Paint Job?
zatatime
or where is a good place to go for one? I'd say anywhere from North
Carolina to Maine, or as far west as Ohio would be the area the owner
could travel. He is based in NJ.
He plans on repainting with the original paint scheme, which is
currently on the airplane. It is a '63 w/ original paint that is
finally starting to speckle fairly badly.
Is a complete strip required/recommended?
Comments are appreciated.
Thanks,
z
Bob Noel
<zatatime...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Is a complete strip required/recommended?
>
> Comments are appreciated.
I have a '74 140. It will probably need paint in the next
few years. I'm planning to have it completely stripped.
Who knows what the metal is like under the paint?
frankly, if I was looking at buying an airplane, I would be
very cautious about one that wasn't stripped before painting.
--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.
Nathan Young
<zatatime...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Anyone have any input on the cost of a paint job for a Cherokee 140,
>or where is a good place to go for one? I'd say anywhere from North
>Carolina to Maine, or as far west as Ohio would be the area the owner
>could travel. He is based in NJ.
I would recommend finding a shop close to home base. Paint jobs take
a long time, and it is nice to see (and photograph) the plane in the
various stages of a paint job... Strip, etch, alodine, bodywork,
prime, paint. I believe that these photographs are very valuable
during the sales process of the plane (ie proving that the paint job
was done correctly).
>He plans on repainting with the original paint scheme, which is
>currently on the airplane. It is a '63 w/ original paint that is
>finally starting to speckle fairly badly.
I'd opt for one of the newer updated schemes. Again, it will probably
fetch a higher resale than the '63 scheme.
>Is a complete strip required/recommended?
Absolutely. Weight savings is one reason, but another reason is
corrosion. There can be surface corrosion on the aluminum underneath
the paint. This can be caught during the strip process and removed.
If the old paint is sanded and painted over, the corrosion is not
corrected. It may take a few years, but the corrosion will continue
to grow, eventually bubbling the paint, and worse case destroying
portions of the airframe.... Best to take care of it while you can.
-Nathan
tony roberts
If you want to sell after the painting, choose a new paint scheme, not
an old one.
Tony
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Indiacha...@hotmail.com
Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
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Cessna 172H C-GIC
In article <dildg0tns86tdl2mb...@4ax.com>,
zatatime <zatatime...@comcast.net> wrote:
RKHenry
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> Anyone have any input on the cost of a paint job for a Cherokee 140,
> or where is a good place to go for one? I'd say anywhere from North
> Carolina to Maine, or as far west as Ohio would be the area the owner
> could travel. He is based in NJ.
> Is a complete strip required/recommended?
I'm looking for a place to get my Warrior painted, somewhere near Northeast
Tennessee. I've gotten a price from Aircraft Paint and Interiors in
Carrolton, Georgia. They sound good but I'm reluctant to go ahead until I've
found some other vendors to compare. I found their ad in Trade-A-Plane
online. I wrote to AOPA asking if they knew of a list of vendors but they
could only suggest a couple of sites (which I've subsequently lost to a hard
drive failure). Searching those sources revealed only the one shop that I'd
found in TAP. All the rest just paint helicopters or jets. One list of
vendors they suggested was at www.aircraftpaintschemes.com . At one time,
paint manufacturers used to publish lists of shops that used their products.
I'm surprised at how few good paint shops there are. There are lots of guys
who will shoot paint in a dusty hangar, leaving a dry, sandy, paint job, or
worse, but the high-quality places that strip, etch, etc. are quite rare.
Even rarer are the places that handle singles. Many places paint helicopters
but don't have room in their booth for a single. Others specialize on
jets. I understand government pressure has driven a lot of shops out of the
business.
I think a complete strip is the only way to go, especially if it's the
original paint job, like my Warrior. The original paint job was cheap junk,
that's partly why it's flaking off. Ninty percent of any paint job is prep.
Shooting paint is easy by comparison. I've seen airplanes on the ramp with
nice, shiny new paint jobs that were peeling off in chunks as big as your
hand within six months. A good paint job is especially important if the
airplane has to live outside in the elements.
Do they weigh the airplane as part of the paint job? Seems like they ought
to. Some years ago when I had some radios installed the guy said I ought to
have the airplane weighed. After studying his paperwork I suspect he
suggested that because he screwed up the math (among other things). After
putting on several layers of paint who knows how much the airplane weighs
without weighing it?
Somewhat unrelated question: How do you get to the paint shop after you've
delivered your bird? Most of the shops are so far away that a drive in the
car is out of the question (Illustrating one reason why I keep an airplane
in the first place--a trip that I would consider trivial in the airplane is
a major pain in the car). Or do you try to hitch a ride with someone else
with an airplane? And then there's the airlines. That was a joke, of course,
you can't get anywhere on airlines.
I'm going to need new plastic parts. I've priced replacements from Globe
Fiberglass. There are a couple of points I'd like to ask for opinions:
1. Should I stock the parts at my house and try to transport them or have
them drop-shipped to the paint shop? (The shop has indicated that they'll
install the parts for a modest additional fee.) Trying to shove a couple of
wingtips, et al, into the baggage compartment might be a challenge.
Fortunately they're for a semi-tapered wing so they're somewhat shorter.
2. If I'm replacing wingtips, this might be an opportunity to get wingtips
that can accomodate a strobe system, maybe I could ditch the rotating light
on the tail. An additional expense but as long as I'm going to hell anyway,
why not? Opinions?
RK Henry
Mark
re-paint. They took it to Smoketown, PA for the job. I don't know the
name of the shop but I'm sure there's only one at that airport. If I
remember correctly total cost was around $7K.
They searched for quite awhile before deciding on Smoketown.
FWIW.
Mark
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:24:29 GMT, zatatime
<zatatime...@comcast.net> wrote:
Dave Butler
http://www.avweb.com/news/maint/182829-1.html
We recently had our Mooney painted by Grace Air (John or Adam Hudson) at
Kingstree, SC. 843-201-6666
Some other shops that were recommended by others when I was researching (I have
no personal experience with these):
Legends Aircraft Refurbishing, Aiken, SC, 803-648-9571, contact Cliff or Dean.
Stevens Aviation, Greenville, SC, 864-678-6120, contact Denise DeYoung.
Dave
zatatime
z
zatatime
Cherokee is located? Might be worth a trip to take a look see if its
not too far away.
z
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:33:19 -0400, Mark <n99...@nospam.comcast.net>
wrote:
John Galban
A complete strip is not required but, IMHO, a scuff 'n paint job is
false economy. It will start to deteriorate much sooner than a job
that was properly stripped, prepped and painted. If you're going to
invest thousands in a paint job, it's usually best to do it right.
The majority of scuff n' paint jobs I've seen were done in order to
get the aircraft ready for sale. They looked good for the first year
or so, then started to crack, bubble and peel.
Another thing to look for is that the painter will do the job with
the control surfaces off, then rebalance and reassemble them. That is
required, though I've seen jobs from some bargain outfits where they
didn't bother.
John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
Mark
is based at W18, Suburban Airport, in Laural, MD. The airport is in
between Baltimore and DC. If you do decide to come down please make
sure you have the ADIZ procedures. They're not difficult but you
definitely don't want to be followed in by a Blackhawk (it happened at
Suburban last year).
Mark
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:20:29 GMT, zatatime
Viperdoc
Ohio. They were the top rated shop in Aviation Consumer, a rating well
deserved. Their attention to detail and the quality of work was outstanding.
zatatime
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:22:21 -0400, Mark <n99...@nospam.comcast.net>
wrote:
zatatime
I read an article on them and they really seem to know what they're
doing. Thanks for the response.
z
Aaron Coolidge
: Anyone have any input on the cost of a paint job for a Cherokee 140,
: or where is a good place to go for one? I'd say anywhere from North
: Carolina to Maine, or as far west as Ohio would be the area the owner
: could travel. He is based in NJ.
Oxford Aviation in Maine does a fantastic job painting singles. They have
a reputation as being expensive, though.
Keyson at Nashua, NH painted a friend's Cherokee a year ago. As I recall,
it was about $7000, but that included replacing a couple of control skins
due to corrosion & cracks. The paint looks great. The line guys overheated
the fiberglass cowling and damaged the paint, and keyson refinished it
at no charge.
--
Aaron Coolidge (N9376J)