Short English Lesson
G.R. Patterson III
several times.
If you lose something you can't find it.
You can't loose something. Loose is not a verb.
George Patterson
"Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum." - When you have
their full attention in your grip, their hearts and minds will follow.
D.A. Hood
Lose your medical
You don't want a loose control surface
You certainly don't want to lose a control surface
Lose a bet
George, ever think that folks are typing just a bit too (to, two)
quickly or is the result of the spell-check generation showing? Don't
lose it!
Tim Bengtson
> You can't loose something. Loose is not a verb.
Well, you can loose an arrow, or loose the dogs. But I see your point.
And don't even get me started on "hanger".
Tim
Steven McNicoll
"G.R. Patterson III" <grpp...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> I've seen at least 5 posts today with the word "loose" used incorrectly
> several times.
>
> If you lose something you can't find it.
> You can't loose something. Loose is not a verb.
>
Actually, you can and it is.
loose
\Loose\, v. n. [imp. & p. p. Loosed; p. pr. & vb. n. Loosing.] [From Loose,
a.] 1. To untie or unbind; to free from any fastening; to remove the
shackles or fastenings of; to set free; to relieve.
Canst thou . . . loose the bands of Orion ? --Job. xxxviii. 31.
Ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her; loose them, and bring them
unto me. --Matt. xxi. 2.
2. To release from anything obligatory or burdensome; to disengage; hence,
to absolve; to remit.
Art thou loosed from a wife ? seek not a wife. --1 Cor. vii. 27.
Whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. --Matt. xvi.
19.
3. To relax; to loosen; to make less strict.
The joints of his loins were loosed. --Dan. v. 6.
4. To solve; to interpret. [Obs.] --Spenser.
C J Campbell
| several times.
|
George, the last time I brought this up, it started a thread that ran for
weeks. I got private hate mail and even death threats. Prepare for the
worst.
Dan Thompson
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Guy Byars
"G.R. Patterson III" <grpp...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Blanche Cohen
>I've seen at least 5 posts today with the word "loose" used incorrectly
>several times.
>
>If you lose something you can't find it.
>You can't loose something. Loose is not a verb.
Thank you!
Altho in nautical terms, "loose" may be used as a verb, as in
"loose the mainsail"
Webster's 9th Collegiate has a definition (2nd) as
"loose" to let loose, untie (a knot), to free from restraint, to
cast loose (detach), to let fly (discharge)
"lose", vb lost, to bring to destruction -- used chiefly in passive
construction (the ship was lost on the reef); to miss from one's
possession or customary or supposed place; to suffer deprivation
and it goes on and on...
Ben Jackson
C J Campbell <christoph...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>George, the last time I brought this up, it started a thread that ran for
>weeks. I got private hate mail and even death threats. Prepare for the
>worst.
But were they grammatically correct death threats?
--
Ben Jackson
<b...@ben.com>
http://www.ben.com/
Steven McNicoll
"Guy Byars" <g...@NEYTSPAMbyars.com> wrote in message
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>
> I think your right.
>
Don't you mean, "Eye think your write"?
Ron Natalie
"G.R. Patterson III" <grpp...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:3EA3F296...@comcast.net...
> I've seen at least 5 posts today with the word "loose" used incorrectly
> several times.
>
> If you lose something you can't find it.
> You can't loose something. Loose is not a verb.
>
Jay Honeck
> several times.
This one has become ubiquitous, George.
Lately I'm seeing "loose" misused in published (and, supposedly, edited)
articles. I can even name one published BOOK with the word "loose"
misused! (To me, that is absolutely outrageous.)
What baffles me are the number of REAL typos we see in this newsgroup.
"Loose" won't be recognized by a spell-checker, so it's almost forgivable...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
Dennis O'Connor
"Jay Honeck" <jjhonec...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Maurice Givens
I do not consider Websters to be a dictionary, but rather a collection
of ways the public is now using a language, whether that use be
correct or not. Therefore, I am very suspect of any reference to
Websters when it comes to the use and rules of the English language
(not directed toward the correct use of loose, just to Websters as a
reference). As an example, the use of contact as a verb.
flame suit on
Maurice Givens
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Jay Honeck
> of ways the public is now using a language, whether that use be
> correct or not.
Fine. Name your dictionary, and we'll use THAT one. No matter which one
you choose (not "chose), you have nothing to lose (not "loose") by referring
to any dictionary. It can only help.
The astounding thing (to me) is that rampant misspellings continue to occur,
even with "on-the-fly" spell correction and utterly painless spell checkers
built in to virtually every newsreader. Are these folks turning them
*off*, or what?
karl gruber
It isn't "a" dictionary. The term "Websters" has become public domain, and
you will see it on almost all dictionaries now.
Karl
C J Campbell
"Ben Jackson" <b...@ben.com> wrote in message
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| In article <va7vo8k...@corp.supernews.com>,
| C J Campbell <christoph...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
| >
| >George, the last time I brought this up, it started a thread that ran for
| >weeks. I got private hate mail and even death threats. Prepare for the
| >worst.
|
| But were they grammatically correct death threats?
|
Heavens, no. At least no one threatened to hang me with a rope tied into a
nose.
Blanche Cohen
>Well here goes..... throwing fuel on the fire.
>
>I do not consider Websters to be a dictionary, but rather a collection
>of ways the public is now using a language, whether that use be
>correct or not. Therefore, I am very suspect of any reference to
>Websters when it comes to the use and rules of the English language
>(not directed toward the correct use of loose, just to Websters as a
>reference). As an example, the use of contact as a verb.
OK -- from now on will you accept the Oxford short form or do I need
to dig out the 24(?) volume Oxford?
(*sniggles*)
vincent p. norris
>of ways the public is now using a language, whether that use be
>correct or not.
Maurice, that is exactly what a dictionary is!
If you want a book that tells you how words OUGHT to be used, you need
to consult what is called a "usage dictionary." Very few people other
than English teachers and professional writers have ever seen one.
vince norris
DaveSproul
>>weeks. I got private hate mail and even death threats. Prepare for the
>>worst.
>
>But were they grammatically correct death threats?
I swear, this has got to be one of the best Newsgroups around. I've been
lurking for several years, flying (and renting) Cessnas for almost 40 years. I
feel ready to buy something soon with the addition of discretionary time as our
daughters head out to college next fall.
This Newsgroup has been a great source of advice and wisdom, and the core
contributors just seem like such great people with quirky humor as the icing on
the cake. If ever there were to be a mid-continent fly-in, I'd feel a strong
urge to invite myself along.
Say, you guys don't already secretly know each other, do you? Then I'd REALLY
feel like an intruder!
Dave Sproul, Bethesda, MD
BruceG
sentence is grammatically correct:
"That 'that' that that student wrote is correct."
B
<kingf...@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
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> George, you have opened the proverbial "can of worms".
>
> "to" vs. "too" : preposition vs. adverb (toward/future vs. also)
>
> I have something to do too.
>
> "there" vs. "their" : Adverb/noun vs. possesive (directional vs.
> ownership )
>
> There is their house.
>
> "alot" is not a word.
>
> Kingfisher
> AOPA, EAA, NRA-ILA, GOA, JPFO, SAF, CCRKBA, COA, LSAS, LEAA. Money is a
> weapon. When guns are outlawed, politicians will still have armed
> bodyguards.
>
>
>
G.R. Patterson III
DaveSproul wrote:
>
> If ever there were to be a mid-continent fly-in, I'd feel a strong
> urge to invite myself along.
Well, about the closest thing to it is next month at Pickneyville, IL.
Check with highflyer for details.
BTIZ
"G.R. Patterson III" <grpp...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Tim J
Charles Harrington Elster of "Verbal Advantage" fame?)
It is a pity that the poster is incorrect about the usage of "loose" as a
verb, though he is right about the common misuse of it.
Some people seem to take care to use the right words, some people don't.
Often the worst offenders are those that appear to know what they are
talking/writing about - unfortunately others emulate them and many times
that is a mistake.
I always get a few laughs per month from my managers or others around the
office trying to use "big" words. (As I am sure others laugh at my probably
frequent mistakes)
"...will be the penultimate project..." (he thought penultimate was even
BETTER (betterer?) than ultimate)
A manager asked me to review a help-wanted ad for a "principle engineer" - I
said it was great that we were finally going to get some principles.
My current manager stated he had to leave work (around the holidays) to go
to his son's school "regalia." We were not sure what he meant - we think he
made it up - trying to spice up "gala", though he may not have known regalia
is already taken. Perhaps he meant to say regatta. Of course, he tends to
say "liberry" so one should not expect much.
Comprise vs. compose is a sore spot for me. It appears that about 80% of
the time when I read/hear "comprise" it is used incorrectly. Unfortunately
some dictionaries concede to the mass misusage.
Its and it's are also contenders for the misuse record books...
Nuclear is a fun one these days - almost a 50-50 chance that a newscaster
(or other) will say something like "new kew ler."
The list goes on and on.
This is the internet - and a newsgroup at that. Even if a Harvard graduate
who went on to become a U.S. vice-president invented the internet, he can't
force everyone to use good grammar and spelling... It is doubtful that
careless users of language will change, though it is entertaining to poke
mild fun every now and then, and to engage in some self-mockery, lest we
believe ourselves better then they (sic - for those who are not sure if that
was in jest).
carry on.
"BTIZ" <bnosp...@lvcm.delete.com> wrote in message
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Bob Clough
think and write accurately by playing "Lindemann's Laws". He'd spot you an
extra 10 pts on your paper's grade if he could take away 1 pt for each
infraction of a Lindemann Law. I witnessed (not personally) many "A" papers
become "Fs" by playing the game. For those interested, his laws are
published at
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/syllabi/Lindemann/lindemannslaws.htm. My
favorite is "Just between you and I, case is important." For what it's
worth, a recent conversation indicated that despite the greater use of PCs,
word processors, spell checkers, grammar checkers, and the like, students
are still challenged when playing the game.
Butt I regress...
Bob Clough
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BTIZ
"Tim J" <tjurik...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Jay Honeck
Augh! Stop it!
;)
Russell Kent
> I still get a headache recalling an English major explain why the following
> sentence is grammatically correct:
>
> "That 'that' that that student wrote is correct."
As all aviators should know, there is a huge difference between "correct" and
"wise".
Russell Kent
Tim Bengtson
> The astounding thing (to me) is that rampant misspellings continue to occur,
> even with "on-the-fly" spell correction and utterly painless spell checkers
> built in to virtually every newsreader. Are these folks turning them
> *off*, or what?
But loose/lose, its/it's, hangar/hanger, etc. are errors that won't get
caught by spell-checkers.
Tim
Maurice Givens
Congress:"Mathematics are one of the fundamentaries of
educationalizing our youths"
Maurice Givens
Blanche Cohen
[snip]
>word processors, spell checkers, grammar checkers, and the like, students
And my rant is "spell checkers" and "spell check".
Do you check your spells or your spelling?
[rant off]
Steven McNicoll
"Blanche Cohen" <bla...@atlas.csd.net> wrote in message
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>
> And my rant is "spell checkers" and "spell check".
>
>
> Do you check your spells or your spelling?
>
My wife checks her spells. Do do the others in her coven.
John E. Carty
"Tim Bengtson" <tim...@us.nospam.ibm.wellmaybe.com> wrote in message
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That's why you should proof reed your own writing before sending out a post
:-)
PaulaJay1
<jjhonec...@mchsi.com> writes:
>Lately I'm seeing "loose" misused in published (and, supposedly, edited)
>articles. I can even name one published BOOK with the word "loose"
>misused! (To me, that is absolutely outrageous.)
>
>What baffles me are the number of REAL typos we see in this newsgroup.
>"Loose" won't be recognized by a spell-checker, so it's almost forgivable...
>--
My spell checker is on AOL and doesn't "review" the news group[ messages. I
suppose I could get one that did but .....
I had a boss when I was working - Ah the joys of retirement - that, when I
would submit a multi page proposal, would look at it for a few minutes and then
say "You misspelled ____ on page 3." Use to drive me up a wall. Some people
are bothered by this problem and some of us are more interested in comtent.
Chuck
PS Hope I didn't misspell anything in this reply.
Tim Bengtson
> PS Hope I didn't misspell anything in this reply.
You did.
Tim
Steven McNicoll
> PaulaJay1 wrote:
>
> > PS Hope I didn't misspell anything in this reply.
>
> You did.
>
Yes, but methinks that was intentional.
BruceG
"Montblack" <55mont6...@88wave99front.com> wrote in message
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> That "That 'that' that that student wrote is correct" still gives Bruce a
> headache, is funny. :-)
>
> Montblack
> (never met a comma, I didn't like)
>
> ("BruceG" wrote)
Maule Driver
Unchanging over the years. Stale.
Here we are in the age of the Web and words are flying around at the speed
of light. Everything is up for grabs and language is at the heart of that
change. Spoken language, always temporal, disposable, mostly unrecorded,
has always been enhanced by gestures, slang, cursing, inflection, etc.
Language on the web, while written, I would suggest is more like spoken
language...it is often spontaneoous, unedited, temporary, disposable, and
full of 'incorrect' usage.
Lighten up. But methinks you already know all that and enjoy the heck out
of it anyway.
"Maurice Givens" <maurice...@ieee.org> wrote in message
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C J Campbell
"Maule Driver" <Maule...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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| Flame suit on indeed! You seem to want to treat language as a static
thing.
| Unchanging over the years. Stale.
|
| Here we are in the age of the Web and words are flying around at the speed
| of light. Everything is up for grabs and language is at the heart of that
| change.
Sez yu. skru wid da lanwich tu mutch an et bcums unreedabull.
Montblack
("C J Campbell" scribbled/doodled something - I'm guessing METAR?)
> Sez yu. skru wid da lanwich tu mutch an et bcums unreedabull.
wat'up?
Montblack
Paul Sengupta
totally incomprehensible?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R3E751254
http://makeashorterlink.com/?T2B712254
Paul
Maule Driver wrote in message ...
G.R. Patterson III
Paul Sengupta wrote:
>
> Where's that Eagleson bloke? Isn't that his argument for being
> totally incomprehensible?
He's posting under the name "Maule Driver" these days. :-)
Maule Driver
PaulaJay1
McNicoll" <ronca...@earthlink.net> writes:
>> > PS Hope I didn't misspell anything in this reply.
>>
>> You did.
>>
>
>Yes, but methinks that was intentional.
>
Very observant, Steve. Now let's attack punctuation.
Chuck
G.R. Patterson III
PaulaJay1 wrote:
>
> Very observant, Steve. Now let's attack punctuation.
Ok, here. "";::;;??!!?...,,,"''!!..??.
Insert as needed. :-)
Tim Bengtson
> Yes, but methinks that was intentional.
Okay, but how about the four usage errors and one punctuation error?
Tim
John E. Carty
I do know that a preposition is something you don't end a sentence with :-)
Jack
Maurice Givens wrote:
> I do not consider Websters to be a dictionary, but rather a collection
> of ways the public is now using a language, whether that use be correct
> or not.
For Webster's, and all of us, usage defines meaning. Over time the
"correct" meaning disappears. Polite society would not use many of the
words used regularly today if the original meanings still prevailed. If
you destroy every TV set in the country you might slow the process
somewhat.
Would that it were not so. We old guys REALLY notice the deterioration
of the language.
Jack
vincent p. norris
>
to her mother, "What did you bring that book I don't want to be read
to out of up for?"
vince norris
John Clonts
vincent p. norris <vp...@psu.edu> wrote in message
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I heard that the book was purchased in Australia:
"... don't want to be read to from down under up for?"
Cheers,
John
G.R. Patterson III
"John E. Carty" wrote:
>
> I do know that a preposition is something you don't end a sentence with :-)
That is a rule up with which I will not put.
Dan Thompson
"G.R. Patterson III" <grpp...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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John
<grpp...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Paul Sengupta wrote:
> >
> > Where's that Eagleson bloke? Isn't that his argument for being
> > totally incomprehensible?
>
> He's posting under the name "Maule Driver" these days. :-)
Is that so that it's OK to maul the language? -)
John
Or, as Churchill once said, "Ending a sentence with a preposition is
something up with which I will not put."
>
Doug
am wondering if anyone has seen a thinwall, or super thin wall socket
anywhere? Or should I just grind a cheapo down (or turn it)?
D.A. Hood
drill press and took a file then paper then green wool to it. Came
out pretty even. Did you try the Snap On 1/4"swivel socket?
Dan Thompson
reading now.
A Texas A&M graduate is up in Boston for a professional meeting of some kind
being held on the Harvard campus. With some time to kill, he decides to
check out the world-famous Harvard Library. Not sure of its location, he
asks a student, "Excuse me, can you tell me where the library is at?"
Student says, "Sir this is Harvard, where we never end sentences with a
preposition." A&M says, "Fine, can you tell me where the library is at,
asshole?"
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Greg Hopp
After receiving a Minute issued by a priggish civil servant, objecting
to the ending of a sentence with a preposition and the use of a
dangling participle in official documents, Churchill red pencilled in
the margin: "This is the sort of pedantry up with which I will not
put."
Which makes it more humorous.
GregH.
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