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walt tonne
May 17, 2012, 6:57:18 PM5/17/12
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On May 17, 2:30 pm, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 17, 3:14 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <rghr...@sasas.com> wrote:
>
> > "Milestone for US as more than half of births come from minority groups"
>
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/17/america-half-births-minor...
>
> > -Eddie Haskell
>
> We already have the African president from Kenya.
>
> And, we hace millions of America hating illegals from the 3rd world
> south of our border.
Our government is a failure. It is a system designed to favor those
who can effectively kiss the
most butts. It's debasement is so flagrant as to forever brand the
word "democracy" as an
operating obscenity.
> On May 17, 3:14 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <rghr...@sasas.com> wrote:
>
> > "Milestone for US as more than half of births come from minority groups"
>
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/17/america-half-births-minor...
>
> > -Eddie Haskell
>
> We already have the African president from Kenya.
>
> And, we hace millions of America hating illegals from the 3rd world
> south of our border.
Our government is a failure. It is a system designed to favor those
who can effectively kiss the
most butts. It's debasement is so flagrant as to forever brand the
word "democracy" as an
operating obscenity.
Dave Head
May 21, 2012, 10:02:53 AM5/21/12
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that are taking our country apart - they discourage industry, are at
the bottom of the trend to ship jobs overseas and import immigrant
workers to the US, thus depriving citizens of the jobs that are here.
If we do not repeal the income tax, we are toast, and will acquire so
much debt that we will never be able to pay it off, and spend all our
tax money simply paying the interest on it. Soon the interest on the
national debt will be the size of defense spending, and then it will
surpass it. If we get rid of the income tax now, we have a chance. If
we don't, we're doomed to go bankrupt.
jon_banquer
May 21, 2012, 1:27:32 PM5/21/12
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It's "free trade" agreements like NAFTA that have destroyed America.
We continue to sign more of them.
Ross Perot had it right:
http://youtu.be/Rkgx1C_S6ls
A website devoted to explaining what "free trade" had done to this
country:
http://economyincrisis.org/
(PeteCresswell)
May 21, 2012, 2:32:18 PM5/21/12
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>> We already have the African president from Kenya.
it.
What on earth would make somebody think that the president of the
USA is from Kenya?
--
Pete Cresswell
Billy
May 21, 2012, 3:43:24 PM5/21/12
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In article <djikr7dqh9qqsarnm...@4ax.com>,
The reason for our plight isn't found in taxes. It's the transfer of
wealth from Main Street to Wall Street.
Our ride down is a product of the "Bush" years when the neo-libs set out
to cash in on their hard work of preventing (Commodity Futures
Modernization Act), and removing (Glass-Stegall) regulations. Sub-prime
loans were bundled into high return derivatives that carried (for a
small fee) AAA ratings. The value of these derivatives was used to
leverage the issuance of of even more derivatives, and when people got a
little nervous, people like AIG guaranteed the derivatives value (for a
price), but never had the money to cover its commitments (Hey, the
derivatives were AAA!). Investors lost their shirts. Companies went
belly up. People were out of work. People lost their homes. People lost
their retirement (because it was invested in AAA, high yield
derivatives). Banks didn't have money to loan business, and here we are.
Our cash (tax money + 0% loans) on hand went to Wall Street, who
promptly went back to living large on tax-payer dollars. Greater
unemployment caused less revenues for governments, which caused more
businesses to close down, put more people out of work, and more
foreclosed homes resulted as the cycle repeated itself.
According to neo-lib economics these investment houses and all their
brokers should have disappeared, because they failed.
Neo-liberal economics has never, ever worked in a democracy.
Now we are told that government promised too much with large pensions.
There isn't enough money for health, education, Israel, and the
Pentagon. So health and education (the poor, the young, the old, the
sick, the disabled) get cut, and the Pentagon, and Israel get more.
Funny thing, Germany has high wages, and strong unions, and they don't
ship their jobs overseas. Why can't our politicians do that, huh?
<http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/20/business/economy/how-national-belt-tig
htening-goes-awry-economic-view.html?_r=1>
--
E Pluribus Unum
Know where your money is tonight?
It's making the lives of Wall Street Bankers more comfortable.
The GOP is chasing us towards a cliff called "Obama."
Vote 3rd Party
wealth from Main Street to Wall Street.
Our ride down is a product of the "Bush" years when the neo-libs set out
to cash in on their hard work of preventing (Commodity Futures
Modernization Act), and removing (Glass-Stegall) regulations. Sub-prime
loans were bundled into high return derivatives that carried (for a
small fee) AAA ratings. The value of these derivatives was used to
leverage the issuance of of even more derivatives, and when people got a
little nervous, people like AIG guaranteed the derivatives value (for a
price), but never had the money to cover its commitments (Hey, the
derivatives were AAA!). Investors lost their shirts. Companies went
belly up. People were out of work. People lost their homes. People lost
their retirement (because it was invested in AAA, high yield
derivatives). Banks didn't have money to loan business, and here we are.
Our cash (tax money + 0% loans) on hand went to Wall Street, who
promptly went back to living large on tax-payer dollars. Greater
unemployment caused less revenues for governments, which caused more
businesses to close down, put more people out of work, and more
foreclosed homes resulted as the cycle repeated itself.
According to neo-lib economics these investment houses and all their
brokers should have disappeared, because they failed.
Neo-liberal economics has never, ever worked in a democracy.
Now we are told that government promised too much with large pensions.
There isn't enough money for health, education, Israel, and the
Pentagon. So health and education (the poor, the young, the old, the
sick, the disabled) get cut, and the Pentagon, and Israel get more.
Funny thing, Germany has high wages, and strong unions, and they don't
ship their jobs overseas. Why can't our politicians do that, huh?
<http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/20/business/economy/how-national-belt-tig
htening-goes-awry-economic-view.html?_r=1>
--
E Pluribus Unum
Know where your money is tonight?
It's making the lives of Wall Street Bankers more comfortable.
The GOP is chasing us towards a cliff called "Obama."
Vote 3rd Party
(PeteCresswell)
May 21, 2012, 8:21:17 PM5/21/12
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Per Billy:
Also, there's the educational level of the general populace.
Their head of state is a physicist. I have a hard time imagining
a physicist getting elected in the USA. In fact, the guys who
run our show apparently think the likes of Sarah Palin is
appealing to a significant portion of our populace.
In that context, there's really no hope: politicians can't be
blamed. They just want to get elected - and if they don't pander
to the ignorance of the populace, they won't get elected and the
guy next to them who does will...
Even funnier: half my family are born-and-raised Germans living
in Germany.
They enjoy coming to the USA to visit, but it's kind of like a
third-world country to them: they can buy cheap goods, the
customs of the natives are interesting.... but the infrastructure
is falling apart, nobody seems to get any significant amount of
vacation (they all get 6-8 weeks minimum), health care seems
iffy. In short, it's no place they would want to spend *too*
much time in.
Yeah... the USA has plenty of Germans who came here, became
naturalized, and love the place.... but my German relatives' view
suggests that some of those "European Socialist States" that
those on the far-right go on about might not be quite as bad as
they think.
Why don't I go and live in Germany? Simple: too many Germans.
--
Pete Cresswell
>Funny thing, Germany has high wages, and strong unions, and they don't
>ship their jobs overseas. Why can't our politicians do that, huh?
"The best government that money can buy...".
>ship their jobs overseas. Why can't our politicians do that, huh?
Also, there's the educational level of the general populace.
Their head of state is a physicist. I have a hard time imagining
a physicist getting elected in the USA. In fact, the guys who
run our show apparently think the likes of Sarah Palin is
appealing to a significant portion of our populace.
In that context, there's really no hope: politicians can't be
blamed. They just want to get elected - and if they don't pander
to the ignorance of the populace, they won't get elected and the
guy next to them who does will...
Even funnier: half my family are born-and-raised Germans living
in Germany.
They enjoy coming to the USA to visit, but it's kind of like a
third-world country to them: they can buy cheap goods, the
customs of the natives are interesting.... but the infrastructure
is falling apart, nobody seems to get any significant amount of
vacation (they all get 6-8 weeks minimum), health care seems
iffy. In short, it's no place they would want to spend *too*
much time in.
Yeah... the USA has plenty of Germans who came here, became
naturalized, and love the place.... but my German relatives' view
suggests that some of those "European Socialist States" that
those on the far-right go on about might not be quite as bad as
they think.
Why don't I go and live in Germany? Simple: too many Germans.
--
Pete Cresswell
Gunner Asch
May 21, 2012, 8:28:33 PM5/21/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:32:18 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid>
wrote:
Because he was born there?
You are new to the internet..arnt you?
Gunner
wrote:
You are new to the internet..arnt you?
Gunner
(PeteCresswell)
May 21, 2012, 8:50:41 PM5/21/12
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Per Gunner Asch:
Speaking for the humor-impaired, I would have to point out that
the laws of the United States Of America do not allow a
foreign-born person to serve as President.
--
Pete Cresswell
>Because he was born there?
That was humor, right?
Speaking for the humor-impaired, I would have to point out that
the laws of the United States Of America do not allow a
foreign-born person to serve as President.
--
Pete Cresswell
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 21, 2012, 10:14:50 PM5/21/12
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On 5/21/2012 2:43 PM, Billy wrote:
> [...]
Be careful, or someone (not me) will call you an antisemite.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
> [...]
> Now we are told that government promised too much with large pensions.
> There isn't enough money for health, education, Israel, and the
> Pentagon. So health and education (the poor, the young, the old, the
> sick, the disabled) get cut, and the Pentagon, and Israel get more.[...]
> There isn't enough money for health, education, Israel, and the
> Pentagon. So health and education (the poor, the young, the old, the
Be careful, or someone (not me) will call you an antisemite.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
Billy
May 22, 2012, 12:44:25 AM5/22/12
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In article <jpesqq$8a7$3...@dont-email.me>,
Christians, Muslims, and anyone else who may want to join.
"Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 5/21/2012 2:43 PM, Billy wrote:
> > [...]
> > Now we are told that government promised too much with large pensions.
> > There isn't enough money for health, education, Israel, and the
> > Pentagon. So health and education (the poor, the young, the old, the
> > sick, the disabled) get cut, and the Pentagon, and Israel get more.[...]
>
> Be careful, or someone (not me) will call you an antisemite.
Antisemite, no. Antizionist, yes. I like a 1 state solution with Jews,
> On 5/21/2012 2:43 PM, Billy wrote:
> > [...]
> > Now we are told that government promised too much with large pensions.
> > There isn't enough money for health, education, Israel, and the
> > Pentagon. So health and education (the poor, the young, the old, the
> > sick, the disabled) get cut, and the Pentagon, and Israel get more.[...]
>
> Be careful, or someone (not me) will call you an antisemite.
Christians, Muslims, and anyone else who may want to join.
Billy
May 22, 2012, 12:53:26 AM5/22/12
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In article
<wildbilly-6C3B3...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
revenue didn't. Clinton raised taxes, and the economy surged. Now some
may say that it was just market cycles, but trickle-downers don't
believe in market cycles. For them, everything is tax cuts.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CBO_Revenues_Outlays_Percentage_GDP.sv
g>
If you have the eyes to see.
<wildbilly-6C3B3...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
Billy <wild...@withoutta.net> wrote:
> > We're well on the way to that 3rd-world thing. It is the income taxes
> > that are taking our country apart - they discourage industry, are at
> > the bottom of the trend to ship jobs overseas and import immigrant
> > workers to the US, thus depriving citizens of the jobs that are here.
> > If we do not repeal the income tax, we are toast, and will acquire so
> > much debt that we will never be able to pay it off, and spend all our
> > tax money simply paying the interest on it. Soon the interest on the
> > national debt will be the size of defense spending, and then it will
> > surpass it. If we get rid of the income tax now, we have a chance. If
> > we don't, we're doomed to go bankrupt.
>
> The reason for our plight isn't found in taxes. It's the transfer of
> wealth from Main Street to Wall Street.
Funny thing, Reagan, and Dubya cut taxes and the deficits exploded, but
> > We're well on the way to that 3rd-world thing. It is the income taxes
> > that are taking our country apart - they discourage industry, are at
> > the bottom of the trend to ship jobs overseas and import immigrant
> > workers to the US, thus depriving citizens of the jobs that are here.
> > If we do not repeal the income tax, we are toast, and will acquire so
> > much debt that we will never be able to pay it off, and spend all our
> > tax money simply paying the interest on it. Soon the interest on the
> > national debt will be the size of defense spending, and then it will
> > surpass it. If we get rid of the income tax now, we have a chance. If
> > we don't, we're doomed to go bankrupt.
>
> The reason for our plight isn't found in taxes. It's the transfer of
> wealth from Main Street to Wall Street.
revenue didn't. Clinton raised taxes, and the economy surged. Now some
may say that it was just market cycles, but trickle-downers don't
believe in market cycles. For them, everything is tax cuts.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CBO_Revenues_Outlays_Percentage_GDP.sv
g>
If you have the eyes to see.
Gunner Asch
May 22, 2012, 12:53:56 AM5/22/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:50:41 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid>
wrote:
>Per Gunner Asch:
>>Because he was born there?
>
>That was humor, right?
Ah..no. It was factual.
The Obamassiah had only (1) US citizen parent. The other one..his
father..was a British citizen.
Which is why we are all a bit upset. The dumb fuck was not only born in
a foreign country..but was born of only (1) US citizen parent.
Which means like Harding..he was not legally elected to the office.
Shrug
But..that doesnt stop the Leftwingers from bowing at his feet and
nuzzling his genitals.
Gunner
wrote:
>Per Gunner Asch:
>>Because he was born there?
>
>That was humor, right?
>
>Speaking for the humor-impaired, I would have to point out that
>the laws of the United States Of America do not allow a
>foreign-born person to serve as President.
This is indeed true. And the pres has to have (2) Citizen parents.
>Speaking for the humor-impaired, I would have to point out that
>the laws of the United States Of America do not allow a
>foreign-born person to serve as President.
The Obamassiah had only (1) US citizen parent. The other one..his
father..was a British citizen.
Which is why we are all a bit upset. The dumb fuck was not only born in
a foreign country..but was born of only (1) US citizen parent.
Which means like Harding..he was not legally elected to the office.
Shrug
But..that doesnt stop the Leftwingers from bowing at his feet and
nuzzling his genitals.
Gunner
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 22, 2012, 6:45:18 AM5/22/12
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On 5/21/2012 11:44 PM, Billy wrote:
> In article<jpesqq$8a7$3...@dont-email.me>,
> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> On 5/21/2012 2:43 PM, Billy wrote:
>>> [...]
>> > Now we are told that government promised too much with large pensions.
>>> There isn't enough money for health, education, Israel, and the
>>> Pentagon. So health and education (the poor, the young, the old, the
>>> sick, the disabled) get cut, and the Pentagon, and Israel get more.[...]
>>
>> Be careful, or someone (not me) will call you an antisemite.
>
> Antisemite, no. Antizionist, yes. I like a 1 state solution with Jews,
> Christians, Muslims, and anyone else who may want to join.
>
Antisemite - Noun: Anyone the Zionists do not like.
> In article<jpesqq$8a7$3...@dont-email.me>,
> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> On 5/21/2012 2:43 PM, Billy wrote:
>>> [...]
>> > Now we are told that government promised too much with large pensions.
>>> There isn't enough money for health, education, Israel, and the
>>> Pentagon. So health and education (the poor, the young, the old, the
>>> sick, the disabled) get cut, and the Pentagon, and Israel get more.[...]
>>
>> Be careful, or someone (not me) will call you an antisemite.
>
> Antisemite, no. Antizionist, yes. I like a 1 state solution with Jews,
> Christians, Muslims, and anyone else who may want to join.
>
Not that I agree, just telling it as it is.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 22, 2012, 6:48:13 AM5/22/12
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all the birthers then?
Or is this issue simply driven by racism and partisanship?
<rhetorical question>
VtSkier
May 22, 2012, 8:14:42 AM5/22/12
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On 5/22/2012 6:48 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
> On 5/21/2012 11:53 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:50:41 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Per Gunner Asch:
>>>> Because he was born there?
>>>
>>> That was humor, right?
>>
>> Ah..no. It was factual.
>>>
>>> Speaking for the humor-impaired, I would have to point out that
>>> the laws of the United States Of America do not allow a
>>> foreign-born person to serve as President.
>>
>> This is indeed true. And the pres has to have (2) Citizen parents.
>>
>> The Obamassiah had only (1) US citizen parent. The other one..his
>> father..was a British citizen.
>>
>> Which is why we are all a bit upset. The dumb fuck was not only born in
>> a foreign country..but was born of only (1) US citizen parent.
1) As far as I know, Hawaii is part of the US.
> On 5/21/2012 11:53 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:50:41 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Per Gunner Asch:
>>>> Because he was born there?
>>>
>>> That was humor, right?
>>
>> Ah..no. It was factual.
>>>
>>> Speaking for the humor-impaired, I would have to point out that
>>> the laws of the United States Of America do not allow a
>>> foreign-born person to serve as President.
>>
>> This is indeed true. And the pres has to have (2) Citizen parents.
>>
>> The Obamassiah had only (1) US citizen parent. The other one..his
>> father..was a British citizen.
>>
>> Which is why we are all a bit upset. The dumb fuck was not only born in
>> a foreign country..but was born of only (1) US citizen parent.
2) There is NO requirement to have US citizens as parents UNLESS you are
born on foreign soil, then you need two. The requirement is to be born
on US soil OR to have two US citizens as parents.
3) <shrug> Some people never passes Civics in eighth grade.
4) Sorry about confusing you with facts, I know your mind is made up.
5) Whether or not you like Obama, this issue is not a good one to resist
his election.
(PeteCresswell)
May 22, 2012, 10:28:45 AM5/22/12
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Per Gunner Asch:
- There are tens of thousands, if not millions of people in the
USA who hate the president rabidly.
- At least some of those are lawyers - hundreds? thousands?
tens of thousands?
- At least some of them have, literally, *billions* of dollars
at their disposal (e.g. the Koch brothers). Dunno if the
Kochs fit in the "rabid" category, but they're certainly
dedicated heart-and-soul to taking down the current
administration and they are not the only super-rich out
there on the right wing... Joe Ricketts, for instance.
- Right-wing SuperPACS with tens of millions of dollars to spend
any way they want have become a fact of life.
- The supreme court is now tilted 5-4 toward the right.
With all that manpower and money locked and loaded, why hasn't
anybody been able to take the legality of the president's
election to court and prevail?
--
Pete Cresswell
>
>Which means like Harding..he was not legally elected to the office.
Consider this:
>Which means like Harding..he was not legally elected to the office.
- There are tens of thousands, if not millions of people in the
USA who hate the president rabidly.
- At least some of those are lawyers - hundreds? thousands?
tens of thousands?
- At least some of them have, literally, *billions* of dollars
at their disposal (e.g. the Koch brothers). Dunno if the
Kochs fit in the "rabid" category, but they're certainly
dedicated heart-and-soul to taking down the current
administration and they are not the only super-rich out
there on the right wing... Joe Ricketts, for instance.
- Right-wing SuperPACS with tens of millions of dollars to spend
any way they want have become a fact of life.
- The supreme court is now tilted 5-4 toward the right.
With all that manpower and money locked and loaded, why hasn't
anybody been able to take the legality of the president's
election to court and prevail?
--
Pete Cresswell
VtSkier
May 22, 2012, 11:41:20 AM5/22/12
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Gunner Asch
May 22, 2012, 1:34:24 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 05:48:13 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/21/2012 11:53 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:50:41 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Per Gunner Asch:
>>>> Because he was born there?
>>>
>>> That was humor, right?
>>
>> Ah..no. It was factual.
>>>
>>> Speaking for the humor-impaired, I would have to point out that
>>> the laws of the United States Of America do not allow a
>>> foreign-born person to serve as President.
>>
>> This is indeed true. And the pres has to have (2) Citizen parents.
>>
>> The Obamassiah had only (1) US citizen parent. The other one..his
>> father..was a British citizen.
>>
>> Which is why we are all a bit upset. The dumb fuck was not only born in
>> a foreign country..but was born of only (1) US citizen parent.
>>
>> Which means like Harding..he was not legally elected to the office.
>>
>> Shrug
>>
>> But..that doesnt stop the Leftwingers from bowing at his feet and
>> nuzzling his genitals.
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>George Wanker Bush was put into office twice fraudulently. Where were
>all the birthers then?
Odd that the Supreme Court of the United States didnt share your bleef
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/21/2012 11:53 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:50:41 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Per Gunner Asch:
>>>> Because he was born there?
>>>
>>> That was humor, right?
>>
>> Ah..no. It was factual.
>>>
>>> Speaking for the humor-impaired, I would have to point out that
>>> the laws of the United States Of America do not allow a
>>> foreign-born person to serve as President.
>>
>> This is indeed true. And the pres has to have (2) Citizen parents.
>>
>> The Obamassiah had only (1) US citizen parent. The other one..his
>> father..was a British citizen.
>>
>> Which is why we are all a bit upset. The dumb fuck was not only born in
>> a foreign country..but was born of only (1) US citizen parent.
>>
>> Which means like Harding..he was not legally elected to the office.
>>
>> Shrug
>>
>> But..that doesnt stop the Leftwingers from bowing at his feet and
>> nuzzling his genitals.
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>George Wanker Bush was put into office twice fraudulently. Where were
>all the birthers then?
about "fraudulantly"..nor has any of the recounts.
Im curious..are you simply playing..or are you actually this stupid and
mental?
>
>Or is this issue simply driven by racism and partisanship?
><rhetorical question>
partisan.
So Bubba..when is your next Klan meeting? And having been a stalwart
supporter of the Democratic Party for the past 150 yrs...isnt it about
time you shut the doors and turned off the lights? Your KKK is long
overdue to be placed against a good solid wall somewhere and shot.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
May 22, 2012, 1:38:06 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 08:14:42 -0400, VtSkier <VtS...@somewhere.net>
wrote:
>On 5/22/2012 6:48 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>> On 5/21/2012 11:53 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:50:41 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Per Gunner Asch:
>>>>> Because he was born there?
>>>>
>>>> That was humor, right?
>>>
>>> Ah..no. It was factual.
>>>>
>>>> Speaking for the humor-impaired, I would have to point out that
>>>> the laws of the United States Of America do not allow a
>>>> foreign-born person to serve as President.
>>>
>>> This is indeed true. And the pres has to have (2) Citizen parents.
>>>
>>> The Obamassiah had only (1) US citizen parent. The other one..his
>>> father..was a British citizen.
>>>
>>> Which is why we are all a bit upset. The dumb fuck was not only born in
>>> a foreign country..but was born of only (1) US citizen parent.
>
>1) As far as I know, Hawaii is part of the US.
It certainly is. However Kenya isnt an island in Hawaii.
behind in the polls and you are horrified that your Great Obamassiah
wont be in office in January?
Deal with it.
As a side note, most of you Leftwing Extremist Fringe Kooks wont be
alive in November. Shrug
We do indeed...live in interesting times. Its going to be a very
long..hot..summer.
<VBG>
wrote:
>On 5/22/2012 6:48 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>> On 5/21/2012 11:53 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:50:41 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Per Gunner Asch:
>>>>> Because he was born there?
>>>>
>>>> That was humor, right?
>>>
>>> Ah..no. It was factual.
>>>>
>>>> Speaking for the humor-impaired, I would have to point out that
>>>> the laws of the United States Of America do not allow a
>>>> foreign-born person to serve as President.
>>>
>>> This is indeed true. And the pres has to have (2) Citizen parents.
>>>
>>> The Obamassiah had only (1) US citizen parent. The other one..his
>>> father..was a British citizen.
>>>
>>> Which is why we are all a bit upset. The dumb fuck was not only born in
>>> a foreign country..but was born of only (1) US citizen parent.
>
>1) As far as I know, Hawaii is part of the US.
>
>2) There is NO requirement to have US citizens as parents UNLESS you are
>born on foreign soil, then you need two. The requirement is to be born
>on US soil OR to have two US citizens as parents.
I strongly suggest you review the data again.
>2) There is NO requirement to have US citizens as parents UNLESS you are
>born on foreign soil, then you need two. The requirement is to be born
>on US soil OR to have two US citizens as parents.
>
>3) <shrug> Some people never passes Civics in eighth grade.
Indeed. Its rather pitiful isnt it?
>3) <shrug> Some people never passes Civics in eighth grade.
>
>4) Sorry about confusing you with facts, I know your mind is made up.
When you start supplying some accurate facts..Ill let you know.
>4) Sorry about confusing you with facts, I know your mind is made up.
>
>5) Whether or not you like Obama, this issue is not a good one to resist
>his election.
<VBG> Really? Why is that? Because he is falling farther and farther
>5) Whether or not you like Obama, this issue is not a good one to resist
>his election.
behind in the polls and you are horrified that your Great Obamassiah
wont be in office in January?
Deal with it.
As a side note, most of you Leftwing Extremist Fringe Kooks wont be
alive in November. Shrug
We do indeed...live in interesting times. Its going to be a very
long..hot..summer.
<VBG>
Gunner Asch
May 22, 2012, 1:40:17 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 10:28:45 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid>
wrote:
1. Disbelief at the DNC for trying this
2. Good record hiding
3. The MSM suppressing most of the proceedings
4. Cowardly judges who dont want to go down in the history books as the
one who removed a president.
Shrug
Its going to be a very..very..very interesting year. <VBG>
Gunner
wrote:
2. Good record hiding
3. The MSM suppressing most of the proceedings
4. Cowardly judges who dont want to go down in the history books as the
one who removed a president.
Shrug
Its going to be a very..very..very interesting year. <VBG>
Gunner
Gunner Asch
May 22, 2012, 1:42:13 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 11:41:20 -0400, VtSkier <VtS...@somewhere.net>
wrote:
See my previous post. Shrug.
Im curious as to why all the Leftists are trying desperately to keep ID
requirements from the voting booth?
You need ID to drive, to cash a check, to pay a bill, yet your lot
doesnt want ID to be required to vote.
Most interesting, given the voter fraud record of the Democratic party.
Gunner
wrote:
Im curious as to why all the Leftists are trying desperately to keep ID
requirements from the voting booth?
You need ID to drive, to cash a check, to pay a bill, yet your lot
doesnt want ID to be required to vote.
Most interesting, given the voter fraud record of the Democratic party.
Gunner
Billy
May 22, 2012, 2:37:56 PM5/22/12
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In article <aajnr7tieljs6b359...@4ax.com>,
Anybody read Alice in Wonderland lately?
Gunneria Arschloch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 05:48:13 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 05:48:13 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
> >On 5/21/2012 11:53 PM, Gunneria Arschloch wrote:
> >> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:50:41 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Per Gunneria Arschloch:
> >> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:50:41 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Because he was born there?
> >>>
> >>> That was humor, right?
> >>
> >> Ah..no. It was factual.
> >>>
> >>> Speaking for the humor-impaired, I would have to point out that
> >>> the laws of the United States Of America do not allow a
> >>> foreign-born person to serve as President.
> >>
> >> This is indeed true. And the pres has to have (2) Citizen parents.
> >>
> >> The Obamassiah had only (1) US citizen parent. The other one..his
> >> father..was a British citizen.
> >>
> >> Which is why we are all a bit upset. The dumb fuck was not only born in
> >> a foreign country..but was born of only (1) US citizen parent.
> >>
> >> Which means like Harding..he was not legally elected to the office.
> >>
> >> Shrug
> >>
> >> But..that doesnt stop the Leftwingers from bowing at his feet and
> >> nuzzling his genitals.
> >>
> >> Gunney
> >>>
> >>> That was humor, right?
> >>
> >> Ah..no. It was factual.
> >>>
> >>> Speaking for the humor-impaired, I would have to point out that
> >>> the laws of the United States Of America do not allow a
> >>> foreign-born person to serve as President.
> >>
> >> This is indeed true. And the pres has to have (2) Citizen parents.
> >>
> >> The Obamassiah had only (1) US citizen parent. The other one..his
> >> father..was a British citizen.
> >>
> >> Which is why we are all a bit upset. The dumb fuck was not only born in
> >> a foreign country..but was born of only (1) US citizen parent.
> >>
> >> Which means like Harding..he was not legally elected to the office.
> >>
> >> Shrug
> >>
> >> But..that doesnt stop the Leftwingers from bowing at his feet and
> >> nuzzling his genitals.
> >>
> >>
> >George Wanker Bush was put into office twice fraudulently. Where were
> >all the birthers then?
>
> Odd that the Supreme Court of the United States didnt share your bleef
> about "fraudulantly"..nor has any of the recounts.
> Im curious..are you simply playing..or are you actually this stupid and
> mental?
>
> >
> >Or is this issue simply driven by racism and partisanship?
> ><rhetorical question>
>
> Based on your statements above..Im betting you are indeed racist and
> partisan.
>
> So Bubba..when is your next Klan meeting? And having been a stalwart
> supporter of the Democratic Party for the past 150 yrs...isnt it about
> time you shut the doors and turned off the lights? Your KKK is long
> overdue to be placed against a good solid wall somewhere and shot.
>
> Gunneria Arschloch
> >George Wanker Bush was put into office twice fraudulently. Where were
> >all the birthers then?
>
> Odd that the Supreme Court of the United States didnt share your bleef
> about "fraudulantly"..nor has any of the recounts.
> Im curious..are you simply playing..or are you actually this stupid and
> mental?
>
> >
> >Or is this issue simply driven by racism and partisanship?
> ><rhetorical question>
>
> Based on your statements above..Im betting you are indeed racist and
> partisan.
>
> So Bubba..when is your next Klan meeting? And having been a stalwart
> supporter of the Democratic Party for the past 150 yrs...isnt it about
> time you shut the doors and turned off the lights? Your KKK is long
> overdue to be placed against a good solid wall somewhere and shot.
>
Anybody read Alice in Wonderland lately?
Billy
May 22, 2012, 2:48:07 PM5/22/12
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In article <khjnr79k32smup1r2...@4ax.com>,
Gunneria Arschloch <gunneria...@gmail.com> wrote:
The point is that Gunny isn't open to discussion, or serious debate.
Gunny just repeats the same unsubstantiated charges over and over, and
the only changes are in his invectives.
You are playing with a troll.
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 08:14:42 -0400, VtSkier <VtS...@somewhere.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On 5/22/2012 6:48 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
> >>> Gunneria
Gunneria Arschloch <gunneria...@gmail.com> wrote:
The point is that Gunny isn't open to discussion, or serious debate.
Gunny just repeats the same unsubstantiated charges over and over, and
the only changes are in his invectives.
You are playing with a troll.
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 08:14:42 -0400, VtSkier <VtS...@somewhere.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On 5/22/2012 6:48 AM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
> >> On 5/21/2012 11:53 PM,Gunneria Arschloch wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:50:41 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Per Gunneria Arschloch:
> >>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:50:41 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >> George Wanker Bush was put into office twice fraudulently. Where were
> >> all the birthers then?
> >>
> >> Or is this issue simply driven by racism and partisanship?
> >> <rhetorical question>
> >>
> >> George Wanker Bush was put into office twice fraudulently. Where were
> >> all the birthers then?
> >>
> >> Or is this issue simply driven by racism and partisanship?
> >> <rhetorical question>
> >>
Billy
May 22, 2012, 3:01:57 PM5/22/12
to
In article <n6mlr71ngag6ruc6k...@4ax.com>,
Actually not. Germany has a declining birthrate, and if you have
technical skills (and not too old) you can work there (I think it's
called a blue card).
Here in the U.S., when I had a by-pass operation, I was out on the curb
the next day. My wife's cousin in Germany had a by-pass operation, and
spent 6 weeks in a sanitarium recovering before being sent home.
Germany celebrates Easter and Christmas very much like Americans
(America's largest ethnic group). Nobody has a monopoly on saints or
sinners, and Germany is a very nice place to be (if you don't need too
much sun).
technical skills (and not too old) you can work there (I think it's
called a blue card).
Here in the U.S., when I had a by-pass operation, I was out on the curb
the next day. My wife's cousin in Germany had a by-pass operation, and
spent 6 weeks in a sanitarium recovering before being sent home.
Germany celebrates Easter and Christmas very much like Americans
(America's largest ethnic group). Nobody has a monopoly on saints or
sinners, and Germany is a very nice place to be (if you don't need too
much sun).
Gunner Asch
May 22, 2012, 5:14:06 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 11:48:07 -0700, Billy <wild...@withoutta.net>
wrote:
>In article <khjnr79k32smup1r2...@4ax.com>,
> Gunneria Arschloch <gunneria...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>The point is that Gunny isn't open to discussion, or serious debate.
>Gunny just repeats the same unsubstantiated charges over and over, and
>the only changes are in his invectives.
>
>You are playing with a troll.
Oh come on now Bubby...you are the vicious little pit yorky who keeps
changing nyms, buggering up other peoples postings and trys so
desperately to stack the deck to make brownie points for your fellow
mental cases over there on the far Left.
That hardly makes ME a troll. In fact..Im posting from one of my home
newsgroups, alt.machines.cnc and you came in and started throwing shit
at the walls like an orangatang at the zoo.
That makes you a valid target of opportunity.
<VBG>
wrote:
>In article <khjnr79k32smup1r2...@4ax.com>,
> Gunneria Arschloch <gunneria...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>The point is that Gunny isn't open to discussion, or serious debate.
>Gunny just repeats the same unsubstantiated charges over and over, and
>the only changes are in his invectives.
>
>You are playing with a troll.
changing nyms, buggering up other peoples postings and trys so
desperately to stack the deck to make brownie points for your fellow
mental cases over there on the far Left.
That hardly makes ME a troll. In fact..Im posting from one of my home
newsgroups, alt.machines.cnc and you came in and started throwing shit
at the walls like an orangatang at the zoo.
That makes you a valid target of opportunity.
<VBG>
Gunner Asch
May 22, 2012, 5:17:07 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 11:37:56 -0700, Billy <wild...@withoutta.net>
wrote:
Is that the one where you serviced all the kings men and their horses?
KKK Terrorist Arm of the Democratic Party
By Frances Rice
History shows that the Ku Klux Klan was the terrorist arm of the
Democrat Party. This ugly fact about the Democrat Party is detailed in
the book, A Short History of Reconstruction, (Harper & Row Publishers,
Inc., 1990) by Dr. Eric Foner, the renown liberal historian who is the
DeWitt Clinton Professor of History at Columbia University. As a
further testament to his impeccable credentials, Professor Foner is only
the second person to serve as president of the three major professional
organizations: the Organization of American Historians, American
Historical Association, and Society of American Historians.
Democrats in the last century did not hide their connections to the Ku
Klux Klan. Georgia-born Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Grand Dragon
of the Ku Klux Klan wrote on page 21 of the September 1928 edition of
the Klan’s “The Kourier Magazine”: “I have never voted for any man who
was not a regular Democrat. My father … never voted for any man who was
not a Democrat. My grandfather was …the head of the Ku Klux Klan in
reconstruction days…. My great-grandfather was a life-long Democrat….
My great-great-grandfather was…one of the founders of the Democratic
party.”
Dr. Foner in his book explores the history of the origins of Ku Klux
Klan and provides a chilling account of the atrocities committed by
Democrats against Republicans, black and white.
On page 146 of his book, Professor Foner wrote: “Founded in 1866 as a
Tennessee social club, the Ku Klux Klan spread into nearly every
Southern state, launching a ‘reign of terror‘ against Republican leaders
black and white.” Page 184 of his book contains the definitive
statements: “In effect, the Klan was a military force serving the
interests of the Democratic party, the planter class, and all those who
desired the restoration of white supremacy. It aimed to destroy the
Republican party’s infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state,
reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial
subordination in every aspect of Southern life.”
Heartbreaking are Professor Foner’s recitations of the horrific acts of
terror inflicted by Democrats on black and white Republicans. Recounted
on pages 184-185 of his book is one such act of terror: “Jack Dupree, a
victim of a particularly brutal murder in Monroe County, Mississippi -
assailants cut his throat and disemboweled him, all within sight of his
wife, who had just given birth to twins - was ‘president of a republican
club‘ and known as a man who ‘would speak his mind.’”
“White gangs roamed New Orleans, intimidating blacks and breaking up
Republican meetings,“ wrote Dr. Foner on page 146 of his book. On page
186, he wrote: “An even more extensive ‘reign of terror’ engulfed
Jackson, a plantation county in Florida’s panhandle. ‘That is where
Satan has his seat,‘ remarked a black clergyman; all told over 150
persons were killed, among them black leaders and Jewish merchant Samuel
Fleischman, resented for his Republican views and for dealing fairly
with black customers.“
Frances Rice is the Chairman of the National Black Republican
Association and may be contacted at: http://www.nbra.info/
wrote:
KKK Terrorist Arm of the Democratic Party
By Frances Rice
History shows that the Ku Klux Klan was the terrorist arm of the
Democrat Party. This ugly fact about the Democrat Party is detailed in
the book, A Short History of Reconstruction, (Harper & Row Publishers,
Inc., 1990) by Dr. Eric Foner, the renown liberal historian who is the
DeWitt Clinton Professor of History at Columbia University. As a
further testament to his impeccable credentials, Professor Foner is only
the second person to serve as president of the three major professional
organizations: the Organization of American Historians, American
Historical Association, and Society of American Historians.
Democrats in the last century did not hide their connections to the Ku
Klux Klan. Georgia-born Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Grand Dragon
of the Ku Klux Klan wrote on page 21 of the September 1928 edition of
the Klan’s “The Kourier Magazine”: “I have never voted for any man who
was not a regular Democrat. My father … never voted for any man who was
not a Democrat. My grandfather was …the head of the Ku Klux Klan in
reconstruction days…. My great-grandfather was a life-long Democrat….
My great-great-grandfather was…one of the founders of the Democratic
party.”
Dr. Foner in his book explores the history of the origins of Ku Klux
Klan and provides a chilling account of the atrocities committed by
Democrats against Republicans, black and white.
On page 146 of his book, Professor Foner wrote: “Founded in 1866 as a
Tennessee social club, the Ku Klux Klan spread into nearly every
Southern state, launching a ‘reign of terror‘ against Republican leaders
black and white.” Page 184 of his book contains the definitive
statements: “In effect, the Klan was a military force serving the
interests of the Democratic party, the planter class, and all those who
desired the restoration of white supremacy. It aimed to destroy the
Republican party’s infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state,
reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial
subordination in every aspect of Southern life.”
Heartbreaking are Professor Foner’s recitations of the horrific acts of
terror inflicted by Democrats on black and white Republicans. Recounted
on pages 184-185 of his book is one such act of terror: “Jack Dupree, a
victim of a particularly brutal murder in Monroe County, Mississippi -
assailants cut his throat and disemboweled him, all within sight of his
wife, who had just given birth to twins - was ‘president of a republican
club‘ and known as a man who ‘would speak his mind.’”
“White gangs roamed New Orleans, intimidating blacks and breaking up
Republican meetings,“ wrote Dr. Foner on page 146 of his book. On page
186, he wrote: “An even more extensive ‘reign of terror’ engulfed
Jackson, a plantation county in Florida’s panhandle. ‘That is where
Satan has his seat,‘ remarked a black clergyman; all told over 150
persons were killed, among them black leaders and Jewish merchant Samuel
Fleischman, resented for his Republican views and for dealing fairly
with black customers.“
Frances Rice is the Chairman of the National Black Republican
Association and may be contacted at: http://www.nbra.info/
Gunner Asch
May 22, 2012, 5:19:04 PM5/22/12
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>> So Bubba..when is your next Klan meeting? And having been a stalwart
>> supporter of the Democratic Party for the past 150 yrs...isnt it about
>> time you shut the doors and turned off the lights? Your KKK is long
>> overdue to be placed against a good solid wall somewhere and shot.
>>
>> Gunneria Arschloch
>
>Anybody read Alice in Wonderland lately?
http://gopcapitalist.tripod.com/democratrecord.html
>> supporter of the Democratic Party for the past 150 yrs...isnt it about
>> time you shut the doors and turned off the lights? Your KKK is long
>> overdue to be placed against a good solid wall somewhere and shot.
>>
>> Gunneria Arschloch
>
>Anybody read Alice in Wonderland lately?
The Democrat Party's Long and Shameful History of Bigotry and Racism
A common attack upon conservatives and republicans by the ultra left is
to engage in what has come to be known as "playing the race card" but is
more accurately described as racial McCarthyism. Hardly a day goes by
without a member of the far left wing falsely accusing conservatives of
racism, bigotry, and a wide array of similar nasty things. They are not
only dishonest, but they often border on the absurd, as in NAACP leader
and hyper bigot Julian Bond's recent implication to his organization
that Bush administration officials supported confederate slavery.
Amazingly, Bond's statements went without condemnation from the radical
Democrat party or others in his organization.
Not surprisingly, in all the lies and accusations of racism by the
radical left wing, the truth becomes distorted not only about the
Republicans but also the Democrats who make these accusations
themselves. For instance, you may or may not have heard Democrat Senator
Robert Byrd's outburst of racist bigoted slurs, more specifically the
"n-word," on national television in March of 2001. Amazingly, this
incident of blatant racism on national television drew barely a peep
from the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Julian Bond, Mary Frances Berry, or any
of the other ambulance chasers who purport themselves to be the leaders
of the civil rights movement. In contrast, the main source of well
deserved criticism for Byrd's racist outburst came not from any of the
so called leaders of the civil rights movement but from from Republican
Majority Leader Dick Armey (source). The race hustlers Jackson, Mfume et
al turned a blind eye towards this act of racism by one of their own
party, at most issuing an unpublicized slap on the wrist, or, as was
more often the case, making not a peep. But where the race hustlers turn
a blind eye and spew their lies, it is up to conservatives to set the
record straight with the truth.
In response to the growing practice of racial McCarthyism by prominent
left wing Democrats, it is necessary to expose the truth about the
Democrat Party's record on Civil Rights:
I. Acts of Bigotry by Prominent Democrats and Leftists:
Franklin Delano Roosevelt: Franklin Roosevelt, the long time hero and
standard bearer of the Democrat Party, headed up and implemented one of
the most horrible racist policies of the 20th Century – the Japanese
Internment Camps during World War II. Roosevelt unilaterally and
knowingly enacted Japanese Internment through the use of presidential
Executive Orders 9066 and 9102 during the early years of the war. These
orders single-handedly led to the imprisonment of an estimated 120,000
law abiding Americans of Japanese ancestry, the overwhelming majority of
them natural born second and third generation American citizens.
Countless innocents lost their property, fortunes, and, in the case of
an unfortunate few, even their lives as a result of Roosevelt's
internment camps, camps that have been accurately described as America's
concentration camps. Perhaps most telling about the racist nature of
Roosevelt's order was his clearly expressed intention to apply it almost
entirely to Japanese Americans, even though America was also at war with
Germany and Italy. In 1943, Roosevelt wrote regarding concerns of German
and Italian Americans that they t0o would share in the fate of the
interned Japanese Americans, noting that "no collective evacuation of
German and Italian aliens is contemplated at this time." Despite this
assertion, Roosevelt did exhibit his personal fears about Italian and
German Americans, and in his typical racist form he used an ethnic
stereotype to make his point. Expressing about his position on German
and Italian Americans during World War II, Roosevelt stated “I don’t
care so much about the Italians, they are a lot of opera singers, but
the Germans are different. They may be dangerous.”
Roosevelt also appointed two notorious segregationists to the United
States Supreme Court. Roosevelt appointed South Carolina segregationist
Democrat Jimmy Byrnes to the court. Roosevelt later made Byrnes a top
advisor, where the segregationist earned the nickname “assistant
president.” Byrnes was Roosevelt’s second choice behind Harry Truman for
the VP nod in his 1944 reelection bid. Roosevelt also appointed
segregationist Democrat Senator Hugo Black of Alabama to the court.
Black was a former member of the Ku Klux Klan with a notorious record of
racism himself.
Hugo Black: A former Democrat Senator from Alabama and liberal U.S.
Supreme Court Justice appointed by FDR, Hugo Black had a lengthy history
of hate group activism. Black was a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the
1920's and gained his legal fame defending Klansmen under prosecution
for racial murders. In one prominent case, Black provided legal
representation to Klansman Edwin Stephenson for the hate-induced murder
of a Catholic priest in Birmingham. A jury composed of several Klan
members acquited Stephenson of the murder, reportedly after Black
expressed Klan gestures to the jury during the trial. In 1926 Black
sought and won election as a Democrat to the United States Senate after
campaigning heavily to Klan membership. He is said to have told one Klan
audience "I desire to impress upon you as representatives of the real
Anglo-Saxon sentiment that must and will control the destinies of the
stars and stripes, that I want your counsel." In the Senate Black became
a stauch supporter of the liberal New Deal initiatives of FDR and a
solid opponent of civil rights legislation, including a filibuster of an
anti-lynching measure. Black led the push for several New Deal programs
and was a key participant in FDR's court packing scandal. Roosevelt
appointed Black, a loyal ally, to the U.S. Supreme Court. During the
Senate confirmation of Black's nomination, the issue of his strong Klan
affiliations caused a public controversy over his appointment. Following
the confirmation Roosevelt claimed ignorance of Black's Klan past,
though this claim was dubious at best. Black's first Senate election,
which occurred with Klan support, had been covered nationally a decade
earlier in 1926. Black's Klan affiliations were a well known part of his
political background and recieved heavy coverage in the newspapers at
the time of his appointment. On the court, Black became a liberal
stalwart. He also continued his career of supporting racism by authoring
the opinion in favor of FDR's Japanese internment program in the
infamous Korematsu ruling.
Senator Robert Byrd, D-WV: Byrd is a former member of the Ku Klux Klan
and is currently the only national elected official with a history in
the Klan, a well known hate group. Byrd was extremely active in the Klan
and rose to the rank of “Kleagle,” an official Klan membership
recruiter. Byrd once stated that he joined the Klan because it was
effective in "promoting traditional American values" (Source). Byrd's
choice of words speak volumes about his bigotry considering the fact
that the Klan is a notorious hate group, and the racist "values" it
promotes are anything but American. One of the earliest criticisms of
Byrd's Klan ties came in 1952 when he was running for Congress. Byrd
responded by claiming that he had left the Klan in 1943 while noting
that "(d)uring the nine years that have followed, I have never been
interested in the Klan." Byrd was lying, however, as he engaged in
correspondence with a Klan Imperial Wizard long after he claims to have
ended his ties with the hate group.
In a letter to the Klan leadership (Source) dated 3 years after he
purported to have ended his ties with them, Byrd wrote "I am a former
kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties
of the state. The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious
to see its rebirth here in West Virginia." Byrd continued his racist
diatribe "It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in
every state of the Union" and followed with a request for assistance
from the hate group's leadership in "rebuilding the Klan in the realm"
of West Virginia.
Byrd's racism extends far beyond his Klan membership. In a letter he
wrote on the subject of desegregating the armed forces, Byrd escalated
his racist rhetoric to an appalling level. In the letter, Byrd vowed
that he would never fight in an integrated armed services noting
"(r)ather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in
the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours
become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen
from the wilds" (Source).
Byrd's racist opinions have shown their ugly face in his behavior in the
Senate. Byrd led the filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and,
according to the United States Senate's own website, filibustered the
legislation to the bitter end appearing as one of the last opponents to
the act before a coalition of civil rights proponents led by Republican
Minority Leader Everett Dirksen invoked cloture so that the Civil Rights
Act of 1964 could pass. At the time, Byrd was in the the midst of a 14
hour and 13 minute filibuster diatribe against the key civil rights
measure (Source). Throughout the 1960's, Byrd was was one of the
staunchest opponents to civil rights in the U.S. Senate. Byrd’s racist
history drew attention recently when he went on national television and
repeatedly used the n-word, one of the most vicious racial slurs in
existence, in an appearance on national television. Byrd uttered the
slur on Fox News Sunday with Tony Snow on March 5, 2001. Despite the
appalling nature of the remark, it went largely ignored by the
mainstream media and the self appointed "civil rights" leadership.
Whereas a similar remark by anyone other than a leading Democrat Senator
would assuredly prompt the likes of Jesse Jackson to assemble protest
rallies demanding resignations, the Jackson crowd was eerily quiet
following Byrd's remarks, issuing only low key suggestions that Byrd
should avoid making such bigoted remarks.
In a sickening recognition of Byrd's appalling political career, the
national Democrat party has done nothing but embrace the West Virginia
senator with leadership roles and practically every honor imaginable. To
this very day the Democrats call former Klansman turned U.S. Senator
Robert Byrd the "conscience of the Senate." They have embraced him as
their party's central pillar in all ways possible. Byrd has been
reelected more times than any other Democrat senator, has served as a
Democrat in Congress, a Democrat State Senator in West Virginia, and a
Democrat State Delegate in West Virginia. Democrats have made repeatedly
elected Byrd into their national party leadership and into the U.S.
Senate leadership. He became secretary of the Senate Democrat Caucus in
1967, and Senate Democrat Whip in 1971. The Democrats elected former
Klansman Byrd as their Senate Majority Leader from 1977-1980 and as
their Senate Minority Leader from 1981-1986. Byrd was again elected
Democrat Majority Leader from 1987-1988. Democrats made Byrd the
chairman of the powerful Appropriations Committee and President Pro
Tempore of the Senate from 1989 until the Republicans won control of the
Senate in November 1994. Following the defection of Jim Jeffords in June
2001, the Democrats again made Byrd the chairman of the Appropriations
Committee and elected him to the highest ranking office in the Senate:
the President Pro Tempore, a position which also put this former
Klansman 4th in line for the presidency. Byrd lost his position when
Republicans retook the Senate in late 2002, but continues to serve as
one of the highest ranking members of the Democrat Senate leadership
today.
Senator Ernest Hollings, D-SC: Hollings is liberal Democrat Senator from
South Carolina who is also notorious for his use of racial slurs. He
rose out of the Democrat Party's segregationist wing in the 1960's as
governor of South Carolina. While in office as governor, Hollings
personally led the opposition to lunch counter integration in his state.
The New York Times reported on March 17, 1960 that then-governor
Hollings "warned today that South Carolina would not permit 'explosive'
manifestations in connection with Negro demands for lunch-counter
services." According to the article, Hollings gave a speech in which he
"challenged President Eisenhower's contention that minorities had the
right to engage in certain types of demonstrations" against segregation.
In the speech Hollings described the Republican president as "confused"
and asserted that Eisenhower had done "great damage to peace and good
order" by supporting the rights of minorities to protest segregation at
the lunch counters.
Governor Hollings' support for segregation continued throughout his term
and included his attendance at a July 23, 1961 meeting of segregationist
Democrats to organize their opposition to the civil rights movement.
Hollings was one of four governors in attendence, all of them Democrats.
The others included rabid segregationists Orval Faubus of Arkansas and
Ross Barnett of Mississippi. The New York Times reported on the meeting,
noting that among the strategies discussed were using the segregationist
White Citizens Council organization to mobilize political opposition to
desegregation.
In more recent years Hollings, a senior Democrat senator, has made
disparaging racial remarks and slurs against minorities. Senator
Hollings, who was a contender for his party's presidential nomination in
1984, blamed his defeat in the primaries by using a racial slur against
Hispanics. After losing the Iowa Straw Poll, Hollings stated "You had
wetbacks from California that came in here for Cranston," referring to
one of his opponents, Alan Cranston. A few years later Hollings
reportedly used the slur "darkies" to derogatorily refer to blacks. He
also once disparagingly referred to the Rainbow PUSH Coalition as the
"Blackbow Coalition," and called former Senator Howard Metzenbaum, who
is Jewish, "the Senator from B'nai B'rith." Hollings gained
international criticism for his remarks about the African Delegation to
the 1993 Geneva GATT conference, where he crudely remarked "you'd find
these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each
other, they'd just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva."
Hollings was also the Governor of South Carolina who raised the
confederate flag over the state capitol in the early 1960's in what was
considered at the time to be an act of defiance to civil rights. The
press ignored Hollings and his role in the flag issue at the same time
the political correctness police were smearing George W. Bush during his
campaign after Bush correctly remarked that the flag was a state issue
to be decided upon by South Carolina and not the national government.
Jesse Jackson: Jackson was the featured prime time speaker at the 2000
Democrat Convention. Jackson has a history of using anti-Semitic slurs
and derogatorily calling New York City “Hymietown.” Jackson, a prominent
self proclaimed "civil rights leader," is himself guilty of the same
bigotry he dishonestly purports to oppose.
Dan Rather: Rather, the well known television anchor for CBS, is also a
liberal Democrat who has spoken at fundraisers for the Democrat party in
the past. The notoriously left wing reporter appeared on the Don Imus
radio show on July 19, 2001 where he was interviewed about his long term
refusal to cover the Gary Condit (D-CA) scandal involving an affair with
a missing intern despite the scandal's national prominence. Rather noted
on the air that CBS had basically forced him to cover the story that was
on every other network and on the front page of all the major
newspapers, all this after Rather avoided it for months. Rather stated
on the air, refering to CBS, that "they got the Buckwheats" and made him
cover the Condit scandal. The term "Buckwheat" is considered an
offensive racial stereotype that stems from an easily frightened black
character named "Buckwheat" on the Little Rascals comedies. It is
widely regarded as a racial epithet and has long been condemned as an
offensive stereotype by several civil rights organizations. In several
past incidents (see here and here) the use of the epithet "Buckwheat"
has recieved condemnation by the NAACP, Al Sharpton and other left wing
organizations. These left wing organizations and personalities have
demanded that other media personalities be fired over using the epithet,
and even staged a protest at a school over the mere allegation that the
racist stereotype had been used by a teacher. Yet these same liberal
groups have, to date, remained completely silent now that one of their
own, Dan Rather, is guilty of using the same offensive racial stereotype
they have condemned elsewhere on a national radio show. It's just more
proof of how the left wingers who cry the loudest with accusations of
racism against others turn a blind eye when somebody of their own left
wing ideology is the undeniable culprit of a blatantly racist act or
statement!
Cragg Hines: Hines is one of the most rabidly partisan DC based Democrat
editorial columnists to work for a major newspaper, and he makes no
attempts to hide it. To Hines, pro-lifers are "neanderthals," as is
often the case with those who differ in opinion with him. Ironically,
Hines, a columnist who regularly touts himself as an enlightened
progressive, is also known for racial remarks and religious intolerance.
He attacked Senator Jesse Helms in an August 26, 2001 editorial with not
only the usual liberal name calling, but also with a racial epithet.
Hines used the racial slur "cracker" to attack Helms. He used the
epithet not only within the article's text, but he even included it in
the piece's title. In a sense of heavy irony, Hines' article accused
Helms of bigotry for, among other things, opposing liberal policies like
affirmative action. He didn't seem to object to himself for his own
bigotted language in the same article. Hines has also drawn heavy
criticism from Catholics including a letter to the editor from the
former President of the U.S. Catholic Bishop's Conference for his
seemingly agenda-driven criticisms of Catholicism and its religious
leaders, often based on little or no historical evidence, which he has
expressed in numerous editorial columns.
Al Sharpton: Sharpton, a perrenial Democrat candidate and one of the
rumored candidates for the Democrat's 2004 presidential nomination, has
a notorious racist past. Sharpton was a central figure who fanned the
1991 Crown Heights race riot, where a mob shouting anti-semetic slurs
murdered an innocent Jewish man. Sharpton also incited a 1995 protest of
a Jewish owned store in Harlem where protesters used several
anti-semetic slurs. During the protests, a Sharpton lieutenant called
the store's owner a "bloodsucker" and declared an intent to "loot the
Jews." A member of the protest mob later set fire to the store,
resulting in the death of seven (source).
Representative Dick Gephardt, D-MO: Gephardt, the former Democrat
Minority Leader in the U.S. House of Representatives, gave several
speeches to a St. Louis area hate group during his early years as a
representative. According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Gephardt spoke
before the Metro South Citizens Council, a now defunct white supremacist
organization, during his early years as a congressman. Newsmax.com
further reported that Gephardt had openly asked the group for an
endorsement of his candidacy during one of his many visits with the
organization. Gephardt has long avoided questions about his past
affiliation with this group.
Andrew Cuomo: Cuomo, Bill Clinton's former Housing Secretary and a
prominent Democrat political player in New York, was tape recorded using
racially inflamatory rhetoric to build opposition to a potential
Democrat primary opponent while speaking to a Democrat group. Cuomo
stated that voting for his rival for the New York Democrat gubernatorial
nomination Carl McCall, who is black, would create a "racial contract"
between Black and Hispanic Democrats "and that can't happen." Upon
initial reports, Cuomo denied the statement but later a tape recording
surfaced. Cuomo later dropped out of the race for governor (source).
Lee P. Brown: Brown, Bill Clinton's former drug czar and Democrat mayor
of Houston, engaged in racist campaigning designed to suppress Hispanic
voter turnout during his 2001 reelection bid. Brown faced challenger
Orlando Sanchez, a Hispanic Republican who drew heavy support from the
Hispanic community during the general election. Two weeks prior to the
runoff, Brown's campaign printed racist signs designed to intimidate
Hispanic voters. The signs featured a photograph of Sanchez and the
words "Anti-Hispanic." The signs drew harsh criticism from Hispanic
leaders as their message was designed to intimidate and confuse Hispanic
voters. Around the same time the signs were being used, Brown supporter
and city councilman Carol Alvarado made a series of racially charged
attacks on Sanchez, implying a desire to see the supression of Hispanic
voter turnout in the runoff. Brown staffers also went on record claiming
that Sanchez was not a true Hispanic. The racist anti-Hispanic
undertones of Brown's reelection bid were so great that liberal Democrat
city councilman John Castillo, himself Hispanic, retracted his
endorsement of Brown in disgust and became a Sanchez supporter in the
final week of the campaign. Following the harsh condemnation of the
racist signs and tactics, Brown purported that his campaign was removing
them even though many still lingered around Houston up until the
election. When election day came along, Brown placed more of the racist
signs at polling places, despite his claim to have stopped using them.
The large campaign billboard style election day signs featured, in
Spanish, the word "Danger!" on them followed by Sanchez's name with a
large red circle and slash through it. The signs identified the Brown
campaign as their owner on the bottom. Brown's racially charged
reelection effort barely squeeked by Sanchez on election day, winning
51% to 49% following a series of racially motivated advertisements in
which the Brown campaign appealed to the fear of black voters by
invoking images of the gruesome lynching death of James Byrd, Jr. and by
attempting to pit them against Hispanics. While Brown had the audacity
to declare himself a mayor for all people and all ethnicities at his
victory party, many in Houston fear the racial wounds inflicted by his
campaign will take years to heal.
Mary Frances Berry: Berry is the Democrat chair of the US Commission on
Civil Rights (USCCR). She purports herself to be an "independent" in her
political affiliation in order to hold her job on the civil rights
commission where partisan membership may not exceed 4 for either party,
but is in fact a dedicated liberal Democrat who openly supported Al Gore
for president and has given a total of $20,000 in personal contributions
to the Democrat Party, Al Gore for President, and other Democrat
candidates over the last decade. Berry is an open racist who is
affiliated with the far-left Pacifica radio network, a group with ties
to black nationalist causes. Berry once stated "Civil rights laws were
not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them,"
indicating that she believes the USCCR should only look out for civil
rights violations against persons of certain select skin colors.
Billy McKinney: Former Democrat State Representative Billy McKinney of
Georgia, who is also the father of former Democrat congresswoman Cynthia
McKinney of the same state. During his daughter's failed 2002 reelection
bid, McKinney appeared on television where he blamed his daughter's
difficulties on a Jewish conspiracy. McKinney unleashed a string of
anti-semitic sentiments, stating "This is all about the Jews" and
spelling out "J-E-W-S." McKinney lost his own seat in a runoff a few
weeks later.
The Democrat Party and the Ku Klux Klan: Aside from the multiple Klan
members who have served in elected capacity within the high ranks of the
Democrat Party, the political party itself has a lengthy but often
overlooked history of involvement with the Ku Klux Klan. Though it has
been all but forgotten by the media, the Democrat National Convention of
1924 was host to one of the largest Klan gatherings in American history.
Dubbed the "Klanbake convention" at the time, the 1924 Democrat National
Convention in New York was dominated by a platform dispute surrounding
the Ku Klux Klan. A minority of the delegates to the convention
attempted to condemn the hate group in the party's platform, but found
their proposal shot down by Klan supporters within the party. As
delegates inside the convention voted in the Klan's favor, the Klan
itself mobilized a celebratory rally outside. On July 4, 1924 one of the
largest Klan gatherings ever occurred outside the convention on a field
in nearby New Jersey. The event was marked by speakers spewing racial
hatred, celebrations of their platform victory in the Democrat
Convention, and ended in a cross burning.
II. Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Movement:
A little known fact of history involves the heavy opposition to the
civil rights movement by several prominent Democrats. Similar historical
neglect is given to the important role Republicans played in supporting
the civil rights movement. A calculation of 26 major civil rights votes
from 1933 through the 1960's civil rights era shows that Republicans
favored civil rights in approximately 96% of the votes, whereas the
Democrats opposed them in 80% of the votes! These facts are often
intentionally overlooked by the left wing Democrats for obvious reasons.
In some cases, the Democrats have told flat out lies about their
shameful record during the civil rights movement.
Democrat Senators organized the record Senate filibuster of the Civil
Rights Act of 1964. Included among the organizers were several prominent
and well known liberal Democrat standard bearers including:
- Robert Byrd, current senator from West Virginia
- J. William Fulbright, Arkansas senator and political mentor of Bill
Clinton
- Albert Gore Sr., Tennessee senator, father and political mentor of Al
Gore. Gore Jr. has been known to lie about his father's opposition to
the Civil Rights Act.
- Sam Ervin, North Carolina senator of Watergate hearings fame
- Richard Russell, famed Georgia senator and later President Pro Tempore
The complete list of the 21 Democrats who opposed the Civil Rights Act
of 1964 includes Senators:
- Hill and Sparkman of Alabama
- Fulbright and McClellan of Arkansas
- Holland and Smathers of Florida
- Russell and Talmadge of Georgia
- Ellender and Long of Louisiana
- Eastland and Stennis of Mississippi
- Ervin and Jordan of North Carolina
- Johnston and Thurmond of South Carolina
- Gore Sr. and Walters of Tennessee
- H. Byrd and Robertson of Virginia
- R. Byrd of West Virginia
Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Act was substantial enough to
literally split the party in two. A whopping 40% of the House Democrats
VOTED AGAINST the Civil Rights Act, while 80% of Republicans SUPPORTED
it. Republican support in the Senate was even higher. Similar trends
occurred with the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was supported by 82%
of House Republicans and 94% of Senate Republicans. The same Democrat
standard bearers took their normal racists stances, this time with
Senator Fulbright leading the opposition effort.
It took the hard work of Republican Senate Minority Leader Everett
Dirksen and Republican Whip Thomas Kuchel to pass the Civil Rights Act
(Dirksen was presented a civil rights accomplishment award for the year
by the head of the NAACP in recognition of his efforts). Upon breaking
the Democrat filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Republican Dirksen
took to the Senate floor and exclaimed "The time has come for equality
of opportunity in sharing in government, in education, and in
employment. It will not be stayed or denied. It is here!" (Full text of
speech). Sadly, Democrats and revisionist historians have all but
forgotten (and intentionally so) that it was Republican Dirksen, not the
divided Democrats, who made the Civil Rights Act a reality. Dirksen also
broke the Democrat filibuster of the 1957 Civil Rights Act that was
signed by Republican President Eisenhower.
Outside of Congress, the three most notorious opponents of school
integration were all Democrats:
- Orval Faubus, Democrat Governor of Arkansas and one of Bill Clinton's
political heroes
- George Wallace, Democrat Governor of Alabama
- Lester Maddox, Democrat Governor of Georgia
The most famous of the school desegregation standoffs involved Governor
Faubus. Democrat Faubus used police and state forces to block the
integration of a high school in Little Rock, Arkansas. The standoff was
settled and the school was integrated only after the intervention of
Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
Even the Democrat Party organization resisted integration and refused to
allow minority participation for decades. Exclusion of minorities was
the general rule of the Democrat Party of many states for decades,
especially in Texas. This racist policy reached its peak under the New
Deal in the southern and western states, often known as the New Deal
Coalition region of FDR. The Supreme Court in Nixon v. Herndon declared
the practice of "white primaries" unconstitutional in 1927 after states
had passed laws barring Blacks from participating in Democrat primaries.
But the Democrat Parties did not yield to the Court’s order. After Nixon
v. Herndon, Democrats simply made rules within the party's individual
executive committees to bar minorities from participating, which were
struck down in Nixon v. Condon in 1932. The Democrats, in typical racist
fashion, responded by using state parties to pass rules barring blacks
from participation. This decision was upheld in Grovey v. Townsend,
which was not overturned until 1944 by Smith v. Allwright. The Texas
Democrats responded with their usual ploys and turned to what was known
as the "Jaybird system" which used private Democrat clubs to hold
white-only votes on a slate of candidates, which were then transferred
to the Democrat party itself and put on their primary ballot as the only
choices. Terry v. Adams overturned the Jaybird system, prompting the
Democrats to institute blocks of unit rule voting procedures as well as
the infamous literacy tests and other Jim Crow regulations to
specifically block minorities from participating in their primaries. In
the end, it took 4 direct Supreme Court orders to end the Democrat's
"white primary" system, and after that it took countless additional
orders, several acts of Congress, and a constitutional amendment to tear
down the Jim Crow codes that preserved the Democrat's white primary for
decades beyond the final Supreme Court order ruling it officially
unconstitutional.
Hispanics in South Texas were treated especially poorly by the Democrat
Party, which relied heavily on a system of political bosses to coerce
and intimidate Hispanics into voting for Democrat primary candidates of
choice. Though coercion is illegal, this system, known as the Patron
system, is still in use to this day by local Democrat parties in some
heavy Hispanic communities of the southwest.
The next time Democrats take to the national airwaves to dishonestly
accuse Republicans of racial hatred, remember who the historical record
up until this very day points to as the real bigots: The Democrat Party.
In all possible ways, the Democrat Party is built around the pillars of
ultra leftists, many of whom are known participants in racism and/or
affiliates of racist hate groups. Consider the Democrat Party of today's
heroes and leaders:
- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Democrat icon and orchestrator of Japanese
Internment
- Ex-House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, former affiliate of a St.
Louis area racist group
- Ex-Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Byrd, former Ku Klux Klansman
known for making bigoted slurs on national television
- Rev. Jesse Jackson, Democrat keynote speaker and race hustler known
for making anti-Semitic slurs
- Rev. Al Sharpten, Democrat activist and perennial candidate and race
hustler known inciting anti-Semitic violence in New York City
- Sen. Ernest Hollings, leading Democrat Senator known for use of racial
slurs against several minority groups
- Lee P. Brown, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat mayor of
Houston who won reelection using racial intimidation against Hispanic
voters
- Andrew Cuomo, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat candidate
for NY Governor who made racist statements about a black opponent.
- Dan Rather, Democrat CBS news anchor and editorialist known for using
anti-black racial epithets on a national radio broadcast
- Donna Brazile, former Gore campaign manager known for making
anti-white racial attacks. Brazile has also worked for Jackson,
Gephardt, and Michael Dukakis
The simple truth is that the Democrat Party's history during this
century is one closely aligned to bigotry in a record stemming largely
out of the liberal New Deal era up until the modern day. Bigots are at
the center of the Democrat party's current leadership and role models.
And in a striking display of hypocrisy, many of the same Democrats who
dishonestly shout accusations of "bigotry" at conservatives are
practicing bigots of the most disgusting and disreputable kind
themselves.
Gunner Asch
May 22, 2012, 5:21:00 PM5/22/12
to
>> So Bubba..when is your next Klan meeting? And having been a stalwart
>> supporter of the Democratic Party for the past 150 yrs...isnt it about
>> time you shut the doors and turned off the lights? Your KKK is long
>> overdue to be placed against a good solid wall somewhere and shot.
>>
>> Gunneria Arschloch
>
>Anybody read Alice in Wonderland lately?
Now was there anything else you liked to look utterly stupid
>> supporter of the Democratic Party for the past 150 yrs...isnt it about
>> time you shut the doors and turned off the lights? Your KKK is long
>> overdue to be placed against a good solid wall somewhere and shot.
>>
>> Gunneria Arschloch
>
>Anybody read Alice in Wonderland lately?
about..Klanner?
Hummm?
Gunner
Gunner Asch
May 22, 2012, 5:20:33 PM5/22/12
to
>> So Bubba..when is your next Klan meeting? And having been a stalwart
>> supporter of the Democratic Party for the past 150 yrs...isnt it about
>> time you shut the doors and turned off the lights? Your KKK is long
>> overdue to be placed against a good solid wall somewhere and shot.
>>
>> Gunneria Arschloch
>
>Anybody read Alice in Wonderland lately?
http://realdemocrathistory.wordpress.com/category/kkk/
>> supporter of the Democratic Party for the past 150 yrs...isnt it about
>> time you shut the doors and turned off the lights? Your KKK is long
>> overdue to be placed against a good solid wall somewhere and shot.
>>
>> Gunneria Arschloch
>
>Anybody read Alice in Wonderland lately?
The KKK was the terrorist wing of the Democrat Party.
May 15, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Posted in Democrat Party, K.K.K | 18 Comments
Our nation’s top historians reveal that the Democratic Party gave us the
Ku Klux Klan, Black Codes, Jim Crow Laws and other repressive
legislation which resulted in the multitude of murders, lynchings,
mutilations, and intimidations (of thousands of black and white
Republicans). On the issue of slavery: historians say the Democrats gave
their lives to expand it, the Republicans gave their lives to ban it.
The Democrats:
Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it.
Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
Democrats supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect
slavery.
Democrats supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand
slavery.
Democrats supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.
Democrats opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers.
Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws.
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having
been a “Kleagle” in the Ku Klux Klan.
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered
the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from
passage.
Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws
enacted by Republicans.
Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than
vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the
party for blacks.
Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout
the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s first appointment to the
Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black,
Democrat of Alabama.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s choice for vice president in
1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in
1922.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to
pass a federal law against lynching.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the
armed forces.
Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the
chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Democrats supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy
v Ferguson.
Democrats supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of
Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
Democrat public safety commissioner Eugene “Bull” Connor, in Birmingham,
Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights
demonstrators.
Democrats were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters
were fighting.
Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox “brandished an ax hammer to
prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
Democrat Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama
schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
Democrat Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of
Little Rock public schools.
Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights
Act.
Democrat President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington
by Dr. King.
Democrat President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and
investigated by the FBI.
Democrat President Bill Clinton’s mentor was U.S. Senator J. William
Fulbright, an Arkansas Democrat and a supporter of racial segregation.
Democrat President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in
1966-67.
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto
opposing the Supreme Court’s 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in
filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting
Rights Act.
Southern Democrats opposed desegregation and integration.
Democrats opposed:
The Emancipation Proclamation
The 13th Amendment
The 14th Amendment
The 15th Amendment
The Reconstruction Act of 1867
The Civil Rights of 1866
The Enforcement Act of 1870
The Forced Act of 1871
The Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
The Civil Rights Act of 1875
The Freeman Bureau
The Civil Rights Act of 1957
The Civil Rights Act of 1960
The United State Civil Rights Commission
Republicans gave strong bi-partisan support and sponsorship for the
following
legislation:
The Civil Rights Act of 1964
The Voting Rights Act of 1965
The 1968 Civil Rights Acts
The Equal Opportunity Act of 1972
Goals and Timetables for Affirmative Action Programs
Comprehensive Employment Training Act of 1973
Voting Rights Act of Amendment of 1982
Civil Rights Act of 1983
Federal Contract Compliance and Workforce Development Act of 1988
The Republicans:
Republicans enacted civil rights laws in the 1950’s and 1960’s, over the
objection of Democrats.
Republicans founded the HBCU’s (Historical Black College’s and
Universities) and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of
the Democrats.
Republicans pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights
legislation in Congress.
Republicans fought slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks
freedom, citizenship and the right to vote.
Republicans pushed through much of the groundbreaking civil rights
legislation from the 1860s through the 1960s.
Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sent troops into the South to
desegregate the schools.
Republican President Eisenhower appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to
the Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of
Education decision.
Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Democrat President
Lyndon Johnson, was the one who pushed through the civil rights laws of
the 1960’s.
Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois wrote the language for
the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois also crafted the
language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited
discrimination in housing.
Republican and black American, A. Phillip Randolph, organized the 1963
March by Dr. King on Washington.
The 1964 Civil Rights Act Roll Call Vote: In the House, only 64 percent
of the Democrats (153 yes, 91 no), but 80 percent of the Republicans
(136 yes, 35 no), voted for it. In the Senate, while only 68 percent of
the Democrats endorsed the bill (46 yes, 21 no), 82 percent of the
Republicans voted to enact it (27 yes, 6 no).
Thaddeus Stevens, a Radical Republican that introduced legislation to
give African Americans the so-called 40 acres and a mule and Democrats
overwhelmingly voted against the bill.
During the Senate debates on the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871, it was
revealed that members of the Democratic Party formed many terrorist
organizations like the Ku Klux Klan to murder and intimidate African
Americans voters. The Ku Klux Klan Act was a bill introduced by a
Republican Congress to stop Klan Activities.
History reveals that Democrats lynched, burned, mutilated and murdered
thousands of blacks and completely destroyed entire towns and
communities occupied by middle class Blacks, including Rosewood,
Florida, the Greenwood District in Tulsa Oklahoma, and Wilmington, North
Carolina to name a few.
History reveals that it was Abolitionists and Radical Republicans such
as Henry L. Morehouse and General Oliver Howard that started many of the
traditional Black colleges, while Democrats fought to keep them closed.
Many of our traditional Black colleges are named after white
Republicans.
After exclusively giving the Democrats their votes for the past 25
years, the average African American cannot point to one piece of civil
rights legislation sponsored solely by the Democratic Party that was
specifically designed to eradicate the unique problems that African
Americans face today.
As of 2004, the Democrat Party (the oldest political party in America)
has never elected a black man to the United States Senate, the
Republicans have elected three.
VtSkier
May 22, 2012, 5:56:04 PM5/22/12
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during reconstruction, in fact right up through the oh, say, the
twenties, the Democratic party was indeed the voice of conservatism, at
least social conservatism as was and still is practiced in the South.
And I learned about the "Solid South" in that Civics class that I passed
so well in eighth grade. The Solid South was "Solid" because of memories
of Reconstruction and the havoc that wreaked on the South by those
Radical, Liberal Republicans.
The Republicans became the voice of fiscal conservatism by being the
party of the industrial Northeast. They eventually convinced the South
that they were more socially conservative than the Democrats and
eventually broke the "Solid South" hold the Democrats had on that region.
I don't doubt anything written in the exerpt above. It's all been
written before.
As for the "Neo-conservative" movement that is so much a backbone of the
present day Republican party, be advised that it started as a movement
in the Democratic party and most of its earliest supporters and
proponents were Jewish. Realizing that the Democrats weren't
conservative enough, they switched to the Republicans for support.
(PeteCresswell)
May 22, 2012, 7:37:25 PM5/22/12
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Per Billy:
deficit.... -)
--
Pete Cresswell
>and Germany is a very nice place to be (if you don't need too
>much sun).
OTOH, eight weeks of vacation per year might help make up any sun
>much sun).
deficit.... -)
--
Pete Cresswell
(PeteCresswell)
May 22, 2012, 7:41:06 PM5/22/12
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Per VtSkier:
--
Pete Cresswell
>> With all that manpower and money locked and loaded, why hasn't
>> anybody been able to take the legality of the president's
>> election to court and prevail?
>
>Because the president's election was legal?
Thank you....
>> anybody been able to take the legality of the president's
>> election to court and prevail?
>
>Because the president's election was legal?
--
Pete Cresswell
jon_banquer
May 22, 2012, 7:33:46 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 2:56 pm, VtSkier <VtSk...@somewhere.net> wrote:
> On 5/22/2012 5:17 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
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> On 5/22/2012 5:17 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
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> >> Gunneria Arschloch<gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
Democrats. I do see a difference with Ron Paul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q37qyfHZ1c
VtSkier
May 22, 2012, 9:27:34 PM5/22/12
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Surprise, surprise. At the moment the Republicans are more socially
conservative than Democrats. Or at least they say so in order to get
Middle-American votes. I, for one, don't think they really are
particularly socially conservative.
In spite of what has been written in this forum, Regan raised taxes.
Clinton balanced the budget. Bush gave away the farm. Obama tried to
sound like a good Keynesian new-dealer and was most relieved when
congress wouldn't let him do it.
As for your being Jewish and liking Ron Paul, some of my best friends
are libertarians. I appreciate this point of view because it's honest
and just might work. My genes don't allow me to lean in that direction
however.
I used to get the "The Mother Earth News" for its tips and tricks on
gardening and self-sufficiency. This is a pretty liberal rag, at least
socially it is. I marveled back in the 70's when a very liberal essay
was published in TMEN written by a former speechwriter for Barry
Goldwater. Clearly he was a conservative early on. The magazine had a
short interview along with the essay and questioned the writer about
this seeming inconsistency. He responded that if you go far enough
around to the right, you come out on the left. This has stuck with me
and tempers my opinion of those I don't always agree with.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 22, 2012, 10:55:59 PM5/22/12
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On 5/22/2012 7:14 AM, VtSkier wrote:
> [...]
children of military personnel stationed out of the country.
> 3) <shrug> Some people never passes Civics in eighth grade.
> [...]
Well, I 24 years old before I owned my first Honda Civic (which was my
first new car).
> [...]
> 2) There is NO requirement to have US citizens as parents UNLESS you are
> born on foreign soil, then you need two. The requirement is to be born
> on US soil OR to have two US citizens as parents.
>
Yes, it would be rather unfair (not to mention unpopular) to exclude
> born on foreign soil, then you need two. The requirement is to be born
> on US soil OR to have two US citizens as parents.
>
children of military personnel stationed out of the country.
> 3) <shrug> Some people never passes Civics in eighth grade.
Well, I 24 years old before I owned my first Honda Civic (which was my
first new car).
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 22, 2012, 10:59:06 PM5/22/12
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On 5/22/2012 12:38 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> [...] Really? Why is that? Because he is falling farther and farther
the Repugs find a way to nominate Jeb Bush at the convention.
> As a side note, most of you Leftwing Extremist Fringe Kooks wont be
> alive in November. Shrug
Planning to start shooting? The FBI may be interested in this domestic
terrorism.
> [...] Really? Why is that? Because he is falling farther and farther
> behind in the polls and you are horrified that your Great Obamassiah
> wont be in office in January?
> Deal with it.
>
Actually, "Mittens" Romney is so unpopular, I would not be surprised if
> wont be in office in January?
> Deal with it.
>
the Repugs find a way to nominate Jeb Bush at the convention.
> As a side note, most of you Leftwing Extremist Fringe Kooks wont be
> alive in November. Shrug
terrorism.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 22, 2012, 11:02:49 PM5/22/12
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embarrassed enough that the decision stated it should *not* be used as
precedent in other cases. Duh.
And it has been verified that a *full* recount in Florida in 2000 would
have had Gore winning. Duh.
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>> Or is this issue simply driven by racism and partisanship?
>> <rhetorical question>
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> Based on your statements above..Im betting you are indeed racist and
> partisan.
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> So Bubba..when is your next Klan meeting? And having been a stalwart
> supporter of the Democratic Party for the past 150 yrs...isnt it about
> time you shut the doors and turned off the lights? Your KKK is long
> overdue to be placed against a good solid wall somewhere and shot.
Sancho Panza
May 22, 2012, 11:04:26 PM5/22/12
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jon_banquer
May 22, 2012, 11:19:05 PM5/22/12
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Here is the latest proof how just how worthless the Republican party
has become:
http://reason.com/blog/2012/04/26/cispa-passes-house-with-strong-gop-suppo
Don't know if I consider myself a libertarian. I do know I've had
enough of partisan politics and complete morons like Gummer who blame
Democrats for everything. The same was true for Cliffy Huprich who was
just as stupid as Gummer and spent a lot of years being mentally dead
before he became physically dead.
The focus should be on what can be done now to save this country. My
answer is withdrawing from NAFTA and all the other "free trade"
agreements we signed under both Republican and Democratic leadership.
Ross Perot was right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls
Sancho Panza
May 22, 2012, 11:25:41 PM5/22/12
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On 5/22/2012 11:02 PM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
> The Supreme Court made a political decision. In fact, they were
> embarrassed enough that the decision stated it should *not* be used as
> precedent in other cases. Duh.
That was in the context of local officials in Florida changing the rules
> The Supreme Court made a political decision. In fact, they were
> embarrassed enough that the decision stated it should *not* be used as
> precedent in other cases. Duh.
during the recounts and the ridiculous opinion of the Florida Supreme Court.
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> And it has been verified that a *full* recount in Florida in 2000 would
> have had Gore winning. Duh.
>
Gunner Asch
May 23, 2012, 3:33:25 AM5/23/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 21:59:06 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/22/2012 12:38 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> [...] Really? Why is that? Because he is falling farther and farther
>> behind in the polls and you are horrified that your Great Obamassiah
>> wont be in office in January?
>> Deal with it.
>>
>Actually, "Mittens" Romney is so unpopular, I would not be surprised if
>the Repugs find a way to nominate Jeb Bush at the convention.
True enough. On the other hand...your boi wont be in office after
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/22/2012 12:38 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> [...] Really? Why is that? Because he is falling farther and farther
>> behind in the polls and you are horrified that your Great Obamassiah
>> wont be in office in January?
>> Deal with it.
>>
>Actually, "Mittens" Romney is so unpopular, I would not be surprised if
>the Repugs find a way to nominate Jeb Bush at the convention.
January.
>
>> As a side note, most of you Leftwing Extremist Fringe Kooks wont be
>> alive in November. Shrug
>
>Planning to start shooting? The FBI may be interested in this domestic
>terrorism.
What..you cant read? How many times do I have to state that Im simply
>> As a side note, most of you Leftwing Extremist Fringe Kooks wont be
>> alive in November. Shrug
>
>Planning to start shooting? The FBI may be interested in this domestic
>terrorism.
an observer?
Tommy Tommy Timmy....are you just another mentally ill Leftwinger?
Or simply an asshole?
No matter..you will likely be bulldozed into a mass grave sometime this
year. Shrug
Gunner
Gunner Asch
May 23, 2012, 4:00:01 AM5/23/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 21:55:59 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/22/2012 7:14 AM, VtSkier wrote:
>> [...]
>> 2) There is NO requirement to have US citizens as parents UNLESS you are
>> born on foreign soil, then you need two. The requirement is to be born
>> on US soil OR to have two US citizens as parents.
If you are born of one American parent and 1 British parent..in
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/22/2012 7:14 AM, VtSkier wrote:
>> [...]
>> 2) There is NO requirement to have US citizens as parents UNLESS you are
>> born on foreign soil, then you need two. The requirement is to be born
>> on US soil OR to have two US citizens as parents.
Kenya..you are NOT a "natural born citizen" See below for other
criteria....
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>Yes, it would be rather unfair (not to mention unpopular) to exclude
>children of military personnel stationed out of the country.
>
The Constitutional Topics pages at the USConstitution.net site are
presented to delve deeper into topics than can be provided on the
Glossary Page or in the FAQ pages. This Topic Page concerns Citizenship.
Citizenship is mentioned in Article 1, Section 2, Article 1, Section 3,
Article 1, Section 8, Article 2, Section 1, and in the 14th Amendment
and several subsequent amendments.
If you're going to be involved in government in the United States,
citizenship is a must. To be a Senator or Representative, you must be a
citizen of the United States. To be President, not only must you be a
citizen, but you must also be natural-born. Aside from participation in
government, citizenship is an honor bestowed upon people by the
citizenry of the United States when a non-citizen passes the required
tests and submits to an oath.
Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at
birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or
naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction
thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they
reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the
Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that
fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create
clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the
Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the
Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes
citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the
Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are
"citizens of the United States at birth:"
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen
of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the
tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are
citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
*** Pay attenton to this section....
"Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and
lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S.
national"
(Obamas Father was a British citizen at the time of his birth)
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived
in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot
be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by
age 21
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an
alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the
jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a
diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is
eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow
the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for
example.
Separate sections handle territories that the United States has acquired
over time, such as Puerto Rico (8 USC 1402), Alaska (8 USC 1404), Hawaii
(8 USC 1405), the U.S. Virgin Islands (8 USC 1406), and Guam (8 USC
1407). Each of these sections confer citizenship on persons living in
these territories as of a certain date, and usually confer natural-born
status on persons born in those territories after that date. For
example, for Puerto Rico, all persons born in Puerto Rico between April
11, 1899, and January 12, 1941, are automatically conferred citizenship
as of the date the law was signed by the President (June 27, 1952).
Additionally, all persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13,
1941, are natural-born citizens of the United States. Note that because
of when the law was passed, for some, the natural-born status was
retroactive.
The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the
Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama. In 8 USC 1403, the law
states that anyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or
after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United
States citizen, was "declared" to be a United States citizen. Note that
the terms "natural-born" or "citizen at birth" are missing from this
section.
In 2008, when Arizona Senator John McCain ran for president on the
Republican ticket, some theorized that because McCain was born in the
Canal Zone, he was not actually qualified to be president. However, it
should be noted that section 1403 was written to apply to a small group
of people to whom section 1401 did not apply. McCain is a natural-born
citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): "a person born outside of the United States
and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the
United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States
or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person."
Not everyone agrees that this section includes McCain — but absent a
court ruling either way, we must presume citizenship.
http://www.obamanotqualified.com/obama_is_not_a_natural_born_citizen.htm
Why Barack Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen as required by the U.S.
Constitution for be President!
Article II of the U.S. Constitution clearly states for only the Office
of President of the United States (POTUS) the requirement of "Natural
Born Citizen"
The chart below are the Legal Definitions of the types of citizens.
(see site for chart)
As you can see from the above chart, in order to be considered a
"natural born citizen" are required by the U.S. Constitution to be
President of the United States of America (POTUS), BOTH parents MUST be
U.S. Citizens, Obama's admits his Father was Kenyan and a British
subject and therefore it is clear that Obama is not and can never be
considered a "natural born citizen".
Senator John McCain is also NOT a 'natural born citizen' despite that
fact he was born to 2 U.S. citizens as he was not born in the mainland
US. John Sidney McCain III was born at the Colon Hospital, located at
Avenida Melendez and 2nd Street, Manzanillo Island, City of Colon,
Republic of Panama. The time of birth on the birth certificate issued
by Panama Railroad Company (which owned the Colon Hospital) was 5:25 PM
and the day and date of birth was Saturday, August 29, 1936. Some
consider this a 'gray area'.
Therefore THREE (3) of the candidates on the Presidential ballots were
NOT legally eligible, Obama, McCain and Roger Calero (the Nicaraguan
citizen), so new election should be made with proper assurance that the
new candidates are eligible .
Senate Resolution 511 – served to falsely approve John McCain’s POTUS
eligibility – states "Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to
American citizens (plural) on an American military base in the Panama
Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it resolved, That John Sidney
McCain, III, is a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ under Article II, Section 1,
of the Constitution of the United States."
The official statement of Senator Leahy which is part of the
congressional record to the proposed resolution states:
"Because he was born to American citizens, (plural) there is no doubt
in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen."
Federal Judge, Secretary Cherthoff stated; "My assumption and my
understanding is that if you are born of American parents, (plural) you
are naturally a natural-born American citizen."
Wikipedia even notes a 'natural born citizen' is one born of 2 citizen
parents. (plural) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
Under the British Nationality Act 1948(BNA 1948), Obama’s father was a
British citizen/subject when he was born in the English colony of Kenya.
Obama’s father continued to be such and not a U.S. citizen when Obama
was born in 1961. Under the same BNA 1948, at birth, regardless of where
he was born, Obama also became a British citizen/subject by descent from
his British father.
At Barack Hussein Obama II's web site,
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate the following
admission:
UPDATE: Above link scrubbed as Obama closes his fight the smears
website, but remains in Google cache here;
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:e8a9IzE5fSsJ:fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate+fight+the+smears&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
and quote remains with spin on Factcheck.org
FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship, well with a spin of
course.
(begin quote )"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in
Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s
dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British
subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality
Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children…"
(end quote)
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html
Factcheck.org is part of Annenberg of which Obama was on the Board of
Directors with his friend and admitted & unrepented Domestic Terrorist
Bill Ayers!
Therefore admittedly, Barack Hussein Obama II (Soetoro) admits Great
Britain governed his status.
A "NATURAL BORN" CITIZEN is one that CANNOT be "GOVERNED" by GREAT
BRITAIN or any other country.
A "natural born citizen" is a person born on U.S. Soil of parents of
which both must be U.S. Citizens and a "natural born citizen" can only
be governed by the United States.
Therefore it is quite clear that Barack Hussein Obama II / Barry
Soetoro cannot be a "natural born citizen" and has knowingly committed
fraud against the people of the United States of America in his
application for candidacy for Office of the President of the United
States of America, and lied under Oath.
Is Obama a "citizen" because his mother was an American citizen? No
one can say for certain as he refused to release his real 'long form'
birth certificate, and also the facts that he was adopted by his step
Father Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia where they did not allow
dual-citizenship. Additionally Kenya’s Constitution specifies that
Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country
automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship at age 21, unless they
formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of
allegiance to Kenya. Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's suppossed U.S. citizen
mother it order to convey citizenship on Obama would have had to have
been a resident of the United States for 10 years, at least five of
which were over the age of 14. Dunham did not meet that requirement (of
the Nationality Act of 1940, revised June 1952) until her 19th birthday
in late November of 1961, almost four months after Obama was born.
Is Obama a "native born citizen"? a child born in the United States of
foreign (non-citizen) parents. To ascertain such status, Obama needs to
release his real 'long form' birth certificate, something he refuses to
do.
The Birth Certificate or place of birth is NOT a main issue based on
the above Facts, and admission by BHO, he is clearly not eligible to be
POTUS, no conspiracy theory it is FACT!
Simply put, being born of a Foreign Parent even if BHO were to have
been born in The Capitol Building during a Joint Session of Congress on
a 4th of July he'd still NEVER have any possibility of being a "natural
born citizen" as required by the U.S. Constitution.
However, the Birth Certificate and other issues are evidence of
additional fraud and criminal activity and more reasons of BHO's
ineligibility.
"U.S. Policy on Dual Nationality: While recognizing the existence of
dual nationality, the U.S. Government does not encourage it as a matter
of policy because of the problems it may cause. Dual nationality may
hamper efforts by the U.S. Government to provide diplomatic and consular
protection to individuals overseas. When a U.S. citizen is in the other
country of their dual nationality, that country has a predominant claim
on the person. A foreign country might claim you as a citizen of that
country if (a) you were born there; (b) your parent or parents (and
sometimes grandparents) are or were citizens of that country or (c) you
are a naturalized U.S. citizen but are still considered a citizen under
that country's laws. (The oath you take when you are naturalized as a
U.S. citizen (8 CFR 337.1) doesn't mean the foreign country does not
still regard you as a citizen of that country.)"
And at FAM 082 it states:
"Current U.S. nationality laws do not explicitly address dual
nationality, but the U.S. Supreme Court has stated that dual nationality
is a 'status long recognized in the law' and that 'a person may have and
exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the
responsibilities of both.' See Kawakita v. United States, 343 U.S. 717
(1952).
http://www.obamanotqualified.com/obama_is_not_a_natural_born_citizen_defined.htm
Natural Born Citizen Defined
WHY did our Forefathers specify "Natural Born Citizen"?
The small but very important requirement in the U.S. Constitution,
which requires that a U.S. President be ‘natural born’ on U.S. soil is
also one of the "wisest requirements" and our forefathers put it in
there for very good reason~ with foresight to prevent those with foreign
interests and loyalties from corrupting our government.
The Founders required the President to be a "Natural Born Citizen" to
help ensure that the ONE person sitting at the top of the Executive
branch had unquestionable and unwavering loyalty to the United States of
America, first and foremost.
The term natural born citizen was first codified in the legal reference
book "Law of Nations" in 1758, of which was used by John Jay who later
became the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. John Jay
considered the outstanding legal scholar of his time had the "natural
born citizen" clause inserted into the U.S. Constitution via a letter he
wrote to George Washington, the leader of the Constitutional Convention.
In the official copies of the THIRD U.S. Congress (1795) margin notes
state "Former act repealed. 1790. ch. 3." referencing the FIRST U.S.
Congress (1790).
The actual text of the THIRD CONGRESS in 1795 states, "...children of
citizens [plural = both parents] of the United States...shall be
considered citizens of the United States; Provided That the right of
citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been
resident in the United States..." (THIRD CONGRESS Session II. Ch.21.
1795, Approved January 29, 1795, pp. 414-415. Document margin note: "How
children shall obtain citizenship through their parents" Document margin
note: "Former Act repealed 1790 ch.3.")
The actual text of the FIRST CONGRESS in 1790 states,
"...children of citizens (plural = both parents) of the United
States...shall be considered as natural born citizens of the United
States; Provided That the right of citizenship shall not descend to
persons, whose fathers have never been resident in the United States..."
(FIRST CONGRESS Session II Ch.4 1790, Approved March 26, 1790, pp.
103-104. Document margin note: "Their children residing here, deemed
citizens." Document margin note: "Also, children of citizens born beyond
sea, & c. Exceptions.") Click here for U.S. State Department 103 page
PDF file regarding citizenship
The actual text of the Constitution from the Continental Congress and
the Constitutional Convention, 1774-1789, and subsequent official
printings, of the Constitution of the United States of American: Article
II Section 1 Clause 5 states,
"No person, except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United
States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be
eligible to the office of President…"
From the "Law of Nations": "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are
those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society
can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of
the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their
fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to
desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and
it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering
into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of
it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN." Now
apply that to Obama's Father being a Kenyan.
John Jay wrote: "Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and
reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into
the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly
that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to
nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen."
Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the 14th Amendment,
confirms that understanding and the construction the framers used in
regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of
citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:
" ... I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is
simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every
human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents
(plural, meaning two) not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty
is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born
citizen..."
Bingham is also quoted saying in the Spring of 1868 some serious
warnings:
"May God forbid that the future historian shall record of this day's
proceedings, that by reason of the failure of the legislative power of
the people to triumph over the usurpations of an apostate President, the
fabric of American empire fell and perished from the earth!...I ask you
to consider that we stand this day pleading for the violated majesty of
the law, by the graves of half a million of martyred hero-patriots who
made death beautiful by the sacrifice of themselves for their country,
the Constitution and the laws, and who, by their sublime example, have
taught us all to obey the law; that none are above the law..."
Adolf Hitler, as example, was not a 'natural born' German born
citizen. He was actually born in Austria. Having been to both those
countries, I can personally attest to the great difference between
Germans and Austrians. There are still many people who believe that had
there been a similar requirement or law in Germany to our Constitution
requirement for President (or Chancellor or leader) to be born on the
land of the country, that WWII would not have occurred as it did and
countless millions would not have died. Hitler completely ruined not
only Europe, but especially Germany. He pushed it’s people and their
Military forces to the brink of destruction, even when everyone
(including himself) knew that there could be absolutely no victory for
Germany. Why? Well, many feel it was because he was not a German in
truth, He was an Austrian, and therefore he did ultimately not care
about the German people or about Germany and all of her treasures,
cities, etc.... although Hitler had an 84% approval rating with the
public, due to the devastating Economic situation and his charismatic
oratorical skills, the National Socialists did not have an overwhelming
majority in the Reichstag. They simply were the largest party at the
time in the German Parliament. Therefore, no other party was able to
oppose their legislative pull…, and in a similar situation we’d also not
be protected…
Many question BHO’s allegiances and patriotism, by his; refusal to wear
the U.S. Flag lapel pin, refusal to salute the American Flag during the
Anthem, canceling a scheduled Anthem at at least 1 of his events, and
spending a lot of $ to repaint his campaign aircraft to remove the U.S.
Flag from the tail fin, and canceling a scheduled visit to our injured
troops in Germany… So in this case there is good cause and reason to
ensure the intended purpose of the Constitutional requirement is upheld.
BHO visited Kenya as a Senator and endorsed the socialist party
candidate (Odinga, his cousin) in their national Presidential elections.
He did this because Odinga was/is his friend and fellow Luo tribesman
(and cousin), of the same tribe BHO and his father were members of, and
the existing Kenyan administration fired his father, Obama Sr. That is
precisely why we need the President to be a real "natural born citizen",
without divided loyalties, hidden agendas and conflicts of interest.
Also worth mention is that hundreds of citizens were killed by Obama's
cousin Odinga's men when Odinga lost the the election.
Obama is a citizen because of the 14th Amendment, right? NO that is a
MYTH;
The 14th Amendment; it does not address the "natural born citizen"
issue, only citizenship. The 14th Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the
United States Constitution was proposed on June 13, 1866, and ratified
on July 9, 1868, and was first intended to secure the rights of former
slaves and it is one of the post-Civil War Reconstruction Amendments.
The 14th amendment provides a broader definition of citizenship,
overruling Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857) which had excluded slaves and
their descendants from possessing Constitutional rights.
"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce
any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of
the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life,
liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person
within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Case Law regarding "Natural Born Citizen";
Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168
'At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the
constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born
in a country, of parents (plural) who were its citizens (plural), became
themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or
natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some
authorities go further, and include as citizens children born within the
jurisdiction, without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As
to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For
the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts.
It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all
children, born of citizen parents (plural), within the jurisdiction, are
themselves citizens.' "Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168.
U. S. v Wong Kim Ark (1898) , the court thoroughly discussed "natural
born citizen," and Justice Gray quoted from Minor v. Happersett
The cases importance is that it is the first case decided by the Supreme
Court that attempts to explain the meaning of "natural born citizen"
under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution. Natural
born citizen is similar to the meaning of what a natural born subject is
under Common Law in England and why the framers specifically included a
grandfather clause (natural born Citizen OR a Citizen of the United
States, at the time of adoption of this Constitution) as the founding
fathers needed to grandfather clause themselves in, in order to be
president because they were British subjects. The holding in U.S. v.
Wong Kim Ark states that Wong Kim Ark is a native born citizen and NOT
natural born. If you look at the fact of Wong Kim Ark being born in San
Francisco, CA, of foreign (Chinese) parents, therefore was not 'natural
born'.
Perkins v. Elg's (1939) importance is that it actually gives examples
of what a "natural born citizen" of the U.S. is; what a "citizen" of the
U.S. is; and what a "native born citizen" of the U. S.
In this case, the U. S. Supreme Court decided the same as in prior case
law that a "natural born citizen" is a person who is born of two U.S.
citizen parents (plural) AND born in the mainland of U.S.
Citizen: On cross appeals, the Court of Appeals affirmed the decree,
69 App.D.C. 175, 99 F.2d 408. Certiorari was granted, December 5, 1938,
305 U.S. 591, 59 S.Ct. 245, 83 L.Ed. --. First.-- On her birth in New
York, the plaintiff became a citizen of the United States. Civil Rights
Act of 1866: Ms. Elg was found to be a "citizen" because she was born in
the mainland USA (New York)
Native Born citizen: This principle was clearly stated by Attorney
General Edwards Pierrepont in his letter of advice to the Secretary of
State Hamilton Fish, in Steinkauler's Case, 1875, 15 Op.Atty.Gen. 15.
Steinkauler, a Prussian subject by birth, who emigrated to the United
States in 1848 and was naturalized in 1854, and had a son who was born
in St. Louis the following year. 4 years later Steinkauler returned to
Germany taking this child and became domiciled at Weisbaden where they
continuously resided. When the son reached 20 years of age the German
Government called upon him to report for military duty but his father
then requested intervention of the American Legation on the grounds that
his son was a "native citizen of the United States". On reviewing the
pertinent points in the case, including the Naturalization Treaty of
1868 with North Germany, 15 Stat. 615, the Attorney General reached the
following conclusion: 'Young Steinkauler is a native-born American
citizen. Mr. Steinkauler was found to be a "native born citizen" because
he was born in the mainland USA (St. Louis)
Natural Born Citizen: U. S. Supreme Court's Relevant Facts: Miss Elg
was born in Brooklyn, New York, on October 2, 1907. Her parents, who
were natives of Sweden, emigrated to the United States sometime prior to
1906 and her father was naturalized here in that year. In 1911, her
mother took her to Sweden where she continued to reside until September
7, 1929. Her father went to Sweden in 1922 and has not since returned to
the United States. In November, 1934, he made a statement before an
American consul in Sweden that he had voluntarily expatriated himself
for the reason that he did not desire to retain the status of an
American citizen and wished to preserve his allegiance to Sweden.
[Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325, 327 (1939).]
U. S. Supreme Court's Holding: The court below, properly recognizing
the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants (Aetna Life
Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227, 57 S.Ct. 461, 81 L.Ed. 617, 108
A.L.R. 1000) declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the
United States' (99 F.2d 414) and we think that the decree should include
the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. [Perkins v. Elg,
307 U.S. 325, 350 (1939).]
Rationale of the logic is as follows: The U. S. Supreme Court in 1939
held that Elg was a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN because she was born in
Brooklyn, New York on October 2, 1907, her father was naturalized as a
U.S. citizen in 1906 under the Naturalization Act of 1906, and her
mother derived her US citizenship in 1907 under the Expatriation Act of
1907 (federal statute) as proof, and being that, Elg was born prior to
the 19th Amendment, ratified on August 18, 1920, her status was still
tied to that of her husband.
Ms. Elg was found to be a "natural born citizen" because she was born in
the mainland USA (New York) of TWO US citizen parents. (plural)
This all clearly shows: That a person can be a "citizen" under the
following circumstances:
1) Person was born of one citizen parent (Obama), or
2) Person was born in the US mainland ("anchor babies"), or
3) Person was naturalized (like Arnold Schwarzenegger, who most know is
not eligible for President).
To be a "natural born citizen" the person MUST be born in the US
mainland of two US citizen parents. (plural)
Obama is at best a citizen, but NOT a 'natural born citizen' even IF he
was born in the State of Hawaii because he had only ONE U.S. citizen
parent. (singular)
http://www.obamanotqualified.com/obama_birth_certificate_document_issues.htm
DOCUMENT ISSUES:
Factcheck.org refers to this jpeg image with NO seal and blocked out
number to be the Obama birth certificate.
http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Obama%20Birth%20Certificate/BO%20Birth%20Certificate.jpg
Factcheck.org is part of Annenberg of which Obama was on the Board of
Directors with his friend and admitted & unrepented Domestic Terrorist
Bill Ayers!
About the Birth Document posted on BHO's website, and Proof why even if
it were legitimate, that it is NOT proof of U.S. Citizenship.
The jpeg image of a birth record on BHO's website and Factcheck.org has
been altered and is proven by experts to be a forgery.
Link to evidence:
INFO VIDEO EXPLANATION >>> About the 'record of live birth' posted by
Obama on his web site.
Below is a link to more info than you would probably ever want to read
about the forgery is at;
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/11/22/obamas_born_conspiracy_obamas_bogus_birth_certificate_exposed!.thtml
Even IF the document were valid, that document is a "CertificaTION of
Live Birth" and is NOT a "CertifiCATE of Live Birth" and therefore is
NOT proof of U.S. Citizenship as one may mistakenly think, as Hawaii
issued those Live Birth documents even to FOREIGN BORN Hawaiian
residents with no proof required and only the statement of one parent
was needed. In fact the State of Hawaii does NOT accept that type of
document for their State's own Homestead Program! A Certificate is the
ORIGINAL Long Form document that lists the Doctor's Names, Hospital, and
other important information. Proof below;
Please note that a Hawaiian CertificATION of live birth is NOT a birth
CertificATE and is NOT proof of U.S. birth., read;
(begin quote)
A.) From Hawaii's official Department of Health, Vital Records
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html
"Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the
Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii
who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health
or 2) a person born in a foreign country" (applies to adopted children).
B.) A parent may register an in-state birth in lieu of certification by
a hospital of birth under HRS 338-5.
C.) Hawaiian law expressly provides for registration of out-of-state
births under HRS 338-17.8. A foreign birth presumably would have been
recorded by the American consular of the country of birth, and
presumably that would be reflected on the Hawaiian birth certificate.
D.) Even the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a certified
copy of a birth certificate as conclusive evidence for its homestead
program. From its http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is
found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either
black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the
Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting
the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money
since the computer-generated Certification requires additional
verification by DHHL
(end quote)
Click image on left to see sample of a Real 'Long Form"
Hawaiian Birth CertifiCATE
Myth; "The State of Hawaii stated that Obama was born there."
Actually that is not true, read what was actually stated; on October
31, 2008 the Hawaii Department of Health's Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino
statement was carefully worded as she said “personally seen and verified
that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original
birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and
procedures.”
That statement failed to answer the main questions,
UPDATE: on 6/6/2009 the Stare Bulletin in HI stated "you can't obtain a
"certificate of live birth" anymore. The state Department of Health no
longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the
past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. The department only issues
"certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth
certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said. And, it's only
available in electronic form.Okubo explained that the Health Department
went paperless in 2001."At that time, all information for births from
1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she
said.Information about births is transferred electronically from
hospitals to the department."The electronic record of the birth is what
(the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day
certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said."
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
UPDATE: > 7/24/2009 CNN's President Jon Klein was quoted as saying that
he asked CNN researchers to dig into the question of why Obama couldn't
produce the original birth certificate. The researchers contacted the
Hawaii Health Dept. and confirmed that paper documents were discarded in
2001 when the department went paperless. That reportedly includes
Obama's original birth certificate.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/jon_klein_on_birthers_it_seems_this_story_is_dead_122546.asp
UPDATE: > I found a post click here, that has emails from Hawaii
Records dated Juner 27, 2009, stating that they do keep the original
documents still on file, but require a Judges signature to release.
So it seems the Obama Administration is now trying to cover up the fact
or mislead people in to thinking that that Hawaii does have the original
documents on file. However, Hawaii now states that they will not release
originals without an order from a Judge. Hopefully Judge Carter will
soon issue a subpoena for the documents for the Keyes v. Obama case.
The 5 things the Hawaiian Heath Director Fukino's statement did not
answer are;
1) was Obama physically born in Hawaii? because it seems deliberate that
this was not answered, and Hawaii allowed registration of FOREIGN
births! Really! Need some proof? OK. look at this;
Click thumbnail image on left for larger image
That is the Hawaiian Birth Certificate for Sun Yat Sen the Father of
Modern Communist China! IT IS REAL! Dated March 14, 1904, was issued
after Dr. Sun signed a raggedy type-written statement affirming that he
was born in Hawaii on Nov. 24, 1870. Sun Yat-sen was born on November
12, 1866, to a peasant family in the village of Cuiheng, Xiangshan
county , Guangzhou prefecture, Guangdong province (26 km or 16 miles
north of Macau), not Hawaii, as this document affirms. I was also
published that Maya Soetoro, Obama’s sister has a Hawaiian Certification
of Live Birth too, and she was born in Jakarta, Indonesia. You can be
born anywhere and get a HI COLB.
2) What kind of form is on file there? as if it is a COLB and not a long
form birth record then it is a record of a Foreign birth!
3) What hospital was Obama born in? you'd think ObamaManiacs would want
to know too, to erect a monument there, wouldn't that be considered a
Historic place? Oddly even the White House will not say which hospital
and Kapiolani that stated they had a letter from Obama stating he was
born there, but recently removed the letter and scrubbed their site, but
they did publish it in their printed newsletter.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103503
and disreputable Snopes also scrambled to change their site and made no
mention of edit or reason for edit...
Click Thumbnail on left for larger image
UPDATE: Kapiolani Hospital now states the letter is real after they
pulled it! However the Obama Administration still refuses to answer the
question. Snopes who changed the birth hospital once on their site may
now want to change it again...
4) Who was the doctor? wouldn't he be a main figure in part of such a
Historical event?
5) Who was listed as the Father? as it is rumored that Family friend and
known communist activist Frank Marshal Davis is suspected to be the
Father.
The statement made by the Hawaiian Official failed to answer those
questions and failed to resolve any of the questions being raised by
litigation and millions of people across the country over the issue of
Obama’s birth and qualifications for the office of the President of the
United States.
Selective Service Registration,
There is also evidence that BHO's Selective Service Registration Form
is also a forgery. Failure to register would prove further ineligibility
for any job in the Executive Branch of Government and BHO would not even
be eligible for a job a the Post Office!
http://orlytaitzesq.com/drorlytaitzesq/documentation/SSSGov.doc
http://www.obamanotqualified.com/obama_birth_born_in_kenya_evidence.htm
http://www.obamanotqualified.com/obama_other_citizenship_eligibility_issues.htm
etc etc etc
Gunner
Gunner Asch
May 23, 2012, 4:13:26 AM5/23/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 22:02:49 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>> Odd that the Supreme Court of the United States didnt share your bleef
>> about "fraudulantly"..nor has any of the recounts.
>> Im curious..are you simply playing..or are you actually this stupid and
>> mental?
>>
>The Supreme Court made a political decision. In fact, they were
>embarrassed enough that the decision stated it should *not* be used as
>precedent in other cases. Duh.
>
>And it has been verified that a *full* recount in Florida in 2000 would
>have had Gore winning. Duh.
Pity you are such a lying bastard. Well..its not a pity..its expected
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>> Odd that the Supreme Court of the United States didnt share your bleef
>> about "fraudulantly"..nor has any of the recounts.
>> Im curious..are you simply playing..or are you actually this stupid and
>> mental?
>>
>The Supreme Court made a political decision. In fact, they were
>embarrassed enough that the decision stated it should *not* be used as
>precedent in other cases. Duh.
>
>And it has been verified that a *full* recount in Florida in 2000 would
>have had Gore winning. Duh.
from you.
See at bottom of this post:
>
>>>
>>> Or is this issue simply driven by racism and partisanship?
>>> <rhetorical question>
>>
>> Based on your statements above..Im betting you are indeed racist and
>> partisan.
>>
>Idiot.
That too.
>>>
>>> Or is this issue simply driven by racism and partisanship?
>>> <rhetorical question>
>>
>> Based on your statements above..Im betting you are indeed racist and
>> partisan.
>>
>Idiot.
>
>> So Bubba..when is your next Klan meeting? And having been a stalwart
>> supporter of the Democratic Party for the past 150 yrs...isnt it about
>> time you shut the doors and turned off the lights? Your KKK is long
>> overdue to be placed against a good solid wall somewhere and shot.
>
>Calling me a Democrat is libel. I am a registered Green.
So we have a Green Klanner. Im sure the KKK would be embaressed to find
>> So Bubba..when is your next Klan meeting? And having been a stalwart
>> supporter of the Democratic Party for the past 150 yrs...isnt it about
>> time you shut the doors and turned off the lights? Your KKK is long
>> overdue to be placed against a good solid wall somewhere and shot.
>
>Calling me a Democrat is libel. I am a registered Green.
this out.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2008/05/25/reminder-bush-won-florida-recounts-conducted-media
Reminder: Bush Won in Florida Recounts Conducted by the Media
By Brent Baker | May 25, 2008 | 19:56
With HBO's 'Recount' movie (airing Sunday and Monday night at 9 PM
EDT/PDT) sure to rekindle claims that Al Gore would have won if only the
U.S. Supreme Court had not “stopped the counting,” a reminder that both
recounts conducted by major media outlets in 2001 determined George W.
Bush would have won anyway. Two stars of the film have fueled the
re-writing of history with actor Kevin Spacey, who plays Gore operative
Ron Klain, charging that “the Bush people were trying to stop votes from
being counted and the Gore people were just trying to get votes counted”
while Laura Dern, who plays Katherine Harris, recalled that the U.S.
Supreme Court ruling left her “devastated because there were uncounted
votes.”
The lead of an April 4, 2001 USA Today story headlined, “Newspapers'
recount shows Bush prevailed,” by reporter Dennis Cauchon:
George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed ballots
if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the first full study
of the ballots reveals. Bush would have won by 1,665 votes -- more than
triple his official 537-vote margin -- if every dimple, hanging chad and
mark on the ballots had been counted as votes, a USA TODAY/Miami
Herald/Knight Ridder study shows. The study is the first comprehensive
review of the 61,195 "undervote" ballots that were at the center of
Florida's disputed presidential election....
That look was followed in November by an analysis by a consortium of
media outlets, including the New York Times, Washington Post, Los
Angeles Times, CNN and AP. It determined that George W. Bush still would
have won under either legally possible recount scenario which could have
occurred: The Florida Supreme Court ordered recount of undervotes
statewide or Gore’s request for a recount in certain counties. The New
York Times led its November 12, 2001 front page article, “Study of
Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote,”
by reporters Ford Fessenden and John M. Broder:
A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's
presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if
the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount
of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.
Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have
charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to
Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close
examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a
slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount
more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States
Supreme Court.
Even under the strategy that Mr. Gore pursued at the beginning of the
Florida standoff -- filing suit to force hand recounts in four
predominantly Democratic counties -- Mr. Bush would have kept his lead,
according to the ballot review conducted for a consortium of news
organizations....
In summarizing the consortium’s findings, however, the November 13, 2001
MRC CyberAlert recounted CBS Evening News anchor Dan Rather gave equal
weight to a scenario which never could have occurred, a statewide
recount of all overvotes in which the intent of the voter would have
been intuited, as to how Bush would still have won in the only legally
possible scenario, a recount of undervotes:
In the second half of the hour-long CBS Evening News on Monday night
[November 12], Rather announced:
A consortium of news organizations today released their joint findings
on the disputed Bush/Gore presidential election results from Florida.
They suggest the limited hand re-count of votes requested by Democrat Al
Gore would still have given Florida and the presidency to George W.
Bush. But this study also found that if there had been a re-count of all
disqualified ballots statewide it might have produced a narrow Gore
victory.
As Monday’s New York Times headline clearly stated, "Study of Disputed
Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote," but
Rather failed to correct his earlier reporting. At the top of the CBS
Evening News back on the December 13, 2000, Rather had declared:
Good evening. Texas Governor George Bush tonight will assume the mantle
and the honor of President-elect. This comes 24 hours after a sharply
split and, some say, politically and ideologically motivated U.S.
Supreme Court ended Vice President Gore’s contest of the Florida
election and, in effect, handed the presidency to Bush.
Neither ABC’s World News Tonight nor the NBC Nightly News, both of which
remained the usual half-hour on a busy news day on Monday, mentioned the
latest media effort at a Florida re-count.
About the Author
Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media
Research Center.
15 unofficial recounts showed in EVERY CASE..Bush won.
Yet you spew buffoonery. Frankly..you lied.
Ill take that into consideration with any further reading of your posts.
Consideration that you are now a proven liar.
Bummer dude!
Gunner
(PeteCresswell)
May 23, 2012, 8:45:37 AM5/23/12
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Per Sancho Panza:
virtually unlimited financial resources who strongly desire to
unseat the current administration believe that such papers exist
and would be shown tb valid in court. Otherwise, they would have
begun legal proceedings long ago.
--
Pete Cresswell
>> With all that manpower and money locked and loaded, why hasn't
>>> anybody been able to take the legality of the president's
>>> election to court and prevail?
>>
>> Because the president's election was legal?
>>
>And you have the papers to prove that.
I think the point is that all those powerful people with
>>> anybody been able to take the legality of the president's
>>> election to court and prevail?
>>
>> Because the president's election was legal?
>>
>And you have the papers to prove that.
virtually unlimited financial resources who strongly desire to
unseat the current administration believe that such papers exist
and would be shown tb valid in court. Otherwise, they would have
begun legal proceedings long ago.
--
Pete Cresswell
Billy
May 23, 2012, 3:07:57 PM5/23/12
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In article <4fbc53bc$0$23239$607e...@cv.net>,
Hellooo. This is/was America, and I believe you are still considered
innocent until proven guilty,
unless decided otherwise by the Executive branch of the government. Who
may give you "due process", but not "judicial process".
innocent until proven guilty,
unless decided otherwise by the Executive branch of the government. Who
may give you "due process", but not "judicial process".
Billy
May 23, 2012, 3:44:19 PM5/23/12
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In article <ik6pr7dev07mbvhqp...@4ax.com>,
Gunneria Arschloch <gunneria...@gmail.com> wrote:
An unbiased look at the 2000 election can be found at
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount>
, but a more damning report about Florida Governor Jeb Bush and Florida
Secretary of State Katherine Harris using their influence to purge and
discount the ballots of predominantly Gore-supporting black voters
through the ³fake felons list² compiled by private company
DBT/ChoicePoint for US$4 million, can be found at
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChoicePoint#Florida_voter_file_contract>
I chose Wikipedia as my source, because it is, more or less,
nonpartisan, unlike the source that Gunny gave "Media Research Center -
Exposing & Combatting Liberal Media Bias". You have to wonder what what
liberal media they are referring to when 90% of the Media is corporates
owned.
<http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php>
I realize that it demeans my believability to mock Gunny, but he gives
no respect, so he shall receive no respect from me.
Below is vintage Gunneria.
> Gunneria
Gunneria Arschloch <gunneria...@gmail.com> wrote:
An unbiased look at the 2000 election can be found at
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount>
, but a more damning report about Florida Governor Jeb Bush and Florida
Secretary of State Katherine Harris using their influence to purge and
discount the ballots of predominantly Gore-supporting black voters
through the ³fake felons list² compiled by private company
DBT/ChoicePoint for US$4 million, can be found at
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChoicePoint#Florida_voter_file_contract>
I chose Wikipedia as my source, because it is, more or less,
nonpartisan, unlike the source that Gunny gave "Media Research Center -
Exposing & Combatting Liberal Media Bias". You have to wonder what what
liberal media they are referring to when 90% of the Media is corporates
owned.
<http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php>
I realize that it demeans my believability to mock Gunny, but he gives
no respect, so he shall receive no respect from me.
Below is vintage Gunneria.
Billy
May 23, 2012, 3:51:41 PM5/23/12
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In article <jphjpt$mt9$1...@dont-email.me>,
Gunny is a modest man with much to be modest about.
Ein echte Hurensohn.
> On 5/22/2012 12:38 PM, Gunneria Arschloch wrote:
> > [...] Really? Why is that? Because he is falling farther and farther
> > behind in the polls and you are horrified that your Great Obamassiah
> > wont be in office in January?
> > Deal with it.
> >
> Actually, "Mittens" Romney is so unpopular, I would not be surprised if
> the Repugs find a way to nominate Jeb Bush at the convention.
>
> > As a side note, most of you Leftwing Extremist Fringe Kooks wont be
> > alive in November. Shrug
>
> Planning to start shooting? The FBI may be interested in this domestic
> terrorism.
Gunny likes to try to intimidate people with his "Brown Shirt" routine.
> > [...] Really? Why is that? Because he is falling farther and farther
> > behind in the polls and you are horrified that your Great Obamassiah
> > wont be in office in January?
> > Deal with it.
> >
> Actually, "Mittens" Romney is so unpopular, I would not be surprised if
> the Repugs find a way to nominate Jeb Bush at the convention.
>
> > As a side note, most of you Leftwing Extremist Fringe Kooks wont be
> > alive in November. Shrug
>
> Planning to start shooting? The FBI may be interested in this domestic
> terrorism.
Gunny is a modest man with much to be modest about.
Ein echte Hurensohn.
Billy
May 23, 2012, 4:00:39 PM5/23/12
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In article <3a5pr79qtn8nnm6fq...@4ax.com>,
Gunneria Arschloch <gunneria...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thing is, you could spend a life time refuting Gunny's "cut and paste"
allegations. I think it is just as instructive to go to his sources, and
see for yourself just how totally skewed they are.
Go Greens!
> * There is an exception in the law ó the person must be "subject to the
> Not everyone agrees that this section includes McCain ó but absent a
> Senate Resolution 511 ñ served to falsely approve John McCainís POTUS
> eligibility ñ states "Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to
> (end quote)
> http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenshi
> which requires that a U.S. President be ënatural borní on U.S. soil is
> eligible to the office of PresidentÖ"
> only Europe, but especially Germany. He pushed itís people and their
> be protectedÖ
>
> Many question BHOís allegiances and patriotism, by his; refusal to wear
> statement was carefully worded as she said ìpersonally seen and verified
> that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obamaís original
> published that Maya Soetoro, Obamaís sister has a Hawaiian Certification
> Obamaís birth and qualifications for the office of the President of the
Gunneria Arschloch <gunneria...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thing is, you could spend a life time refuting Gunny's "cut and paste"
allegations. I think it is just as instructive to go to his sources, and
see for yourself just how totally skewed they are.
Go Greens!
> eligibility ñ states "Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to
> American citizens (plural) on an American military base in the Panama
> Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it resolved, That John Sidney
> McCain, III, is a ëënatural born Citizeníí under Article II, Section 1,
> Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it resolved, That John Sidney
> of the Constitution of the United States."
> The official statement of Senator Leahy which is part of the
> congressional record to the proposed resolution states:
> "Because he was born to American citizens, (plural) there is no doubt
> in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen."
> Federal Judge, Secretary Cherthoff stated; "My assumption and my
> understanding is that if you are born of American parents, (plural) you
> are naturally a natural-born American citizen."
>
> Wikipedia even notes a 'natural born citizen' is one born of 2 citizen
> parents. (plural) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
>
> Under the British Nationality Act 1948(BNA 1948), Obamaís father was a
> The official statement of Senator Leahy which is part of the
> congressional record to the proposed resolution states:
> "Because he was born to American citizens, (plural) there is no doubt
> in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen."
> Federal Judge, Secretary Cherthoff stated; "My assumption and my
> understanding is that if you are born of American parents, (plural) you
> are naturally a natural-born American citizen."
>
> Wikipedia even notes a 'natural born citizen' is one born of 2 citizen
> parents. (plural) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
>
> British citizen/subject when he was born in the English colony of Kenya.
> Obamaís father continued to be such and not a U.S. citizen when Obama
> was born in 1961. Under the same BNA 1948, at birth, regardless of where
> he was born, Obama also became a British citizen/subject by descent from
> his British father.
>
> At Barack Hussein Obama II's web site,
> http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate the following
> admission:
> UPDATE: Above link scrubbed as Obama closes his fight the smears
> website, but remains in Google cache here;
> http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:e8a9IzE5fSsJ:fightthesmears.com/articles/5
> /birthcertificate+fight+the+smears&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
> and quote remains with spin on Factcheck.org
>
> FactCheck.org Clarifies Barackís Citizenship, well with a spin of
> he was born, Obama also became a British citizen/subject by descent from
> his British father.
>
> At Barack Hussein Obama II's web site,
> http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate the following
> admission:
> UPDATE: Above link scrubbed as Obama closes his fight the smears
> website, but remains in Google cache here;
> http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:e8a9IzE5fSsJ:fightthesmears.com/articles/5
> /birthcertificate+fight+the+smears&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
> and quote remains with spin on Factcheck.org
>
> course.
> (begin quote )"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in
> Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdomís
> (begin quote )"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in
> dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British
> subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality
> Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.ës childrenÖ"
> subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality
> (end quote)
> http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenshi
> p.html
> Factcheck.org is part of Annenberg of which Obama was on the Board of
> Directors with his friend and admitted & unrepented Domestic Terrorist
> Bill Ayers!
>
> Therefore admittedly, Barack Hussein Obama II (Soetoro) admits Great
> Britain governed his status.
> A "NATURAL BORN" CITIZEN is one that CANNOT be "GOVERNED" by GREAT
> BRITAIN or any other country.
> A "natural born citizen" is a person born on U.S. Soil of parents of
> which both must be U.S. Citizens and a "natural born citizen" can only
> be governed by the United States.
>
> Therefore it is quite clear that Barack Hussein Obama II / Barry
> Soetoro cannot be a "natural born citizen" and has knowingly committed
> fraud against the people of the United States of America in his
> application for candidacy for Office of the President of the United
> States of America, and lied under Oath.
>
> Is Obama a "citizen" because his mother was an American citizen? No
> one can say for certain as he refused to release his real 'long form'
> birth certificate, and also the facts that he was adopted by his step
> Father Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia where they did not allow
> dual-citizenship. Additionally Kenyaís Constitution specifies that
> Factcheck.org is part of Annenberg of which Obama was on the Board of
> Directors with his friend and admitted & unrepented Domestic Terrorist
> Bill Ayers!
>
> Therefore admittedly, Barack Hussein Obama II (Soetoro) admits Great
> Britain governed his status.
> A "NATURAL BORN" CITIZEN is one that CANNOT be "GOVERNED" by GREAT
> BRITAIN or any other country.
> A "natural born citizen" is a person born on U.S. Soil of parents of
> which both must be U.S. Citizens and a "natural born citizen" can only
> be governed by the United States.
>
> Therefore it is quite clear that Barack Hussein Obama II / Barry
> Soetoro cannot be a "natural born citizen" and has knowingly committed
> fraud against the people of the United States of America in his
> application for candidacy for Office of the President of the United
> States of America, and lied under Oath.
>
> Is Obama a "citizen" because his mother was an American citizen? No
> one can say for certain as he refused to release his real 'long form'
> birth certificate, and also the facts that he was adopted by his step
> Father Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia where they did not allow
> Military forces to the brink of destruction, even when everyone
> (including himself) knew that there could be absolutely no victory for
> Germany. Why? Well, many feel it was because he was not a German in
> truth, He was an Austrian, and therefore he did ultimately not care
> about the German people or about Germany and all of her treasures,
> cities, etc.... although Hitler had an 84% approval rating with the
> public, due to the devastating Economic situation and his charismatic
> oratorical skills, the National Socialists did not have an overwhelming
> majority in the Reichstag. They simply were the largest party at the
> time in the German Parliament. Therefore, no other party was able to
> oppose their legislative pullÖ, and in a similar situation weíd also not
> (including himself) knew that there could be absolutely no victory for
> Germany. Why? Well, many feel it was because he was not a German in
> truth, He was an Austrian, and therefore he did ultimately not care
> about the German people or about Germany and all of her treasures,
> cities, etc.... although Hitler had an 84% approval rating with the
> public, due to the devastating Economic situation and his charismatic
> oratorical skills, the National Socialists did not have an overwhelming
> majority in the Reichstag. They simply were the largest party at the
> time in the German Parliament. Therefore, no other party was able to
> be protectedÖ
>
> Many question BHOís allegiances and patriotism, by his; refusal to wear
> the U.S. Flag lapel pin, refusal to salute the American Flag during the
> Anthem, canceling a scheduled Anthem at at least 1 of his events, and
> spending a lot of $ to repaint his campaign aircraft to remove the U.S.
> Flag from the tail fin, and canceling a scheduled visit to our injured
> troops in GermanyÖ So in this case there is good cause and reason to
> Anthem, canceling a scheduled Anthem at at least 1 of his events, and
> spending a lot of $ to repaint his campaign aircraft to remove the U.S.
> Flag from the tail fin, and canceling a scheduled visit to our injured
> that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obamaís original
> birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and
> procedures.î
> United States.
>
> Selective Service Registration,
> There is also evidence that BHO's Selective Service Registration Form
> is also a forgery. Failure to register would prove further ineligibility
> for any job in the Executive Branch of Government and BHO would not even
> be eligible for a job a the Post Office!
> http://orlytaitzesq.com/drorlytaitzesq/documentation/SSSGov.doc
>
> http://www.obamanotqualified.com/obama_birth_born_in_kenya_evidence.htm
>
> http://www.obamanotqualified.com/obama_other_citizenship_eligibility_issues.ht
> m
>
> etc etc etc
>
> Gunneria
>
> Selective Service Registration,
> There is also evidence that BHO's Selective Service Registration Form
> is also a forgery. Failure to register would prove further ineligibility
> for any job in the Executive Branch of Government and BHO would not even
> be eligible for a job a the Post Office!
> http://orlytaitzesq.com/drorlytaitzesq/documentation/SSSGov.doc
>
> http://www.obamanotqualified.com/obama_birth_born_in_kenya_evidence.htm
>
> http://www.obamanotqualified.com/obama_other_citizenship_eligibility_issues.ht
> m
>
> etc etc etc
>
Billy
May 23, 2012, 4:15:19 PM5/23/12
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In article <asjnr71ro5hjfmiat...@4ax.com>,
Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Im curious as to why all the Leftists are trying desperately to keep ID
> requirements from the voting booth?
>
> You need ID to drive, to cash a check, to pay a bill, yet your lot
> doesnt want ID to be required to vote.
>
> Most interesting, given the voter fraud record of the Democratic party.
>
> Gunner
Voter fraud isn't limited to the Democratic Party, but that is a rant
for another time.
<http://hungryblues.net/2005/01/30/some-arguments-against-id-requirements
-for-voting/>
As many as 3 million New York City voters do not have a driver's
license. Indeed, 1990 census data showed that less than 50 percent of
New York City's voting age residents had a driver's license compared
with 91 percent of the state's residents overall.
(cont.)
Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Im curious as to why all the Leftists are trying desperately to keep ID
> requirements from the voting booth?
>
> You need ID to drive, to cash a check, to pay a bill, yet your lot
> doesnt want ID to be required to vote.
>
> Most interesting, given the voter fraud record of the Democratic party.
>
> Gunner
Voter fraud isn't limited to the Democratic Party, but that is a rant
for another time.
<http://hungryblues.net/2005/01/30/some-arguments-against-id-requirements
-for-voting/>
As many as 3 million New York City voters do not have a driver's
license. Indeed, 1990 census data showed that less than 50 percent of
New York City's voting age residents had a driver's license compared
with 91 percent of the state's residents overall.
(cont.)
Sancho Panza
May 23, 2012, 9:54:35 PM5/23/12
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caused by the president, his campaign and his White House staff.
VtSkier
May 24, 2012, 11:38:42 AM5/24/12
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> Here is the latest proof how just how worthless the Republican party
> has become:
>
> http://reason.com/blog/2012/04/26/cispa-passes-house-with-strong-gop-suppo
>
> Don't know if I consider myself a libertarian. I do know I've had
> enough of partisan politics and complete morons like Gummer who blame
> Democrats for everything. The same was true for Cliffy Huprich who was
> just as stupid as Gummer and spent a lot of years being mentally dead
> before he became physically dead.
>
> The focus should be on what can be done now to save this country. My
> answer is withdrawing from NAFTA and all the other "free trade"
> agreements we signed under both Republican and Democratic leadership.
other agreements are detrimental to the people of third world countries
as well as our own people. The rich get richer.
Also spot on.
At some point I'd like to get into the argument about production. The
question being, "How long can we sustain being a population which
produces nothing?" Making money with money is not a sustainable economy.
Buying with no selling is not sustainable. If we don't produce
something, sooner or later we won't be able to buy anything.
(PeteCresswell)
May 24, 2012, 11:57:04 AM5/24/12
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Per Sancho Panza:
an assertion in light of Nixon's inability to squash Watergate,
Clinton's inability to squash Whitewater and the Monica thing.
--
Pete Cresswell
>The legal proceedings did begin long ago. The delays have been directly
>caused by the president, his campaign and his White House staff.
I don't actually know anything, but I would be suspicious of such
>caused by the president, his campaign and his White House staff.
an assertion in light of Nixon's inability to squash Watergate,
Clinton's inability to squash Whitewater and the Monica thing.
--
Pete Cresswell
Billy
May 24, 2012, 12:17:38 PM5/24/12
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In article <ufmsr7pl43ks5tg9t...@4ax.com>,
Arizona accepts Obama birth verification
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/arizona-accepts-obama-birth-verif
ication/2012/05/23/gJQAUclnmU_story.html>
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/arizona-accepts-obama-birth-verif
ication/2012/05/23/gJQAUclnmU_story.html>
Sancho Panza
May 25, 2012, 6:37:35 PM5/25/12
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means dilatory.
Just Me
May 25, 2012, 8:24:32 PM5/25/12
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Thing is with the likes of you, is you are so afraid of anything that
may require you to think,so anything that doesn't validate your
"reality" is to be destroyed.
You couldn't pay me enough to live in your sad little world gunner,
it's a boring frightening place,with nothing much to offer.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 25, 2012, 10:04:23 PM5/25/12
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On 5/23/2012 2:33 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 21:59:06 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> On 5/22/2012 12:38 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> [...] Really? Why is that? Because he is falling farther and farther
>>> behind in the polls and you are horrified that your Great Obamassiah
>>> wont be in office in January?
>>> Deal with it.
>>>
>> Actually, "Mittens" Romney is so unpopular, I would not be surprised if
>> the Repugs find a way to nominate Jeb Bush at the convention.
>
> True enough. On the other hand...your boi wont be in office after
> January.
>>
My "boi"?
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 21:59:06 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> On 5/22/2012 12:38 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> [...] Really? Why is that? Because he is falling farther and farther
>>> behind in the polls and you are horrified that your Great Obamassiah
>>> wont be in office in January?
>>> Deal with it.
>>>
>> Actually, "Mittens" Romney is so unpopular, I would not be surprised if
>> the Repugs find a way to nominate Jeb Bush at the convention.
>
> True enough. On the other hand...your boi wont be in office after
> January.
>>
I am not voting for Obama, unless he has a bunch of Shrub era political
appointees, a couple of SCOTUS members, and a bunch of Congress-Critters
arrested and charged with treason before November.
>>> As a side note, most of you Leftwing Extremist Fringe Kooks wont be
>>> alive in November. Shrug
>>
>> Planning to start shooting? The FBI may be interested in this domestic
>> terrorism.
>
> What..you cant read? How many times do I have to state that Im simply
> an observer?
>
> Tommy Tommy Timmy....are you just another mentally ill Leftwinger?
>
> Or simply an asshole?
>
> No matter..you will likely be bulldozed into a mass grave sometime this
> year. Shrug
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 25, 2012, 10:13:22 PM5/25/12
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On 5/23/2012 2:44 PM, Billy wrote:
> [...] I realize that it demeans my believability to mock Gunny
> [...]
Do you also shoot fish in a barrel? :)
> [...] I realize that it demeans my believability to mock Gunny
> [...]
Do you also shoot fish in a barrel? :)
Gunner Asch
May 26, 2012, 2:07:57 AM5/26/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 21:04:23 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
an observer. Now those around you..shrug...they may murder you. Shrug
again.
Which militia do I support? There is only one militia in the US. The
one mentioned in US code. You belong to it as well. Are you prepared to
belong to it?
USC › Title 10 › Subtitle A › Part I › Chapter 13 › § 311
10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males
at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title
32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of
intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female
citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the
Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the
militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Of course you are not too old. And Volunteers over the age of 45 are
legally allowed to be in the militia.
Speaking of vicious old farts....
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/whittemore.html
Gunner
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/22/2012 12:38 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> [...] Really? Why is that? Because he is falling farther and farther
>>>> behind in the polls and you are horrified that your Great Obamassiah
>>>> wont be in office in January?
>>>> Deal with it.
>>>>
>>> Actually, "Mittens" Romney is so unpopular, I would not be surprised if
>>> the Repugs find a way to nominate Jeb Bush at the convention.
>>
>> True enough. On the other hand...your boi wont be in office after
>> January.
>>>
>My "boi"?
>
>I am not voting for Obama, unless he has a bunch of Shrub era political
>appointees, a couple of SCOTUS members, and a bunch of Congress-Critters
>arrested and charged with treason before November.
Good luck with that....snicker!
>>
>>> On 5/22/2012 12:38 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> [...] Really? Why is that? Because he is falling farther and farther
>>>> behind in the polls and you are horrified that your Great Obamassiah
>>>> wont be in office in January?
>>>> Deal with it.
>>>>
>>> Actually, "Mittens" Romney is so unpopular, I would not be surprised if
>>> the Repugs find a way to nominate Jeb Bush at the convention.
>>
>> True enough. On the other hand...your boi wont be in office after
>> January.
>>>
>My "boi"?
>
>I am not voting for Obama, unless he has a bunch of Shrub era political
>appointees, a couple of SCOTUS members, and a bunch of Congress-Critters
>arrested and charged with treason before November.
>
>>>> As a side note, most of you Leftwing Extremist Fringe Kooks wont be
>>>> alive in November. Shrug
>>>
>>> Planning to start shooting? The FBI may be interested in this domestic
>>> terrorism.
>>
>> What..you cant read? How many times do I have to state that Im simply
>> an observer?
>>
>> Tommy Tommy Timmy....are you just another mentally ill Leftwinger?
>>
>> Or simply an asshole?
>>
>> No matter..you will likely be bulldozed into a mass grave sometime this
>> year. Shrug
>
>Gee, that sounds like a threat to me. So what militia do you support?
Id suppose it may be a threat to you. Not from me of course. Im simply
>>>> As a side note, most of you Leftwing Extremist Fringe Kooks wont be
>>>> alive in November. Shrug
>>>
>>> Planning to start shooting? The FBI may be interested in this domestic
>>> terrorism.
>>
>> What..you cant read? How many times do I have to state that Im simply
>> an observer?
>>
>> Tommy Tommy Timmy....are you just another mentally ill Leftwinger?
>>
>> Or simply an asshole?
>>
>> No matter..you will likely be bulldozed into a mass grave sometime this
>> year. Shrug
>
>Gee, that sounds like a threat to me. So what militia do you support?
an observer. Now those around you..shrug...they may murder you. Shrug
again.
Which militia do I support? There is only one militia in the US. The
one mentioned in US code. You belong to it as well. Are you prepared to
belong to it?
USC › Title 10 › Subtitle A › Part I › Chapter 13 › § 311
10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males
at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title
32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of
intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female
citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the
Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the
militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Of course you are not too old. And Volunteers over the age of 45 are
legally allowed to be in the militia.
Speaking of vicious old farts....
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/whittemore.html
Gunner
Gunner Asch
May 26, 2012, 2:13:16 AM5/26/12
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On Wed, 23 May 2012 12:51:41 -0700, Billy <wild...@withoutta.net>
wrote:
>In article <jphjpt$mt9$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> On 5/22/2012 12:38 PM, Gunneria Arschloch wrote:
>> > [...] Really? Why is that? Because he is falling farther and farther
>> > behind in the polls and you are horrified that your Great Obamassiah
>> > wont be in office in January?
>> > Deal with it.
>> >
>> Actually, "Mittens" Romney is so unpopular, I would not be surprised if
>> the Repugs find a way to nominate Jeb Bush at the convention.
>>
>> > As a side note, most of you Leftwing Extremist Fringe Kooks wont be
>> > alive in November. Shrug
>>
>> Planning to start shooting? The FBI may be interested in this domestic
>> terrorism.
Planning to start shooting? Ive repeated many times here that when the
balloon goes up, Ill be sitting at the ranch, feet propped up on the
front porch rail, banjo in my lap..playing happy riffs with the steadily
increasing body count as its reported over the radio.
Now if someone decides to come after me...Ill simply be shooting in
legal self defense. Ive already put far far too many men in the ground
over the years..military and law enforcement careers ..to care to add
any more. But if I must..shrug, Ill do what needs to be done and then go
in for a burger. Shrug again. Its not like killing bad people will
bother me much. Ive killed far too many enemies that I actually
respected in war. Criminals and Leftwingers...shrug..Ive got no respect
for them at all. So if they come after me...on their heads be it.
bunch.
Gunner
wrote:
>In article <jphjpt$mt9$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> On 5/22/2012 12:38 PM, Gunneria Arschloch wrote:
>> > [...] Really? Why is that? Because he is falling farther and farther
>> > behind in the polls and you are horrified that your Great Obamassiah
>> > wont be in office in January?
>> > Deal with it.
>> >
>> Actually, "Mittens" Romney is so unpopular, I would not be surprised if
>> the Repugs find a way to nominate Jeb Bush at the convention.
>>
>> > As a side note, most of you Leftwing Extremist Fringe Kooks wont be
>> > alive in November. Shrug
>>
>> Planning to start shooting? The FBI may be interested in this domestic
>> terrorism.
balloon goes up, Ill be sitting at the ranch, feet propped up on the
front porch rail, banjo in my lap..playing happy riffs with the steadily
increasing body count as its reported over the radio.
Now if someone decides to come after me...Ill simply be shooting in
legal self defense. Ive already put far far too many men in the ground
over the years..military and law enforcement careers ..to care to add
any more. But if I must..shrug, Ill do what needs to be done and then go
in for a burger. Shrug again. Its not like killing bad people will
bother me much. Ive killed far too many enemies that I actually
respected in war. Criminals and Leftwingers...shrug..Ive got no respect
for them at all. So if they come after me...on their heads be it.
>
>Gunny likes to try to intimidate people with his "Brown Shirt" routine.
>Gunny is a modest man with much to be modest about.
>Ein echte Hurensohn.
Brown Shirt? Oh..you mean National Socialists. Just another leftwing
>Gunny likes to try to intimidate people with his "Brown Shirt" routine.
>Gunny is a modest man with much to be modest about.
>Ein echte Hurensohn.
bunch.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
May 26, 2012, 2:18:23 AM5/26/12
to
On Wed, 23 May 2012 12:44:19 -0700, Billy <wild...@withoutta.net>
wrote:
>In article <ik6pr7dev07mbvhqp...@4ax.com>,
> Gunneria Arschloch <gunneria...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>An unbiased look at the 2000 election can be found at
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount>
>
>, but a more damning report about Florida Governor Jeb Bush and Florida
>Secretary of State Katherine Harris using their influence to purge and
>discount the ballots of predominantly Gore-supporting black voters
>through the łfake felons list˛ compiled by private company
I notice you were unable to refute any of the comments from Media
Research. <VBG> Sucks to be a Leftwinger..doesnt it?
>
>I realize that it demeans my believability to mock Gunny, but he gives
>no respect, so he shall receive no respect from me.
Son..Ive no respect for you whatsoever. Only deep contempt.
And I know the feeling is mutual. So be it.
If you manage to survive to the end of the year..come visit me. We can
work out the details after most of the killing stops. Assuming you are
still above ground.
Gunner
wrote:
>In article <ik6pr7dev07mbvhqp...@4ax.com>,
> Gunneria Arschloch <gunneria...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>An unbiased look at the 2000 election can be found at
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount>
>
>, but a more damning report about Florida Governor Jeb Bush and Florida
>Secretary of State Katherine Harris using their influence to purge and
>discount the ballots of predominantly Gore-supporting black voters
>DBT/ChoicePoint for US$4 million, can be found at
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChoicePoint#Florida_voter_file_contract>
Katherine Harris. You do know she was a Democrat, right?
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChoicePoint#Florida_voter_file_contract>
>
>I chose Wikipedia as my source, because it is, more or less,
>nonpartisan, unlike the source that Gunny gave "Media Research Center -
>Exposing & Combatting Liberal Media Bias". You have to wonder what what
>liberal media they are referring to when 90% of the Media is corporates
>owned.
><http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php>
Nbc, cbs, Abc and CNN
>I chose Wikipedia as my source, because it is, more or less,
>nonpartisan, unlike the source that Gunny gave "Media Research Center -
>Exposing & Combatting Liberal Media Bias". You have to wonder what what
>liberal media they are referring to when 90% of the Media is corporates
>owned.
><http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php>
I notice you were unable to refute any of the comments from Media
Research. <VBG> Sucks to be a Leftwinger..doesnt it?
>
>I realize that it demeans my believability to mock Gunny, but he gives
>no respect, so he shall receive no respect from me.
And I know the feeling is mutual. So be it.
If you manage to survive to the end of the year..come visit me. We can
work out the details after most of the killing stops. Assuming you are
still above ground.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
May 26, 2012, 2:18:54 AM5/26/12
to
On Fri, 25 May 2012 21:13:22 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/23/2012 2:44 PM, Billy wrote:
>> [...] I realize that it demeans my believability to mock Gunny
> > [...]
>
>Do you also shoot fish in a barrel? :)
Its a given he farts in the tub and bites at the bubbles. Does that
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/23/2012 2:44 PM, Billy wrote:
>> [...] I realize that it demeans my believability to mock Gunny
> > [...]
>
>Do you also shoot fish in a barrel? :)
count?
Gunner
Gunner Asch
May 26, 2012, 2:25:04 AM5/26/12
to
On Wed, 23 May 2012 13:15:19 -0700, Billy <wild...@withoutta.net>
wrote:
>In article <asjnr71ro5hjfmiat...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Im curious as to why all the Leftists are trying desperately to keep ID
>> requirements from the voting booth?
>>
>> You need ID to drive, to cash a check, to pay a bill, yet your lot
>> doesnt want ID to be required to vote.
>>
>> Most interesting, given the voter fraud record of the Democratic party.
>>
>> Gunner
>
>Voter fraud isn't limited to the Democratic Party, but that is a rant
>for another time.
>
><http://hungryblues.net/2005/01/30/some-arguments-against-id-requirements
>-for-voting/>
>As many as 3 million New York City voters do not have a driver's
>license. Indeed, 1990 census data showed that less than 50 percent of
>New York City's voting age residents had a driver's license compared
>with 91 percent of the state's residents overall.
>(cont.)
What..you mean New York banks allow anyone to cash a check without any
sort of ID?
Is that your claim?
Or do those that dont have a DL, have an ID card issued by the State of
New Jork?
Hummm...lets see here...
http://www.dmv.org/ny-new-york/id-cards.php
Seems as though the DMV of New York says you need an ID to:
Cash a check
Apply for a job
Open a bank account
Get an apartment
Apply for college
Board an airplane
How to Apply
Visit your local DMV office with:
A completed Form MV-44 (Application for Driver License or Non-Driver
ID Card)
Proper identification and proof of birth date
Payment for ID card fee
New York's website provides easy-to-follow steps on how to obtain a
birth certificate or Social Security number. The state also has detailed
information on how to procure identification for the following special
situations:
--Born outside of U.S.
--Don't have U.S. citizenship status
--In Foster Care
--Have a criminal record
--Under 16 years old
You may get an ID card at any age, but applicants under 16 require
parental consent. You may not have both a New York State driver license
or learner permit and a non-driver photo ID card.
For applicants under 62, a short-term ID card is valid for four to five
years and costs $9 to $10. A long-term ID card is valid for eight to
nine years and costs $13 to $14. The DMV will issue you a temporary card
when you apply, and your permanent photo ID card will arrive in the mail
within five weeks. Details are available on the DMV's Photo Licenses and
ID Cards page.
Seniors 62 and older and those under 62 who are receiving Social
Security Income (SSI) may apply for a 10-year card for a reduced fee of
only $6.50. For this you'll need to prove your name and age and, if you
receive SSI, provide one of the following Social Security Administration
documents as proof that you receive SSI:
Notice of Award
Notice of Change in Payment (SSA-L8151)
Report of Confidential Social Security Benefit Information
(SSA-2458)
Benefit Verification Letter
Funny how that works out isnt it? And here you were trying the
Leftwingers Bogus Argument. Very very Poorly, sad to say.
But then..you arent the sharpest cow pie in the field..are you ?
Gunner
wrote:
>In article <asjnr71ro5hjfmiat...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Im curious as to why all the Leftists are trying desperately to keep ID
>> requirements from the voting booth?
>>
>> You need ID to drive, to cash a check, to pay a bill, yet your lot
>> doesnt want ID to be required to vote.
>>
>> Most interesting, given the voter fraud record of the Democratic party.
>>
>> Gunner
>
>Voter fraud isn't limited to the Democratic Party, but that is a rant
>for another time.
>
><http://hungryblues.net/2005/01/30/some-arguments-against-id-requirements
>-for-voting/>
>As many as 3 million New York City voters do not have a driver's
>license. Indeed, 1990 census data showed that less than 50 percent of
>New York City's voting age residents had a driver's license compared
>with 91 percent of the state's residents overall.
>(cont.)
sort of ID?
Is that your claim?
Or do those that dont have a DL, have an ID card issued by the State of
New Jork?
Hummm...lets see here...
http://www.dmv.org/ny-new-york/id-cards.php
Seems as though the DMV of New York says you need an ID to:
Cash a check
Apply for a job
Open a bank account
Get an apartment
Apply for college
Board an airplane
How to Apply
Visit your local DMV office with:
A completed Form MV-44 (Application for Driver License or Non-Driver
ID Card)
Proper identification and proof of birth date
Payment for ID card fee
New York's website provides easy-to-follow steps on how to obtain a
birth certificate or Social Security number. The state also has detailed
information on how to procure identification for the following special
situations:
--Born outside of U.S.
--Don't have U.S. citizenship status
--In Foster Care
--Have a criminal record
--Under 16 years old
You may get an ID card at any age, but applicants under 16 require
parental consent. You may not have both a New York State driver license
or learner permit and a non-driver photo ID card.
For applicants under 62, a short-term ID card is valid for four to five
years and costs $9 to $10. A long-term ID card is valid for eight to
nine years and costs $13 to $14. The DMV will issue you a temporary card
when you apply, and your permanent photo ID card will arrive in the mail
within five weeks. Details are available on the DMV's Photo Licenses and
ID Cards page.
Seniors 62 and older and those under 62 who are receiving Social
Security Income (SSI) may apply for a 10-year card for a reduced fee of
only $6.50. For this you'll need to prove your name and age and, if you
receive SSI, provide one of the following Social Security Administration
documents as proof that you receive SSI:
Notice of Award
Notice of Change in Payment (SSA-L8151)
Report of Confidential Social Security Benefit Information
(SSA-2458)
Benefit Verification Letter
Funny how that works out isnt it? And here you were trying the
Leftwingers Bogus Argument. Very very Poorly, sad to say.
But then..you arent the sharpest cow pie in the field..are you ?
Gunner
Gunner Asch
May 26, 2012, 2:31:07 AM5/26/12
to
On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:17:38 -0700, Billy <wild...@withoutta.net>
wrote:
>In article <ufmsr7pl43ks5tg9t...@4ax.com>,
> "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
>
>> Per Sancho Panza:
>> >The legal proceedings did begin long ago. The delays have been directly
>> >caused by the president, his campaign and his White House staff.
>>
>> I don't actually know anything, but I would be suspicious of such
>> an assertion in light of Nixon's inability to squash Watergate,
>> Clinton's inability to squash Whitewater and the Monica thing.
>
>Arizona accepts Obama birth verification
><http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/arizona-accepts-obama-birth-verif
>ication/2012/05/23/gJQAUclnmU_story.html>
Cool!!
Now when the next president comes in..and the covers come off the behind
the scenes interplay..I wonder how many in Hawaii will wind up in prison
for felony fraud?
Hawaii Governor Can’t Find Obama’s Birth Certificate
Jan 19, 2011
The media-starved sycophantic liberal Governor of Hawaii who swore to
‘unveil‘ Obama’s birth certificate, just had his bluff called:
(WND) Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published
today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack
Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii
Department of Health.
Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within
the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that
would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility
controversy could hurt the president’s chances of re-election in 2012.
So far, the only birth document available on Obama is a Hawaii
Certification of Live Birth that first appeared on the Internet during
the 2008 presidential campaign. It was posted by two purportedly
independent websites that have displayed a strong partisan bias for
Obama –Snopes.com released the COLB in June 2008, and FactCheck.org
published photographs of the document in August 2008.
Odd that it took nearly 4 yrs to find..isnt it?
<VBG>
But hey..let him run. Shrug
Gunner
wrote:
>In article <ufmsr7pl43ks5tg9t...@4ax.com>,
> "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
>
>> Per Sancho Panza:
>> >The legal proceedings did begin long ago. The delays have been directly
>> >caused by the president, his campaign and his White House staff.
>>
>> I don't actually know anything, but I would be suspicious of such
>> an assertion in light of Nixon's inability to squash Watergate,
>> Clinton's inability to squash Whitewater and the Monica thing.
>
>Arizona accepts Obama birth verification
><http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/arizona-accepts-obama-birth-verif
>ication/2012/05/23/gJQAUclnmU_story.html>
Now when the next president comes in..and the covers come off the behind
the scenes interplay..I wonder how many in Hawaii will wind up in prison
for felony fraud?
Hawaii Governor Can’t Find Obama’s Birth Certificate
Jan 19, 2011
The media-starved sycophantic liberal Governor of Hawaii who swore to
‘unveil‘ Obama’s birth certificate, just had his bluff called:
(WND) Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published
today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack
Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii
Department of Health.
Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within
the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that
would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility
controversy could hurt the president’s chances of re-election in 2012.
So far, the only birth document available on Obama is a Hawaii
Certification of Live Birth that first appeared on the Internet during
the 2008 presidential campaign. It was posted by two purportedly
independent websites that have displayed a strong partisan bias for
Obama –Snopes.com released the COLB in June 2008, and FactCheck.org
published photographs of the document in August 2008.
Odd that it took nearly 4 yrs to find..isnt it?
<VBG>
But hey..let him run. Shrug
Gunner
Gunner Asch
May 26, 2012, 2:40:19 AM5/26/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 16:25:24 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>DanP <dan....@gmail.com> on Wed, 23 May 2012 06:24:54 -0700 (PDT)
>typed in alt.machines.cnc the following:
>>On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 18:08:29 UTC+1, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>
>>> And the reason that we believe that Obama was born in Kenya is ...
>>> he said so. It was in his publicist's brochure about her Kenya born
>>> author. (These bios are provided by the author.)
>>
>>Do you remember what you wrote in the previous sentence when you start writing a new one?
>>
>>You say Obama said so then you clarify it by saying his publicist said so.
>
> Okay for the pedantic - his publicist published the bio that Obama
>wrote. She did not "fact check" to see if what her client wrote was
>true, but published it as it was submitted, for umpteen years - until
>he began his campaign to become President.
>
> Whether or not Obama was born in Kenya he certainly wanted to be
>thought of as Kenyan born for a lot of years. Why would he do that?
>
>>Read todays news to see how gullible you are.
>
> Yes, yes, I know, all that Hope and Change is going to cause the
>oceans to stop rising, racism to become a thing of the past, and free
>condoms will fall front he sky -even on Catholic campuses.
>--
>pyotr
>Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
>you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
>question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
>does it take to change a lightbulb.
This is very interesting then...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpNYuNX01bg
As is this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk3OMRqO7aY
And this.
Looks like we have 3 very important liars..doesnt it?
<VBG>
Gunner
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>DanP <dan....@gmail.com> on Wed, 23 May 2012 06:24:54 -0700 (PDT)
>typed in alt.machines.cnc the following:
>>On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 18:08:29 UTC+1, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>
>>> And the reason that we believe that Obama was born in Kenya is ...
>>> he said so. It was in his publicist's brochure about her Kenya born
>>> author. (These bios are provided by the author.)
>>
>>Do you remember what you wrote in the previous sentence when you start writing a new one?
>>
>>You say Obama said so then you clarify it by saying his publicist said so.
>
> Okay for the pedantic - his publicist published the bio that Obama
>wrote. She did not "fact check" to see if what her client wrote was
>true, but published it as it was submitted, for umpteen years - until
>he began his campaign to become President.
>
> Whether or not Obama was born in Kenya he certainly wanted to be
>thought of as Kenyan born for a lot of years. Why would he do that?
>
>>Read todays news to see how gullible you are.
>
> Yes, yes, I know, all that Hope and Change is going to cause the
>oceans to stop rising, racism to become a thing of the past, and free
>condoms will fall front he sky -even on Catholic campuses.
>--
>pyotr
>Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
>you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
>question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
>does it take to change a lightbulb.
This is very interesting then...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpNYuNX01bg
As is this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk3OMRqO7aY
And this.
Looks like we have 3 very important liars..doesnt it?
<VBG>
Gunner
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 26, 2012, 5:51:18 AM5/26/12
to
On 5/26/2012 1:13 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> [...]
Cannibalism is a bad idea, since you are eating an animal subject to the
same diseases you are. On the other hand, Gunner Asch may be humanoid
and not hominid.
> [...]
> Now if someone decides to come after me...Ill simply be shooting in
> legal self defense. Ive already put far far too many men in the ground
> over the years..military and law enforcement careers ..to care to add
> any more. But if I must..shrug, Ill do what needs to be done and then go
> in for a burger.[...]
> legal self defense. Ive already put far far too many men in the ground
> over the years..military and law enforcement careers ..to care to add
> any more. But if I must..shrug, Ill do what needs to be done and then go
Cannibalism is a bad idea, since you are eating an animal subject to the
same diseases you are. On the other hand, Gunner Asch may be humanoid
and not hominid.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 26, 2012, 5:53:05 AM5/26/12
to
On 5/26/2012 1:18 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> [...] Nbc, cbs, Abc and CNN [...]
All owned by the Zio-Cons.
> [...] Nbc, cbs, Abc and CNN [...]
All owned by the Zio-Cons.
Gunner Asch
May 27, 2012, 5:22:17 AM5/27/12
to
On Sat, 26 May 2012 04:53:05 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/26/2012 1:18 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> [...] Nbc, cbs, Abc and CNN [...]
>
>All owned by the Zio-Cons.
Zio cons?
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/26/2012 1:18 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> [...] Nbc, cbs, Abc and CNN [...]
>
>All owned by the Zio-Cons.
Oh..you mean Leftwingers.
Of course they are.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
May 27, 2012, 5:22:16 AM5/27/12
to
On Sat, 26 May 2012 04:51:18 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/26/2012 1:13 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> > [...]
>> Now if someone decides to come after me...Ill simply be shooting in
>> legal self defense. Ive already put far far too many men in the ground
>> over the years..military and law enforcement careers ..to care to add
>> any more. But if I must..shrug, Ill do what needs to be done and then go
>> in for a burger.[...]
>
>Cannibalism is a bad idea, since you are eating an animal subject to the
>same diseases you are. On the other hand, Gunner Asch may be humanoid
>and not hominid.
Cannibalism? Sonny...the sort of man eating you do is hardly
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/26/2012 1:13 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> > [...]
>> Now if someone decides to come after me...Ill simply be shooting in
>> legal self defense. Ive already put far far too many men in the ground
>> over the years..military and law enforcement careers ..to care to add
>> any more. But if I must..shrug, Ill do what needs to be done and then go
>> in for a burger.[...]
>
>Cannibalism is a bad idea, since you are eating an animal subject to the
>same diseases you are. On the other hand, Gunner Asch may be humanoid
>and not hominid.
"cannibalism". Its called "gay"
Now if you were actually eating people..it might explain your mental
issues. Most intelligent cannibles know better than to eat brains or CNS
tissues, else kuru may result.
Seems you didnt get the word. Pity. Shrug
Gunner
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 27, 2012, 11:45:00 AM5/27/12
to
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 27, 2012, 11:46:01 AM5/27/12
to
On 5/27/2012 4:22 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
jon_banquer
May 27, 2012, 1:55:11 PM5/27/12
to
On May 27, 8:46 am, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
Idiot is far to generous. Gummy lost most of his brains with his last
heart attack and has never recovered.
heart attack and has never recovered.
Gunner Asch
May 27, 2012, 8:36:20 PM5/27/12
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 10:46:01 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
Gunner
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/27/2012 4:22 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 May 2012 04:51:18 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/26/2012 1:13 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> Now if someone decides to come after me...Ill simply be shooting in
>>>> legal self defense. Ive already put far far too many men in the ground
>>>> over the years..military and law enforcement careers ..to care to add
>>>> any more. But if I must..shrug, Ill do what needs to be done and then go
>>>> in for a burger.[...]
>>>
>>> Cannibalism is a bad idea, since you are eating an animal subject to the
>>> same diseases you are. On the other hand, Gunner Asch may be humanoid
>>> and not hominid.
>>
>> Cannibalism? Sonny...the sort of man eating you do is hardly
>> "cannibalism". Its called "gay"
>>
>> Now if you were actually eating people..it might explain your mental
>> issues. Most intelligent cannibles know better than to eat brains or CNS
>> tissues, else kuru may result.
>>
>> Seems you didnt get the word. Pity. Shrug
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>Idiot.
Moi? You are the guy with Kuru.
>On 5/27/2012 4:22 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 May 2012 04:51:18 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/26/2012 1:13 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> Now if someone decides to come after me...Ill simply be shooting in
>>>> legal self defense. Ive already put far far too many men in the ground
>>>> over the years..military and law enforcement careers ..to care to add
>>>> any more. But if I must..shrug, Ill do what needs to be done and then go
>>>> in for a burger.[...]
>>>
>>> Cannibalism is a bad idea, since you are eating an animal subject to the
>>> same diseases you are. On the other hand, Gunner Asch may be humanoid
>>> and not hominid.
>>
>> Cannibalism? Sonny...the sort of man eating you do is hardly
>> "cannibalism". Its called "gay"
>>
>> Now if you were actually eating people..it might explain your mental
>> issues. Most intelligent cannibles know better than to eat brains or CNS
>> tissues, else kuru may result.
>>
>> Seems you didnt get the word. Pity. Shrug
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>Idiot.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
May 27, 2012, 8:36:23 PM5/27/12
to
On Sun, 27 May 2012 10:45:00 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
<VBG>
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>On 5/27/2012 4:22 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 May 2012 04:53:05 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/26/2012 1:18 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> [...] Nbc, cbs, Abc and CNN [...]
>>>
>>> All owned by the Zio-Cons.
>>
>> Zio cons?
>>
>> Oh..you mean Leftwingers.
>>
>> Of course they are.
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>Idiot.
the guy with Kuru is calling someone else "idiot"?
>On 5/27/2012 4:22 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 May 2012 04:53:05 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
>> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/26/2012 1:18 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> [...] Nbc, cbs, Abc and CNN [...]
>>>
>>> All owned by the Zio-Cons.
>>
>> Zio cons?
>>
>> Oh..you mean Leftwingers.
>>
>> Of course they are.
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>Idiot.
<VBG>
Len McGoogle
May 29, 2012, 4:43:29 PM5/29/12
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On May 26, 2:13 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2012 12:51:41 -0700, Billy <wildbi...@withoutta.net>
> wrote:
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> >In article <jphjpt$mt...@dont-email.me>,
Gunner's "ranch" is a shithole in some run-down desert town. It's the
exact type of place you see on Hoarders.
> On Wed, 23 May 2012 12:51:41 -0700, Billy <wildbi...@withoutta.net>
> wrote:
>
>
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>
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> >In article <jphjpt$mt...@dont-email.me>,
exact type of place you see on Hoarders.
Gunner Asch
May 29, 2012, 7:55:01 PM5/29/12
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So..still renting or did you move into your moms basement..again?
Gunner
Len McGoogle
May 29, 2012, 9:02:12 PM5/29/12
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Gunner Asch
May 30, 2012, 1:22:19 AM5/30/12
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<VBG>
Gunner
jon_banquer
May 30, 2012, 1:45:09 AM5/30/12
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educate yourself.
That's what happens when you don't learn from your mistakes and let a
woman take advantage of you for most of your life rather than dump her
and move on.
Len McGoogle
May 30, 2012, 6:02:27 PM5/30/12
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That entire neighborhood looks like Mogadishu!
Dave Head
May 31, 2012, 10:39:28 AM5/31/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 10:27:32 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
<jonba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On May 21, 7:02 am, Dave Head <rally...@att.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 15:57:18 -0700 (PDT), walt tonne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On May 17, 2:30 pm, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On May 17, 3:14 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <rghr...@sasas.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > "Milestone for US as more than half of births come from minority groups"
>>
>> >> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/17/america-half-births-minor...
>>
>> >> > -Eddie Haskell
>>
>> >> We already have the African president from Kenya.
>>
>> >> And, we hace millions of America hating illegals from the 3rd world
>> >> south of our border.
>>
>> >Our government is a failure. It is a system designed to favor those
>> >who can effectively kiss the
>> >most butts. It's debasement is so flagrant as to forever brand the
>> >word "democracy" as an
>> >operating obscenity.
>>
>> We're well on the way to that 3rd-world thing. It is the income taxes
>> that are taking our country apart - they discourage industry, are at
>> the bottom of the trend to ship jobs overseas and import immigrant
>> workers to the US, thus depriving citizens of the jobs that are here.
>> If we do not repeal the income tax, we are toast, and will acquire so
>> much debt that we will never be able to pay it off, and spend all our
>> tax money simply paying the interest on it. Soon the interest on the
>> national debt will be the size of defense spending, and then it will
>> surpass it. If we get rid of the income tax now, we have a chance. If
>> we don't, we're doomed to go bankrupt.
>
>Wrong.
>
>It's "free trade" agreements like NAFTA that have destroyed America.
>We continue to sign more of them.
>
>Ross Perot had it right:
>
>http://youtu.be/Rkgx1C_S6ls
>
>A website devoted to explaining what "free trade" had done to this
>country:
>
>http://economyincrisis.org/
Hell, the free trade agreements would be a GOOD thing if we would just
get rid of the America-raping income taxes.
With US businesses paying the highest income tax rate on the planet,
they cannot manufacture here and compete with the rest of the world
that not only has lower wages, but also lower corporate income taxes.
Take the tax rates to zero - abolish all income taxes - and we can use
the free trade agreements to beat the rest of the overcompeting world
to death. Eventually, with zero income taxes, virtually ALL
manufacturing would be occuring within the USA. This would be the
new, best world tax shelter.
There's other stuff to tax rather than income, see www.fairtax.org. We
could have a 3% unemployment rate within 2 years after passage of the
Fair Tax, and put to work not only every American citizens that wants
a GOOD manufacturing job, but every immigrant that wants to come and
help power our industry. We could increase the population of the USA
by 50%, and the resultant taxes on the newly-rich would eventually
balance the budget.
Its truly the economic silver bullet for this sick economy.
<jonba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On May 21, 7:02 am, Dave Head <rally...@att.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 15:57:18 -0700 (PDT), walt tonne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On May 17, 2:30 pm, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On May 17, 3:14 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <rghr...@sasas.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > "Milestone for US as more than half of births come from minority groups"
>>
>> >> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/17/america-half-births-minor...
>>
>> >> > -Eddie Haskell
>>
>> >> We already have the African president from Kenya.
>>
>> >> And, we hace millions of America hating illegals from the 3rd world
>> >> south of our border.
>>
>> >Our government is a failure. It is a system designed to favor those
>> >who can effectively kiss the
>> >most butts. It's debasement is so flagrant as to forever brand the
>> >word "democracy" as an
>> >operating obscenity.
>>
>> We're well on the way to that 3rd-world thing. It is the income taxes
>> that are taking our country apart - they discourage industry, are at
>> the bottom of the trend to ship jobs overseas and import immigrant
>> workers to the US, thus depriving citizens of the jobs that are here.
>> If we do not repeal the income tax, we are toast, and will acquire so
>> much debt that we will never be able to pay it off, and spend all our
>> tax money simply paying the interest on it. Soon the interest on the
>> national debt will be the size of defense spending, and then it will
>> surpass it. If we get rid of the income tax now, we have a chance. If
>> we don't, we're doomed to go bankrupt.
>
>Wrong.
>
>It's "free trade" agreements like NAFTA that have destroyed America.
>We continue to sign more of them.
>
>Ross Perot had it right:
>
>http://youtu.be/Rkgx1C_S6ls
>
>A website devoted to explaining what "free trade" had done to this
>country:
>
>http://economyincrisis.org/
Hell, the free trade agreements would be a GOOD thing if we would just
get rid of the America-raping income taxes.
With US businesses paying the highest income tax rate on the planet,
they cannot manufacture here and compete with the rest of the world
that not only has lower wages, but also lower corporate income taxes.
Take the tax rates to zero - abolish all income taxes - and we can use
the free trade agreements to beat the rest of the overcompeting world
to death. Eventually, with zero income taxes, virtually ALL
manufacturing would be occuring within the USA. This would be the
new, best world tax shelter.
There's other stuff to tax rather than income, see www.fairtax.org. We
could have a 3% unemployment rate within 2 years after passage of the
Fair Tax, and put to work not only every American citizens that wants
a GOOD manufacturing job, but every immigrant that wants to come and
help power our industry. We could increase the population of the USA
by 50%, and the resultant taxes on the newly-rich would eventually
balance the budget.
Its truly the economic silver bullet for this sick economy.
Billy
Jun 1, 2012, 1:57:42 AM6/1/12
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In article <bb0fs7dgv8obp5ceo...@4ax.com>,
You are so wrong, but you are saying what the Koch brothers want to hear.
<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_bi_ge/corporations_income_tax>
<http://www.fairtax.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=10031&news_iv_ctrl
=1521>
Most companies in US avoid federal income taxes
<http://theuptake.org/2011/03/05/michael-moore-the-big-lie-wisconsin-is-b
roke/>
MICHAEL MOORE: America is not broke. Contrary to what those in power
would like you to believe, so that you'll give up your pension, cut your
wages, and settle for the life your great-grandparents had, America is
not broke. Not by a long shot. The country is awash in wealth and cash.
It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the
greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks
and the portfolios of the uber-rich.
<http://www.chron.com/business/steffy/article/Corporations-not-pulling-we
ight-on-taxes-1752566.php>
Corporations not pulling weight on taxes
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_bi_ge/corporations_income_tax
Most companies in US avoid federal income taxes
Two-thirds of U.S. corporations paid no federal income taxes between
1998 and 2005, according to a new report from Congress.
The study by the Government Accountability Office, expected to be
released Tuesday, said about 68 percent of foreign companies doing
business in the U.S. avoided corporate taxes over the same period.
Collectively, the companies reported trillions of dollars in sales,
according to GAO's estimate.
"It's shameful that so many corporations make big profits and pay
nothing to support our country," said Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., who
asked for the GAO study with Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich.
-----
<http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?pagewanted
=1&_r=2>
G.E.¹s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether
http://exiledonline.com/a-people-history-of-koch-industries-part-ii-liber
tarian-billionaires-charles-and-david-koch-are-closetcase-subsidy-kings-w
ho-milk-big-government-tyranny-but-want-to-slash-spending-on-anyone-else/
7 Ways the Koch Bros. Benefit from Corporate Welfare
<http://truthdamntruthandstatistics.blogspot.com/2008/03/corporate-vs-soc
ial-welfare.html>
Corporate vs. Social Welfare
<http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-2
0110216>
Why Isn't Wall Street in Jail?
Then you look at Germany, as I said before. They have strong unions,
high wages, an they don't ship their jobs overseas. If Germany can do
it, why can't our politicians make it happen here?
Hint: We have the best government that money can buy.
>
> Take the tax rates to zero - abolish all income taxes - and we can use
> the free trade agreements to beat the rest of the overcompeting world
> to death. Eventually, with zero income taxes, virtually ALL
> manufacturing would be occuring within the USA. This would be the
> new, best world tax shelter.
>
> There's other stuff to tax rather than income, see www.fairtax.org. We
> could have a 3% unemployment rate within 2 years after passage of the
> Fair Tax, and put to work not only every American citizens that wants
> a GOOD manufacturing job, but every immigrant that wants to come and
> help power our industry. We could increase the population of the USA
> by 50%, and the resultant taxes on the newly-rich would eventually
> balance the budget.
>
> Its truly the economic silver bullet for this sick economy.
I got an idea. If we were all put to work, and were paid more, we could
buy more products and make corporations rich. Win/Win.
--
E Pluribus Unum
Know where your money is tonight?
It's making the lives of Wall Street Bankers more comfortable.
The GOP is chasing us towards a cliff called "Obama."
Vote 3rd Party
<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_bi_ge/corporations_income_tax>
<http://www.fairtax.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=10031&news_iv_ctrl
=1521>
Most companies in US avoid federal income taxes
<http://theuptake.org/2011/03/05/michael-moore-the-big-lie-wisconsin-is-b
roke/>
MICHAEL MOORE: America is not broke. Contrary to what those in power
would like you to believe, so that you'll give up your pension, cut your
wages, and settle for the life your great-grandparents had, America is
not broke. Not by a long shot. The country is awash in wealth and cash.
It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the
greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks
and the portfolios of the uber-rich.
<http://www.chron.com/business/steffy/article/Corporations-not-pulling-we
ight-on-taxes-1752566.php>
Corporations not pulling weight on taxes
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_bi_ge/corporations_income_tax
Most companies in US avoid federal income taxes
Two-thirds of U.S. corporations paid no federal income taxes between
1998 and 2005, according to a new report from Congress.
The study by the Government Accountability Office, expected to be
released Tuesday, said about 68 percent of foreign companies doing
business in the U.S. avoided corporate taxes over the same period.
Collectively, the companies reported trillions of dollars in sales,
according to GAO's estimate.
"It's shameful that so many corporations make big profits and pay
nothing to support our country," said Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., who
asked for the GAO study with Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich.
-----
<http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?pagewanted
=1&_r=2>
G.E.¹s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether
http://exiledonline.com/a-people-history-of-koch-industries-part-ii-liber
tarian-billionaires-charles-and-david-koch-are-closetcase-subsidy-kings-w
ho-milk-big-government-tyranny-but-want-to-slash-spending-on-anyone-else/
7 Ways the Koch Bros. Benefit from Corporate Welfare
<http://truthdamntruthandstatistics.blogspot.com/2008/03/corporate-vs-soc
ial-welfare.html>
Corporate vs. Social Welfare
<http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-2
0110216>
Why Isn't Wall Street in Jail?
Then you look at Germany, as I said before. They have strong unions,
high wages, an they don't ship their jobs overseas. If Germany can do
it, why can't our politicians make it happen here?
Hint: We have the best government that money can buy.
>
> Take the tax rates to zero - abolish all income taxes - and we can use
> the free trade agreements to beat the rest of the overcompeting world
> to death. Eventually, with zero income taxes, virtually ALL
> manufacturing would be occuring within the USA. This would be the
> new, best world tax shelter.
>
> There's other stuff to tax rather than income, see www.fairtax.org. We
> could have a 3% unemployment rate within 2 years after passage of the
> Fair Tax, and put to work not only every American citizens that wants
> a GOOD manufacturing job, but every immigrant that wants to come and
> help power our industry. We could increase the population of the USA
> by 50%, and the resultant taxes on the newly-rich would eventually
> balance the budget.
>
> Its truly the economic silver bullet for this sick economy.
buy more products and make corporations rich. Win/Win.
--
E Pluribus Unum
Know where your money is tonight?
It's making the lives of Wall Street Bankers more comfortable.
The GOP is chasing us towards a cliff called "Obama."
Vote 3rd Party
Dave Head
Jun 1, 2012, 5:49:59 AM6/1/12
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On Thu, 31 May 2012 22:57:42 -0700, Billy <wild...@withoutta.net>
wrote:
>high wages,
So what? 41% of what they make goes to payroll taxes to pay for their
healthcare and other gov't services. Their take-home pay still sucks.
>an they don't ship their jobs overseas.
Yes they do. They ship them here, where they can pay their workers
less than half what they pay them at home. German auto workers: $66 /
hr at home, about $27 / hr here.
>If Germany can do
>it, why can't our politicians make it happen here?
Because of our income taxes.
>Hint: We have the best government that money can buy.
And we have the income taxes raping the USA.
>> Take the tax rates to zero - abolish all income taxes - and we can use
>> the free trade agreements to beat the rest of the overcompeting world
>> to death. Eventually, with zero income taxes, virtually ALL
>> manufacturing would be occuring within the USA. This would be the
>> new, best world tax shelter.
>>
>> There's other stuff to tax rather than income, see www.fairtax.org. We
>> could have a 3% unemployment rate within 2 years after passage of the
>> Fair Tax, and put to work not only every American citizens that wants
>> a GOOD manufacturing job, but every immigrant that wants to come and
>> help power our industry. We could increase the population of the USA
>> by 50%, and the resultant taxes on the newly-rich would eventually
>> balance the budget.
>>
>> Its truly the economic silver bullet for this sick economy.
>
>I got an idea. If we were all put to work, and were paid more, we could
>buy more products and make corporations rich. Win/Win.
Yep, and that could happen if we took the income tax rates to zero,
since manufacturing here would be profitable again.
OBTW, all those things about corporations not paying taxes are lies.
Whenever they don't pay any taxes to the US Gov't, they instead pay
those taxes to the army of lawyers and accountants that they use to do
everything exactly right all year in order to pay the absolute lowest
amount of tax to the US Gov't that they legally can. In lots of
cases, it turns out to be nearly as much as the tax itself.
Why tax corporations? Corporations don't pay taxes, they just get the
money by lowering their dividends to stockholders, paying their
employees less, or raising their prices to their customers. The
CORPORATION DOES NOT PAY ANY TAXES, EVER - it is those people I just
mentioined - customers, employees, and stockholders - that pay the
taxes. So your whole several paragraphs whining about corporations
paying taxes are a lie anyway - NO CORPORATION HAS EVER PAID ANY TAXES
- just their employees, customers, and stockholders pay those taxes.
Taxing corporations is like taxing your tools - tax your hammer, and
your hammer is less valuable to you, and you live less well because
your hammer is costing you money. Its like that with taxing
corporations - it only hurts US!
wrote:
>Then you look at Germany, as I said before. They have strong unions,
Yep.
>high wages,
So what? 41% of what they make goes to payroll taxes to pay for their
healthcare and other gov't services. Their take-home pay still sucks.
>an they don't ship their jobs overseas.
less than half what they pay them at home. German auto workers: $66 /
hr at home, about $27 / hr here.
>If Germany can do
>it, why can't our politicians make it happen here?
>Hint: We have the best government that money can buy.
>> Take the tax rates to zero - abolish all income taxes - and we can use
>> the free trade agreements to beat the rest of the overcompeting world
>> to death. Eventually, with zero income taxes, virtually ALL
>> manufacturing would be occuring within the USA. This would be the
>> new, best world tax shelter.
>>
>> There's other stuff to tax rather than income, see www.fairtax.org. We
>> could have a 3% unemployment rate within 2 years after passage of the
>> Fair Tax, and put to work not only every American citizens that wants
>> a GOOD manufacturing job, but every immigrant that wants to come and
>> help power our industry. We could increase the population of the USA
>> by 50%, and the resultant taxes on the newly-rich would eventually
>> balance the budget.
>>
>> Its truly the economic silver bullet for this sick economy.
>
>I got an idea. If we were all put to work, and were paid more, we could
>buy more products and make corporations rich. Win/Win.
since manufacturing here would be profitable again.
OBTW, all those things about corporations not paying taxes are lies.
Whenever they don't pay any taxes to the US Gov't, they instead pay
those taxes to the army of lawyers and accountants that they use to do
everything exactly right all year in order to pay the absolute lowest
amount of tax to the US Gov't that they legally can. In lots of
cases, it turns out to be nearly as much as the tax itself.
Why tax corporations? Corporations don't pay taxes, they just get the
money by lowering their dividends to stockholders, paying their
employees less, or raising their prices to their customers. The
CORPORATION DOES NOT PAY ANY TAXES, EVER - it is those people I just
mentioined - customers, employees, and stockholders - that pay the
taxes. So your whole several paragraphs whining about corporations
paying taxes are a lie anyway - NO CORPORATION HAS EVER PAID ANY TAXES
- just their employees, customers, and stockholders pay those taxes.
Taxing corporations is like taxing your tools - tax your hammer, and
your hammer is less valuable to you, and you live less well because
your hammer is costing you money. Its like that with taxing
corporations - it only hurts US!
Dave Head
Jun 1, 2012, 5:51:44 AM6/1/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:21:17 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid>
wrote:
>Per Billy:
>>Funny thing, Germany has high wages, and strong unions, and they don't
>>ship their jobs overseas. Why can't our politicians do that, huh?
>
>"The best government that money can buy...".
>
>Also, there's the educational level of the general populace.
>Their head of state is a physicist.
Yeah? Well, we once had a nuclear engineer as a President. Didn't do
us much good, did it? I mean one of the worst economic situations in
memory - Jimmy Carter.
wrote:
>Per Billy:
>>Funny thing, Germany has high wages, and strong unions, and they don't
>>ship their jobs overseas. Why can't our politicians do that, huh?
>
>"The best government that money can buy...".
>
>Also, there's the educational level of the general populace.
>Their head of state is a physicist.
Yeah? Well, we once had a nuclear engineer as a President. Didn't do
us much good, did it? I mean one of the worst economic situations in
memory - Jimmy Carter.
PrecisionmachinisT
Jun 1, 2012, 11:06:45 AM6/1/12
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"Dave Head" <rall...@att.net> wrote in message
news:jd3hs79iqkll823gs...@4ax.com...
>
> Why tax corporations? Corporations don't pay taxes, they just get the
> money by lowering their dividends to stockholders, paying their
> employees less, or raising their prices to their customers. The
> CORPORATION DOES NOT PAY ANY TAXES, EVER - it is those people I just
> mentioined - customers, employees, and stockholders - that pay the
> taxes. So your whole several paragraphs whining about corporations
> paying taxes are a lie anyway - NO CORPORATION HAS EVER PAID ANY TAXES
> - just their employees, customers, and stockholders pay those taxes.
>
If the above were true, then it could also be said that NOBODY pays any
> Why tax corporations? Corporations don't pay taxes, they just get the
> money by lowering their dividends to stockholders, paying their
> employees less, or raising their prices to their customers. The
> CORPORATION DOES NOT PAY ANY TAXES, EVER - it is those people I just
> mentioined - customers, employees, and stockholders - that pay the
> taxes. So your whole several paragraphs whining about corporations
> paying taxes are a lie anyway - NO CORPORATION HAS EVER PAID ANY TAXES
> - just their employees, customers, and stockholders pay those taxes.
>
taxes.
The Real Bev
Jun 1, 2012, 4:51:40 PM6/1/12
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--
Cheers, Bev
======================================================
I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those
censorious, self-righteous people around me.
Billy
Jun 1, 2012, 6:58:30 PM6/1/12
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In article <jqba0s$36a$1...@dont-email.me>,
then it's easy to mispronounce words when you always have your foot in
your mouth.
The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 06/01/2012 02:51 AM, Dave Head wrote:
>
> > "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid> > wrote:
> >
> >>Per Billy:
> >>>Funny thing, Germany has high wages, and strong unions, and they don't
> >>>ship their jobs overseas. Why can't our politicians do that, huh?
> >>
> >>"The best government that money can buy...".
> >>
> >>Also, there's the educational level of the general populace.
> >>Their head of state is a physicist.
> >
> > Yeah? Well, we once had a nuclear engineer as a President. Didn't do
> > us much good, did it? I mean one of the worst economic situations in
> > memory - Jimmy Carter.
>
> He pronounced it NOOK-you-ler. He clearly wasn't paying attention in class.
I'm afraid you are referring to "The Worst President Ever", Dubya. But
> On 06/01/2012 02:51 AM, Dave Head wrote:
>
> > "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid> > wrote:
> >
> >>Per Billy:
> >>>Funny thing, Germany has high wages, and strong unions, and they don't
> >>>ship their jobs overseas. Why can't our politicians do that, huh?
> >>
> >>"The best government that money can buy...".
> >>
> >>Also, there's the educational level of the general populace.
> >>Their head of state is a physicist.
> >
> > Yeah? Well, we once had a nuclear engineer as a President. Didn't do
> > us much good, did it? I mean one of the worst economic situations in
> > memory - Jimmy Carter.
>
> He pronounced it NOOK-you-ler. He clearly wasn't paying attention in class.
then it's easy to mispronounce words when you always have your foot in
your mouth.
VtSkier
Jun 1, 2012, 7:23:07 PM6/1/12
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On 6/1/2012 4:51 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 06/01/2012 02:51 AM, Dave Head wrote:
>
>> "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid> > wrote:
>>
>>> Per Billy:
>>>> Funny thing, Germany has high wages, and strong unions, and they don't
>>>> ship their jobs overseas. Why can't our politicians do that, huh?
>>>
>>> "The best government that money can buy...".
>>>
>>> Also, there's the educational level of the general populace.
>>> Their head of state is a physicist.
>>
>> Yeah? Well, we once had a nuclear engineer as a President. Didn't do
>> us much good, did it? I mean one of the worst economic situations in
>> memory - Jimmy Carter.
>
> He pronounced it NOOK-you-ler. He clearly wasn't paying attention in class.
>
>
Everybody from the south pronounces it that way. It's the way Dubya
> On 06/01/2012 02:51 AM, Dave Head wrote:
>
>> "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid> > wrote:
>>
>>> Per Billy:
>>>> Funny thing, Germany has high wages, and strong unions, and they don't
>>>> ship their jobs overseas. Why can't our politicians do that, huh?
>>>
>>> "The best government that money can buy...".
>>>
>>> Also, there's the educational level of the general populace.
>>> Their head of state is a physicist.
>>
>> Yeah? Well, we once had a nuclear engineer as a President. Didn't do
>> us much good, did it? I mean one of the worst economic situations in
>> memory - Jimmy Carter.
>
> He pronounced it NOOK-you-ler. He clearly wasn't paying attention in class.
>
>
pronounced it too.
Gunner Asch
Jun 2, 2012, 5:43:36 AM6/2/12
to
either. In fact..we havent had a murder in 3 yrs. Seems as though the
Leftwingers are all gone, and there arent anymore targets/victims/perps.
Odd how that happens when they run all the Lefties out of town. The
place cleans up, little crime, very little of any sort. Course Kern Co.
is a solidly Red county in California, 35 miles southwest of
Bakersfield. Bakersfield has a few Leftwingers..most of them live around
Cottonwood Road. (Really!).. You can find a lot of their pictures on
the mugshot websites. Now about my place...
Go to the corner of Wood and Olive, then go down Olive to the home with
all the trees, and the red and white car out front. Thats my place.
(Legend says its 322 Olive )
. Notice the black truck with the white shell on it in the side lot?
Thats mine. I own about half of the block. That big side yard is where
Im going to put up the prefab workshop, (behind the black truck).
The nice thing..is that my place is paid for. Free and clear. Only pay
property taxes. This year it was $220. Not bad for California.
I ran my address..and oddly enough..my place is one that doesnt have a
value on it. The house on the other side and down the hill is claimed to
be $275k..so Im afraid that the numbers and the data are either bogus or
badly..badly screwed up. That $275k home sold for $69k about 3 yrs ago.
Oh..that photo was done about 2004-2006. That white car belonged to a
girlfriend that I broke up with in 2008. The van in the driveway was
gone by early 2007 (gave it away to a buddy of mine to be converted into
a retirement van, and he has done about 37 or so states in it so far.
The red blob in the front yard is one of my sailboats. An AMF Force 5,
that I replaced a couple years ago with a Vangard FJ racing boat. Not
shown is my Ensenada 20, or the Hobi 16. Check down the alley. I cant
remember where I was storing it. Its now in the side lot. The back yard
of the main lot was fenced in 2008
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Yard
Needed it fenced to keep the homeless and the Leftwingers out of my
materials and valuables. Shrug. And to keep the dogs safe as well.
So, think you are ever going to move out of your momma's basement and
get your own place? Check out in Iowa or Nebraska. They will GIVE you
free and clear your own place, as long as you promise to stay for 3-5
yrs and keep the rodents and Leftwingers out.
Hummm...that might present them with a problem huh......
Gunner
Gunner Asch
Jun 2, 2012, 5:46:18 AM6/2/12
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:51:40 -0700, The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>======================================================
>I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those
>censorious, self-righteous people around me.
So you are happy being a Useful Idiot?
Gunner
wrote:
>======================================================
>I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those
>censorious, self-righteous people around me.
Gunner
Len McGoogle
Jun 2, 2012, 1:36:20 PM6/2/12
to
On Jun 1, 6:58 pm, Billy <wildbi...@withoutta.net> wrote:
> In article <jqba0s$36...@dont-email.me>,
> In article <jqba0s$36...@dont-email.me>,
> The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 06/01/2012 02:51 AM, Dave Head wrote:
>
> > > "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid> > wrote:
>
> > >>Per Billy:
> > >>>Funny thing, Germany has high wages, and strong unions, and they don't
> > >>>ship their jobs overseas. Why can't our politicians do that, huh?
>
> > >>"The best government that money can buy...".
>
> > >>Also, there's the educational level of the general populace.
> > >>Their head of state is a physicist.
>
> > > Yeah? Well, we once had a nuclear engineer as a President. Didn't do
> > > us much good, did it? I mean one of the worst economic situations in
> > > memory - Jimmy Carter.
>
> > He pronounced it NOOK-you-ler. He clearly wasn't paying attention in class.
>
> I'm afraid you are referring to "The Worst President Ever", Dubya. But
> then it's easy to mispronounce words when you always have your foot in
> your mouth.
Jimmy Carter pronounced it that way, just like she wrote.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 06/01/2012 02:51 AM, Dave Head wrote:
>
> > > "(PeteCresswell)"<x...@y.Invalid> > wrote:
>
> > >>Per Billy:
> > >>>Funny thing, Germany has high wages, and strong unions, and they don't
> > >>>ship their jobs overseas. Why can't our politicians do that, huh?
>
> > >>"The best government that money can buy...".
>
> > >>Also, there's the educational level of the general populace.
> > >>Their head of state is a physicist.
>
> > > Yeah? Well, we once had a nuclear engineer as a President. Didn't do
> > > us much good, did it? I mean one of the worst economic situations in
> > > memory - Jimmy Carter.
>
> > He pronounced it NOOK-you-ler. He clearly wasn't paying attention in class.
>
> I'm afraid you are referring to "The Worst President Ever", Dubya. But
> then it's easy to mispronounce words when you always have your foot in
> your mouth.
Len McGoogle
Jun 2, 2012, 1:38:03 PM6/2/12
to
to go on the government dole when you had surgery.
pyotr filipivich
Jun 2, 2012, 2:01:21 PM6/2/12
to
Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sat, 02 Jun 2012 02:46:18 -0700
typed in alt.machines.cnc the following:
I love the irony (and truwyneff) of that statement.
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.
typed in alt.machines.cnc the following:
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.
pyotr filipivich
Jun 2, 2012, 3:55:49 PM6/2/12
to
Len McGoogle <kaya...@gmail.com> on Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:38:03 -0700
(PDT) typed in alt.machines.cnc the following:
astonishing.
Someone on the Dole no longer has property rights. Wow, what a
compassionate reactionary Liberal you are Len old comrade.
(PDT) typed in alt.machines.cnc the following:
>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Yard
>>
>> Needed it fenced to keep the homeless and the Leftwingers out of my
>> materials and valuables. Shrug. And to keep the dogs safe as well.
>>
>> So, think you are ever going to move out of your momma's basement and
>> get your own place? Check out in Iowa or Nebraska. They will GIVE you
>> free and clear your own place, as long as you promise to stay for 3-5
>> yrs and keep the rodents and Leftwingers out.
>>
>> Hummm...that might present them with a problem huh......
>>
>> Gunner
>
>Please don't brag about owning something free and clear when you had
>to go on the government dole when you had surgery.
Oh wow. So many things wrong with that statement, it is just
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Yard
>>
>> Needed it fenced to keep the homeless and the Leftwingers out of my
>> materials and valuables. Shrug. And to keep the dogs safe as well.
>>
>> So, think you are ever going to move out of your momma's basement and
>> get your own place? Check out in Iowa or Nebraska. They will GIVE you
>> free and clear your own place, as long as you promise to stay for 3-5
>> yrs and keep the rodents and Leftwingers out.
>>
>> Hummm...that might present them with a problem huh......
>>
>> Gunner
>
>Please don't brag about owning something free and clear when you had
>to go on the government dole when you had surgery.
astonishing.
Someone on the Dole no longer has property rights. Wow, what a
compassionate reactionary Liberal you are Len old comrade.
Billy
Jun 2, 2012, 4:38:43 PM6/2/12
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In article <8rjks7588d573uvlq...@4ax.com>,
pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Gunneria Arschloch <gunneria...@gmail.com> on Sat, 02 Jun 2012 02:46:18 -0700
pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Gunneria Arschloch <gunneria...@gmail.com> on Sat, 02 Jun 2012 02:46:18 -0700
> typed in alt.machines.cnc the following:
> >On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:51:40 -0700, The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>======================================================
> >>I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those
> >>censorious, self-righteous people around me.
> >
> >So you are happy being a Useful Idiot?
>
> I love the irony (and truwyneff) of that statement.
Aber Gunneria ist nicht sinnvoll.
> >On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:51:40 -0700, The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>======================================================
> >>I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those
> >>censorious, self-righteous people around me.
> >
> >So you are happy being a Useful Idiot?
>
> I love the irony (and truwyneff) of that statement.
>
> tschus
> pyotr
> --
> pyotr
> Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
> you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
> question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
> does it take to change a lightbulb.
Tschus,
> tschus
> pyotr
> --
> pyotr
> Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
> you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
> question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
> does it take to change a lightbulb.
Gunner Asch
Jun 2, 2012, 5:38:00 PM6/2/12
to
On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:38:43 -0700, Billy <wild...@withoutta.net>
wrote:
>> >>I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those
>> >>censorious, self-righteous people around me.
>> >
>> >So you are happy being a Useful Idiot?
>>
>> I love the irony (and truwyneff) of that statement.
>Aber Gunneria ist nicht sinnvoll.
William ist ein schwuler pädophile mit wahnvorstellungen der pracht
Shrug.
Gunner
wrote:
>> >>I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those
>> >>censorious, self-righteous people around me.
>> >
>> >So you are happy being a Useful Idiot?
>>
>> I love the irony (and truwyneff) of that statement.
>Aber Gunneria ist nicht sinnvoll.
Shrug.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
Jun 2, 2012, 5:40:23 PM6/2/12
to
Gunner
pyotr filipivich
Jun 2, 2012, 6:28:43 PM6/2/12
to
Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:38:00 -0700
Gunner, Gunner, Gunner, what ever are we going to do with you? All
those years and you still can't remember that it is
"William ist ein schwuler pädophile mit wahnvorstellungen Größenwahn.
Achselzucken."
Seufzer. Obwohl "William ist ein Homosexuell Pädophilen mit
Wahnvorstellungen von Angemessenheit" ist wohl richtiger.
Noch ein Achselzucken
tschus
pyotr
learn something new everyday. Heute, so sagts man 'Meglomaniac' auf
Deutsch.
typed in alt.machines.cnc the following:
those years and you still can't remember that it is
"William ist ein schwuler pädophile mit wahnvorstellungen Größenwahn.
Achselzucken."
Seufzer. Obwohl "William ist ein Homosexuell Pädophilen mit
Wahnvorstellungen von Angemessenheit" ist wohl richtiger.
Noch ein Achselzucken
tschus
pyotr
learn something new everyday. Heute, so sagts man 'Meglomaniac' auf
Deutsch.
Billy
Jun 2, 2012, 8:52:39 PM6/2/12
to
In article <r14ls7t2hjlpmtuth...@4ax.com>,
Idiot. But then you go from Gunneria being a useless idiot to making
surmises about my sex life with no facts in evidence. Why do you two
find my sex life so interesting anyway. Is it that you find your bigoted
beliefs can't be supported with facts, so you need to change the
subject? Do you think you can stay focused on your sick racist beliefs,
or are we going to talk about my truly wonderful organ that has meant so
much, to so many?
Do you want to talk about the racism that denied people their humanity,
so that they could be abused as if they weren't human? Slavery, Jim
Crow, and the CIA dumping drugs into impoverished South Central Los
Angeles to support it's wars against nationalist trying to rid
themselves of U.S. backed dictators.
The IMF tricks learned in Central America are now being used in America
to strip us of what wealth doesn't belong to the top .1% People of color
are still being dehumanized to serve the Federal Prison Industries.
Today it's people of color, tomorrow is gonna be you, Cracker.
----
[R]ates and patterns of drug crime do not explain the glaring racial
disparities in our criminal justice system. People of all races use and
sell illegal drugs at remarkably similar rates. If there are significant
differences in the surveys to be found,they frequently suggest that
whites, particularly white youth, are more likely to engage in illegal
drug dealing than people of color.'' One study, for example, published
in 2000 by the National Institute on Drug Abuse reported that white
students use cocaine at seven times the rate of black students, use
crack cocaine at eight times the rate of black students, and use heroin
at seven times the rate of black students. That same survey revealed that
nearly identical percentages of white and black high school seniors use
marijuana. The National Household Survey on Drug Abuse reported in 2000
that white youth aged 12-17 are more than a third more likely to have
sold illegal drugs than African American youth. Thus the very same
year Human Rights Watch was reporting that African Americans were being
arrested and 'imprisoned at unprecedented rates, government data
revealed that blacks were no more likely to be guilty of drug crimes
than whites and that white youth were actually the most likely of any
racial or ethnic group to be guilty of illegal drug possession and
sales. Any notion that drug use among blacks is more severe or dangerous
is belied by the data; white youth have about three times the number of
drug-related emergency room visits as their African American
counterparts.
The racial bias inherent in the drug war is a major reason that 1 in
every 14 black men was behind bars in 2006, compared with 1 in 106 white
men. For young black men, the statistics are even worse. One in 9 black
men between the ages of twenty and thirty-five was behind bars in 2006,
and far more were under some form of penal control--such as probation or
parole. These gross racial disparities simply cannot be explained by
rates of illegal drug activity among African Americans, but they can be
explained by arbitrary enforcement by officers and prosecutors seeking
Federal financial backing which comes with arrests. Arrests, that if
they were made in "white" communities would cause a ferocious, political
backlash.
-----
<http://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/22/headlines>
Study: Half of People Falsely Convicted Are Black
New research shows half of people falsely convicted of serious crimes in
the United States in recent decades are African American. An archive
assembled by law school researchers at the University of Michigan and
Northwestern University reveals more than 2,000 people who were falsely
convicted of serious crimes have been exonerated in the past 23 years.
Of the nearly 900 for whom detailed information is available, half are
African American and more than 100 were facing death sentences. Excluded
from the registry are more than 1,100 additional defendants whose
convictions were discarded after it was revealed police officers
fabricated crimes.
A list of American martyrs, unarmed, and shot by the police.
Kenneth Chamberlain Sr.: unarmed
Oscar Grant: unarmed
Sean Bell: unarmed
Amadou Bailo Diallo: unarmed
Fred Hampton: unarmed & murdered (FBI)
Shot on the Danziger Bridge in
New Orleans by the NOPD. Again, UNARMED
17-year-old James Brissette killed
teenager Jose Holmes Jr. killed
40-year-old Ronald Madison a developmentally disabled man
who would later die from his injuries
Who are these anti-immigrant people, some kind of flag-wrapped agents
provocateur, à la COINTELPRO, trying to misdirect people's attention
away from noticing that our pockets are being picked?
Illegals are here for jobs that we don't want at wages that we won't
accept. Illegals didn't send our jobs over seas? Illegals didn't weaken
the provision on derivatives trading banning Wall Street firms from
acting as brokers. Illegals didn't start two vanity wars costing
trillion$ of dollar$ of debt and human suffering. It isn't illegals
that say that the US must spend half of the world's military budget.
Illegals don't foul forest streams with mountain top removal, so that we
can belch more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. It isn't illegals
who make nutritionless food for us to eat. It wasn't illegals that wrote
NAFTA, that lets the US dump tax subsidized corn on the Mexican market,
below the cost of production, resulting in the loss of Mexican farm
jobs, and a loss of income to agricultural families.
No, it isn't illegals who are hurting us. It¹s "White Guys in Suits".
So, if you have a bone to pick, go pick it with the "White Guys in
Suits".
You act like it was people of color, whose Ponzi scheme crashed our
economy. People of color didn't send our jobs over seas? People of
color didn't weaken the provision on derivatives trading banning Wall
Street firms from acting as brokers. People of color didn't start two
vanity wars costing trillion$ of dollar$ of debt and human suffering. It
isn't people of color that say that the US must spend half of the
world's military budget. People of color don't foul forest streams with
mountain top removal, so that we can belch more greenhouse gases into
the atmosphere. It isn't people of color who make nutritionless food for
us to eat. It wasn't people of color that wrote NAFTA, that lets the US
dump tax subsidized corn on the Mexican market, below the cost of
production, resulting in the loss of Mexican farm jobs, and a loss of
income to agricultural families.
Wall Street financial bankers that made more money in 2009, than they
did in 2008.That money, of course, was tax-payer money. Commercial banks
without money, couldn't lend money that companies traditionally used as
bridge loans, used to by raw materials, and paid back on profits of
finished goods, which resulted in lay-offs, and loss of pensions, which
lead to home foreclosures, and now an increase in poverty, and hunger.
You complain about people escaping the neo-liberal terrorism of Mexico
to work cheap, but you say nothing about the blood-suckers who got us
into the hole in which we find ourselves? And now "the best government
that money can buy" wants to start a new war with Iran, which means that
people will pull their money from investments that companies need to
operate, and put that money into something safe like gold, which won't
do society any good. If we are not very, very lucky, the whole damn
economy could collapse, and you'll be out in the street trying to sell
your sorry ass for something to eat. And the prisons will fill with more
hard working slaves.
When that happens, everything will be cheap, and the .1% will pick it up
for a song, and you'll be just another serf.
We need to be clear that racism is a working class issue. Racism is a
way to attack our solidarity as citizens. As long as we allow racism to
exist, we will face our enemies (the greedy class) divided and weakened.
pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:38:00 -0700
> typed in alt.machines.cnc the following:
> >On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:38:43 -0700, Billy <wild...@withoutta.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>> >>I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those
> >>> >>censorious, self-righteous people around me.
> >>> >
> >>> >So you are happy being a Useful Idiot?
> >>>
> >>> I love the irony (and truwyneff) of that statement.
> >>Aber Gunneria ist nicht sinnvoll.
> >
> >William ist ein schwuler pädophile mit wahnvorstellungen der pracht
> >
> >Shrug.
>
> Gunner, Gunner, Gunner, what ever are we going to do with you? All
> those years and you still can't remember that it is
>
> "William ist ein schwuler pädophile mit wahnvorstellungen Größenwahn.
>
> Achselzucken."
>
> Seufzer. Obwohl "William ist ein Homosexuell Pädophilen mit
> Wahnvorstellungen von Angemessenheit" ist wohl richtiger.
>
> Noch ein Achselzucken
>
Ich sagte, dass nicht Gunnaria ist ein nützlicher Idiot. Er ist nur ein
> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:38:00 -0700
> typed in alt.machines.cnc the following:
> >On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:38:43 -0700, Billy <wild...@withoutta.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>> >>I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those
> >>> >>censorious, self-righteous people around me.
> >>> >
> >>> >So you are happy being a Useful Idiot?
> >>>
> >>> I love the irony (and truwyneff) of that statement.
> >>Aber Gunneria ist nicht sinnvoll.
> >
> >William ist ein schwuler pädophile mit wahnvorstellungen der pracht
> >
> >Shrug.
>
> Gunner, Gunner, Gunner, what ever are we going to do with you? All
> those years and you still can't remember that it is
>
> "William ist ein schwuler pädophile mit wahnvorstellungen Größenwahn.
>
> Achselzucken."
>
> Seufzer. Obwohl "William ist ein Homosexuell Pädophilen mit
> Wahnvorstellungen von Angemessenheit" ist wohl richtiger.
>
> Noch ein Achselzucken
>
Idiot. But then you go from Gunneria being a useless idiot to making
surmises about my sex life with no facts in evidence. Why do you two
find my sex life so interesting anyway. Is it that you find your bigoted
beliefs can't be supported with facts, so you need to change the
subject? Do you think you can stay focused on your sick racist beliefs,
or are we going to talk about my truly wonderful organ that has meant so
much, to so many?
Do you want to talk about the racism that denied people their humanity,
so that they could be abused as if they weren't human? Slavery, Jim
Crow, and the CIA dumping drugs into impoverished South Central Los
Angeles to support it's wars against nationalist trying to rid
themselves of U.S. backed dictators.
The IMF tricks learned in Central America are now being used in America
to strip us of what wealth doesn't belong to the top .1% People of color
are still being dehumanized to serve the Federal Prison Industries.
Today it's people of color, tomorrow is gonna be you, Cracker.
----
[R]ates and patterns of drug crime do not explain the glaring racial
disparities in our criminal justice system. People of all races use and
sell illegal drugs at remarkably similar rates. If there are significant
differences in the surveys to be found,they frequently suggest that
whites, particularly white youth, are more likely to engage in illegal
drug dealing than people of color.'' One study, for example, published
in 2000 by the National Institute on Drug Abuse reported that white
students use cocaine at seven times the rate of black students, use
crack cocaine at eight times the rate of black students, and use heroin
at seven times the rate of black students. That same survey revealed that
nearly identical percentages of white and black high school seniors use
marijuana. The National Household Survey on Drug Abuse reported in 2000
that white youth aged 12-17 are more than a third more likely to have
sold illegal drugs than African American youth. Thus the very same
year Human Rights Watch was reporting that African Americans were being
arrested and 'imprisoned at unprecedented rates, government data
revealed that blacks were no more likely to be guilty of drug crimes
than whites and that white youth were actually the most likely of any
racial or ethnic group to be guilty of illegal drug possession and
sales. Any notion that drug use among blacks is more severe or dangerous
is belied by the data; white youth have about three times the number of
drug-related emergency room visits as their African American
counterparts.
The racial bias inherent in the drug war is a major reason that 1 in
every 14 black men was behind bars in 2006, compared with 1 in 106 white
men. For young black men, the statistics are even worse. One in 9 black
men between the ages of twenty and thirty-five was behind bars in 2006,
and far more were under some form of penal control--such as probation or
parole. These gross racial disparities simply cannot be explained by
rates of illegal drug activity among African Americans, but they can be
explained by arbitrary enforcement by officers and prosecutors seeking
Federal financial backing which comes with arrests. Arrests, that if
they were made in "white" communities would cause a ferocious, political
backlash.
-----
<http://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/22/headlines>
Study: Half of People Falsely Convicted Are Black
New research shows half of people falsely convicted of serious crimes in
the United States in recent decades are African American. An archive
assembled by law school researchers at the University of Michigan and
Northwestern University reveals more than 2,000 people who were falsely
convicted of serious crimes have been exonerated in the past 23 years.
Of the nearly 900 for whom detailed information is available, half are
African American and more than 100 were facing death sentences. Excluded
from the registry are more than 1,100 additional defendants whose
convictions were discarded after it was revealed police officers
fabricated crimes.
A list of American martyrs, unarmed, and shot by the police.
Kenneth Chamberlain Sr.: unarmed
Oscar Grant: unarmed
Sean Bell: unarmed
Amadou Bailo Diallo: unarmed
Fred Hampton: unarmed & murdered (FBI)
Shot on the Danziger Bridge in
New Orleans by the NOPD. Again, UNARMED
17-year-old James Brissette killed
teenager Jose Holmes Jr. killed
40-year-old Ronald Madison a developmentally disabled man
who would later die from his injuries
Who are these anti-immigrant people, some kind of flag-wrapped agents
provocateur, à la COINTELPRO, trying to misdirect people's attention
away from noticing that our pockets are being picked?
Illegals are here for jobs that we don't want at wages that we won't
accept. Illegals didn't send our jobs over seas? Illegals didn't weaken
the provision on derivatives trading banning Wall Street firms from
acting as brokers. Illegals didn't start two vanity wars costing
trillion$ of dollar$ of debt and human suffering. It isn't illegals
that say that the US must spend half of the world's military budget.
Illegals don't foul forest streams with mountain top removal, so that we
can belch more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. It isn't illegals
who make nutritionless food for us to eat. It wasn't illegals that wrote
NAFTA, that lets the US dump tax subsidized corn on the Mexican market,
below the cost of production, resulting in the loss of Mexican farm
jobs, and a loss of income to agricultural families.
No, it isn't illegals who are hurting us. It¹s "White Guys in Suits".
So, if you have a bone to pick, go pick it with the "White Guys in
Suits".
You act like it was people of color, whose Ponzi scheme crashed our
economy. People of color didn't send our jobs over seas? People of
color didn't weaken the provision on derivatives trading banning Wall
Street firms from acting as brokers. People of color didn't start two
vanity wars costing trillion$ of dollar$ of debt and human suffering. It
isn't people of color that say that the US must spend half of the
world's military budget. People of color don't foul forest streams with
mountain top removal, so that we can belch more greenhouse gases into
the atmosphere. It isn't people of color who make nutritionless food for
us to eat. It wasn't people of color that wrote NAFTA, that lets the US
dump tax subsidized corn on the Mexican market, below the cost of
production, resulting in the loss of Mexican farm jobs, and a loss of
income to agricultural families.
Wall Street financial bankers that made more money in 2009, than they
did in 2008.That money, of course, was tax-payer money. Commercial banks
without money, couldn't lend money that companies traditionally used as
bridge loans, used to by raw materials, and paid back on profits of
finished goods, which resulted in lay-offs, and loss of pensions, which
lead to home foreclosures, and now an increase in poverty, and hunger.
You complain about people escaping the neo-liberal terrorism of Mexico
to work cheap, but you say nothing about the blood-suckers who got us
into the hole in which we find ourselves? And now "the best government
that money can buy" wants to start a new war with Iran, which means that
people will pull their money from investments that companies need to
operate, and put that money into something safe like gold, which won't
do society any good. If we are not very, very lucky, the whole damn
economy could collapse, and you'll be out in the street trying to sell
your sorry ass for something to eat. And the prisons will fill with more
hard working slaves.
When that happens, everything will be cheap, and the .1% will pick it up
for a song, and you'll be just another serf.
We need to be clear that racism is a working class issue. Racism is a
way to attack our solidarity as citizens. As long as we allow racism to
exist, we will face our enemies (the greedy class) divided and weakened.
Tom $herman (-_-)
Jun 2, 2012, 10:38:00 PM6/2/12
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over-charging the government for services, and by other forms of
corporate welfare.
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Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
Gunner Asch
Jun 3, 2012, 1:13:50 AM6/3/12
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:28:43 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:38:00 -0700
>typed in alt.machines.cnc the following:
>>On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:38:43 -0700, Billy <wild...@withoutta.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>> >>I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those
>>>> >>censorious, self-righteous people around me.
>>>> >
>>>> >So you are happy being a Useful Idiot?
>>>>
>>>> I love the irony (and truwyneff) of that statement.
>>>Aber Gunneria ist nicht sinnvoll.
>>
>>William ist ein schwuler pädophile mit wahnvorstellungen der pracht
>>
>>Shrug.
>
> Gunner, Gunner, Gunner, what ever are we going to do with you? All
>those years and you still can't remember that it is
>
>"William ist ein schwuler pädophile mit wahnvorstellungen Größenwahn.
>
>Achselzucken."
>
>Seufzer. Obwohl "William ist ein Homosexuell Pädophilen mit
>Wahnvorstellungen von Angemessenheit" ist wohl richtiger.
>
>Noch ein Achselzucken
>
>tschus
>pyotr
Ach! Jah...sigh.
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:38:00 -0700
>typed in alt.machines.cnc the following:
>>On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:38:43 -0700, Billy <wild...@withoutta.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>> >>I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those
>>>> >>censorious, self-righteous people around me.
>>>> >
>>>> >So you are happy being a Useful Idiot?
>>>>
>>>> I love the irony (and truwyneff) of that statement.
>>>Aber Gunneria ist nicht sinnvoll.
>>
>>William ist ein schwuler pädophile mit wahnvorstellungen der pracht
>>
>>Shrug.
>
> Gunner, Gunner, Gunner, what ever are we going to do with you? All
>those years and you still can't remember that it is
>
>"William ist ein schwuler pädophile mit wahnvorstellungen Größenwahn.
>
>Achselzucken."
>
>Seufzer. Obwohl "William ist ein Homosexuell Pädophilen mit
>Wahnvorstellungen von Angemessenheit" ist wohl richtiger.
>
>Noch ein Achselzucken
>
>tschus
>pyotr
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