Shooting down rockets & mortars.
dump...@hotmail.com
I wonder if the Army will buy this to replace the modified Phalanx
system that it
previously deployed to Iraq:
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001623.html
Does anyone know if the modified Phalanx has scored any kills so far?
Jim Yanik
news:1152843682....@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
whatever happened to that THEL that they were working on?
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jyanik
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Kevin Brooks
"Jim Yanik" <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns98005E1C82D...@129.250.170.85...
Uhmmm...that is what the Skyguard system was developed from (specifically
derived from the M-THEL). THEL was the testbed R&D effort.
Brooks
Rob Arndt
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/thel.htm
The Israeli demonstrator:
http://www.spacedaily.com/images/thel-laser-israel-bg.jpg
Rob
p.s. Australia's Metalstorm guns put the Phalanx system to shame. One
prototype fired 1,000,000 rpm with 36 barrels a long time ago. The
Metalstorm pistol prototype can fire multi-calibers at approx. 2-4,000
rpm. This is accomplished by controlled pre-set electric ignition of
caseless blocks of embedded rounds. Both the Australian and US Navies
have tried to develop the guns for shipboard anti-missile defense, but
I don't think such a system would be useful against primitive surface
to surface rockets with minimal flight time and a low trajectory.
Israeli repair teams are standing in the doorways of shops due to the
rockets flying literally above the tops of buildings before striking
nearby... and Israeli buildings aren't that tall either. If missiles
were detected incoming from Syria or Iran then this system might be
able to put up a wall of lead in their path from strategic locations...
but nothing is conclusive yet and Israel has expressed no interest in
this system- opting instead for an ABM system and laser developments.
Steve Hix
Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
According to the spacewar.com cite above, this is the outcome of THEL
development.
dump...@hotmail.com
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002583.html#comments
includes the following concerning Phalanx in Iraq:
"The WSJ says that "six batteries currently are deployed in Iraq." And
from the reports I've heard, the Phalanxes are performing rather well,
with several confirmed kills."
Can someone point me to a site (unclassified, of course) containing the
details of these
engagements?
Is this the first time Phalanx has been fired in anger?
Big Dummy
various borders with Lebanon etc. to shoot down Katshuska rockets instead of
bombing and escalating into major war over there?
BD
Rob Arndt
Because the purpose of the IDF action is to:
1) rescue their captured soldiers or at least prevent them from being
transported to Iran
2) eradicate Hezbollah completely from Lebanon
2a) counting on Syria to come to their aid so Israel can strike them
as well
2b) counting on Iran to join in the battle so Israel has a legit
pretext for attacking the Iranian reactor and "other" military targets
of opportunity there
Simply hiding behind a shield isn't winning the war against terror,
obliterating your enemy is...
Rob
Jim Yanik
news:G_gug.68270$Lm5....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
The systems have not yet reached the deployment stage of development.
http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_defense_story.jsp?id=news/LAS
E07136.xml
Big Dummy
"Rob Arndt" <B44Th...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> Simply hiding behind a shield isn't winning the war against terror,
> obliterating your enemy is...
"obliterating"? How many people in Lebanon are the enemy of Israel? How
many in Syria or Iran? If your answer is what I think it would be, good
luck. Thats a lot of muslims to kill.
The whole current situation seems like such a sad catastrophe, like a
kitchen fire getting out of control. I think this new Israeli government is
getting in over it's head quickly.
I feel terrible for all the people in Israel and Lebanon who have died
already and will die.
BD
Rob Arndt
Not to be disrespectful, but have you ever bothered to read a complete
history of the Arab-Israeli conflict? Secular or Biblical? This
"kitchen fire" has been burning for thousands of years over "which"
people are God's people. If Sarah (Abraham's wife) had just waited on
God's promise of a child (Isaac) instead of giving her Egyptian
handmaid to her husband for a child (Ishmael) then maybe we wouldn't
have Islam at all and the extremists who want to spread radical Islam
all over the globe in our millenium.
Rob
p.s. Will you feel sorry for all the millions or billions who will die
when this escalates into World War III? Israel is a very good contender
for being the first nation since the US to use a nuclear weapon. Iran
would be too except that they are just at the beginning of developing a
suitable weapon, let alone a reliable delivery system (apart from
suicide truck nuke). The Lebanese people are not anyone's enemy, but if
you allow your govt. to elect terrorists and have no real control over
your territory... then sorry, you become a target. Hezbollah hides
their weapons in neighborhood homes and schools. What are the Isrealis
supposed to do when they are getting hit by 100 missiles per day out of
those neighborhoods? Just sit and hide in a bunker? Stop being so weak.
It is just to stand for what is right. Israel fulfilled its obligations
by leaving Gaza and Lebanon only to be hit from those areas and have
their people abducted by terrorists. The US would not tolerate this so
why should Israel? Lebanon can help end the bombardment by simply
ordering its military into southern Lebanon and disarm Hezbollah... but
they can't because Hezbollah in in the Lebanese Govt. and it takes its
orders from Syria which in turn takes its orders from Tehran. I
wouldn't shed a single tear if Damascus and Tehran were wiped off the
map.
Big Dummy
"Rob Arndt" <B44Th...@aol.com> wrote in message
I
> wouldn't shed a single tear if Damascus and Tehran were wiped off the
> map.
>
Like Sodom and Gomoorah, these two cities I gather are completely lacking in
any innocent or good people then?
Thats awfully high stakes poker brother. Talk of annihilation of such vast
groups of people is extremely dangerous, and seems to be awfully strange for
supporters of Israel to be espousing. It comes across as fanatic,
heartless, narrow minded, and reactionary. It also limits the possible
reactions of anyone who is not a fellow true believer, you start to define
the rest of the world as either friend, or enemy to be annihilated.
A risky policy across the board. Look at the price paid by others who
thought in terms of such draconian 'solutions' With any luck, we may be in
Stalingrad by Winter. I would be wary of initiating such zero sum games.
The example of this recent attack on Lebanon is a good one. Not only are
most Lebanese particularly up north, are innocent, it is extremely doubtful
whether they could do anything about whats going on in the South of the
country whether they want to or not. It's like shooting at the windows of
your neighbors house because there are gangster hanging around in the alley
next to it. The people of Beriut, most of them, probably don't like
Hezbulla much more than the Israelis do. Now with every person who is
killed you are actually creating more terrorists and radicalizing more
people. What is better for Israel, a peaceful, prosperous French Riviera
Beriut, or the old Terrorist haven of the 1980's? They seem to be
exchanging the former for the latter.
BD
Rob Arndt
So, do you actually think the Iranians, Syrians, Palestinians, and
anti-Israeli terrorists (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc...) will shed a tear
if Haifa or Tel Aviv were nuked? Why no, they would be chanting in the
streets, giving gifts, and firing AK-47s into the air!
You really don't get the hatred in the middle east, do you? This has
been going on for thousands of years and the rhetoric of "kill the Jews
and the western imperialist zionist protector infidels" hasn't seemed
to sink in with you yet... how is that? It's spoken by them directly,
printed in their news, and embraced in their fanatical Islamic
religion.
And as much as your heart goes out to the dead on both sides, you Sir
are considered a target as well if you live in the West and/or support
Israel's BASIC RIGHT TO EXIST. Go to the Palis and Hezbollah and plead
your case- they would kill you in an instant.
That is reality and YES it hurts, but I would much rather eliminate
these anti-Israel and anti-US animals than to play diplomatic musical
chairs with them, which has made fools of the EU and UN over the past
couple of years. The war of East vs West and Islam vs
Judeo-Christianity is almost upon us. It may have even started just a
few days ago...
Nuclear disparity:
FOR US/ISRAEL:
US-10,000+
Israel- 400+
Europe/NATO- 800+
Total= 11,200+
AGAINST US/ISRAEL:
Russia- 15-25,000+
China- 450+
N Korea- 2-4+
Iran- 1+
Total= 15,453-25,455+
Think about that now that asymetrical terrorist warfare and terrorist
nuclear proliferation have obliterated the old strategy of MAD
Rob
Big Dummy
> anti-Israeli terrorists (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc...) will shed a tear
Some of them would, not all of them by any means. Thats where you have a
serious blind spot. Have you ever met anyone from Iran or Syria? I have.
They are not all crazed fanatics with Ak-47s. I have met many Muslims from
the Middle East who couldn't care less about Israel or any other politics,
but just want to make a living for themselves and their families.
> You really don't get the hatred in the middle east, do you? This has
> been going on for thousands of years and the rhetoric of "kill the Jews
> and the western imperialist zionist protector infidels" hasn't seemed
> to sink in with you yet... how is that? It's spoken by them directly,
> printed in their news, and embraced in their fanatical Islamic
> religion.
Are you claiming that ALL 1 billion Muslims are fanatics dead-set to destroy
all Jews?
I know the history of the Middle East quite well. I know for example our
trouble with Iran would be much less if we hadn't overthrown Mossadec and
put the Shah in power to begin with. If we hadn't been playing ball with
Iraq for years we would have had to consider them a threat either.
It's funny how we can act like Quaddafi is reformed all the sudden but we
can't even talk to the Persians.
> That is reality and YES it hurts, but I would much rather eliminate
> these anti-Israel and anti-US animals than to play diplomatic musical
Nobody is crying about killing any terrorists. I'm certainly not anyway.
But when you classify the entire populations of several major nations as
being "animals" who need to be eliminated you are talking crazy. Dangerous
crazy too because it gives credence to the fanatics in their ranks who are
trying to convince them that all Westerners or Israelis want to kill every
Muslim. Which is basically exactly what you are saying.
Again, thats a very dangerous zero sum game. Nobody wins, least of all
Israel.
> chairs with them, which has made fools of the EU and UN over the past
> couple of years. The war of East vs West and Islam vs
> Judeo-Christianity is almost upon us. It may have even started just a
> few days ago...
There is no war East vs West. We are pals with the Russians and even more
so with the Chinese (or haven't you been to Wal-Mart lately?)
The war is between the North and the Southern Hemisphere. The 1st world
against the 3rd world. And it's a no win war.
>
> Nuclear disparity:
(snip)
> Total= 15,453-25,455+
>
More crazy talk. How many nukes do you think they have to pop before the
world economy collapses?
BD