R-22 Helicopter crashes in Vegas
Badwater Bill
This is the response I posted to alt.aviation.fun tonight. I thought
I'd share it with you and the rotorcraft group.
------Bill
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:44:35 -0800, Jerry Springer
<jsf...@teleport.com> wrote:
>Bill
>Was that you or some of your buddies that crashed the R-22 in Vagas?
>Just saw it on the news.
Yep. That was my flight instructor. They came out here to the house
and flew off to the west. He was checking out another CFI in the
helicopter and wanted to bring him into my pad. Just after they left
they went out to practice 180 autorotations. The new CFI couldn't do
them worth a shit, so Chris (my CFI) did about three with him and was
going to bust him for the job here. They guy just couldn't get the
autos together. On the last one they got low rotor rpm at the bottom
in the flare. Chris tried to roll on power to join the needles but the
other guy was a big guy and sort of froze on the throttle/collective.
Chris told us that he tried to pull back on the cyclic and drop the
collective plus roll on the throttle. The horn was blowing for the
low rotor rpm all the way. They were heavy, the density altitued was
about 3500 feet and the new CFI was used to Seattle and sea level. The
big guy did the opposite move for some strange reason. He pushed on
the cyclic and pulled on the collective making things worse...then he
rolled the power the wrong way. Everything backwards. That R-22 just
mussed into the ground and totalled itself.
In a selfish sense, that was the helicopter I've been flying over the
past two weeks. I was going to get my "Renters" insurance to cover me
on the $15,000 deductible and have Chris sign me off for solo in that
ship at 8 am this morning. That obviously didn't happen. Chris has
some back injuries of some sort the last time I talked with them about
4 this afternoon. Who knows what will happen now.
They do have two other helicopters but the guy who runs the school may
just decide to throw in the towel on rotorwings. He makes a lot of
money on the fixed wings and crashing helicopters at $15,000 a pop
digs into profits real fast. This is the second crash in a flight
school's helicotper by two CFI's in the cockpit here. In fact the
only crashes here have always involved two CFI's in the cockpit. No
student or renter has ever crashed.
Bill
kensan...@my-deja.com
I just told another "Bill" that renter's insurance doesn't exist and
you mention it here. Is it really "renter's insurance" or your
insurance with this particular ship? Even if generally available, I
guess a 15K deductible would kill it for most people. Thanks.
Ken J. - Sand in my Eggos
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BOb U.
>Bill,
>
>I just told another "Bill" that renter's insurance doesn't exist and
>you mention it here. Is it really "renter's insurance" or your
>insurance with this particular ship? Even if generally available, I
>guess a 15K deductible would kill it for most people. Thanks.
>
>Ken J. - Sand in my Eggos
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
How 'bout some crow with a pinch of salt in your eggos, too. <g>
There really, really really is renters insurance.
I first got involved with it in the world of sailplanes some years ago.
Without it, when one rents a plane...
and tears it up and it is insured by the owner....
expect their insurance company to pay you a visit to recollect.
If you have assets and no renters insurance, you could be at risk.
If I'm wrong...
NEVER MIND. <g>
BOb U.
Badwater Bill
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>How 'bout some crow with a pinch of salt in your eggos, too. <g>
>
>There really, really really is renters insurance.
>I first got involved with it in the world of sailplanes some years ago.
>
>Without it, when one rents a plane...
>and tears it up and it is insured by the owner....
>expect their insurance company to pay you a visit to recollect.
>If you have assets and no renters insurance, you could be at risk.
>
>If I'm wrong...
>NEVER MIND. <g>
>
>
>BOb U.
Bob:
I've looked around and I've called our boy about it too. He has no
solution. I know the cost of it is about $750/yr to cover the $15k
deductible on the Robie. I have heard that AVEMCO has it. Do you
have any other ideas you cheap old bastard? You have already saved me
thousands with JT Helms. I have three Comanche's and the RV-6 insured
with him. I was paying $500/yr more on each of the Comanche's and
abou $400 more on the RV-6. Thanks to you I can afford to buy Xmas
presents for myself now.
BWB
Capt.Doug
>On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:18:29 GMT,
>NEVER MIND. <g>
You're more right about this than about presidential election outcomes!
Renter's insurance does exist. The cost has risen quite a bit lately, but it
is still the best deal going if one wants to protect one's assets.
D.
Badwater Bill
I know it exists too but is AVEMCO the only place Doug?
Bill
El Roto
Bill Phillips wrote:
snip
> Thanks to you I can afford to buy Xmas presents for myself now.
Good thing. I'm bettin' your sparkling personality is a 100% effective
preventative of someone else buyin' you one. <wink>
Steve "Gonna get my ass kicked at PJY fer shur" G.
Capt.Doug
>I know it exists too but is AVEMCO the only place Doug?
I'd have to research that. I haven't carried it since I bought my first
plane in '92. I do know that there are only three underwriters (in this area
anyway) for part 135 operators. One of those underwriters won't touch any
plane over 30 years old. Another will drop you after you file the first
claim. Air freight in this area is down 60% from last year for both big and
small air freight operators because of insurance and fuel costs. Insurance
for the Twin Beeches has nearly doubled this year.
D.
kenj_sa...@my-deja.com
for helicopters, not sailplanes or fixed-wing. Nah-na-na-na-nah.
Kenster J.
In article <lurn3tgumj7q9ti8n...@4ax.com>,
kenj_sa...@my-deja.com
who writes renter's insurance for helis that an average renter can
afford. A 15 grand deductible is not realistic for an average renter.
Avemco told me not too long ago that they will not insure ANY
rotorcraft at all.
Ken J. - Sam, she may blow!
In article <XkW_5.2050$GQ1.1...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Roger Halstead
about as long as I've been a pilot. That's in addition to the insurance I
carry on my plane.
Some companies will cover you on rental aircraft in addition to your own and
some won't
--
Roger Halstead (K8RI) www.RogerHalstead.com
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