Il 21/02/2013 09:19, Daryl ha scritto:
>> I have a question for you: what is, in your worldview, the
>> difference between Muslim and Islamic ?
>
> Easy answer. There are sects of Islamist that want to reestablish the
> Caliphate and will use any means possible to do so. Most Muslims and
> Islamists want to reestablish The Caliphe in the Middle East, there is a
> few sects that want to create the Caliphate throughout the entire world
> and will use any and all methods available. Moderate Muslims don't want
> the Caliphate returned to power. It would be a very bloody world wide
> disaster and they support a more democratic government. The problem is,
> the Extremists only understand iron hands like the Ottomans used. the
> Romans NEVER had to face the extremist Islamics since their day was
> before Mohammed was born. But they did know how to handle things like
> that, didn't they. We need to learn from the History of what it's taken
> to contain this problem. Play by their own rules and kill them all.
> Convert from a Islamic War Participant or Die. and that goes for anyone
> harboring them as well.
Seems that you think that the islamists (moderate and extremists) are
the majority and the muslims the minority (aside that the positions on
the Caliphate isn't that great lithmus test...)
On the Romans, well, I suspect that I known a bit more than you, and I
noticed that you look only one side of the coin; the other is the
tolerance, respect and integration of the other cultures (we can call it
gluing together in a mosaic) but.. you not have learned all from
History: the vanquished people must get peace and prosperity after being
conquered, together with a modern infrastructure and on the horizon,
being part of the conqueror's society.
My lithmus test on muslim/islamic is their position on Sharia and civil
rights, because is the non-negotiable conditio sine qua non for being
integrated in the modern society. That is, accession to the United Europe.
If all goes well, in the exact centenary of the failure of the europe of
the nation, we will start the Constitutional Assembly (Monti's programme
for EU is that, giving Constitutional mandate to the next EU Parliament,
to be elected, June 2014 (whose imply starting their works in the late
July-early August '14, I pointed that Italians have an unique capability
of handling and using powerful symbols & symbolism) and after that,
sorry for the blunt words, integrating the muslim word into their
rightful place in the Western Civilization carrying with them, the
energy resource into an integrated energy/production system across the
Mediterrannean (that is, the third iteration of the Roman State....)
Obama seems to have noticed this pattern, in proposing during the State
of Union address, starting talks with the EU for an free trade agreement
(that is, getting advantageous condition while is still possible..)
>> Your words are interesting, and helpful. this night I have
>> fine-tuned my map of the next few months, in advance of my voting
>> this Sunday.
>>
>> the electoral results here isn't so in the dark as seems; little
>> here, little there, the picture emerges, and I have figured the
>> paths toward the most important post-electoral target (changing
>> the EU general election of June '14 into a constituitional
>> convention election) and the hard work to be done here quickly
>> and throughly (bringing back ASAP Italians into a more conscious
>> and proactive mindset, and being worth of the rather impegnative
>> roles looming ahead...)
>
> I wished I understood Italian. There are supposed to be some pretty
> funny cartoons about the people that are running for office in Italy.
> And I do know if it's bizarre in Italy then it's going to be hilarious
> here. You have much more fun elections than we do.
In the previous phases the electoral campaign is indeed fun (aside the
occasional night brawl, that is) but now is in the final and sour phase,
final canvassing here is along the "Pickett's charge" and/or "Custer's
last stand" lines, and this until midnight of Friday, in the saturday
prior of the election day no electoral activity is allowed (officially
the "day for pondering the vote to cast", but in reality, for an healthy
cooldown)...
What matters of the elections isn't the results, whose is predictable,
but the measuring of the actual work in reanimating that "comatose
girlfriend" (cit. of a recent US movie about Italy)