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 More options Dec 6 2011, 1:32 pm
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military, sci.military.naval
From: dumpst...@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:32:23 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Dec 6 2011 1:32 pm
Subject: Af/Pak & Other News (12/6/2011)
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'Grim new precedent': Dozens die as sectarian violence erupts in
Kabul:

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/06/9240718-grim-new-prec...

Revealed: Karzai's secret plans to cling on to power in Afghanistan:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/revealed-karzais-secret-...

Haqqani leader responsible for truck bomb captured in Afghanistan:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-12/05/c_131288557.htm

US warned Pakistan not to play ‘Russian roulette’ with India:

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/us-warned-pakistan-not-to-play-russ...

Afghanistan opens bids for gold, copper deposits to generate revenue
for war-torn nation:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/industries/afghanistan-opens-b...

Norway to withdraw most troops from Afghanistan in 2013:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Norway_to_withdraw_most_troops_from_A...

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Other news:

U.S. Sources Confirm: RQ-170 Crashed in Iran:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController...

Downed drone was on CIA mission:

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/06/downed-drone-was-on-cia-miss...

Saudi may join nuclear arms race: ex-spy chief:

http://www.defencetalk.com/saudi-may-join-nuclear-arms-race-ex-spy-ch...

Dozens of bodies dumped in Syrian city, activists say:

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/06/9243334-dozens-of-bod...

Barak: Israel tracking Hezbollah arms transfers:

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=248322

Father of YouTube Terrorist Preaches Hate Online, Too:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/awlaki-father/

Hezbollah chief makes rare public appearance:

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/06/9243228-hezbollah-chi...

Suicide bomber strikes near Turkish embassy in Mogadishu:

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE7B512Q20111206

China invited to set up anti-piracy base in Seychelles:

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article...

France Willing to Help Libyans With Training:

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=8476751&c=EUR&s=LAN

Kuwaiti pilot recounts ordeal as POW:

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/NewsDetails/tabid/96/smid/414/ArticleI...

Russia's 'Arab Spring'? Clashes break out in Moscow:

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/06/9245670-russias-arab-...

McCain Slams JSF, Calls Program 'Scandal And A Tragedy;' Contract
Talks Advance:

http://defense.aol.com/2011/12/05/mccain-slams-jsf-calls-program-scan...

PICTURE: China's Wind Blade UAV revealed:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2011/12/picture-chinas-...

Hey Loser, You Can’t Hide From Darpa’s ‘Social Interaction’ Sensors:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/hey-loser-you-cant-hide/

Unmanned Combat Aircraft Tests Move Quickly:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/awst/2011/12...

Chicken fat-fuel to power U.S. warships in 2012 games:

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article...

U.S. Navy jets to fly with used cooking oil:

http://alert5.com/2011/12/06/u-s-navy-jets-to-fly-with-used-cooking-oil/

Insider: $56 Billion Later, Airport Security Is Junk:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/unsafe-skies/

Iraq to buy 12 F-16Cs and 6 F-16Ds Block 52:

http://alert5.com/2011/12/06/iraq-to-buy-12-f-16cs-and-6-f-16ds-block...

Indian Navy to Induct 24 P-8I Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft:

http://www.defencetalk.com/indian-navy-to-induct-24-p-8i-maritime-rec...

'Trail-blazing' U.K. Attack Sub Proves Itself in U.S.:

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=8475844&c=EUR&s=SEA

US put 'low priority' on first India nuclear test:

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/US_put_low_priority_on_first_India_...

Bradley Manning’s Defense Attorney Looks to Blame Military for Leaks:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/12/psychologist-manning-dangerous/

70th Anniversary of Pearl Harbor Approaches; Two new books revisit
devastating attack:

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/usa/US-Marks-70th-Anniversary-of-...


 
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Discussion subject changed to "'Trail-blazing' U.K. Attack Sub Proves Itself in U.S. (was Af/Pak & Other News (12/6/2011))" by Andrew Swallow
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 More options Dec 6 2011, 2:11 pm
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From: Andrew Swallow <am.swal...@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 19:11:13 +0000
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Subject: 'Trail-blazing' U.K. Attack Sub Proves Itself in U.S. (was Af/Pak & Other News (12/6/2011))
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On 06/12/2011 18:32, dumpst...@hotmail.com wrote:

> 'Trail-blazing' U.K. Attack Sub Proves Itself in U.S.:

> http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=8475844&c=EUR&s=SEA

Does this submarine still have the standard problem of not carrying
sufficient fresh water?
We are talking about a machine surrounded by sea water whose engine
works by boiling water.  For reliability distilling sea water may need a
separate boiler for the sea water but the heat is there.

Andrew Swallow


 
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Discussion subject changed to "Bradley Manning’s Defense Attorney Looks to Blame Military for Leaks (was: Af/Pak & Other News (12/6/2011))" by Andrew Swallow
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 More options Dec 6 2011, 2:29 pm
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From: Andrew Swallow <am.swal...@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 19:29:56 +0000
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Subject: Bradley Manning’s Defense Attorney Looks to Blame Military for Leaks (was: Af/Pak & Other News (12/6/2011))
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On 06/12/2011 18:32, dumpst...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Bradley Manning’s Defense Attorney Looks to Blame Military for Leaks:

> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/12/psychologist-manning-dangerous/

Putting music and movies on a computer is a breach of regulations rather
than a major security leak.  The UNCLASSIFIED information is going onto
a SECRET machine, it is not being declassified and sent to a civilian
destination.  Very different.

The military may need to supply, or possibly approve, music and video
players which are read only.

As for uploading computer programs, these are different because they can
be benign or dangerous.  Civilian computer games are (mostly) benign.
 From a security point of view the write to DVD and external device are
the most dangerous - they are also supplied as a standard part of the
operating system.

Andrew Swallow


 
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Discussion subject changed to "'Trail-blazing' U.K. Attack Sub Proves Itself in U.S. (was Af/Pak & Other News (12/6/2011))" by Keith W
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 More options Dec 6 2011, 2:18 pm
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From: "Keith W" <keithnospoofsple...@demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 19:18:58 -0000
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Subject: Re: 'Trail-blazing' U.K. Attack Sub Proves Itself in U.S. (was Af/Pak & Other News (12/6/2011))
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Andrew Swallow wrote:
> On 06/12/2011 18:32, dumpst...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> 'Trail-blazing' U.K. Attack Sub Proves Itself in U.S.:

>> http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=8475844&c=EUR&s=SEA

> Does this submarine still have the standard problem of not carrying
> sufficient fresh water?
> We are talking about a machine surrounded by sea water whose engine
> works by boiling water.  For reliability distilling sea water may
> need a separate boiler for the sea water but the heat is there.

> Andrew Swallow

Distilling sea water by boiling sea water is not the best method. Most
large scale installations use reverse osmosis and the main requirement
for that is lots of electricity.

Keith


 
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 More options Dec 9 2011, 4:19 pm
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From: Andrew Swallow <am.swal...@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 21:19:31 +0000
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On 06/12/2011 19:18, Keith W wrote:

Nuclear submarines have a lot of electricity and are built to handle
high pressures.

Andrew Swallow


 
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 More options Dec 9 2011, 5:12 pm
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From: Paul F Austin <pfaus...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:12:15 -0500
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Subject: Re: 'Trail-blazing' U.K. Attack Sub Proves Itself in U.S. (was Af/Pak & Other News (12/6/2011))
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On 12/9/2011 4:19 PM, Andrew Swallow wrote:

And also have evaporators on board, heated by auxiliary steam (reduced
pressure from the main steam circuit). Batfish, being brand new at the
time (early seventies) produced vast quantities of fresh water. That was
a welcome change from service on a 1944-vintage destroyer where water
hours restrictions were standard. During the Med cruise of 1968, we
spent over a month with no fresh water outside of the crew's mess
(coffee and soup), no laundry and coincidentally, no air conditioning in
the engineering berthing spaces. For guys who worked 12-16 hours a day
in 125+ degree engine rooms and fire rooms, that was real hardship. On
the other hand, since we _made_ the water, we could drink as much as we
liked in the engineering spaces.

Paul


 
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