all this "The Great"
> stuff makes we wonder if you're not just some pimply adolescent.

I am not Great compared to Beethoven, but I am Great when compared to the
ill assortment of idiots, scoundrels and blackguards like you who regularly
post to Usenet.

I am still waiting for you to say something that I can respond to. Name
calling never gets anyone anywhere, although I am as good at it as anyone.
But I only name call for a single post and then I dismiss such types with
canned invective which I have saved to a special folder. My Greatness
prevents me from stooping to your level.

Ron Wallenfang

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Oct 31, 2009, 10:34:55 PM10/31/09
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On Oct 28, 10:02 pm, Roy Smith <r...@panix.com> wrote:
> In article
> <e65de5ce-6c4a-401b-bf06-530b4dbe0...@z29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>  Ron Wallenfang <rwallenf...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > My experience crossing the entire metro area is more
> > dubious.  See days 13 and 14 of this report:  
> >http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/4631
>
> Interesting -- sounds like you pretty much rode right past my house on Day
> 13!  The "long park" you rode through was Pelham Bay Park, and the "e/w
> parkway with many walkers, joggers and kids playing in the greenway" is
> Pelham Parkway.
>
> And you weren't on Fordham Street, you were on Fordham Road.  There is a
> Fordham Street, but not on that route :-)

Thanks for the information on street names. I'll make the appropriate
changes in my trip report. More recently than that trip, I've been
struggling with street names in Westchester County, which often change
when they cross a municipal line, and sometimes even within a
municipality.

Edward Dolan

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Oct 31, 2009, 10:52:23 PM10/31/09
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"Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.10...@moria.lan...
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:37:31 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]

>> Not easy at all since it is the sole source of my income. Better a small
>> income than no income at all - eh? However, I will sell it after I have
>> had my stroke and/or heart attack. Probably in another few years or so.
>
> Well, that's a positive outlook on life.
>
> Pathetic.

The only pathetic bastard here is you. Don't think you are going to die and
go to oblivion? I assure you that you are. It is just a matter of time. We
humans have lives that are not much different than mayflies - brief, brief,
brief! Before you know it, you are old and just waiting for the Grim Reaper.

But who the hell wants to live forever? Life gets very tiresome finally -
especially when all that is left are pathetic bastards like you who seem not
to have a clue about anything.

"Once I wasn't, then I was, now I ain't again."

- Epitaph found on tombstone in Ohio graveyard

Dan C

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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:52:23 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:

> "Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.10...@moria.lan...
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:37:31 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
>>> Not easy at all since it is the sole source of my income. Better a
>>> small income than no income at all - eh? However, I will sell it after
>>> I have had my stroke and/or heart attack. Probably in another few
>>> years or so.
>>
>> Well, that's a positive outlook on life.
>>
>> Pathetic.
>
> The only pathetic bastard here is you. Don't think you are going to die
> and go to oblivion? I assure you that you are. It is just a matter of
> time. We humans have lives that are not much different than mayflies -
> brief, brief, brief! Before you know it, you are old and just waiting
> for the Grim Reaper.
>
> But who the hell wants to live forever? Life gets very tiresome finally
> - especially when all that is left are pathetic bastards like you who
> seem not to have a clue about anything.

Hehe. Laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

So go and have your heart attack, already. Get it over with and quit
polluting newsgroups with your drivel.

Talk about clueless.

Edward Dolan

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"Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:52:23 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> "Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2009.10...@moria.lan...
>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:37:31 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> The only pathetic bastard here is you. Don't think you are going to die
>> and go to oblivion? I assure you that you are. It is just a matter of
>> time. We humans have lives that are not much different than mayflies -
>> brief, brief, brief! Before you know it, you are old and just waiting
>> for the Grim Reaper.
>>
>> But who the hell wants to live forever? Life gets very tiresome finally
>> - especially when all that is left are pathetic bastards like you who
>> seem not to have a clue about anything.
>
> Hehe. Laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.
>
> So go and have your heart attack, already. Get it over with and quit
> polluting newsgroups with your drivel.
>
> Talk about clueless.

Why not just go fuck yourself and be done with it. Yea, get the tension over
with. Obviously, you have no mind at all - just another asshole who thinks
he is going to live forever - and no doubt in good health too! But I know
you are headed toward a bad end, if not by your own hand, then by someone
else's. In any event, I hereby lay my curse upon you. This means you doomed!
Prepare your headstone and your gravesite - you God Damn Cretin!

"Once I wasn't, then I was, now I ain't again."

- Epitaph found on tombstone in Ohio graveyard

Fucking Regards,

Edward Dolan

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"Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
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[...]

> So go and have your heart attack, already. Get it over with and quit
> polluting newsgroups with your drivel.

Those who wish for the death of others only call up the Grim Reaper for
themselves. Even total assholes know this much, but Dan C (note the
anonymous moniker - ever the hallmark of cowards and knaves) has no fear of
the Grim Reaper. This is a huge mistake as the Grim Reaper comes when you
least expect Him. Saint Edward the Great has an inside track with the Grim
Reaper and has advised Him that Dan C is ripe for the taking. It will be
good riddance to bad rubbish when he is gone from this vale of tears.

Simon Lewis

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Nov 1, 2009, 9:55:36 AM11/1/09
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"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:

> "Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.10...@moria.lan...
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:37:31 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
>>> Not easy at all since it is the sole source of my income. Better a small
>>> income than no income at all - eh? However, I will sell it after I have
>>> had my stroke and/or heart attack. Probably in another few years or so.
>>
>> Well, that's a positive outlook on life.
>>
>> Pathetic.
>
> The only pathetic bastard here is you. Don't think you are going to die and
> go to oblivion? I assure you that you are. It is just a matter of time. We
> humans have lives that are not much different than mayflies - brief, brief,
> brief! Before you know it, you are old and just waiting for the Grim Reaper.
>
> But who the hell wants to live forever? Life gets very tiresome finally -
> especially when all that is left are pathetic bastards like you who seem not
> to have a clue about anything.

For someone that proclaims to despise "name calling" you sure do it a
lot. You really are a low brow moron with ideas of grandeur. And a
racist bigot to boot.

Simon Lewis

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"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:

> "Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.11...@moria.lan...
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:52:23 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>>> "Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2009.10...@moria.lan...
>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:37:31 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
>>> The only pathetic bastard here is you. Don't think you are going to die
>>> and go to oblivion? I assure you that you are. It is just a matter of
>>> time. We humans have lives that are not much different than mayflies -
>>> brief, brief, brief! Before you know it, you are old and just waiting
>>> for the Grim Reaper.
>>>
>>> But who the hell wants to live forever? Life gets very tiresome finally
>>> - especially when all that is left are pathetic bastards like you who
>>> seem not to have a clue about anything.
>>
>> Hehe. Laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.
>>
>> So go and have your heart attack, already. Get it over with and quit
>> polluting newsgroups with your drivel.
>>
>> Talk about clueless.
>
> Why not just go fuck yourself and be done with it. Yea, get the
> tension over

For someone who thinks he is so above it all, your recent habit of
replying TWICE to posts you maintained you "laugh at" suggests that you
might not be the cool cucumber you fancy yourself at. Like most big head
wannabes you lose the plot when questioned about your imbecilic
views. And, like most bigoted racists, you turn to anger and vitriol to
try and quell your indignation and frustration at being revealed for
what you really are : an opinionated idiot whom next to no one pays
any attention to.

Dan C

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Nov 1, 2009, 11:47:51 AM11/1/09
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:20:47 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:

> "Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.11...@moria.lan...
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:52:23 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>>> "Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2009.10...@moria.lan...
>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:37:31 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
>>> The only pathetic bastard here is you. Don't think you are going to
>>> die and go to oblivion? I assure you that you are. It is just a matter
>>> of time. We humans have lives that are not much different than
>>> mayflies - brief, brief, brief! Before you know it, you are old and
>>> just waiting for the Grim Reaper.
>>>
>>> But who the hell wants to live forever? Life gets very tiresome
>>> finally - especially when all that is left are pathetic bastards like
>>> you who seem not to have a clue about anything.
>>
>> Hehe. Laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.
>>
>> So go and have your heart attack, already. Get it over with and quit
>> polluting newsgroups with your drivel.
>>
>> Talk about clueless.
>
> Why not just go fuck yourself and be done with it.

You swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. I'll bet
you couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. You
are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than
be seen with you.

You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm
deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a
weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a
revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly
with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this
world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by
the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed
themselves in recognition of what they had done.

I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species
as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very
thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you.
You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the
dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?

You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its
beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly
briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of
your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of
your own trite, foolish beliefs.

You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty
and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus.

Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are
unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that
reality forgot.

And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements
of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you
hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more
weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle,
waiting for the bite of the snake?

You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and
obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living
emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease,
you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper.

On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient
in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You
are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of
all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.

You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock.
You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish
foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless
crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You
cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting
naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted
fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.

You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate,
noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise
everything about you, and I wish you would go away.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid.
Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the
stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are
trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that
even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no
intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on
Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy
emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Nothing in our universe can really be
this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original
big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by
anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm
sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this,
you may not hear from me again for a while. I don't have enough strength
left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about
unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel.

Edward Dolan

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"Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:
[...]
>> Why not just go fuck yourself and be done with it. Yea, get the
>> tension over
>
> For someone who thinks he is so above it all, your recent habit of
> replying TWICE to posts you maintained you "laugh at" suggests that you
> might not be the cool cucumber you fancy yourself at. Like most big head
> wannabes you lose the plot when questioned about your imbecilic
> views. And, like most bigoted racists, you turn to anger and vitriol to
> try and quell your indignation and frustration at being revealed for
> what you really are : an opinionated idiot whom next to no one pays
> any attention to.

No one ever pays any attention to anyone on Usenet, and rightly so. After
all, no one is here except for idiots like you. Replying to an asshole like
you is my therapy for the day.

By the way, anyone who accuses others of being racists are racists
themselves. That follows as from night to day. One question though, if you
are a racist, are you not also bigoted? It seems the two terms are
synonymous. Why use both when one will do?
[...]

Fuckign Regards,

Edward Dolan

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"Dan C" <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:20:47 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]

I have saved the above to my folder of invective for use in the future,
although much of it I think I already have. Many thanks!

Edward Dolan

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"Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:
[...]
>> The only pathetic bastard here is you. Don't think you are going to die
>> and
>> go to oblivion? I assure you that you are. It is just a matter of time.
>> We
>> humans have lives that are not much different than mayflies - brief,
>> brief,
>> brief! Before you know it, you are old and just waiting for the Grim
>> Reaper.
>>
>> But who the hell wants to live forever? Life gets very tiresome finally -
>> especially when all that is left are pathetic bastards like you who seem
>> not
>> to have a clue about anything.
>
> For someone that proclaims to despise "name calling" you sure do it a
> lot. You really are a low brow moron with ideas of grandeur. And a
> racist bigot to boot.

You started the name calling, but we shall see who has more time to devote
to it.

Have you produced any mulatto offspring yet? If not, get busy!

Fucking Regards,

DI

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"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hck7ha$vie$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:
> [...]
>>> The only pathetic bastard here is you. Don't think you are going to die
>>> and
>>> go to oblivion? I assure you that you are. It is just a matter of time.
>>> We
>>> humans have lives that are not much different than mayflies - brief,
>>> brief,
>>> brief! Before you know it, you are old and just waiting for the Grim
>>> Reaper.
>>>
>>> But who the hell wants to live forever? Life gets very tiresome
>>> finally -
>>> especially when all that is left are pathetic bastards like you who seem
>>> not
>>> to have a clue about anything.
>>
>> For someone that proclaims to despise "name calling" you sure do it a
>> lot. You really are a low brow moron with ideas of grandeur. And a
>> racist bigot to boot.
>
> You started the name calling, but we shall see who has more time to devote
> to it.
>
> Have you produced any mulatto offspring yet? If not, get busy!
>
> Fucking Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>

Why don't you two love birds get a cheap motel room and leave the rest of us
alone for a while.


Edward Dolan

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"DI" <di9...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:PvSdnaTGBN8isXPX...@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> "Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hck7ha$vie$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
[...]

>>> For someone that proclaims to despise "name calling" you sure do it a
>>> lot. You really are a low brow moron with ideas of grandeur. And a
>>> racist bigot to boot.
>>
>> You started the name calling, but we shall see who has more time to
>> devote to it.
>>
>> Have you produced any mulatto offspring yet? If not, get busy!
>
> Why don't you two love birds get a cheap motel room and leave the rest of
> us alone for a while.

Anyone who calls anyone else a racist bigot is beneath contempt. Such
wretches are always the biggest racists in the world. All I want him to do
is to marry outside his race and produce lots of mulatto offspring that look
like Obama. If he is not a racist bigot, then that is what he should do.

Simon Lewis

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Nov 2, 2009, 6:46:31 PM11/2/09
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"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:

What the hell are you talking about? You reinforce your race supremacy
ideas here by suggesting others would not be happy with mixed race
children.

Low brow bigots like yourself usually reveal their "true colour" easily
enough when prodded. I didn't realise it would be THAT easy though.

As for your incredibly dumb, even for you or Bill Baka, claim that I
should father Mulatto offspring just to PROVE I am NOT a "racist bigot"
... that is beneath contempt. Would you go off and perform oral sex on a
man to prove you were not "anti Gay"?

You're a complete and utter moron : and I delight in seeing you prove it
with each and every pathetic attempt of yours to cover up your rather
nasty, seedy and bigoted outlook on life.

Welcome to being #1 in my killfile.

>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

AKA : "Donal that idiot"

Edward Dolan

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"Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> writes:
[...]
>> Anyone who calls anyone else a racist bigot is beneath contempt. Such
>> wretches are always the biggest racists in the world. All I want him to
>> do
>> is to marry outside his race and produce lots of mulatto offspring that
>> look
>> like Obama. If he is not a racist bigot, then that is what he should
>> do.
>
> What the hell are you talking about? You reinforce your race supremacy
> ideas here by suggesting others would not be happy with mixed race
> children.

Not race supremacy, only race difference. The Blacks are welcome to Africa
below the Sahara. I just wish they would stay there. Why not go there
yourself and see how they welcome you?

> Low brow bigots like yourself usually reveal their "true colour" easily
> enough when prodded. I didn't realise it would be THAT easy though.

The only thing you have revealed are your own prejudices. Why not
acknowledge them. You will feel better afterwards.

> As for your incredibly dumb, even for you or Bill Baka, claim that I
> should father Mulatto offspring just to PROVE I am NOT a "racist bigot"
> ... that is beneath contempt. Would you go off and perform oral sex on a
> man to prove you were not "anti Gay"?

Nope, back up your desire for a one world race. Go and procreate
accordingly. After all, don't you want us all to look like Obama?

> You're a complete and utter moron : and I delight in seeing you prove it
> with each and every pathetic attempt of yours to cover up your rather
> nasty, seedy and bigoted outlook on life.

Yup, nothing but a name caller! It is what all liberals resort to one when
shoved into a corner of their own prejudices and beliefs.

> Welcome to being #1 in my killfile.

You bet - fuck you too!

Fucking Regards,

Edward Dolan

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"Simon Lewis" <simonle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[...]

> As for your incredibly dumb, even for you or Bill Baka, claim that I
> should father Mulatto offspring just to PROVE I am NOT a "racist bigot"
> ... that is beneath contempt. Would you go off and perform oral sex on a
> man to prove you were not "anti Gay"?

Do you not know that I am opposed to gay sex, and in fact to gays - period!
If Hitler wanted to kill them, it just goes to prove that a stopped clock is
right twice a day. Males are impossibly ugly. You must be some kind of
galoot to think otherwise. I would rather fuck an alligator than another
human male, but that is me, not you. By the way, oral sex is immoral, but
what would a scum bucket like you know about that. Do babies come out of
mouths? Or maybe anal sex is more to your liking? You problably think babies
come out of anuses!

Simon, if you do not want to marry a female of a race opposite to yours, why
not at least consort with their whores. But you must produce offspring.
Otherwise it is all for naught. Nope, sorry, but that is the only way to
get to a one world race that you so desire. Now quit making excuses and hop
to it! I can't hardly wait until we all look like Obama.

Jym Dyer

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> All the boroughs of NYC are extremely dangerous for
> cyclists unless you stay on the bike paths.

=v= Um ... when's the last time you actually rode there?
I find NYC quite safe -- downright excellent, in fact --
for biking.
<_Jym_>

Jym Dyer

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> [N]obody loves trees more than I do.

=v= An excellent reason to visit New York City.

> I not only LOOK at them, but I want to know all about their
> genera and species. In fact, I carry little books on me which
> will help me to identify them.

=v= The book _New_York_City_Trees_, by Edward Sibley Barnard,
is the best-organized field guide to trees I've ever seen. It
fits right into a rack pack pocket.
<_Jym_>

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