Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush? (ATC Privatization)
Larry Dighera
Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
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AOPA ePilot Volume 5, Issue 24 June 13, 2003
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==> GA NEWS <==
BUSH ADMINISTRATION THREATENS TO VETO FAA FUNDING BILL
The White House is threatening to veto the FAA reauthorization
bill because it would prohibit the FAA from privatizing air
traffic control.The bill, approved by the U.S. House of
Representatives on Wednesday, includes language from Rep. James
Oberstar (D-Minn.) that would prohibit outsourcing ATC to the
private sector. "The administration's tough stance
leaves nothing to the imagination of those of us in aviation who
fear a privately run air traffic system--not to mention the
airline control of such--and the fees that would go with
privatization," said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "It's clear what
their agenda really is." But the bill does include several
AOPA-backed provisions that address issues of interest
to general aviation pilots, including a fix for the "pilot
insecurity rule," the Meigs Field legacy provision that would
protect airports from sudden closure, and a requirement to justify
the Washington Metropolitan Air Defense Identification Zone
(ADIZ). Meanwhile, AOPA worked hard Thursday afternoon to get
antiprivatization language passed in the Senate by supporting an
amendment offered by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.). That
amendment was passed 56 to 41. For more, see AOPA Online
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2003/03-2-194.html ).
Thomas J. Paladino Jr.
> Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
Yep. I sure am. We would all be in the process of converting to Islam right
now if Algore was in office.
There's a lot more to life than ATC privatization.
Steven P. McNicoll
"Larry Dighera" <LDig...@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
>
Looking at the big picture and the alternative to Bush, yes. Absolutely.
No question about it. Yes.
Chip Jones
"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." <tpal...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
>
> Yep. I sure am. We would all be in the process of converting to Islam
right
> now if Algore was in office.
>
> There's a lot more to life than ATC privatization.
>
Yep, there is. Unfortunately, there's also a lot more to life then personal
flying too. Privatize ATC and GA is gonna be the first casualty... Terrible
idea.
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And probably this coming election too. The Dem's don't seem to have any
real leaders or any real vision anymore. At least with Bush you know what
the man stands for, even if you disagree with it. :-(
Oh well, Boeing (or Acme, or Lockmart) Air Traffic Services Corporation here
we come. Managed, of course, by the same honest executives who run the
airlines. I'm sure public user fees will *never* go to pad the pension
funds of these stalwart tycoons. I'm sure these suits will place the ATC
service needs of General and Business Aviation at the cornerstone of their
corporate philosophy, second only to the "national security" needs of all
200 of our largest cities with airline service...
Mike Rapoport
and controllers to be privitized?
Mike
MU-2
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Steven P. McNicoll
"Mike Rapoport" <rapo...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
> Does anybody know why iit was better for screeners to be federal employees
>
It's because federal government employees do a better job than private
sector employees..
>
> and controllers to be privitized?
>
It's because private sector employees do a better job than federal
government employees.
G.R. Patterson III
Larry Dighera wrote:
>
> Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
Sure am.
George Patterson
The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The
pessimist is afraid that he's correct.
James Branch Cavel
G.R. Patterson III
Chip Jones wrote:
>
> Oh well, Boeing (or Acme, or Lockmart) Air Traffic Services Corporation here
> we come.
Refresh my memory. What sort of plurality do we need in Congress to override
a veto?
Jay Masino
> Refresh my memory. What sort of plurality do we need in Congress to override
> a veto?
I believe 2/3rds.
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"G.R. Patterson III" <grpp...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Refresh my memory. What sort of plurality do we need in Congress to override
> a veto?
2/3 is the number that comes to mind.
--
Larry Fransson
Seattle, WA
Thomas J. Paladino Jr.
Well, I suppose that the conventional wisdom says that anything
security-related is best handled by the government, and just about
everything else is best handled by the pirvate sector. But then again, ATC
wasn't around when they wrote the constution.
Gary L. Drescher
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> Refresh my memory. What sort of plurality do we need in Congress to
override
> a veto?
It takes a supermajority: 2/3 of each house of Congress.
Article I, Section 7, Clause 2
(http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html).
--Gary
Steven P. McNicoll
>
> Well, I suppose that the conventional wisdom says that anything
> security-related is best handled by the government, and just about
> everything else is best handled by the pirvate sector. But then again, ATC
> wasn't around when they wrote the constution.
>
Federalizing screeners has certainly made the process more expensive,
there's no evidence that there has been any improvement.
Steven P. McNicoll
override
> a veto?
>
No sort of plurality, a two-thirds majority vote of the House and Senate is
required to override a veto.
plurality
n : (in an election with more than 2 options) the number of votes for the
candidate or party receiving the greatest number (but less that half of the
votes) [syn: relative majority]
Larry Dighera
<tpal...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>> Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
>
>Yep. I sure am. We would all be in the process of converting to Islam right
>now if Algore was in office.
So, now that you've voted the mindless puppet and his band of
pseudoreligous thieves into control of this noble nation, how will you
restrain his influence peddling, Constitution scuttling revocation of
civil rights, vengeful, self interested, behavior?
Fortunately political parties other than the GOP and Democratic exist
in this country. Unfortunately we citizens have been too inculcated
by the media to dump the corrupt politicians of the two major
political parties. Perhaps the time has come to make ourselves heard,
and vote the bums out of office.
Just a thought. :-)
"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to
explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being
the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say
something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation. "
-- George Bush Jr. as reported in the Washington Post
Larry Dighera
<rapo...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Does anybody know why iit was better for screeners to be federal employees
>and controllers to be privitized?
It could be, because the airlines wanted to shift responsibility for
security to the government while wresting control of the skies from
our grip. It smells like Boeing's influence to me.
How many billions of dollars in support are the airlines seeking from
the government now? Shameful hubris.
Mike Rapoport
Mike
MU-2
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skyking_2k
office who has no qualms about chipping away at our ciil rights.
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Steven P. McNicoll
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>
> I take then you like having a dictator and a nazi like administration in
> office who has no qualms about chipping away at our ciil rights.
>
No, but I know that historically our rights have suffered far more during
Democrat control of government than during Republican control.
Michael
> The White House is threatening to veto the FAA reauthorization
> bill because it would prohibit the FAA from privatizing air
> traffic control.
I seem to remember that when something like this happens, all
non-essential personnel are sent home. Given that at the FAA this is
everyone except ATC, well, I just don't see the downside.
Michael
Orval Fairbairn
Larry Dighera <LDig...@att.net> wrote:
I am not overly happy about Bush II, but firmly believe that we would be
in far deeper doo-doo had Gore been elected. We would have tha likes of
Mayor Daley or Barbara Boxer, who frequently refers to us derisively as
"hobby pilots", calling the shots.
Dose anyone really think that we would have been back in the air so soon
after 9/11 with a Gore administration?
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Matthew P. Cummings
> So, now that you've voted the mindless puppet and his band of
> pseudoreligous thieves into control of this noble nation, how will you
And I suppose the previous administration had a spotless reputation and
never ever did anything wrong and that his staff that had to go was just
unfairly judged?
What proof do you offer that his administration is corrupt and he's a
puppet ruler? I.e. I want a list that's verified by a paper trail that
can be researched to prove it's truth. I.e. court documents would do
nicely.
Steven P. McNicoll
"Martin Hotze" <martin...@hotze.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> Hell, the USA is the only western country in the world that still builds
> huge churches like other countries did some hundred years ago.
>
How many such churches?
Thomas J. Paladino Jr.
> office who has no qualms about chipping away at our ciil rights.
LOL.... "nazi like"
You are a total fucking asshole.
You degrade the currency of the term 'nazi' and trivialize the atrocities of
the actual Nazi's by comparing them in any way, shape or form to the Bush
administration. It would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic, and, quite
frankly, dangerous.
Last time I checked, Bush wasn't stuffing people into ovens. And even in his
best-case scenario, he only has another six years in office. You only reveal
your own ignorance by making such bizarre and irresponsible statements.
'Vejita' S. Cousin
skyking_2k <som...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>I take then you like having a dictator and a nazi like administration in
>office who has no qualms about chipping away at our ciil rights.
You say this as if every President since JFK hasn't been doing the same.
In the US our rights are not given to us nor granted. The government is
in the busy of taking away rights. The question is how far and how fast.
For example, guns (hey someone had to bring it up). Why should the
rights of citizens that follow the law, have no criminal record, be taken
away? Because it makes us feel better? It produces a more 'moral
society'?
Planes are the same way. Just 'a bunch of rich people joy riding
through the sky, and on my tax dollars to boot.' The truth is that all of
our rights have been getting more and more confided and defined with time,
in a lot of activities. People are just starting to notice more know
(IMHO) because activities that they actually care aboure (eg. school,
security, TV/radio broadcast rights, etc) are being affected.
Put the Dems in power and they'll do the same thing. Maybe screw us
over different issues, but the end result is the same.
Thomas J. Paladino Jr.
"Martin Hotze" <martin...@hotze.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> > > Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
> >
right
> > now if Algore was in office.
>
>
> huge churches like other countries did some hundred years ago.
> state) - horrible.
So we should outlaw church building?
What point are you attempting to make here?
At least in our churches we don't force people to attend, then teach
worshipers to strap explosives to themselves and blow up coffee shops full
of Jews.
>
> > There's a lot more to life than ATC privatization.
>
> for sure.
>
> #m
> --
> What are they afraid of?
> http://www.abc.net.au/ra/newstories/RANewsStories_879139.htm
> http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-nato13.html
III
He's done a great job of dragging the country along in his direction.
If only he had some foresight and a sense of integrity.
He's the man who unleashed looters in a country that he said has
weapons of mass destruction. He's accelerating the transfer of wealth
from the middle class to the rich, and he presented trumped up
evidence of nuclear materials to the U.N. and the world. Most
impressively, he's got average americans convinced that he's on their
side!
Look at how effective he just was with his peace initiative with
Israel and the Palestinians.
Larry Dighera
<martin...@hotze.invalid> wrote:
>Hell, the USA is the only western country in the world that still builds
>huge churches like other countries did some hundred years ago.
>there was a TV documentation about the religious led country USA (God
>state) - horrible
"The United States is in no sense founded upon
the Christian doctrine." - George Washington,
Larry Dighera
<martin...@hotze.invalid> wrote:
>Mindcontrol is just around the corner. Be prepared.
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both
instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly
unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware
of change in the air however slight lest we become unwitting victims
of the darkness."
~ William O. Douglas, Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court
Thomas J. Paladino Jr.
"Martin Hotze" <martin...@hotze.invalid> wrote in message
> "Thomas J. Paladino Jr." <tpal...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
> > > >
> > > > Yep. I sure am. We would all be in the process of converting to
Islam
> > right
> > > > now if Algore was in office.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hell, the USA is the only western country in the world that still
builds
> > > huge churches like other countries did some hundred years ago.
> > > there was a TV documentation about the religious led country USA (God
> > > state) - horrible.
> >
> > So we should outlaw church building?
> >
>
>
> but maybe you should divide state and church better.
Why? It seems to be divided just fine to me. This country was founded on
Judeo-Christian values, and should be recognized as such. People like you
want to remove religion from any context in any public forum.
>
> Every second term is "with the help of God" and "our prayers go there
> and there". This is OK as long as this is in private. But the USA is on
> its best way to a God state.
Actually, if you look at the history of our country, the exact opposite is
true. The references to God and religion in our public forums has been
sharply reduced in the last fifty or so years. Congress used to open with
prayers, as did many public schools. The president used to regularly call on
the American people to pray in times of crisis, and invoke the name of God
far more than is done today.
You want to scare people out of supporting conservatives by telling them
that we are on our way to a theocracy, when that is simply not the case, and
history proves it. It really is just silly.
>
> > What point are you attempting to make here?
> >
> > At least in our churches we don't force people to attend, then teach
> > worshipers to strap explosives to themselves and blow up coffee shops
full
> > of Jews.
>
> you know how to differentiate between radical groups (misusing a
> religion)?
Yes I do.
> You know that there are only Jews blown up?
It dosen't matter; they are certainly the intended targets.
> And you for sure
> don't care about the missiles fired from helicopters ...
No, I don't. The palestinians are getting what they deserve for supporting
terrorists like Hamas.
> And: to hell with the Israelis and with the american support down there.
> The Israelis haven't learned a thing out of their own history.
They learned that the Arabs and Europeans want them all to die. And they are
responding accordingly. Good for them.
>
>
> Or do you want to talk about american bulldozers in Israel?
> try:
> <http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=usa&q=american+bulldozers+in+I
> srael>
>
Again, what is your point? I have absolutely no problem with any of that.
The palestinians are getting what they deserve for supporting terrorists
like Hamas. As tragic as it all is, I simply don't feel any guilt whatsoever
over it. In fact, we should support Israel in every way possible. Let them
level the palestinian cities. Maybe then the terrorists won't be able to
hide.
Jack Allison
right
> now if Algore was in office.
Ditto. If Algore was in office, we'd have to be open and understanding in a
new era of "tolerance" toward folks like those who hijacked those airplanes
on 9/11. I'm sure they were just expressing their 1st amendments
rights...oh, wait, they weren't citizens...well, no matter, they were just
expressing their view. I can just hear Algore's response to 9/11. Nope,
I'll take George jr. any day
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Gore was a tragedy waiting to happen?
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Billy Mitchel
Larry Dighera
<ewar...@houston.com> wrote:
>If only there had been a better choice from the Democrats, ...
There were better choices from other political parties. But, few have
the courage to escape from the dogma of the GOP and Democrats.
Thomas J. Paladino Jr.
Who? Nader? Buchanan? That other loon?
Please. I would sooner jump off the Empire State Building than live in a
country run by that lunatic Nader.
Bojangles
at home. And yes, occasionally I listen to Rush. 90% of what he says is
conservative spin in the craziest sense of the word.
I once thought voting for Gore would have been a mistake. But, in light of
Bush and his administration's actions since 9/11 I've come to seriously
reconsider my voting habits.
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Bojangles
The handling of our nation's security pre 9/11 should have changed
conventional wisdom. The handling of our nation's security post 9/11 should
have convinced the remaining believers in conventional wisdom otherwise.
Bojangles
> Mayor Daley or Barbara Boxer, who frequently refers to us derisively as
> "hobby pilots", calling the shots.
At least they recognize we're pilots. What does Bush refer to us as?
> Dose anyone really think that we would have been back in the air so soon
> after 9/11 with a Gore administration?
Go ask Mr. Owl. We'll never know.
Bojangles
Anyone is a fool to believe Bush is on anyone's side but, his and his
corporate buddies. All it takes is common sense to see the proof.
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Bush
too, only problem is that he got stuck between two bushes.
Have a great one!
Bush
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:53:56 GMT, Larry Dighera <LDig...@att.net>
wrote:
>
>Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
>
>
Flyer22A
NYUK NYUK ...
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Les
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> "Larry Dighera" <LDig...@att.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
> >
>
Flyer22A
low-life employees.
I think the powers that be should federalize car salesmen, insurance
salesmen and tele-marketers too.
"Mike Rapoport" <rapo...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Does anybody know why iit was better for screeners to be federal employees
> and controllers to be privitized?
>
> Mike
> MU-2
Flyer22A
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> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:38:34 -0700, "Mike Rapoport"
> <rapo...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Does anybody know why iit was better for screeners to be federal
employees
> >and controllers to be privitized?
>
>
> It could be, because the airlines wanted to shift responsibility for
> security to the government while wresting control of the skies from
> our grip. It smells like Boeing's influence to me.
>
> How many billions of dollars in support are the airlines seeking from
> the government now? Shameful hubris.
Flyer22A
Let's see, freedom of speech is gone, in fact, in some states if one uses a
certain word that begins with the 14th letter of the alphabet one can be
arrested for racial harassment.
Freedom of movement - Try flying around Washington DC ...
There are more, I bet.
Oh yeah, I remember another - taxes ... This one kinda takes all of the
freedoms away at once.
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Flyer22A
I can't wait to see how this spins out ...
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Jeffrey Morley
> There were better choices from other political parties. But, few have
> the courage to escape from the dogma of the GOP and Democrats.
>
So you are voting for Lyndon LaRouche next time around?
--
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Student Pilot - Cessna 172R
JYO - Leesburg, Virginia, USA
John Harlow
> too, only problem is that he got stuck between two bushes.
Someone finally posted something worth reading. Hilarious!
Jeffrey Morley
>
> Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
>
>
I sure am. I shudder to think how Gore would have handled things.
Jeffrey Morley
> LOL.... "nazi like"
>
> You are a total fucking asshole.
>
> You degrade the currency of the term 'nazi' and trivialize the
> atrocities of the actual Nazi's by comparing them in any way, shape or
> form to the Bush administration. It would be laughable if it weren't
> so pathetic, and, quite frankly, dangerous.
>
> Last time I checked, Bush wasn't stuffing people into ovens. And even
> in his best-case scenario, he only has another six years in office.
> You only reveal your own ignorance by making such bizarre and
> irresponsible statements.
>
Thank you Thomas, this nutcase and Martin too!
Jeffrey Morley
news:w8sGa.137$vb7....@news.uswest.net:
> Let's see, freedom of speech is gone, in fact, in some states if one
> uses a certain word that begins with the 14th letter of the alphabet
> one can be arrested for racial harassment.
>
What does that have to do with Bush? You are really a pimple-head.
Jeffrey Morley
@news.uswest.net:
> Oh yeah, I remember another - taxes ... This one kinda takes all of the
> freedoms away at once.
>
Yeah, blame Bush for raising your taxes. Jeesus, whata pantsload you
are...
Doug
"Mike Rapoport" <rapo...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Does anybody know why iit was better for screeners to be federal employees
> and controllers to be privitized?
>
> Mike
> MU-2
>
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> > > "Larry Dighera" <LDig...@att.net> wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Looking at the big picture and the alternative to Bush, yes.
> Absolutely.
> > > No question about it. Yes.
> > >
> >
> > And probably this coming election too. The Dem's don't seem to have any
> > real leaders or any real vision anymore. At least with Bush you know
what
> > the man stands for, even if you disagree with it. :-(
> >
> > Oh well, Boeing (or Acme, or Lockmart) Air Traffic Services Corporation
> here
> > we come. Managed, of course, by the same honest executives who run the
> > airlines. I'm sure public user fees will *never* go to pad the pension
> > funds of these stalwart tycoons. I'm sure these suits will place the
ATC
> > service needs of General and Business Aviation at the cornerstone of
their
> > corporate philosophy, second only to the "national security" needs of
all
> > 200 of our largest cities with airline service...
> >
> >
> > Chip, ZTL
> >
> >
> >
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Bob Noel
<pilo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What civil rights are left to be "chipped away at?"
>
> Let's see, freedom of speech is gone, in fact, in some states if one uses
> a
> certain word that begins with the 14th letter of the alphabet one can be
> arrested for racial harassment.
>
> Freedom of movement - Try flying around Washington DC ...
try flying around the grand canyon. are you going to blame that
on Bush too?
--
Bob Noel
Capt. Doug
Remember the alternative? Bore/Loserman. Would the situation have been any
better? I think not. The major airlines are behind user fees. They will
pressure whoever is in office, republican or democrat.
Bush isn't perfect, but he hasn't tried to take away my guns.
D.
randall g
<gum2...@nospammindspring.com> wrote:
>
>"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." <tpal...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:U%kGa.13841$Fu.41...@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>>
>> > Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
>>
>> Yep. I sure am. We would all be in the process of converting to Islam
>right
>> now if Algore was in office.
>>
>> There's a lot more to life than ATC privatization.
>>
>
>Yep, there is. Unfortunately, there's also a lot more to life then personal
>flying too. Privatize ATC and GA is gonna be the first casualty... Terrible
>idea.
That is not what happened in Canada. (Which is currently a socialist
anti-American Europhilic country much to my dismay).
randall g =%^)> #320 - only 346 short
http://www.telemark.net/~randallg
Lots of aerial photographs of British Columbia at:
http://www.telemark.net/~randallg/photos.htm
randall g
<martin...@hotze.invalid> wrote:
>"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." <tpal...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> > Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
>>
>> Yep. I sure am. We would all be in the process of converting to Islam right
>> now if Algore was in office.
>
>Hell, the USA is the only western country in the world that still builds
>huge churches like other countries did some hundred years ago.
As an avowed atheist I have no love for this sort of thing, but as far
as I know none of this is paid for by the state, so I do not see a
fundamental problem.
>there was a TV documentation about the religious led country USA (God
>state) - horrible.
I can imagine, and have knowledge of, far worse situations in the world.
I wonder why you Europeans seem to prefer Islamic fundamantalism over a
relatively benign and toothless Christian-centric society.
randall g
<martin...@hotze.invalid> wrote:
>"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." <tpal...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> > > > Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
>> > >
>> > > Yep. I sure am. We would all be in the process of converting to Islam
>> right
>> > > now if Algore was in office.
>> >
>> >
>> > Hell, the USA is the only western country in the world that still builds
>> > huge churches like other countries did some hundred years ago.
>> > there was a TV documentation about the religious led country USA (God
>> > state) - horrible.
>>
>> So we should outlaw church building?
>
>no.
>but maybe you should divide state and church better.
Martin, the state is not involved in building churches. Where on earth
did you get this idea?
>Every second term is "with the help of God" and "our prayers go there
>and there". This is OK as long as this is in private. But the USA is on
>its best way to a God state.
Politicians in the US feel it necessary to spout this kind of nonsense,
regardless of their personal beliefs. This is called playing to the
crowd. I used to be a lot more bothered about this before I came to
understand the hugely more massive threat posed by Islamism.
>> What point are you attempting to make here?
>>
>> At least in our churches we don't force people to attend, then teach
>> worshipers to strap explosives to themselves and blow up coffee shops full
>> of Jews.
>
>you know how to differentiate between radical groups (misusing a
>religion)?
A very simple principle is: do they condone the murder of civilians for
its own sake?
>You know that there are only Jews blown up?
No, but there is no secret that it is the Jews specifically who are
targetted. Hamas doesn't care if they blow up non-Jews as a side effect.
>And you for sure
>don't care about the missiles fired from helicopters ...
It depends on the target. If you cannot see the difference between
targetting military planners as opposed to teenagers on a civilian bus,
there really is no hope for you and those who think like you.
L Smith
Rich Lemert
D.
Thomas J. Paladino Jr.
> >state) - horrible.
>
> I can imagine, and have knowledge of, far worse situations in the world.
> I wonder why you Europeans seem to prefer Islamic fundamantalism over a
> relatively benign and toothless Christian-centric society.
That really is the heart of the issue, and it stems from the
hyper-political-correctness that has taken over Europe and Canada. It all
boils down to the fact that Europeans and their ilk simply cannot find it
within themselves to confront or criticize non-whites.
It is way easier for them to demonize what you very accurately describe as a
"benign and toothless Christian-centric society" because it is a religion
largely perpetuated by whites. In this upside down world they have created
for themselves, they rationalize the situation by viewing any percieved
fault with Islamicism as a direct result of 'victimization' by the white
establishment, even if they have to go all the way back to the Crusades to
do so. Therefore, they reason, it is supremely unfair (and unnecessary) to
criticize Islam, and far more appropriate (and necessary) to criticize
western culture and its values for 'offending' the sensitivities of Muslims
and driving them to such horrible acts. It is under no circumstances
acceptable, however, to directly criticize a Muslim, because that may be
racist, which is a capital crime in the PC handbook (unless the race you
hate is white or Jewish). So all the blame for the worlds ills are laid
squarely at the feet of the white, male, American esablishment --which is
the only legitimate target left to bash in the world of political
correctness.
Thomas J. Paladino Jr.
"L Smith" <lls...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:3EEA9021...@mindspring.com...
Really?What are the other ones? People that bandy about phrases like "destroying freedom" and "totalitarian" should actually spend some time in a real totalitarian state. One that executes professors and intellectuals for having the wrong ideas. Or bans books and newspapers, and prohibits internet access. Maybe then they'd understand exactly how silly they sound.
Peter Gottlieb
expedient to flip on your precious guns issue, he will, without a second
thought. You cannot trust the man.
"Capt. Doug" <capt...@theworldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Peter Gottlieb
"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." <tpal...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message news:yqwGa.143000$h42....@twister.nyc.rr.com...
Dave Stadt
>
> "Mike Rapoport" <rapo...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:bccr67$4uc$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net...
> >
> > Does anybody know why iit was better for screeners to be federal
employees
> >
>
> sector employees..
>
>
> >
> > and controllers to be privitized?
> >
>
> government employees.
>
Don't worry the government will switch it every couple of years.
Jack Allison
> at home. And yes, occasionally I listen to Rush. 90% of what he says is
> conservative spin in the craziest sense of the word.
Honestly, no, I don't listen to Rush...can't receive AM on my radio because
some jerk snapped off my antenna. I'm sure it was in response to having a
bad day or something and it must be my fault for having an attractive
nuisance of an antenna on my truck.
Did I say I wanted a debate? Don't think so. I think that was the author
of the original post. My post was simply a reply with my response to the
question and my opinion.
--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL
"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci
(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail
Chip Jones
"randall g" <rand...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:47:26 -0400, "Chip Jones"
> <gum2...@nospammindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." <tpal...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:U%kGa.13841$Fu.41...@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> >>
> >> > Aren't You Happy You Voted For Baby Bush?
> >>
> >> Yep. I sure am. We would all be in the process of converting to Islam
> >right
> >> now if Algore was in office.
> >>
> >> There's a lot more to life than ATC privatization.
> >>
> >
> >Yep, there is. Unfortunately, there's also a lot more to life then
personal
> >flying too. Privatize ATC and GA is gonna be the first casualty...
Terrible
> >idea.
>
>
> That is not what happened in Canada. (Which is currently a socialist
> anti-American Europhilic country much to my dismay).
>
>
True. In Canada, the airlines were the first casualty...
G.R. Patterson III
randall g wrote:
>
> Martin, the state is not involved in building churches. Where on earth
> did you get this idea?
Perhaps here - http://www.cathedral.org/cathedral/discover/history.shtml
George Patterson
The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The
pessimist is afraid that he's correct.
James Branch Cavel
Thomas J. Paladino Jr.
"G.R. Patterson III" <grpp...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3EEB266D...@comcast.net...
>
>
> randall g wrote:
> >
> > Martin, the state is not involved in building churches. Where on earth
> > did you get this idea?
>
> Perhaps here - http://www.cathedral.org/cathedral/discover/history.shtml
One national cathedral. And right there in the second paragraph:
"intended for national purposes, such as public prayer, thanksgiving,
funeral orations, etc.,and assigned to the special use of no particular Sect
of denomination, but equally open to all."
A far cry from building thousands of state-run Madrasas and Mosques, as a
mouthpiece for the single-party state, then mandating attendance to the
population.
Bojangles
as well as his frequent use of "ditto". Its ok man. You can come out of the
Limbaugh closet.
"Jack Allison" <k2_boa...@Rem0ve.th1s.msn.com> wrote in message
news:bcee10$p2g$1...@news01.intel.com...
C J Campbell
Steven P. McNicoll
>
I think the vast majority that voted for Bush are happy they did so. I also
think a considerable number that voted for Gore are now happy that Bush won.
C J Campbell
"Peter Gottlieb" <1780...@icq.net> wrote in message
news:38xGa.2575$gs5.1...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
| He's REALLY far from perfect, and if he someday sees it as politically
| expedient to flip on your precious guns issue, he will, without a second
| thought. You cannot trust the man.
|
And this makes him different how?
We have the liberal Feinstein and other Democrats wanting to arm airline
pilots, while the pro-gun Republicans and Bush oppose it. The Republicans
want to bring back deficit spending, while the Democrats oppose it. Pilots,
who are for the most part decidedly libertarian, oppose the privatization of
ATC, while the big government Democrats support it and the populist White
House opposes it.
It is all too funny for words.
Clint
>So, now that you've voted the mindless puppet and his band of
>pseudoreligous thieves into control of this noble nation, how will you
>restrain his influence peddling, Constitution scuttling revocation of
>civil rights, vengeful, self interested, behavior?
Hm, I don't know.. I assume if Bush actually DID start doing those things
you described, we'd have to react to them the same way we did when
Bill Clinton actually DID do those things.... along with his henchman
Al Gore. No more freon due to voodoo & false science, increased
range and accuracy of nuclear-capable warheads in China that are
aimed this way, shame brought to the nation due to various scandals
both personally and politically (such as all the last minute pardons
handed out to many criminals). hm, yea, the previous administration
was better than this one, wasn't it????
>
>Fortunately political parties other than the GOP and Democratic exist
>in this country.
Unfortunately they don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever
winning.
Clint
>
>Please. I would sooner jump off the Empire State Building than live in a
>country run by that lunatic Nader.
>
>
You wouldn't have to worry about that; a nation made as gutless and
immasculate as one run by him would surely have all it's buildings
bombed to the ground by terrorists before his administration was up.
Clint
>
>So you are voting for Lyndon LaRouche next time around?
>
Heh, yea, I think he stuck his foot in his mouth with that remark.
The list of great names and nobile personalities on the
"alternate tickets" is REAL long, huh?
Clint
>
>At least in our churches we don't force people to attend, then teach
>worshipers to strap explosives to themselves and blow up coffee shops full
>of Jews.
VERY well said.
Not only that, we finally have an administration that has the GUTS to go
root out those who do and rip them apart in the havens in which they
find refuge.... as well as blow apart those who protect them and
make excuses for them.
Clint
>you know how to differentiate between radical groups (misusing a
>don't care about the missiles fired from helicopters ...
>The Israelis haven't learned a thing out of their own history.
You've commited the very common error most terrorist-apologists make
when discussing this subject... and that is not "differentiating" (to use
your
own words) between attacking the leaders of a movement (such as
the israelis targeting the leaders of hamas and others like them) and
the terrorists who walk onto buses and crowded shopping malls and blow
up noncombatants, innocent children, etc...
and before you start screaming "but the israelis killed innocents!", let
me strike down your incorrect logic before you use it. Unfortunately, there
is always collateral damage, the key is to not make collateral damage
your intended goal and target; you want to minimize it, not maximize it.
And THAT, my dear friend, IS the difference between "a terrorist" and
"a freedom fighter".
Clint
>
The references to God and religion in our public forums has been
>sharply reduced in the last fifty or so years. Congress used to open with
>prayers, as did many public schools. The president used to regularly call
on
>the American people to pray in times of crisis, and invoke the name of God
>far more than is done today.
>
I heard that in california, many courtrooms must actually remove paintings
of our founding fathers, just in case they are "insensitive" to certain
races.
Yes, you cannot hang a picture of george washington!
Hell, we have to really take control of this place before it really DOES go
to hell.
Clint
>Ditto. If Algore was in office, we'd have to be open and understanding in
a
>new era of "tolerance" toward folks like those who hijacked those airplanes
>on 9/11. I'm sure they were just expressing their 1st amendments
>rights...oh, wait, they weren't citizens...well, no matter, they were just
>expressing their view. I can just hear Algore's response to 9/11. Nope,
>I'll take George jr. any day
>
Just look at what "understanding, compassion and tolerance" has gotten
France. Since 9/11, there have been MORE bombings there, and one
or two thwarted before they were attempted as well.
Oh yea, i'll take George Bush Jr. anyday as well.
Clint
Bojangles wrote in message ...
>Your Limbaugh worship is showing.
You're leftists-liberal worship is showing.
Please, if you want to debate leave Rush
>at home.
I knew you'd feel that way; you cannot tolerate facts in a
debate. They defeat your argument everytime.
And yes, occasionally I listen to Rush. 90% of what he says is
>conservative spin in the craziest sense of the word.
As a representative of what the left is like and what socialists
stand for, you have a monopoly on spin. The fact that you
used a right-winger's terminology speaks VOLUMES.
Clint
>
>I can imagine, and have knowledge of, far worse situations in the world.
>I wonder why you Europeans seem to prefer Islamic fundamantalism over a
>relatively benign and toothless Christian-centric society.
>
Let me answer that one for you. It's EASY, and after looking futher into
the matter, i'm sure you'll agree with me. The entire european strategem
and included dogmas are one of fear and appeasement; not just now
but throughout the 20th century (no one will disagree that this is
what allowed the second world war, at least in europe, to happen).
There is nothing to fear from attacking or dismissing judeo-christian
sectors of society. At least in the last several hundred years, they
have preached and practiced peace, and any deviation from this
has met with thier disapproval.
However, islamic fundamentalist and radical groups have no
qualms with murdering innocents, commiting outright assasination,
poisoning large groups of innocent people, etc... so, in effect,
"they will actually hurt you!"
Look at it this way; in a neighborhood, you have nothing to fear
from standing up to the little old senile, cripple lady that lives
on one side of you. However, you think twice about mouthing
off to the bikers or gangsters that live on the other side of you.
Make sense?
It works in reverse, too.... if you'll notice, most of the aims
of the terrorists since our retaliations have been to target either
innocents over on that side of the world, or gutless, appeasing
european nations. We have been left alone.
Make sense?
Clint
>That really is the heart of the issue, and it stems from the
>hyper-political-correctness that has taken over Europe and Canada. It all
>boils down to the fact that Europeans and their ilk simply cannot find it
>within themselves to confront or criticize non-whites.
>
Hyper-political-correctness has made europeans too immasculated
and gutless to confront or critize non-whites.
Ron Natalie
"Clint" <rattl...@computron.net> wrote in message news:3eeb...@news.computron.net...
>
> >
> >So you are voting for Lyndon LaRouche next time around?
> >
>
> Heh, yea, I think he stuck his foot in his mouth with that remark.
Oh, ya gotta love Lyndon. After he was jailed for credit card fraud he
advertised himself as the #1 political prisoner. "The only man George
Bush feared enough to lock up."
He's got a local cable show here, it's amusing to watch from time to time.
Stefaneska
>
> That is not what happened in Canada. (Which is currently a socialist
> anti-American Europhilic country much to my dismay).
>
Excuse me?? Please remember that not ONLY Americans frequent this
newsgroup! There are some Europeans on it too of different political
persuasions and in different types of jurisdictions than yourselves!
And what is wrong with being a 'Europhile' as you put it?
randall g
wrote:
>> That is not what happened in Canada. (Which is currently a socialist
>> anti-American Europhilic country much to my dismay).
>
>Excuse me?? Please remember that not ONLY Americans frequent this
>newsgroup!
I was responding to an American regarding an American issue.
>There are some Europeans on it too of different political
>persuasions and in different types of jurisdictions than yourselves!
>And what is wrong with being a 'Europhile' as you put it?
In general there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. I was not specific
enough. I was refering to my Canadian government's allowing our foreign
policy, and how we deal with the US, to be dictated by Jacques Chirac.
randall g =%^)> #320 - only 346 short
http://www.telemark.net/~randallg
Lots of aerial photographs of British Columbia at:
http://www.telemark.net/~randallg/photos.htm
randall g
>He's the man who unleashed looters in a country
Bush did that on purpose? Maybe he assumed that the Iraqi people were as
civilized as other countries that the US has liberated, such as France,
who didn't destroy their own country when the Germans were defeated.
What a dumb thing to think.
>that he said has
>weapons of mass destruction.
They did. They even used them. Oh, you mean right now? Then perhaps you
can explain why Saddam didn't use his "get out of war free and get the
sanctions lifted" card and cooperate fully with the inspectors, allow
his scientists to be interviewd, and show proof that his known and
admitted stockpiles had been destroyed.
>and he presented trumped up
>evidence of nuclear materials to the U.N. and the world.
You're right. North Korea and Iran can't possibly be attempting to
produce nuclear weapons. What on earth would they do with them anyway?
And obviously Saddam never wanted to. Thanks for clearing that up. I
feel a lot better now.
>Look at how effective he just was with his peace initiative with
>Israel and the Palestinians.
If it wasn't for the fact that most Palistinians still think they will
destroy Israel and still support the terrorists, it may have worked.
Unfortunately no US president can change that - it has nothing to do
with Bush.
Balt
deeply enough to take care of firing up pretzels have to go into world
politics?
Just watch how this Iraq aftermath unfolds! It's gonna be the biggest
political mess ever produced in the states. Turns out there's no weapons
of mass destruction, there's no link to al kaida and certainly, bush and
bush voters would never spend $70b to "liberate" a country. In the end,
oil and the need to control the saudis will be the only reasons left for
this war.
Bush has failed to get the economy going, failed to create jobs, has
most profoundly f**ed up wall street and international markets with this
Iraq stunt and generally put the US in a very bad light internationally.
My advice: Step back a few, look at yourselves, self-reflect for once
and get rid of the people who got you into this mess. It's really funny
to observe how the people who profit least of the Bush administration
are its most fervent defenders! I wonder why?
Cheers
Thomas J. Paladino Jr.
"Balt" <bi.r...@this.inside.net> wrote in message
news:3EEBC1DF...@this.inside.net...
> Sheesh... here we go again. Why is it that people barely able to think
> deeply enough to take care of firing up pretzels have to go into world
> politics?
>
???
> Just watch how this Iraq aftermath unfolds! It's gonna be the biggest
> political mess ever produced in the states. Turns out there's no weapons
> of mass destruction, there's no link to al kaida and certainly, bush and
> bush voters would never spend $70b to "liberate" a country. In the end,
> oil and the need to control the saudis will be the only reasons left for
> this war.
Then why didn't we just keep all the oil back in 1991 then? Why haven't my
gas prices dropped to fifty cents a gallon yet? Why didn't Saddam just avoid
the war altogether by opening the books on his supposedly destroyed weapons?
The fact is that Bush was about 98% correct in everything he said. There
were links to Al Qaeda (they are turning up all over the country now) and
certainly (admitted) links to Hamas and Hezbollah (or do you not consider
them terrorists).
The world is altogether a far FAR safer place now than it was with Saddam in
power. Period.
You're welcome.
>
> Bush has failed to get the economy going,
Except that the Dow is now at it's highest point in over two years, interest
rates are still falling and consumer confidence is rising.
> failed to create jobs, has
> most profoundly f**ed up wall street and international markets
Wall Street seems to be doing pretty well lately. We have had a solid three
month rally, and Greenspan himself said that the economy has finally 'turned
a corner'. And don't blame Bush for the absolutely dismal and seemingly
hopeless European markets. You have the brilliant Socialist utopians and
their fabulous taxes and welfare states to thank for that. It has precisely
nothing to do with Iraq.
We'll be just fine, you need to focus on your own mess.
>with this
> Iraq stunt and generally put the US in a very bad light internationally.
In case you haven't noticed, very few here really care what 'light' the
envious, elitist, hopeless Europeans see us in.
>
> My advice: Step back a few, look at yourselves, self-reflect for once
> and get rid of the people who got you into this mess.
Actually, the 'mess' was left by the previous administration and it's
absolute apathy and spinelessness. We are in the process of cleaning it up,
and are doing a relatively good job. The real 'mess' is in Europe, and if
any "self-reflection" is required, it is there.
> It's really funny
> to observe how the people who profit least of the Bush administration
> are its most fervent defenders! I wonder why?
Actually the entire world will 'profit' from the Bush administration,
whether they choose to admit it or not. Unfortunately it is simply beyond
the abilities of the European elite to admit that someone they once took to
be a simpleton has turned out to be one of the most effective leaders of
modern times.
It's really funny to observe how the people who have the most screwed up
socioeconomic systems in the western world are so quick to critizice
American leadership.
How does that saying go? "Remove the plank from your own eye before the
splinter in mine"
Thomas J. Paladino
New York City
Dave Stadt
I hadn't heard that we captured Sadam, bin laden nor that we found any WMDs.
Nor did I hear that we did anything to those harboring them. Guess I
missed that news broadcast.
Martin Hotze
>Let me answer that one for you. It's EASY, and after looking futher into
>the matter, i'm sure you'll agree with me. The entire european strategem
>and included dogmas are one of fear and appeasement; not just now
>but throughout the 20th century (no one will disagree that this is
>what allowed the second world war, at least in europe, to happen).
>(snipped)
No wonder the world turns this way as long as there are people with this
viewpoint.
Sorry that I have to come to the US at least one more time (to cancel my
bank account).
#m
--
http://www.usawatch.org/ http://www.alternet.org/
get a deck of cards: http://www.warprofiteers.com/
Martin Hotze
>On 13 Jun 2003 11:12:19 -0700, pgz...@yahoo.com (III) wrote:
>
>>He's the man who unleashed looters in a country
>
>Bush did that on purpose? Maybe he assumed that the Iraqi people were as
>civilized as other countries that the US has liberated, such as France,
Hell, Iraq has a longer history and more civilization than the USA has
itself and has destroyed all over the planet together.
>who didn't destroy their own country when the Germans were defeated.
>What a dumb thing to think.
>
>>that he said has
>>weapons of mass destruction.
>
>They did. They even used them. Oh, you mean right now? Then perhaps you
>can explain why Saddam didn't use his "get out of war free and get the
>sanctions lifted" card and cooperate fully with the inspectors, allow
>his scientists to be interviewd, and show proof that his known and
>admitted stockpiles had been destroyed.
It is (was) a sovereign nation. They had just the same rights than the USA
had.
>>and he presented trumped up
>>evidence of nuclear materials to the U.N. and the world.
>
>You're right. North Korea and Iran can't possibly be attempting to
Oh, history is a bad thing, isn't it?
>produce nuclear weapons. What on earth would they do with them anyway?
What are _you_ (USA) doing with your WMD?
>And obviously Saddam never wanted to. Thanks for clearing that up. I
>feel a lot better now.
>
>>Look at how effective he just was with his peace initiative with
>>Israel and the Palestinians.
>
>If it wasn't for the fact that most Palistinians still think they will
>destroy Israel and still support the terrorists, it may have worked.
bah. He was there, had a nice time, boarded AF1 again, flew over Bagdad and
went on.
>Unfortunately no US president can change that - it has nothing to do
>with Bush.
true. So the USA should get less involved in things that are not their
business. Please.
Heck, I bet that more than 70% of your troops in Iraq don't know where they
are on this planet when you give them a map.
Steven P. McNicoll
"Martin Hotze" <martin...@hotze.invalid> wrote in message
news:krnoevg6pi1r3t196...@4ax.com...
>
> It is (was) a sovereign nation. They had just the same rights than the USA
> had.
>
Iraq went to war.
Iraq lost.
Iraq agreed to terms that required it to do certain things.
Iraq didn't do those things.
Hostilities resumed.
Martin Hotze
>And don't blame Bush for the absolutely dismal and seemingly
>hopeless European markets.
huh?
you meant the rise of almost 20% of the Euro against the Dollar?
> You have the brilliant Socialist utopians and
>their fabulous taxes and welfare states to thank for that.
My best bet is that you have not the slightest idea how most of the
European countries work. You are reading/watching some short minded
American news and draw your short minded conclusions.
Do you have a passport and have you been outside of the USA? Or have you
ever been at least to the other cost of your country?
Martin Hotze
>Just watch how this Iraq aftermath unfolds! It's gonna be the biggest
>political mess ever produced in the states. Turns out there's no weapons
>of mass destruction, there's no link to al kaida and certainly, bush and
>bush voters would never spend $70b to "liberate" a country. In the end,
>oil and the need to control the saudis will be the only reasons left for
>this war.
The bad thing is: If WMD will ever be found and someone brings up that they
are faked by the US (ture or not), almost everybody will believe it and
will say that the USA are liars. You have a tough stand in the world.
Most people I talk to (and many of them are very pro war and pro USA)
generally believe that the USA are liars and bad guys and that the opposite
has to be proven first. I met nobody in the last 2 years who had respect
for and of America. Useless if this is wrong and not good and not noble. It
is this way and this is bad.
>Bush has failed to get the economy going, failed to create jobs, has
>most profoundly f**ed up wall street and international markets with this
>Iraq stunt and generally put the US in a very bad light internationally.
true.
and your budget deficit is sky-rocketing.
Not that I wan to say that we here in Europe are the brave-hearts. We have
lot of problems, too.
But I'd love to see the Americans stay at home and not interfeereing all
over our planet.
Bob Noel
loca...@eunet.at wrote:
> No wonder the world turns this way as long as there are people with this
> viewpoint.
> Sorry that I have to come to the US at least one more time (to cancel my
> bank account).
don't let the door hit you on the way out.
--
Bob Noel
Bob Noel
loca...@eunet.at wrote:
> Heck, I bet that more than 70% of your troops in Iraq don't know where
> they
> are on this planet when you give them a map.
I'll take that bet. Some people have an understanding of
the equipment used by the US forces, but you haven't shown
any such understanding.
--
Bob Noel
Matthew P. Cummings
> Look at how effective he just was with his peace initiative with
> Israel and the Palestinians.
Like Clinton did any better?
When you have to races that hate each other that much you will never
have peace until one of them is gone.