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Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
May 21, 2012, 6:50:43 PM5/21/12
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We broadcast from Chicago, site of the largest NATO summit in the
organization’s six-decade history. On Sunday, veterans of the Iraq
and Afghanistan wars, as well as members of Afghans for Peace, led
a peace march of thousands of people. Iraq Veterans Against the
War held a ceremony where nearly 50 veterans discarded their war
medals by hurling them down the street in the direction of the
NATO summit. We hear the soldiers’ voices as they return their
medals one by one from the stage. "I’m here to return my Global
War on Terror Service Medal in solidarity with the people of Iraq
and the people of Afghanistan," said Jason Hurd, a former combat
medic who spent 10 years in the U.S. Army. "I am deeply sorry for
the destruction that we have caused in those countries and around
the globe." [includes rush transcript]
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/21/no_nato_no_war_us_veterans
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Bravo!
;-)
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determine if his actions are moral, and no government
or army may ever take that responsibility away.
definition:
murder - the unjustifiable (immoral) killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS.
Bill
May 21, 2012, 7:01:18 PM5/21/12
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In article <HYOdnVjNbfwDWyfS...@supernews.com>,
dr...@jameford.edu says...
uniforms, like that failed presidential candidate Kerry claims he did.
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When you hear the words 'Our people are our greatest asset' then it's
time to leave.
dr...@jameford.edu says...
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> We broadcast from Chicago, site of the largest NATO summit in the
> organization?s six-decade history. On Sunday, veterans of the Iraq
> -------------------------------------------------
> We broadcast from Chicago, site of the largest NATO summit in the
> and Afghanistan wars, as well as members of Afghans for Peace, led
> a peace march of thousands of people. Iraq Veterans Against the
> War held a ceremony where nearly 50 veterans discarded their war
> medals by hurling them down the street in the direction of the
> NATO summit.
Watched it, didn't see many medals flying, mainly medal tapes from
> a peace march of thousands of people. Iraq Veterans Against the
> War held a ceremony where nearly 50 veterans discarded their war
> medals by hurling them down the street in the direction of the
> NATO summit.
uniforms, like that failed presidential candidate Kerry claims he did.
--
William Black
When you hear the words 'Our people are our greatest asset' then it's
time to leave.
Daryl
May 21, 2012, 7:19:26 PM5/21/12
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On 5/21/2012 4:50 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> We broadcast from Chicago, site of the largest NATO summit in the
> organization’s six-decade history. On Sunday, veterans of the Iraq
> and Afghanistan wars, as well as members of Afghans for Peace, led
> a peace march of thousands of people. Iraq Veterans Against the
> War held a ceremony where nearly 50 veterans discarded their war
> medals by hurling them down the street in the direction of the
> NATO summit. We hear the soldiers’ voices as they return their
> medals one by one from the stage. "I’m here to return my Global
> War on Terror Service Medal in solidarity with the people of Iraq
> and the people of Afghanistan," said Jason Hurd, a former combat
> medic who spent 10 years in the U.S. Army. "I am deeply sorry for
> the destruction that we have caused in those countries and around
> the globe." [includes rush transcript]
> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/21/no_nato_no_war_us_veterans
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> Bravo!
> ;-)
>
>
Similiar to the one in 1971, Kerry threw medals. But it's been
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> We broadcast from Chicago, site of the largest NATO summit in the
> organization’s six-decade history. On Sunday, veterans of the Iraq
> and Afghanistan wars, as well as members of Afghans for Peace, led
> a peace march of thousands of people. Iraq Veterans Against the
> War held a ceremony where nearly 50 veterans discarded their war
> medals by hurling them down the street in the direction of the
> NATO summit. We hear the soldiers’ voices as they return their
> medals one by one from the stage. "I’m here to return my Global
> War on Terror Service Medal in solidarity with the people of Iraq
> and the people of Afghanistan," said Jason Hurd, a former combat
> medic who spent 10 years in the U.S. Army. "I am deeply sorry for
> the destruction that we have caused in those countries and around
> the globe." [includes rush transcript]
> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/21/no_nato_no_war_us_veterans
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> Bravo!
> ;-)
>
>
found out they weren't his. He still has his. It's faked.
Now for the reason for this one. All the ones that stood there
and gave back medals (notice, anyone can buy those trinkets) that
weren't even medals. They are ribbons. No Purple Hearts and
above. They are calling them medals but they are campaign
medals. I can purchase them all over the place.
I did promise a reason. All of these kids are part of the
Reserve Military Asset. Guess what, they might be called back up
if needed. So they do crap like this.
Actually, I don't believe most of them really were in the
Military. It's about as believable as the 1971 one. But there
is one thing different. At least Kerry really DID earn medals
including Purple Hearts and a Silver. None of these clowns even
comes close even to our outcasts from Vietnam like Kerry.
What a bunch of dweebs.
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Andrew Swallow
May 21, 2012, 9:13:26 PM5/21/12
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On 22/05/2012 00:19, Daryl wrote:
> On 5/21/2012 4:50 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> We broadcast from Chicago, site of the largest NATO summit in the
>> organization�s six-decade history. On Sunday, veterans of the Iraq
> On 5/21/2012 4:50 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> We broadcast from Chicago, site of the largest NATO summit in the
>> and Afghanistan wars, as well as members of Afghans for Peace, led
>> a peace march of thousands of people. Iraq Veterans Against the
>> War held a ceremony where nearly 50 veterans discarded their war
>> medals by hurling them down the street in the direction of the
>> NATO summit. We hear the soldiers� voices as they return their
>> a peace march of thousands of people. Iraq Veterans Against the
>> War held a ceremony where nearly 50 veterans discarded their war
>> medals by hurling them down the street in the direction of the
>> medals one by one from the stage. "I�m here to return my Global
Andrew Swallow
red...@lava.net
May 21, 2012, 10:06:24 PM5/21/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 17:19:26 -0600, Daryl <dh...@nospami70west3.com>
wrote:
>On 5/21/2012 4:50 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> We broadcast from Chicago, site of the largest NATO summit in the
>> organization’s six-decade history. On Sunday, veterans of the Iraq
>> and Afghanistan wars, as well as members of Afghans for Peace, led
>> a peace march of thousands of people. Iraq Veterans Against the
>> War held a ceremony where nearly 50 veterans discarded their war
>> medals by hurling them down the street in the direction of the
>> NATO summit. We hear the soldiers’ voices as they return their
>> medals one by one from the stage. "I’m here to return my Global
>> War on Terror Service Medal in solidarity with the people of Iraq
>> and the people of Afghanistan," said Jason Hurd, a former combat
>> medic who spent 10 years in the U.S. Army. "I am deeply sorry for
>> the destruction that we have caused in those countries and around
>> the globe." [includes rush transcript]
>> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/21/no_nato_no_war_us_veterans
>> -------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Bravo!
>> ;-)
>>
>>
>
wrote:
>On 5/21/2012 4:50 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> We broadcast from Chicago, site of the largest NATO summit in the
>> organization’s six-decade history. On Sunday, veterans of the Iraq
>> and Afghanistan wars, as well as members of Afghans for Peace, led
>> a peace march of thousands of people. Iraq Veterans Against the
>> War held a ceremony where nearly 50 veterans discarded their war
>> medals by hurling them down the street in the direction of the
>> NATO summit. We hear the soldiers’ voices as they return their
>> medals one by one from the stage. "I’m here to return my Global
>> War on Terror Service Medal in solidarity with the people of Iraq
>> and the people of Afghanistan," said Jason Hurd, a former combat
>> medic who spent 10 years in the U.S. Army. "I am deeply sorry for
>> the destruction that we have caused in those countries and around
>> the globe." [includes rush transcript]
>> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/21/no_nato_no_war_us_veterans
>> -------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Bravo!
>> ;-)
>>
>>
>
>Actually, I don't believe most of them really were in the
>Military.
Yeah, Nixon said the same thing...
>Military.
Daryl
May 22, 2012, 12:48:29 AM5/22/12
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much money was spent by the Communists to keep that pressure on?
Time tells us that they were masters at politics while we were
masters of war. Politics wins wars. I wonder how much the
Taliban or ALQ is spending on such things?
red...@lava.net
May 22, 2012, 1:13:24 AM5/22/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 22:48:29 -0600, Daryl <dh...@nospami70west3.com>
redvet: Nope he wasn't correct, most were in the military, Vietnam in
fact
Unfortunately, Congress didn't think so. How
>much money was spent by the Communists to keep that pressure on?
> Time tells us that they were masters at politics while we were
>masters of war.
redvet: I don't believe history would would show that we, or the
Vietnamese collaborators we trained, were the masters of anything
other than quagmire.
Politics wins wars. I wonder how much the
>Taliban or ALQ is spending on such things?
redvet: Don't know the answer to that either. I do know that history
will record that both ended in a similar way.
fact
Unfortunately, Congress didn't think so. How
>much money was spent by the Communists to keep that pressure on?
> Time tells us that they were masters at politics while we were
>masters of war.
Vietnamese collaborators we trained, were the masters of anything
other than quagmire.
Politics wins wars. I wonder how much the
>Taliban or ALQ is spending on such things?
will record that both ended in a similar way.
Daryl
May 22, 2012, 3:45:56 AM5/22/12
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defeat us. They were almost totally successful but lost in the
end. They were NOT blowing up buildings, crashing planes into
buildings, strapping bombs around themselves and blowing up
schools, etc.. They wanted to spread their brand not blow up the
world.
The same can't be said for the most recent enemies. They will
come to your home and attack you. We didn't attack them. They
attacked us first. They declared war on us, not the other way
around. It's much easier to deal with a communist country than a
bunch of fanatical religious zealots who have no concept of
civilization. They have been fighting this war since before 1266
and will continue to fight it until they either join the
civilized world (dark ages are done) or are wiped out. The rest
of the world really has no choice.
So go ahead, spew your crap but the only thing it will cost is a
few fake cheap medals and ribbons and a few more lives. This is
as real as it gets.
Jim Wilkins
May 22, 2012, 6:44:21 AM5/22/12
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> ...
> The same can't be said for the most recent enemies. They will come
> to your home and attack you. We didn't attack them. They attacked
> us first. They declared war on us, not the other way around....
> to your home and attack you. We didn't attack them. They attacked
They see it differently after their TV shows US-made Israeli tanks and
aircraft attacking Palestinian teenagers. Our efforts to find a
balance are easily dismissed when aid to Arab nations supports hated
dictators.
Daryl
May 22, 2012, 7:32:24 AM5/22/12
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back hundreds of years, those hated dictators worked well far
longer than that when dealing with these people.
The old King of Jordan which is the real birth place of the PLO
would just take them out if they got remotely out of hand. He
understood that you couldn't give them an inch and had to take a
very violent response to them. Why? Historically, if left
unattended, they would try and overthrow everything that got in
their way.
Israel may be part of the equation but it's not part of the
problem. All that's been really done is to redirect those folks
away from trying to overthrow the "Malevolent" Dictators and have
them try and overthrow Israel. It's sort of like the pack of
dogs chasing a car. Once they catch it, they spend all their
time fighting to see who will drive it when none of them are
capable of driving it.
It is sad. Even today, in the US, they are still discovering
Schools receiving Federal Funding that are Muslim Schools with
teaching criteria that pretty much screams, "LLALALALALALA,
DEATH TO AMERICAN AND THE JEWS". This is going on throughout the
western world. About the time you find one and shut it down,
another one crops up to replace it. Meanwhile, the "Moderate"
Muslims will issue an apology to everyone over it. I learned
long ago that it's okay to lie to Infidels. Just like it's okay
to kill them as well. The End Justifies the Means.
Each time those fine folks would get out of line and go for total
domination in the dark anals history, that same "Dictator" would
start to systematically wipe them out until they settle down for
the next 50 to 60 years. The only reason it didn't keep coming
into the west was, it's a very long Camel Ride.
Jim Wilkins
May 22, 2012, 7:49:19 AM5/22/12
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news:jpftgj$6gk$1...@dont-email.me...
> ...The only reason it didn't keep coming into the west was, it's a
> very long Camel Ride.
> ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto
jsw
> ...The only reason it didn't keep coming into the west was, it's a
> very long Camel Ride.
> ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto
jsw
Daryl
May 22, 2012, 11:49:26 AM5/22/12
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On 5/22/2012 5:49 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Daryl"<dh...@nospami70west3.com> wrote in message
> news:jpftgj$6gk$1...@dont-email.me...
>> ...The only reason it didn't keep coming into the west was, it's a
>> very long Camel Ride.
>> ...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours
4 Caliphs later. The Founder of the Muslim religion wasn't born
> "Daryl"<dh...@nospami70west3.com> wrote in message
> news:jpftgj$6gk$1...@dont-email.me...
>> ...The only reason it didn't keep coming into the west was, it's a
>> very long Camel Ride.
>> ...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours
until 640 AD. In just over 100 years, the Muslims became a world
class power pretty well united Under the Caliphs. With one
thing on their mind. World Conquest. You can call it political,
or you can call it religious right or you can call it what it
really is and that is Power but it's all the same.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto
And it's 1000 years later and still going strong. The 16th Century.
The way it was stopped after that was for the city states and
Kingdoms to just kill the Muslims if they were too militant and
sell the rest into slavery. Most did escape and I think that was
the idea the Monarchs had in the first place. Get them out any
way you have to.
The problem always has been that the Muslims will protect other
muslims against the Infidels no matter how poorly some of them
act. And if you read the Koran, it's a real piece of work where
all of the violence and lying to Infidels is okay. After all,
the ends justify the means and the means are to convert the
entire world to the one true God or kill off everyone that won't
convert.
Personally, this method is about the same level as Nazi Germany
and Japan. Same basic methods. And I believe it should be
handled the same way. There is little difference between a
country doing it and a well founded religion doing it. If it's a
Country doing it you get rid of the countries leadership. Even
the Moderate ones. This is how the Monarchs handled it to
contain it. Not like we are doing today only to see it spread
with the same violence patterns.
150flivver
May 22, 2012, 12:11:16 PM5/22/12
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On Monday, May 21, 2012 5:50:43 PM UTC-5, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------
... "I’m here to return my Global
> -------------------------------------------------
> War on Terror Service Medal in solidarity with the people of Iraq
> and the people of Afghanistan," said Jason Hurd, a former combat
> medic who spent 10 years in the U.S. Army. "I am deeply sorry for
> the destruction that we have caused in those countries and around
> the globe." [includes rush transcript]
> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/21/no_nato_no_war_us_veterans
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> Bravo!
> ;-)...
> and the people of Afghanistan," said Jason Hurd, a former combat
> medic who spent 10 years in the U.S. Army. "I am deeply sorry for
> the destruction that we have caused in those countries and around
> the globe." [includes rush transcript]
> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/21/no_nato_no_war_us_veterans
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> Bravo!
It's not correct to lump the war in Iraq with the war in Afghanistan as wars against global terrorism. The Iraq war was a huge mistake as it had nothing to do with global terrorism and everything to do with kicking Saddam Hussein out of power. Iraq was not supporting Al Quaeda in any way and had divested itself of any weapons of mass destruction. Afghanistan and the Taliban, however, were supporting global terrorists by allowing them sanctuary and training facilities so that Al Quaeda could export terrorism throughout the middle east and beyond. Unfortunately, the war in Iraq distracted US forces from the legitimate goal of eliminating global terrorists operating from Afghanistan and by the time sufficient attention was put on the Taliban, they had retreated to sanctuaries in the mountains and Pakistan where they could outlast US/NATO involvement.
Stumpy
May 22, 2012, 12:16:51 PM5/22/12
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that GWT medal is about like the ol KP medal ain't it?
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May 22, 2012, 2:55:47 PM5/22/12
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<red...@lava.net> wrote in message...
>>> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/21/no_nato_no_war_us_veterans
Their actions were certainly not helpful toward him
accomplishing the goal he was embarked on, that they,
and vast majority of country wanted.
The Vietnam War under POTUSs Kennedy and Johnson
had become an unpopular quagmire, and had cost too
many of our good youth.
So, in his first term POTUS Nixon went from prior
over 500,000 in country, to Peace Treaty and out.
What now are even the plans of POTUS Obama to get
the US out of these much smaller quagmires?
He certainly has no plan to accomplish it in his first term.
> Daryl <dh...@nospami70west3.com> wrote:
>>On 5/21/2012 4:50 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>> We broadcast from Chicago, site of the largest NATO summit in the
>>> organization's six-decade history. On Sunday, veterans of the Iraq
>>> and Afghanistan wars, as well as members of Afghans for Peace, led
>>> a peace march of thousands of people. Iraq Veterans Against the
>>> War held a ceremony where nearly 50 veterans discarded their war
>>> medals by hurling them down the street in the direction of the
>>> NATO summit. -----
>>On 5/21/2012 4:50 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>> We broadcast from Chicago, site of the largest NATO summit in the
>>> organization's six-decade history. On Sunday, veterans of the Iraq
>>> and Afghanistan wars, as well as members of Afghans for Peace, led
>>> a peace march of thousands of people. Iraq Veterans Against the
>>> War held a ceremony where nearly 50 veterans discarded their war
>>> medals by hurling them down the street in the direction of the
>>> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/21/no_nato_no_war_us_veterans
>>> Bravo!
>>> ;-)
>
>>Actually, I don't believe most of them really were in the
>>Military.
>
> Yeah, Nixon said the same thing...
Perhaps POTUS Nixon did say something like that.
>>> ;-)
>
>>Actually, I don't believe most of them really were in the
>>Military.
>
> Yeah, Nixon said the same thing...
Their actions were certainly not helpful toward him
accomplishing the goal he was embarked on, that they,
and vast majority of country wanted.
The Vietnam War under POTUSs Kennedy and Johnson
had become an unpopular quagmire, and had cost too
many of our good youth.
So, in his first term POTUS Nixon went from prior
over 500,000 in country, to Peace Treaty and out.
What now are even the plans of POTUS Obama to get
the US out of these much smaller quagmires?
He certainly has no plan to accomplish it in his first term.
150flivver
May 22, 2012, 10:28:35 PM5/22/12
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On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:55:47 PM UTC-5, a425couple wrote:
> What now are even the plans of POTUS Obama to get
> the US out of these much smaller quagmires?
> He certainly has no plan to accomplish it in his first term.
Don't troop withdrawals and a handover of security responsibilities to Afghanistan's security forces meet your definition of a plan? Unlike other politicians, Obama has been forthcoming in his intention to extricate the majority of US combat forces from Afghanistan sooner rather than later.
> What now are even the plans of POTUS Obama to get
> the US out of these much smaller quagmires?
> He certainly has no plan to accomplish it in his first term.
red...@lava.net
May 22, 2012, 10:50:29 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 01:45:56 -0600, Daryl <dh...@nospami70west3.com>
redvet; Seem to recall those were PAVEN tanks rolling in to Saigon. It
strikes me as ' military'.
They were almost totally successful but lost in the
>end. They were NOT blowing up buildings, crashing planes into
>buildings, strapping bombs around themselves and blowing up
>schools, etc.. They wanted to spread their brand not blow up the
>world.
>
>The same can't be said for the most recent enemies. They will
>come to your home and attack you.
redvet: Hardly, we've been negotiating with them so we don't see
people clinging to the skids of helicopters as we withdrawl...Frankly
I not not certain that will work, but what other options do we have?
We didn't attack them. They
>attacked us first.
redvet: oh balderdash, they were the chickens coming home.
Perhaps if if we had treated them as hill bandits rather than create
folk heroes out of them....
They declared war on us, not the other way
>around. It's much easier to deal with a communist country than a
>bunch of fanatical religious zealots who have no concept of
>civilization. They have been fighting this war since before 1266
>and will continue to fight it until they either join the
>civilized world (dark ages are done) or are wiped out. The rest
>of the world really has no choice.
>
>So go ahead, spew your crap but the only thing it will cost is a
>few fake cheap medals and ribbons and a few more lives. This is
>as real as it gets.
redvet: None the less, most of the vets at Dewey Canyon III were vets.
Even more dumped their medals in protest to the genocidal war that was
Vietnam, as were the vets recently in Chicago. Gotta ask yourself,
what did the vets in Chicago know that you don't.
strikes me as ' military'.
They were almost totally successful but lost in the
>end. They were NOT blowing up buildings, crashing planes into
>buildings, strapping bombs around themselves and blowing up
>schools, etc.. They wanted to spread their brand not blow up the
>world.
>
>The same can't be said for the most recent enemies. They will
>come to your home and attack you.
people clinging to the skids of helicopters as we withdrawl...Frankly
I not not certain that will work, but what other options do we have?
We didn't attack them. They
>attacked us first.
Perhaps if if we had treated them as hill bandits rather than create
folk heroes out of them....
They declared war on us, not the other way
>around. It's much easier to deal with a communist country than a
>bunch of fanatical religious zealots who have no concept of
>civilization. They have been fighting this war since before 1266
>and will continue to fight it until they either join the
>civilized world (dark ages are done) or are wiped out. The rest
>of the world really has no choice.
>
>So go ahead, spew your crap but the only thing it will cost is a
>few fake cheap medals and ribbons and a few more lives. This is
>as real as it gets.
Even more dumped their medals in protest to the genocidal war that was
Vietnam, as were the vets recently in Chicago. Gotta ask yourself,
what did the vets in Chicago know that you don't.
Daryl
May 23, 2012, 4:33:07 AM5/23/12
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battles won were supported and won by the Communists in the
United States and other Western Countries. You conveniently
leave that out.
>
> They were almost totally successful but lost in the
>> end. They were NOT blowing up buildings, crashing planes into
>> buildings, strapping bombs around themselves and blowing up
>> schools, etc.. They wanted to spread their brand not blow up the
>> world.
>>
>> The same can't be said for the most recent enemies. They will
>> come to your home and attack you.
>
> redvet: Hardly, we've been negotiating with them so we don't see
> people clinging to the skids of helicopters as we withdrawl...Frankly
> I not not certain that will work, but what other options do we have?
wherever they might be.
>
> We didn't attack them. They
>> attacked us first.
>
> redvet: oh balderdash, they were the chickens coming home.
> Perhaps if if we had treated them as hill bandits rather than create
> folk heroes out of them....
over, sounds to me like the US is just their newest enemy. Just
how many times must they declare war (one does not need a country
to declare war) before the rest of the world says, "Enough" like
our ancestors did in history.
>
>
> They declared war on us, not the other way
>> around. It's much easier to deal with a communist country than a
>> bunch of fanatical religious zealots who have no concept of
>> civilization. They have been fighting this war since before 1266
>> and will continue to fight it until they either join the
>> civilized world (dark ages are done) or are wiped out. The rest
>> of the world really has no choice.
>>
>> So go ahead, spew your crap but the only thing it will cost is a
>> few fake cheap medals and ribbons and a few more lives. This is
>> as real as it gets.
>
> redvet: None the less, most of the vets at Dewey Canyon III were vets.
> Even more dumped their medals in protest to the genocidal war that was
> Vietnam, as were the vets recently in Chicago. Gotta ask yourself,
> what did the vets in Chicago know that you don't.
Find that out and then follow the money.
Bill
May 23, 2012, 5:12:25 AM5/23/12
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> >>>>>>> medals one by one from the stage. "I?m here to return my Global
Of course you need a country to declare war.
Otherwise you're just a bandit.
> > redvet: None the less, most of the vets at Dewey Canyon III were vets.
> > Even more dumped their medals in protest to the genocidal war that was
> > Vietnam, as were the vets recently in Chicago. Gotta ask yourself,
> > what did the vets in Chicago know that you don't.
>
> And who was bankrolling it? Someone with very deep pockets.
> Find that out and then follow the money.
Again you're being silly.
Peace movements have never needed 'bankrolling', that's because they're
popular in some sections of society.
They're really popular in those sections of society where someone's son
has been blow apart...
Peace movements are self propagating because if every person who lost a
child in a war puts a few dollars into the pot.
Wars where people are considered to have died in a good cause don't
cause these problems. Bad wars, where people get killed to no good
purpose, die off due to lack of support.
says...
>
> On 5/22/2012 8:50 PM, red...@lava.net wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 May 2012 01:45:56 -0600, Daryl<dh...@nospami70west3.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/21/2012 11:13 PM, red...@lava.net wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 22:48:29 -0600, Daryl<dh...@nospami70west3.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 5/21/2012 8:06 PM, red...@lava.net wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 17:19:26 -0600, Daryl<dh...@nospami70west3.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/21/2012 4:50 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> We broadcast from Chicago, site of the largest NATO summit in the
> >>>>>>> organization?s six-decade history. On Sunday, veterans of the Iraq
> On 5/22/2012 8:50 PM, red...@lava.net wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 May 2012 01:45:56 -0600, Daryl<dh...@nospami70west3.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/21/2012 11:13 PM, red...@lava.net wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 22:48:29 -0600, Daryl<dh...@nospami70west3.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 5/21/2012 8:06 PM, red...@lava.net wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 17:19:26 -0600, Daryl<dh...@nospami70west3.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/21/2012 4:50 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> We broadcast from Chicago, site of the largest NATO summit in the
> >>>>>>> and Afghanistan wars, as well as members of Afghans for Peace, led
> >>>>>>> a peace march of thousands of people. Iraq Veterans Against the
> >>>>>>> War held a ceremony where nearly 50 veterans discarded their war
> >>>>>>> medals by hurling them down the street in the direction of the
> >>>>>>> NATO summit. We hear the soldiers? voices as they return their
> >>>>>>> a peace march of thousands of people. Iraq Veterans Against the
> >>>>>>> War held a ceremony where nearly 50 veterans discarded their war
> >>>>>>> medals by hurling them down the street in the direction of the
> >>>>>>> medals one by one from the stage. "I?m here to return my Global
Otherwise you're just a bandit.
> > redvet: None the less, most of the vets at Dewey Canyon III were vets.
> > Even more dumped their medals in protest to the genocidal war that was
> > Vietnam, as were the vets recently in Chicago. Gotta ask yourself,
> > what did the vets in Chicago know that you don't.
>
> And who was bankrolling it? Someone with very deep pockets.
> Find that out and then follow the money.
Peace movements have never needed 'bankrolling', that's because they're
popular in some sections of society.
They're really popular in those sections of society where someone's son
has been blow apart...
Peace movements are self propagating because if every person who lost a
child in a war puts a few dollars into the pot.
Wars where people are considered to have died in a good cause don't
cause these problems. Bad wars, where people get killed to no good
purpose, die off due to lack of support.
NickyK
May 23, 2012, 3:59:33 PM5/23/12
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On May 21, 7:01 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <HYOdnVjNbfwDWyfSnZ2dnUVZ_rKdn...@supernews.com>,
> d...@jameford.edu says...
YAWNzzzzzzz
> In article <HYOdnVjNbfwDWyfSnZ2dnUVZ_rKdn...@supernews.com>,
> d...@jameford.edu says...
NickyK
May 23, 2012, 3:59:24 PM5/23/12
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Moose Breath
May 24, 2012, 12:38:51 AM5/24/12
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Bill <black...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.2a24d9992...@news.eternal-september.org:
> In article <HYOdnVjNbfwDWyfS...@supernews.com>,
> dr...@jameford.edu says...
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> We broadcast from Chicago, site of the largest NATO summit in the
>> organization?s six-decade history. On Sunday, veterans of the Iraq
>> and Afghanistan wars, as well as members of Afghans for Peace, led
>> a peace march of thousands of people. Iraq Veterans Against the
>> War held a ceremony where nearly 50 veterans discarded their war
>> medals by hurling them down the street in the direction of the
>> NATO summit.
>
> Watched it, didn't see many medals flying, mainly medal tapes from
> uniforms, like that failed presidential candidate Kerry claims he
> did.
>
>
Obviously, you aren't/weren't in the Military. Since at least during
Vietnam, the Army has not handed out actual medals below a certain
value. When I was serving in the early-mid 70s, I do believe the line
was the Silver Star, might have been the Bronze Star. The only medal
they will always hand out is the Congressional Medal Of Honor. Below
that line, they gave you a ribbon and you bought the medal. The only
requirement to buying the medal was the purchase price. Real ones are
not cheap.
One doesn't decide to refuse the tokens on a whim. Usually, dark
thoughts about ones service conditions fester for years before acting on
them. In cases like these, the veteran would not have spent the money
in the first place, and buying some pretty just to pitch it has as much
emotional value as tossing an empty cat food can. Servicemen/women
sweat blood before they get those medal tapes. The tape and a handshake
is about all they get and many don't get that. About the only action
with higher emotional value would be something like self-immolation.
news:MPG.2a24d9992...@news.eternal-september.org:
> In article <HYOdnVjNbfwDWyfS...@supernews.com>,
> dr...@jameford.edu says...
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> We broadcast from Chicago, site of the largest NATO summit in the
>> organization?s six-decade history. On Sunday, veterans of the Iraq
>> and Afghanistan wars, as well as members of Afghans for Peace, led
>> a peace march of thousands of people. Iraq Veterans Against the
>> War held a ceremony where nearly 50 veterans discarded their war
>> medals by hurling them down the street in the direction of the
>> NATO summit.
>
> Watched it, didn't see many medals flying, mainly medal tapes from
> uniforms, like that failed presidential candidate Kerry claims he
> did.
>
>
Vietnam, the Army has not handed out actual medals below a certain
value. When I was serving in the early-mid 70s, I do believe the line
was the Silver Star, might have been the Bronze Star. The only medal
they will always hand out is the Congressional Medal Of Honor. Below
that line, they gave you a ribbon and you bought the medal. The only
requirement to buying the medal was the purchase price. Real ones are
not cheap.
One doesn't decide to refuse the tokens on a whim. Usually, dark
thoughts about ones service conditions fester for years before acting on
them. In cases like these, the veteran would not have spent the money
in the first place, and buying some pretty just to pitch it has as much
emotional value as tossing an empty cat food can. Servicemen/women
sweat blood before they get those medal tapes. The tape and a handshake
is about all they get and many don't get that. About the only action
with higher emotional value would be something like self-immolation.
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
May 24, 2012, 12:50:17 AM5/24/12
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Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
May 24, 2012, 12:52:49 AM5/24/12
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could not accomplish its mission. The Vietnamese won many battles
against the U.S. (and French)...where do you think the large number
of U.S. KIA came from?
You're a loser, squealing how the U.S. was cheated out of victory.
;-)
Eugene Griessel
May 24, 2012, 3:34:59 AM5/24/12
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Op Wed, 23 May 2012 21:50:17 -0700, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
False name - one of many aliases used.
False pre-nominal title.
False post-nominal title.
False place of employment.
False job-title.
The immoral preaching morality.
False name - one of many aliases used.
False pre-nominal title.
False post-nominal title.
False place of employment.
False job-title.
The immoral preaching morality.
Eugene Griessel
May 24, 2012, 3:35:25 AM5/24/12
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Op Wed, 23 May 2012 21:52:49 -0700, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
False name - one of many aliases used.
False pre-nominal title.
False post-nominal title.
False place of employment.
False job-title.
The academic with a strange ignorance of
the subjects he claims knowledge of.
False name - one of many aliases used.
False pre-nominal title.
False post-nominal title.
False place of employment.
False job-title.
the subjects he claims knowledge of.
Andrew Swallow
May 24, 2012, 6:54:25 AM5/24/12
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Andrew Swallow
Andrew Swallow
May 24, 2012, 6:56:09 AM5/24/12
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Andrew Swallow
Andrew Swallow
May 24, 2012, 7:03:13 AM5/24/12
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On 23/05/2012 10:12, Bill wrote:
> In article<jpi7c9$fgg$1...@dont-email.me>, dh...@nospami70west3.com
{snip}
> In article<jpi7c9$fgg$1...@dont-email.me>, dh...@nospami70west3.com
>> And since it's happened for the last 1500 years or so over and
>> over, sounds to me like the US is just their newest enemy. Just
>> how many times must they declare war (one does not need a country
>> to declare war)
>
> Of course you need a country to declare war.
>
> Otherwise you're just a bandit.
>
The Koran does not limit the declaration of Jihad to governments, it is
>> over, sounds to me like the US is just their newest enemy. Just
>> how many times must they declare war (one does not need a country
>> to declare war)
>
> Of course you need a country to declare war.
>
> Otherwise you're just a bandit.
>
a personal act.
Osama bin Laden may have been a bandit but he got support from
governments and important people.
Andrew Swallow
Andrew Swallow
May 24, 2012, 7:05:46 AM5/24/12
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On 22/05/2012 19:55, a425couple wrote:
> <red...@lava.net> wrote in message...
{snip}
the field.
We will get out. The difficult bit is ensuring that we do not have to
return.
Andrew Swallow
> <red...@lava.net> wrote in message...
{snip}
> What now are even the plans of POTUS Obama to get
> the US out of these much smaller quagmires?
> He certainly has no plan to accomplish it in his first term.
He has given an exit date and the military are reducing the troops in
> the US out of these much smaller quagmires?
> He certainly has no plan to accomplish it in his first term.
the field.
We will get out. The difficult bit is ensuring that we do not have to
return.
Andrew Swallow
Bill
May 24, 2012, 7:54:29 AM5/24/12
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In article <ZaGdnbDd6d3piCPS...@bt.com>,
am.sw...@btinternet.com says...
He remained a bandit.
Now 'Social Banditry' is an interesting phenomenon but it remains
banditry and remains a police matter.
Nobody should 'make war' on bandits as it gives then the dignity of
'being soldiers'.
am.sw...@btinternet.com says...
Now 'Social Banditry' is an interesting phenomenon but it remains
banditry and remains a police matter.
Nobody should 'make war' on bandits as it gives then the dignity of
'being soldiers'.
Andrew Swallow
May 24, 2012, 8:25:20 AM5/24/12
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On 24/05/2012 12:54, Bill wrote:
> In article<ZaGdnbDd6d3piCPS...@bt.com>,
> am.sw...@btinternet.com says...
>>
>> On 23/05/2012 10:12, Bill wrote:
>>> In article<jpi7c9$fgg$1...@dont-email.me>, dh...@nospami70west3.com
>> {snip}
>>>> And since it's happened for the last 1500 years or so over and
>>>> over, sounds to me like the US is just their newest enemy. Just
>>>> how many times must they declare war (one does not need a country
>>>> to declare war)
>>>
>>> Of course you need a country to declare war.
>>>
>>> Otherwise you're just a bandit.
>>>
>>
>> The Koran does not limit the declaration of Jihad to governments, it is
>> a personal act.
>>
>> Osama bin Laden may have been a bandit but he got support from
>> governments and important people.
>
> He remained a bandit.
>
> Now 'Social Banditry' is an interesting phenomenon but it remains
> banditry and remains a police matter.
>
> Nobody should 'make war' on bandits as it gives then the dignity of
> 'being soldiers'.
>
>
If the Government of Afghanistan had gone after Osama bin Laden we would
> In article<ZaGdnbDd6d3piCPS...@bt.com>,
> am.sw...@btinternet.com says...
>>
>> On 23/05/2012 10:12, Bill wrote:
>>> In article<jpi7c9$fgg$1...@dont-email.me>, dh...@nospami70west3.com
>> {snip}
>>>> And since it's happened for the last 1500 years or so over and
>>>> over, sounds to me like the US is just their newest enemy. Just
>>>> how many times must they declare war (one does not need a country
>>>> to declare war)
>>>
>>> Of course you need a country to declare war.
>>>
>>> Otherwise you're just a bandit.
>>>
>>
>> The Koran does not limit the declaration of Jihad to governments, it is
>> a personal act.
>>
>> Osama bin Laden may have been a bandit but he got support from
>> governments and important people.
>
> He remained a bandit.
>
> Now 'Social Banditry' is an interesting phenomenon but it remains
> banditry and remains a police matter.
>
> Nobody should 'make war' on bandits as it gives then the dignity of
> 'being soldiers'.
>
>
have not needed to invade. Or we could have just sent the 4 helicopters
that got him in the end.
Andrew Swallow
Strobe
May 24, 2012, 10:57:35 AM5/24/12
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Bill
May 24, 2012, 10:58:29 AM5/24/12
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Daryl
May 24, 2012, 1:22:14 PM5/24/12
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checked, they could walk around the Med.
george152
May 24, 2012, 4:34:39 PM5/24/12
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Andrew Swallow wrote:
> Also camels cannot swim across the Mediterranean.
>
All that water gives them the hump
> Also camels cannot swim across the Mediterranean.
>
NickyK
May 24, 2012, 5:45:14 PM5/24/12
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NickyK
May 24, 2012, 5:45:24 PM5/24/12
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red...@lava.net
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<stuff edited in the interest of brevity>
redvet: PAVEN didn't win any battles? The puppet survivors of
Operation Lam Son 719 would have a different view...as were the
'murican survivors of other battles. Let not forget that according to
the 'muricans not a single ammo dump explosion was caused by enemy
action <grin>
mention new recruits. An excellent resent example being Helman
province.
redvet: Perhaps, if you believe thats so obvious, you should find out.
http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/home-mainmenu-289/7811-iraq-a-afghanistan-vets-throw-away-blood-medals-at-nato-protest
Jason Heard is expecting your call. - redvet
Operation Lam Son 719 would have a different view...as were the
'murican survivors of other battles. Let not forget that according to
the 'muricans not a single ammo dump explosion was caused by enemy
action <grin>
>
>>
>> They were almost totally successful but lost in the
>>> end. They were NOT blowing up buildings, crashing planes into
>>> buildings, strapping bombs around themselves and blowing up
>>> schools, etc.. They wanted to spread their brand not blow up the
>>> world.
>>>
>>> The same can't be said for the most recent enemies. They will
>>> come to your home and attack you.
>>
>> redvet: Hardly, we've been negotiating with them so we don't see
>> people clinging to the skids of helicopters as we withdrawl...Frankly
>> I not not certain that will work, but what other options do we have?
>
>We have an option of continuing to kill them when we find them
>wherever they might be.
redvet: Yes that will, at this point, create more folk heroes. Not to
>>
>> They were almost totally successful but lost in the
>>> end. They were NOT blowing up buildings, crashing planes into
>>> buildings, strapping bombs around themselves and blowing up
>>> schools, etc.. They wanted to spread their brand not blow up the
>>> world.
>>>
>>> The same can't be said for the most recent enemies. They will
>>> come to your home and attack you.
>>
>> redvet: Hardly, we've been negotiating with them so we don't see
>> people clinging to the skids of helicopters as we withdrawl...Frankly
>> I not not certain that will work, but what other options do we have?
>
>We have an option of continuing to kill them when we find them
>wherever they might be.
mention new recruits. An excellent resent example being Helman
province.
http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/home-mainmenu-289/7811-iraq-a-afghanistan-vets-throw-away-blood-medals-at-nato-protest
Jason Heard is expecting your call. - redvet
a425couple
May 24, 2012, 9:55:13 PM5/24/12
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"Andrew Swallow" <am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message...
Yes, that is always the VERY difficult bit.
And, at the time of still making decisions, you really are
not able to be that sure about how much more/less
is enough.
I'm just very concerned that same with Vietnam,
the longer we have troops fighting in a country,
even if "making progress", they are also gaining
enemys & irritations.
But my more true irritation at the whole thing,
is those that are trying to use it for partisan (D v R)
arguments and trying to have both sides of it
(For voters claim the deaths are R fault,
but claim any success is due to Ds).
Just noting that for the critical votes, the Ds had a
Senate majority, and among others, the current
VP Biden, and current Sec. of State H. Clinton
had voted for both war powers.
I feel after 3 years, the current has some 'ownership'.
And, at the time of still making decisions, you really are
not able to be that sure about how much more/less
is enough.
I'm just very concerned that same with Vietnam,
the longer we have troops fighting in a country,
even if "making progress", they are also gaining
enemys & irritations.
But my more true irritation at the whole thing,
is those that are trying to use it for partisan (D v R)
arguments and trying to have both sides of it
(For voters claim the deaths are R fault,
but claim any success is due to Ds).
Just noting that for the critical votes, the Ds had a
Senate majority, and among others, the current
VP Biden, and current Sec. of State H. Clinton
had voted for both war powers.
I feel after 3 years, the current has some 'ownership'.
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