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Don P

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May 7, 2012, 9:55:39 PM5/7/12
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Sorry to beat this dead horse.... Here is my trip:
Leg1 : 49.3 NM .6 Hobbs
Leg2 : 59.0 NM .6 Hobbs
Leg3 : 36.2 NM .4 Hobbs

How much of this can legally be logged as Cross Country Time?




Dave Doe

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May 8, 2012, 8:10:56 AM5/8/12
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In article <a87362e3-7da5-480e-bd1d-6156d5686395@
36g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, n97...@gmail.com, Don P says...
All of it? Is it a trick question? :)

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Duncan.

Vaughn

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May 8, 2012, 11:32:37 AM5/8/12
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Probably all, perhaps none. Read 61.1 (b)(3). Possible catches: 1) Did
you land at any of those places? Was at least one of your landings at
least 50 nm straight-line distance from your point of departure?

Vaughn

Don P

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May 8, 2012, 6:06:38 PM5/8/12
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Sorry for the confusion. Each leg resulted in a full stop. Leg 2 was
59 miles. All the distances I listed above were straight line
distances (I'm sure I flew further..lol)

Don P

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May 8, 2012, 6:10:52 PM5/8/12
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On May 8, 11:32 am, Vaughn <vaughnsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm ..... I thought I already replied to this, but it isn't showing
up, so if it repeats, I apologize.

All the distances listed above were straight line distances. I flew
each of these to a full stop landing. Therefore, Leg 2 of 59 NM I
know for a fact can be logged xcountry, but I'm unsure of the rest.
Sorry for the confusion.

Don P

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May 8, 2012, 6:12:14 PM5/8/12
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LOL, not intended to be a trick question. full stop landings at each
of those three airports...

Vaughn

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May 8, 2012, 7:31:27 PM5/8/12
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My suggestions remains to read 61.1 (b)(3). You can easily do that on
the Internet, but if you don't own a FAR/AIM, it's probably time to buy
one.

In short, assuming that all the other requirements were met(pilot
certification, type of aircraft etc.) you can log the whole flight as
long as one of your landings was at least 50 NM from your starting point.

Vaughn

Dave Doe

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May 9, 2012, 7:13:39 AM5/9/12
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In article <jocacl$ve2$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, vaugh...@gmail.com,
Vaughn says...
sounds about right to me.

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Duncan.

Bob Moore

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May 9, 2012, 11:36:09 AM5/9/12
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Don P <n97...@gmail.com> wrote
If you redefine your starting point as starting at the begining
of leg two, then legs 2 and 3 can be logged, otherwise, none of
the landings were accomplished at a point more than 50 miles from
the original starting point.

Bob Moore
ATP CFI

George152

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May 9, 2012, 4:04:43 PM5/9/12
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Then again we have had posters in here whos aviation expertise didn't
extend past Microsoft Flight Simulator but who thought that sufficient
to post here as pilots....

Dave Doe

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May 9, 2012, 6:58:31 PM5/9/12
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In article <dZ6dnYWne6KNUzfS...@giganews.com>,
gbl...@hnpl.net, George152 says...
>
> Then again we have had posters in here whos aviation expertise didn't
> extend past Microsoft Flight Simulator but who thought that sufficient
> to post here as pilots....

And I think most of us have learnt to either a) use the "Bozo bin" or b)
ignore, such posters.

But as an aside, do you use a 'main' training manual in the USA? - such
as Fenwicks? (hope I got the spelling right - and hope that's what is
still used here in NZ - been nearly 30 years since I got my PPL).

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Duncan.

George152

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May 9, 2012, 8:08:55 PM5/9/12
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As I'm a Kiwi and had access to Ken Fenwicks Manual when I did my PPL in
1968 at Paraparaumu . :-)
I have no idea as to the US training manuals

Greg Russell

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May 9, 2012, 11:32:25 PM5/9/12
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On Mon, 07 May 2012 18:55:39 -0700, Don P wrote in
a87362e3-7da5-480e...@36g2000yqi.googlegroups.com :
Usenet postings don't qualify as log time.

Edward A. Falk

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May 11, 2012, 12:22:56 AM5/11/12
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In article <a87362e3-7da5-480e...@36g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
Tricky question.

Technically, all of it can be logged as cross-country. Any time you land
at a different airport from whence you started, that's a cross-country
flight.

However, not all cross-country flights can be counted towards this, that,
or the other license or rating. Since I don't log the actual distance
traveled (and I suspect most people don't), it's not practical for
me to go through my logbook and determine which flights can be applied
toward a rating. For that reason, I only bother to log flights greater
than 50nm as cross-country. It under-counts my cross-country time,
but it makes the paperwork simpler.

It's kind of moot in my case. Most of my flying is cross-country.
The last time I went for a new license, I looked at the X-C requirements,
and realized I had that much at *night*.

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-Ed Falk, fa...@despams.r.us.com
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

Edward A. Falk

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May 11, 2012, 12:30:28 AM5/11/12
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In article <joi470$flt$1...@blue-new.rahul.net>,
Edward A. Falk <fa...@rahul.net> wrote:
>
>Technically, all of it can be logged as cross-country.

Oh, wait. Turns out that it's an an FAQ:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/aviation/faq/section-8.html#b

Apparently the norm is 50nm to be counted toward a license
or rating, with the notable exception being ATP which has
no lower limit.

Here's a letter from the FAA that discusses this as well:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/pol_adjudication/agc200/interpretations/data/interps/2009/Louis%20Glenn.pdf

Dave Doe

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May 11, 2012, 2:06:20 AM5/11/12
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In article <joi4l4$flt$2...@blue-new.rahul.net>, fa...@rahul.net, Edward A.
Falk says...
>
> In article <joi470$flt$1...@blue-new.rahul.net>,
> Edward A. Falk <fa...@rahul.net> wrote:
> >
> >Technically, all of it can be logged as cross-country.
>
> Oh, wait. Turns out that it's an an FAQ:
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/aviation/faq/section-8.html#b
>
> Apparently the norm is 50nm to be counted toward a license
> or rating, with the notable exception being ATP which has
> no lower limit.

Yep, you're on to it - the talk is about X country flight *training* :)

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Duncan.

Dylan Smith

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Jun 5, 2012, 12:11:29 PM6/5/12
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Well, it could still all be cross country if you start at the beginning
of leg 1. The poster didn't say that leg 3 ended at the start point
of leg 1, it's possible that at the end of leg 3, the poster was at
most a straight line distance of 145.5NM from the starting point of leg 1.

150flivver

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Jun 5, 2012, 3:50:12 PM6/5/12
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Any
Any flight where you land at an airfield different from the one you took off from can be logged as cross country. Not all cross country time can be used for the required aeronautical experience needed for additional ratings. You need to look up the rating requirement for the particular cross country time that applies.

ga...@groundschool.org

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Jul 5, 2012, 12:00:33 PM7/5/12
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Lots of good points here about what counts as X/C time for ratings, certs and currency - but one point to remember is that it's your logbook - you can log whatever you want in it.
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