Guess the Bridge?

Ken S. Tucker

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Nov 12, 2012, 2:46:04 AM11/12/12

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"Desperate to destroy the bridge, the Germans conducted air raids, V-2
rocket attacks, and frogman assaults against it."

Naturally, some of the historical types know the answer.
However the idea of throwing V2's at a bridge is unusual,
like hitting a hair with a dart, given the apogee and
bridge width. Sounds like Hitlers idea.
Ken

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

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Nov 12, 2012, 12:49:16 PM11/12/12

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In article <k7q9ft$pdh$1...@dont-email.me>,

Remagen?

Moramarth

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Nov 12, 2012, 6:28:01 PM11/12/12

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On 12 Nov, 17:49, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In article <k7q9ft$pd...@dont-email.me>,

> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Desperate to destroy the bridge, the Germans conducted air raids, V-2
> > rocket attacks, and frogman assaults against it."
>
> > Naturally, some of the historical types know the answer.
> > However the idea of throwing V2's at a bridge is unusual,
> > like hitting a hair with a dart, given the apogee and
> > bridge width. Sounds like Hitlers idea.
> > Ken
>
> Remagen?

Sounds like it. A friend of mine had a print of the jet bomber attack
on the bridge, signed by some of the participants...

Gernot Hassenpflug

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Nov 12, 2012, 9:38:06 PM11/12/12

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I'm sure it made everyone nearby feel a lot better, knowing that the V2's were most unlikely to hit the bridge <dry>.
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eugene...@gmail.com

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Nov 12, 2012, 10:48:12 PM11/12/12

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Quoting from "The Bridge at Remagen" by Ken Hecher (p184 in the paperback version):

Bayerlein commented that when the troops heard of Hitler's fantastic plan to use a highly inaccurate weapon as a tactical weapon close to the front lines, "the knowledge of this possibility did not increase the German soldiers' will to resist on that particular piece of ground."

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He also reports about eleven V-2 rockets landed in the general area, none on the bridge itself. Frogmen, air attacks, and a 17-centimeter railroad gun were also used. The frogmen weren't able to launch their attack until shortly after the bridge collapsed, but proceeded anyway in hopes of damaging the pontoon bridges (but failed in that).

Ian B MacLure

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Nov 12, 2012, 11:18:25 PM11/12/12

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"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
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Right location but not the actual name of the bridge.

Gernot Hassenpflug

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Nov 13, 2012, 12:37:28 AM11/13/12

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Finally found it on Wikipedia. Famous German general... he had a plan.
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Ken S. Tucker

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Nov 13, 2012, 2:01:32 AM11/13/12

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On Nov 12, 8:18 pm, Ian B MacLure <i...@svpal.org> wrote:
> "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote innews:atlas-bugged-DE01...@news.solani.org:
>
> > In article <k7q9ft$pd...@dont-email.me>,

> > "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Desperate to destroy the bridge, the Germans conducted air raids, V-2
> >> rocket attacks, and frogman assaults against it."
>
> >> Naturally, some of the historical types know the answer.
> >> However the idea of throwing V2's at a bridge is unusual,
> >> like hitting a hair with a dart, given the apogee and
> >> bridge width. Sounds like Hitlers idea.
> >> Ken
>
> > Remagen?
>
> Right location but not the actual name of the bridge.

Correct by my refs, would like to study the 'Remagen Air Battle'
more though.
Ken

Jim Wilkins

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Nov 13, 2012, 8:36:27 AM11/13/12

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"Ken S. Tucker" <dyna...@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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> Correct by my refs, would like to study the 'Remagen Air Battle'
> more though.
> Ken

http://www.airdefenseartillery.com/online/2010/ADA%20In%20Action/WWII/WWII/AAARemagen.pdf
The Germans may have developed Blitzkrieg tactical air support but
theirs performed poorly against first-rate opposition, for instance
this bridge, British radar sites and invasion forces.

Hey Gordon, all I use is a 7-year-old laptop and dial-up.
http://www.mybasicisp.net/

jsw

David E. Powell

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Nov 13, 2012, 9:32:59 PM11/13/12

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The Ludendorff bridge? There's a name that comes up a couple times. Interesting duality.

Ian B MacLure

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Nov 13, 2012, 11:36:39 PM11/13/12

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Gernot Hassenpflug <ha4h...@asahi-net.or.jp> wrote in
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Not referring to Schlieffen are we?
That would be incorect.

Ken S. Tucker

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Nov 14, 2012, 11:35:15 AM11/14/12

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This too seems a good ref...
http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/worldwarii/p/remagen.htm

On Nov11 the movie "Bridge at Remagen" was depicted as 'true',
seems so. The dilemma was -for both sides- to destroy it or not,
the admixture of strategy/tactics entering the decision is still
debatable, in hindsight things worked out well for the Allies.
Ken

Ken S. Tucker

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Nov 14, 2012, 11:40:21 AM11/14/12

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Awhile back our IBM went intermittent, it was a micro-case job
with some thermal issues.
Well we fixed that one, got two more + a windows 98 job.
The Dell we have is really a good machine, $ ok.
Ken

Gordon

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Nov 14, 2012, 3:26:33 PM11/14/12

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back with y'all... Computer issues fixed, thanks for the new video and motherboard, Dell. Back On Topic - old friend Hans Busch took part in those air raids as part of the 75 jet strike from KG 51 and KG 76, with odds and ends thrown in from anyone with a jet and bomb racks. No body got close, according to him the flak was blistering.

Jim Wilkins

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Nov 14, 2012, 4:11:28 PM11/14/12

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"Ken S. Tucker" <dyna...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> This too seems a good ref...
> http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/worldwarii/p/remagen.htm
>
> On Nov11 the movie "Bridge at Remagen" was depicted as 'true',
> seems so. The dilemma was -for both sides- to destroy it or not,
> the admixture of strategy/tactics entering the decision is still
> debatable, in hindsight things worked out well for the Allies.
> Ken

The Remagen bridge was very useful but not essential, as Patton and
Montgomery soon threw their own across:
http://www.150th.com/rivers/rhine_in.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plunder

jsw

Gernot Hassenpflug

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Nov 14, 2012, 8:49:49 PM11/14/12

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No. Yes.
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